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(Salon)   Bostonian and noted author Dennis Lehane shares his thoughts on yesterday's tragic bombing: "Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"   (salon.com) divider line 143
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2013-04-16 11:52:30 AM  
Name one good thing about killing kids.
 
2013-04-16 11:53:43 AM  
Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.
 
2013-04-16 11:53:52 AM  

CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".


Why?
 
2013-04-16 11:54:11 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Not paying child support?


/runs
 
2013-04-16 11:54:57 AM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.


The cause is.....

Dogs with bangs
 
2013-04-16 11:56:06 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Name one good thing about killing  . . . anybody.

Diffculty: no Slingblade references.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:24 AM  
Like to see whoever did this strung up by his balls.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:00 AM  

unlikely: what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction


This is where I get hung up. The only result of a random civilian bombing is how it affects the emotional state. It doesn't strike at a system.

If you are fighting for the people you don't blow up the people. If you want to strike out at a system, you blow up something integral to the system, not a group of random people. That doesn't get any point across (despite the high profile). You yourself are standing here going "what's the point?". Exactly.

I can't go with the "but you can't understand the crazy". Not good enough. Unless this is a random mental case and has no real purpose.

/Without the message, the messenger is useless.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:02 AM  
I hate it when I read a sentence like, "Ten people, four of them children, were killed overnight when a missile slammed into..."

People use harm to kids to make rhetorical points about how bad or evil something is. To my mind, any innocent non-combatant life is as valuable as any other. Newswriters and journalists immediately latch on to any statistic involving children to make their piece seem more important, to make the violence seem more senseless. Sure, children deserve protection. They aren't able to defend themselves like adults can. It's why if there is some catastrophe you should try to help the kids first--they can't help themselves.

But after it's all said and done, their lives aren't any more important than the meter-maid, the banker, the barista, or the bricklayer. When people start getting all melodramatic about the kids it really turns me off. No matter if it was 20 kids who were killed or 20 seniors that were killed--it was still 20 people. When we start saying it's worse that one group of people was killed as opposed to this other group of people: we really need to slow down and think about what we're saying.

And before you start saying that I think it would be just as bad for 20 kids to be hurt as it would be for 20 death-row inmates--stop. I'm not saying that. I don't believe that. I'm talking about regular people leading normal lives, not killers.

Maybe even I need to stop and think about what I'm saying...
 
2013-04-16 11:58:46 AM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Agreed. This is what I was trying to say, just not quite as succinctly.
 
2013-04-16 11:58:48 AM  

Rich Cream: I can't go with the "but you can't understand the crazy". Not good enough. Unless this is a random mental case and has no real purpose.

/Without the message, the messenger is useless.


www.buzzpirates.com
 
2013-04-16 11:58:52 AM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.
 
2013-04-16 11:59:07 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Quiet on the redeye flight.
 
2013-04-16 12:02:01 PM  

strapp3r: we're all just kids

/older
//wiser
///dumber
////kids


You're close to a haiku there
 
2013-04-16 12:02:43 PM  
It was the Power Walker's Association... they HATE runners!
 
2013-04-16 12:04:41 PM  

Ned Stark: computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.

This.


The sad thing here is we're in a thread about 2 bombs that went off in Boston, probably by some loner MIT student who is mad about Aaron Swartz, and people are rationalizing/berating the root cause of their fear of people from the opposite side of the planet.
 
2013-04-16 12:05:45 PM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Grieving moms in those hot tight black mourning dresses.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".

Why?


Because it involves a frightening level of disconnection with humanity, at least IMO, and I'm no psychologist. I mean, you really can't 'punish' that kind of people, because they seem to feel nothing, kind of like this guy.
 
2013-04-16 12:08:33 PM  

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


The last country that went around bullying the world got its ass handed to it. Should we expect anything different? I am thinking that it was more along the lines of a sociopath than an organisation
 
2013-04-16 12:11:32 PM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other?.


A child is yet to experience things, and adult already has, by definition.
 
2013-04-16 12:13:25 PM  
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"
A statement which many people would agree with, until they find out that the cause in question is one they agree with.
 
2013-04-16 12:14:14 PM  

FarkinHostile: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.


That was the thought I had. 20 senior citizens at the end phase of their life have lived through all the stages. Anything they missed out on doing was due to choices they made. 20 kids just beginning their life haven't had the chances to make those choices. Plus people grieve for an adult family member who is killed one way, but when it is a child the parents (if they aren't the ones that killed him/her) are broken afterwards. Its not just the child who passes that I see as more sad, it is the pain that their family goes through. The guilt of not protecting them enough (even if that guilt is wrong and nothing could be done)

Maybe it is because I have small kids and the idea scares the shiat out of me. That is probably why the news uses that angle. They know it scares the crap out of parents.
 
2013-04-16 12:14:49 PM  
He better avoid that third Hunger games movie.
 
2013-04-16 12:15:04 PM  

Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.


www.topgear.com

The Belgiums. I'm blaming the Belgiums.
 
2013-04-16 12:15:44 PM  
One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."
 
2013-04-16 12:19:32 PM  
CygnusDarius:  wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other?.
A child is yet to experience things, and adult already has, by definition.


