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(Salon)   Bostonian and noted author Dennis Lehane shares his thoughts on yesterday's tragic bombing: "Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"   (salon.com) divider line 143
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2013-04-16 10:13:21 AM  
I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:45 AM  
More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.
 
2013-04-16 11:04:37 AM  
I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.
 
2013-04-16 11:09:37 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I wouldn't go that far. I am pretty fond of the cause, "The Continued Existence of Gil Gigamesh" and would like to think that I would kill, if absolutely necessary, to further that cause.
 
2013-04-16 11:14:33 AM  

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

I wouldn't go that far. I am pretty fond of the cause, "The Continued Existence of Gil Gigamesh" and would like to think that I would kill, if absolutely necessary, to further that cause.


Hey, that's a personal cause. And I have no problems with personal causes as long as your cause doesn't fark up my cause and vice versa.
 
2013-04-16 11:18:20 AM  
Including drone attacks?
 
2013-04-16 11:19:03 AM  
Oh gosh what an, er...bold statement?
 
2013-04-16 11:19:59 AM  
Damn, thought it said Denis Leary. Was looking for some funny.
 
2013-04-16 11:20:51 AM  
So... I assume he's pro-life.
 
2013-04-16 11:20:58 AM  
Wait so now we can't blow up kids with drone strikes? Man i'm really confused...
 
2013-04-16 11:21:22 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:06 AM  

Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.


I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:24 AM  

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


Beat me to it. Don't see too many adults being aborted these days.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:41 AM  
What happened was terrible, but the author is being simplistic. Every war ever has killed kids. A bombing campaign or artillery strike may not intentionally target kids but everyone knows they'll, at some point or other, be caught in it.

I am not condoning and I have no solutions either. I am just saying.
 
2013-04-16 11:24:15 AM  

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


can u not
 
2013-04-16 11:25:00 AM  
It's ok when WE do it, though.

You know how many children have been killed in Afghanistan by us? Just collateral damage. Eh, I'm sure a little cognitive dissidence goes a long way with this topic.

/Jesus Wept
 
2013-04-16 11:25:15 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


Killing Nazis was a good thing.  Or are you trying to tell us something?
 
2013-04-16 11:25:15 AM  

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Well we did just take out a house full of people before the bombing, awkward.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:58 AM  

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Not drone attacks.

Or any attacks initiated by the US of A.

God is on our side.

They hate us for our freedoms.

We will not back down in the Global War on Terrorism(GWoT).

Stuff happens.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:58 AM  
What if all the kids killed by my cause are Hitler?
 
2013-04-16 11:27:09 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I know what you mean and I agree but the US military has killed a lot of people in recent years. Is America a pestilence? Many people around the world would say yes. Everything is relative.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:22 AM  
My money is on white extremists.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:51 AM  
I just think an author could have used a better word than pestilence, which is a word most commonly associated with disease and infection.

perhaps I'm just picky
perhaps I should just look at the core of what he is saying

/but it doesn't take an author to say 'It bad.....It very very bad'
 
2013-04-16 11:28:14 AM  

Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.


Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Rahm Emmanuel
 
2013-04-16 11:28:55 AM  

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.
 
2013-04-16 11:29:17 AM  

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That was more to combat other causes that were infringing on causes that wouldn't affect anyone. American Revolution was to combat the cause of forcing religion/taxes on people. Civil War was to combat the idealogical cause that blacks were slaves and states were independent of a nation. WW1/2 are obvious.

War is a necessity at times, I won't dispute that. But the senseless killing for a cause is what I'm talking about. If it had only been adults that died yesterday, it would still be a pestilence.

And I know my initial post didn't say that and I apologize for that.
 
2013-04-16 11:30:42 AM  
Wow...the Adweek headline is science fiction writing at its finest. I wonder when people will stop saying that Huxley and Orwell are satire and start treating their books like the straightforward blueprints for the 21st century. Will the current generation of highschoolers even know they were satire, once? In fact, Adweek's response used to be considered the propaganda of fascism. I really, really hope the abreaction in salon.com and places like Fark makes the copy writers for Adweek write less cynically in the future.
 
2013-04-16 11:30:56 AM  
I get what he was saying. But that was a poorly written piece of crap. Take more time to collect your thoughts, please.
 
2013-04-16 11:32:13 AM  
Is he the guy that wrote Mystic Pizza?
 
2013-04-16 11:32:33 AM  

Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.


Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/
 
2013-04-16 11:33:16 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


this
 
2013-04-16 11:33:56 AM  
we're all just kids

/older
//wiser
///dumber
////kids
 
2013-04-16 11:34:54 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


Tell a Libyan.
 
2013-04-16 11:35:07 AM  
I take comfort knowing that one person, or perhaps a few, caused this horrible event.

But hundreds ran into danger to help.  Thousands more provided material aid.  And millions are demanding the people responsible be brought to justice.

We out number the bad guys.  They can't win.
 
2013-04-16 11:35:55 AM  

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


The bomber? Yeah, probably.
 
2013-04-16 11:38:00 AM  

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


AMerican revolu

Dr. Manhattan: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.


No, let me try!  I can be more pedantic!

American Revolution (cause was freedom)

The cause was taxation; plantation owners such as Washington didn't want to waste money propping up the Crown.  Immediately after war, the winning team proceeded to levy their own high taxes and violently suppress objections.  I'm not sure nebulous things like 'freedom' ever count as causes, since everyone always considers themselves in favor of them.

Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)

Slavery was a hot topic, but to ignore the economic interests just because the railway lobby hitched their wagon to abolitionism is ridiculous.  " If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" -- Lincoln
 
2013-04-16 11:41:35 AM  
Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?
 
2013-04-16 11:43:31 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


The part I fear is that no matter who did it, doesn't matter if it was domestic or foreign, a group or a lone nut, is that we could be facing another round of post 9/11 changes.  TSA style security at sporting events and concerts.  Lists of people who can't attend large functions similar to a no fly list, more security cameras, more stuff that erodes our freedoms, gets in our way, takes away privacy, and in the long run does nothing.

If I ever wanted to make sure that women never again carried around purses, I'd buy a bunch of knock off Louis Vitton purses, put my explosives into them, sew them shut and pay a bunch of women $50 to walk around a crowded area with them, let everyone get a good look at those purses and then blow them all up.  When the government receives the report explaining that all the explosives were in purses, the first step will be no more purses in crowded areas that aren't see thru, followed by the same rule for back packs and shopping bags.
 
2013-04-16 11:44:31 AM  
Meh, there are crazy people in every organization of over 1 person.
 
2013-04-16 11:45:27 AM  

Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.


Same. Not ideology, just plain not putting thousands of soldiers and non-combatants at risk.
 
2013-04-16 11:45:59 AM  

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


depends on who the drones are attacking
 
2013-04-16 11:46:46 AM  
What if your cause is the killing of children?
 
2013-04-16 11:47:13 AM  
The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".
 
2013-04-16 11:47:41 AM  
So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.
 
2013-04-16 11:47:47 AM  
Um, the problem with terrorism is not the cause it is the means to advance the cause. You can find people using violence to promote any cause, or no cause. (think Columbine -- or Aurora?)
 
2013-04-16 11:47:48 AM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Meh, there are crazy people in every organization of over 1 person.


I'm an organization of one and I'm crazy. Not that crazy, but still crazy.
 
2013-04-16 11:48:41 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


Lol that was my first thought too.
 
2013-04-16 11:50:36 AM  
I hope we get thrown a curve ball and it ends up being Cobra
 
2013-04-16 11:51:35 AM  
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"

So, all of them?
 
2013-04-16 11:51:51 AM  

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


This.
 
2013-04-16 11:52:30 AM  
Name one good thing about killing kids.
 
2013-04-16 11:53:43 AM  
Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.
 
2013-04-16 11:53:52 AM  

CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".


Why?
 
2013-04-16 11:54:11 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Not paying child support?