Which don't matter to a Libertarian.  Note that they are the ones that like to say "why are we treating a child's life differently than an adult's life".
 
2013-04-16 12:20:34 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: I hate it when I read a sentence like, "Ten people, four of them children, were killed overnight when a missile slammed into..."

People use harm to kids to make rhetorical points about how bad or evil something is. To my mind, any innocent non-combatant life is as valuable as any other.


I do look forward to the headline "TEN ASSHATS KILLED IN TERROR ATTACK".
 
2013-04-16 12:21:57 PM  
So you're saying God is cool with it?
 
2013-04-16 12:24:28 PM  

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Or pre-meditated illegal wars?
 
2013-04-16 12:26:57 PM  
We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.
 
2013-04-16 12:28:30 PM  

Brigandaca: One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."


Oh great, now there's going to be an internet outrage, and people will burn ABBA CD's and picket outside theaters hosting stage productions of Mamma Mia!
 
2013-04-16 12:30:45 PM  
The 8 year old boy in question...  This is the story I heard...

His father had just crossed the finish line, and he ran out to hug him.  On his way back the bomb went off.  He was killed by shrapnel, his sister lost a leg, and his mother is in the hospital with possible brain damage.

And that's just one family that got wrecked.  That's a said state of things.

Are these people's lives more important than any others?  I supposed that is a subjective opinion, unless you go to the extreme of, "it would have been much better if it happened to the Gov't of North Korea.

I have no point to make here.  I just wanted to make everyone sad.
 
2013-04-16 12:31:41 PM  

ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.


War. War never changes...
 
2013-04-16 12:33:22 PM  

CarnySaur: Brigandaca: One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."

Oh great, now there's going to be an internet outrage, and people will burn ABBA CD's and picket outside theaters hosting stage productions of Mamma Mia!


You needed another reason to destroy ABBA CDs other than their shiatty music?.
 
2013-04-16 12:36:59 PM  

durbnpoisn: The 8 year old boy in question...  This is the story I heard...

His father had just crossed the finish line, and he ran out to hug him.  On his way back the bomb went off.  He was killed by shrapnel, his sister lost a leg, and his mother is in the hospital with possible brain damage.

And that's just one family that got wrecked.  That's a said state of things.

Are these people's lives more important than any others?  I supposed that is a subjective opinion, unless you go to the extreme of, "it would have been much better if it happened to the Gov't of North Korea.

I have no point to make here.  I just wanted to make everyone sad.


Mission accomplished.
 
2013-04-16 12:38:07 PM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.


I'm waiting for the bombing to be motivated by "Christianity."  People saying things like this make me really want to see them have to eat crow when they find out that "Christians" did this.  As a point of reference I'm including Westboro, and Mormons in my definition of Christian here.

This really is a tragedy.  I hope they do catch whoever did it, and throw him in jail for a long time.  Advocating his execution would make me no better than him.

I also find it interesting that we're all pretty much assuming it's a man, could be a woman.  Statistics say male tho.   :(
 
2013-04-16 12:38:19 PM  

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


Those don't count as bad because they were approved by God himself. And by God I mean the white one of course.
 
2013-04-16 12:39:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...


Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.
 
2013-04-16 12:39:30 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


No, he wrote Shutter Island & similar books. I'm currently reading "Live By Night," which is about rum running from Florida to Boston during Prohibition.
 
2013-04-16 12:40:13 PM  
 CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...

Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.


forgot a few zeroes - that's 6,973,000,000
 
2013-04-16 12:42:56 PM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


It saves American lives? Ask Harry Truman about the kids of Hiroshima.
 
2013-04-16 12:44:23 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...

Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.


I was quoting Fallout, but ok.
 
2013-04-16 12:59:19 PM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.


Reminds me of how blinded by rage and yet how I recognized no one should act on similar impulses right after 9/11. Good on you for wanting a moment to breath before talking about doing something in response to this.
 
2013-04-16 12:59:25 PM  

PapaChester: My money is on white extremists.


I'll consider it. What's the bet and what are the odds?
 
2013-04-16 01:06:07 PM  
I have to disagree with the blanket idea that a child is more precious than a senior.
If I am in a burning building with a kid and Steven Hawking I really hope that kid can run.
It is BECAUSE of the fact that Hawking has lived and has more life experience that I would choose to save him.
Not a troll. Also not a popular sentiment.
 
2013-04-16 01:06:16 PM  

HAMMERTOE: This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.

Beat me to it. Don't see too many adults being aborted these days.


Nor do you see any children being aborted.  It's all fetuses.

/seriously, can we keep the abortion wharrgarbl in the abortion threads?
 
2013-04-16 01:08:47 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


That was my first reaction, too. Lehaye and Lehane are a bit too close.
 
2013-04-16 01:13:11 PM  
"Any cause which kills kids is a pestilence".

Oh, I'm sure the anti-abortion crowd won't try to make political points from that. Nuh uh. Nosirree.
 
2013-04-16 01:15:44 PM  

gunsmack: Damn, thought it said Denis Leary. Was looking for some funny.


I only now realized that it did not.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-04-16 01:30:47 PM  

wambu: Name one good thing about killing . . . anybody.


Because it's better than what's on TV?
 
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