/runs
 
2013-04-16 11:54:57 AM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.


The cause is.....

Dogs with bangs
 
2013-04-16 11:56:06 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Name one good thing about killing  . . . anybody.

Diffculty: no Slingblade references.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:24 AM  
Like to see whoever did this strung up by his balls.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:00 AM  

unlikely: what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction


This is where I get hung up. The only result of a random civilian bombing is how it affects the emotional state. It doesn't strike at a system.

If you are fighting for the people you don't blow up the people. If you want to strike out at a system, you blow up something integral to the system, not a group of random people. That doesn't get any point across (despite the high profile). You yourself are standing here going "what's the point?". Exactly.

I can't go with the "but you can't understand the crazy". Not good enough. Unless this is a random mental case and has no real purpose.

/Without the message, the messenger is useless.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:02 AM  
I hate it when I read a sentence like, "Ten people, four of them children, were killed overnight when a missile slammed into..."

People use harm to kids to make rhetorical points about how bad or evil something is. To my mind, any innocent non-combatant life is as valuable as any other. Newswriters and journalists immediately latch on to any statistic involving children to make their piece seem more important, to make the violence seem more senseless. Sure, children deserve protection. They aren't able to defend themselves like adults can. It's why if there is some catastrophe you should try to help the kids first--they can't help themselves.

But after it's all said and done, their lives aren't any more important than the meter-maid, the banker, the barista, or the bricklayer. When people start getting all melodramatic about the kids it really turns me off. No matter if it was 20 kids who were killed or 20 seniors that were killed--it was still 20 people. When we start saying it's worse that one group of people was killed as opposed to this other group of people: we really need to slow down and think about what we're saying.

And before you start saying that I think it would be just as bad for 20 kids to be hurt as it would be for 20 death-row inmates--stop. I'm not saying that. I don't believe that. I'm talking about regular people leading normal lives, not killers.

Maybe even I need to stop and think about what I'm saying...
 
2013-04-16 11:58:46 AM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Agreed. This is what I was trying to say, just not quite as succinctly.
 
2013-04-16 11:58:48 AM  

Rich Cream: I can't go with the "but you can't understand the crazy". Not good enough. Unless this is a random mental case and has no real purpose.

/Without the message, the messenger is useless.


www.buzzpirates.com
 
2013-04-16 11:58:52 AM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.
 
2013-04-16 11:59:07 AM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Quiet on the redeye flight.
 
2013-04-16 12:02:01 PM  

strapp3r: we're all just kids

/older
//wiser
///dumber
////kids


You're close to a haiku there
 
2013-04-16 12:02:43 PM  
It was the Power Walker's Association... they HATE runners!
 
2013-04-16 12:04:41 PM  

Ned Stark: computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.

This.


The sad thing here is we're in a thread about 2 bombs that went off in Boston, probably by some loner MIT student who is mad about Aaron Swartz, and people are rationalizing/berating the root cause of their fear of people from the opposite side of the planet.
 
2013-04-16 12:05:45 PM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


Grieving moms in those hot tight black mourning dresses.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".

Why?


Because it involves a frightening level of disconnection with humanity, at least IMO, and I'm no psychologist. I mean, you really can't 'punish' that kind of people, because they seem to feel nothing, kind of like this guy.
 
2013-04-16 12:08:33 PM  

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


The last country that went around bullying the world got its ass handed to it. Should we expect anything different? I am thinking that it was more along the lines of a sociopath than an organisation
 
2013-04-16 12:11:32 PM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other?.


A child is yet to experience things, and adult already has, by definition.
 
2013-04-16 12:13:25 PM  
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"
A statement which many people would agree with, until they find out that the cause in question is one they agree with.
 
2013-04-16 12:14:14 PM  

FarkinHostile: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.


That was the thought I had. 20 senior citizens at the end phase of their life have lived through all the stages. Anything they missed out on doing was due to choices they made. 20 kids just beginning their life haven't had the chances to make those choices. Plus people grieve for an adult family member who is killed one way, but when it is a child the parents (if they aren't the ones that killed him/her) are broken afterwards. Its not just the child who passes that I see as more sad, it is the pain that their family goes through. The guilt of not protecting them enough (even if that guilt is wrong and nothing could be done)

Maybe it is because I have small kids and the idea scares the shiat out of me. That is probably why the news uses that angle. They know it scares the crap out of parents.
 
2013-04-16 12:14:49 PM  
He better avoid that third Hunger games movie.
 
2013-04-16 12:15:04 PM  

Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.


www.topgear.com

The Belgiums. I'm blaming the Belgiums.
 
2013-04-16 12:15:44 PM  
One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."
 
2013-04-16 12:19:32 PM  
CygnusDarius:  wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other?.
A child is yet to experience things, and adult already has, by definition.


Which don't matter to a Libertarian.  Note that they are the ones that like to say "why are we treating a child's life differently than an adult's life".
 
2013-04-16 12:20:34 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: I hate it when I read a sentence like, "Ten people, four of them children, were killed overnight when a missile slammed into..."

People use harm to kids to make rhetorical points about how bad or evil something is. To my mind, any innocent non-combatant life is as valuable as any other.


I do look forward to the headline "TEN ASSHATS KILLED IN TERROR ATTACK".
 
2013-04-16 12:21:57 PM  
So you're saying God is cool with it?
 
2013-04-16 12:24:28 PM  

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Or pre-meditated illegal wars?
 
2013-04-16 12:26:57 PM  
We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.
 
2013-04-16 12:28:30 PM  

Brigandaca: One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."


Oh great, now there's going to be an internet outrage, and people will burn ABBA CD's and picket outside theaters hosting stage productions of Mamma Mia!
 
2013-04-16 12:30:45 PM  
The 8 year old boy in question...  This is the story I heard...

His father had just crossed the finish line, and he ran out to hug him.  On his way back the bomb went off.  He was killed by shrapnel, his sister lost a leg, and his mother is in the hospital with possible brain damage.

And that's just one family that got wrecked.  That's a said state of things.

Are these people's lives more important than any others?  I supposed that is a subjective opinion, unless you go to the extreme of, "it would have been much better if it happened to the Gov't of North Korea.

I have no point to make here.  I just wanted to make everyone sad.
 
2013-04-16 12:31:41 PM  

ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.


War. War never changes...
 
2013-04-16 12:33:22 PM  

CarnySaur: Brigandaca: One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."

Oh great, now there's going to be an internet outrage, and people will burn ABBA CD's and picket outside theaters hosting stage productions of Mamma Mia!


You needed another reason to destroy ABBA CDs other than their shiatty music?.
 
2013-04-16 12:36:59 PM  

durbnpoisn: The 8 year old boy in question...  This is the story I heard...

His father had just crossed the finish line, and he ran out to hug him.  On his way back the bomb went off.  He was killed by shrapnel, his sister lost a leg, and his mother is in the hospital with possible brain damage.

And that's just one family that got wrecked.  That's a said state of things.

Are these people's lives more important than any others?  I supposed that is a subjective opinion, unless you go to the extreme of, "it would have been much better if it happened to the Gov't of North Korea.

I have no point to make here.  I just wanted to make everyone sad.


Mission accomplished.
 
2013-04-16 12:38:07 PM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.


I'm waiting for the bombing to be motivated by "Christianity."  People saying things like this make me really want to see them have to eat crow when they find out that "Christians" did this.  As a point of reference I'm including Westboro, and Mormons in my definition of Christian here.

This really is a tragedy.  I hope they do catch whoever did it, and throw him in jail for a long time.  Advocating his execution would make me no better than him.

I also find it interesting that we're all pretty much assuming it's a man, could be a woman.  Statistics say male tho.   :(
 
2013-04-16 12:38:19 PM  

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


Those don't count as bad because they were approved by God himself. And by God I mean the white one of course.
 
2013-04-16 12:39:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...


Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.
 
2013-04-16 12:39:30 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


No, he wrote Shutter Island & similar books. I'm currently reading "Live By Night," which is about rum running from Florida to Boston during Prohibition.
 
2013-04-16 12:40:13 PM  
 CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...

Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.


forgot a few zeroes - that's 6,973,000,000
 
2013-04-16 12:42:56 PM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


It saves American lives? Ask Harry Truman about the kids of Hiroshima.
 
2013-04-16 12:44:23 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: CygnusDarius: ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.

War. War never changes...

Are you two fighting in a war?  I'm not fighting in a war.  I'm pretty sure about 6,973,000 of us are pretty good people while maybe 100,000 are violent attention whores.  I like our odds.


I was quoting Fallout, but ok.
 
2013-04-16 12:59:19 PM  

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.


Reminds me of how blinded by rage and yet how I recognized no one should act on similar impulses right after 9/11. Good on you for wanting a moment to breath before talking about doing something in response to this.
 
2013-04-16 12:59:25 PM  

PapaChester: My money is on white extremists.


I'll consider it. What's the bet and what are the odds?
 
2013-04-16 01:06:07 PM  
I have to disagree with the blanket idea that a child is more precious than a senior.
If I am in a burning building with a kid and Steven Hawking I really hope that kid can run.
It is BECAUSE of the fact that Hawking has lived and has more life experience that I would choose to save him.
Not a troll. Also not a popular sentiment.
 
2013-04-16 01:06:16 PM  

HAMMERTOE: This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.

Beat me to it. Don't see too many adults being aborted these days.


Nor do you see any children being aborted.  It's all fetuses.

/seriously, can we keep the abortion wharrgarbl in the abortion threads?
 
2013-04-16 01:08:47 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


That was my first reaction, too. Lehaye and Lehane are a bit too close.
 
2013-04-16 01:13:11 PM  
"Any cause which kills kids is a pestilence".

Oh, I'm sure the anti-abortion crowd won't try to make political points from that. Nuh uh. Nosirree.
 
2013-04-16 01:15:44 PM  

gunsmack: Damn, thought it said Denis Leary. Was looking for some funny.


I only now realized that it did not.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-04-16 01:30:47 PM  

wambu: Name one good thing about killing . . . anybody.


Because it's better than what's on TV?
 
2013-04-16 01:30:55 PM  
No cause? What about raising awareness of breast cancer? Everyone knows that anything is good and noble if it's to raise awareness of breast cancer.
 
2013-04-16 01:33:06 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: What if all the kids killed by my cause are Hitler?


Then Germany wins WWII -- you monster.
 
2013-04-16 01:34:04 PM  

FarkinHostile: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.


So there's like a checklist and as you check off life experiences your life becomes worth less? I haven't been married or had kids yet. So is my life worth more than the guy's next door who has 4 kids and 2 grandkids? I get what you're trying to say (and I have really thought about it). I just can't get to that place.

I just don't think it is my place to say whether one life is worth more than another. I believe the life of someone who is willing to take other's lives to further their own (or for whatever nefarious reason) is worth less than someone's who is not willing to kill--but that's about as far as I am willing to go.
 
2013-04-16 01:43:35 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

That was more to combat other causes that were infringing on causes that wouldn't affect anyone. American Revolution was to combat the cause of forcing religion/taxes on people. Civil War was to combat the idealogical cause that blacks were slaves and states were independent of a nation. WW1/2 are obvious.

War is a necessity at times, I won't dispute that. But the senseless killing for a cause is what I'm talking about. If it had only been adults that died yesterday, it would still be a pestilence.

And I know my initial post didn't say that and I apologize for that.


I forget who said it, but it applies.  "War is a terrible thing, but it isn't the worse thing."
 
2013-04-16 01:45:24 PM  
I just want to know where the "Special" demarcation point.At what age do you get the "You're no longer special and your life is now worth less." birthday party?
 
2013-04-16 01:49:59 PM  

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


I get where you are going with this, however, if those coutnries really don't want us there all they have to do is tell us to leave.
 
2013-04-16 01:57:05 PM  

Latinwolf: CygnusDarius:  wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other?.
A child is yet to experience things, and adult already has, by definition.

Which don't matter to a Libertarian.  Note that they are the ones that like to say "why are we treating a child's life differently than an adult's life".


This has nothing to do with how society treats or values a child's life. We offer extra protection to children because they are vulnerable and immature, not because they are more valuable. If anything, they may be considered the least valuable members. They contribute nothing while young, require out-of-proportion rsources and are easily and quickly replaced. Contrast this with older people who take years of time and massive resources to replace with someone of comparable skills and education. But I digress . . .

It's a sad commentary on our character that we view children's lives as "precious" and old people's lives a "disposable" or "used up".

Any death is a human tragedy. Violent, senseless death even more so. But it should not serve as justification for stepping over some imaginary line drawn in the sands of  wharrgarbl-esque behavior allowing us to ratchet up our perceived indignation and outrage. We shoudl be sufficiently outraged enough at the callous, cowardly act itself and the monster(s) that perpetrated it.

All life is precious. All people contribute to society, no matter what their age.
 

To think differently is to diminish the value of all human life, which is what Lehane is doing. He should be ashamed, but in reading TFA, it appears he has no shame.
 
2013-04-16 02:15:29 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: So there's like a checklist and as you check off life experiences your life becomes worth less?


I said I find it more tragic when a child dies, not that they are "worth" more. More emotionally "stimulating" if you will. When I read the obits and I see say a 20 year old die, I think it's sadder than a 85 year old just because of how much I have lived since I was 20 myself. If I were to die right now, I can say I've had a pretty good life, so its less tragic. A child? Not so much.

Just my opinion, and I can see the counter point.
 
2013-04-16 02:18:11 PM  

abu ponster: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

AMerican revoluDr. Manhattan: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.

No, let me try!  I can be more pedantic!

American Revolution (cause was freedom)

The cause was taxation; plantation owners such as Washington didn't want to waste money propping up the Crown.  Immediately after war, the winning team proceeded to levy their own high taxes and violently suppress objections.  I'm not sure nebulous things like 'freedom' ever count as causes, since everyone always considers themselves in favor of them.

Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)

Slavery was a hot topic, but to ignore the economic interests just because the railway lobby hitched their wagon to abolitionism is ridiculous.  " If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" -- Lincoln


Slaves were a economic interest. Lincoln didn't save the Union without freeing the slaves.
 
2013-04-16 02:25:50 PM  

Luse: I just want to know where the "Special" demarcation point.At what age do you get the "You're no longer special and your life is now worth less." birthday party?


Junior High School. Kids definitely become worth less once they go into Junior High. All parents (and Junior High teachers) know this.
 
2013-04-16 02:30:05 PM  

missiv: abu ponster: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

AMerican revoluDr. Manhattan: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.

No, let me try!  I can be more pedantic!

American Revolution (cause was freedom)

The cause was taxation; plantation owners such as Washington didn't want to waste money propping up the Crown.  Immediately after war, the winning team proceeded to levy their own high taxes and violently suppress objections.  I'm not sure nebulous things like 'freedom' ever count as causes, since everyone always considers themselves in favor of them.

Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)

Slavery was a hot topic, but to ignore the economic interests just because the railway lobby hitched their wagon to abolitionism is ridiculous.  " If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" -- Lincoln

Slaves were a economic interest. Lincoln didn't save the Union without freeing the slaves.


Because it was more politically convenient to do so. Indeed, the proclamation freeing them even exempted northern states and any southern states that would immediately rejoin the union(none did)

Unionists were certainly worthy of support from abolitionists as a tool against the slave holders(and indeed, history bears out that support as having been a good bet.) But to ascribe an abolitionary motive to the government of the time is delusional.
 
2013-04-16 02:30:11 PM  

CygnusDarius: Debeo Summa Credo: CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".

Why?

Because it involves a frightening level of disconnection with humanity, at least IMO, and I'm no psychologist. I mean, you really can't 'punish' that kind of people, because they seem to feel nothing, kind of like this guy.


Cant punish them? Sure you can.
give em the black knight treatment. Let em live like that.
they know why theyve been punished.
understanding why? Who cares
 
2013-04-16 02:31:54 PM  
What if your cause is pro-choice??
 
2013-04-16 02:37:40 PM  

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


They wont turn into teenagers.

Stil waiting for a group to claim responsibility. Whats the point of doing this big public bombing and not taking credit, unless your just some crazy person.
 
2013-04-16 02:40:33 PM  

groppet: neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.

They wont turn into teenagers.

Stil waiting for a group to claim responsibility. Whats the point of doing this big public bombing and not taking credit, unless your just some crazy person.


Could just be straight up letting their actions sleek. Dunno who would specifically want to bring down marathons. Radical fat people?
 
2013-04-16 02:42:03 PM  
The pursuit of freedom and democracy kills kids. At least the American version of it. Does that make freedom a pestilence?
 
2013-04-16 02:44:04 PM  

amoral: The pursuit of freedom and democracy kills kids. At least the American version of it. Does that make freedom a pestilence?


At least the American version of it.
 
2013-04-16 02:52:14 PM  

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


A child is more "innocent," to use a cliche but relatively true statement....they don't have the prejudices, political or religious views of adults...they are weaker and have very little say as they are still developing their minds. It is a base human instinct to protect children as they are our next generation and therefore our future...when they die we have failed them and ourselves.
 
2013-04-16 02:55:31 PM  

Ned Stark: neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.

Quiet on the redeye flight.


I guess there's that.

/lulz...c u in hell
 
2013-04-16 03:25:46 PM  
Abortion is a pestilence? Here i though it was just another necessary evil.
 
2013-04-16 03:28:23 PM  

Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.


Wow, just.... wow
 
2013-04-16 03:35:37 PM  

Joe Blowme: Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.

Wow, just.... wow


Woweee jeapers by golly.
 
2013-04-16 03:35:54 PM  
The man has strong feelings about young goats, and that's saying something...
 
2013-04-16 03:40:03 PM  
Dennis may want to have a chat with his congressperson and / or the President of the United States.

If we apply our own definitions of militant (any male between 15 - 40) hit yesterday in the blast. How many would that be ?

Madeline Albright when asked about the 100,000 Iraqi children killed in the first gulf war to fighting and sanctions, replied that she and the admin thought it was worth it.

When we kill a family on their way to a wedding or whatever we just say whoops, didn't mean it.
 
2013-04-16 03:41:13 PM  
Wonder if that includes abortion..
 
2013-04-16 03:42:15 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-04-16 03:45:27 PM  

ficklefkrfark: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

A child is more "innocent," to use a cliche but relatively true statement....they don't have the prejudices, political or religious views of adults...they are weaker and have very little say as they are still developing their minds. It is a base human instinct to protect children as they are our next generation and therefore our future...when they die we have failed them and ourselves.


Basic instinct? Hardly. Look up Sparta. Read up on Vlad Tepes. Look up the reason even the enlightened US needed laws to say its bad for a kid to work in a factory.
Modern day mothers strap explosive vests on their sons.
Id say your very premise is at least debatable.

The rest are emotional points.
Simply put, you are placing a greater value on some lives therefore by default giving less value to adult lives.
Ive heard of people and governme ts doing the same, only with different criteria.
Most of the civilized world calls that kind of thought pattern "evil".
 
2013-04-16 03:46:00 PM  
www.fpp.co.uk

What a dumbass.  How many cute, blonde, children got killed in Dresden, Munich, Berlin etc. stopping Hitler?  Was it worth it?  I'll leave that for history to answer.
 
2013-04-16 03:48:52 PM  

gunsmack: Damn, thought it said Denis Leary. Was looking for some funny.


I don't know if Bill Hicks ever commented on terrorism...maybe Leary's looking through his stuff right now so he can issue a statement.
 
2013-04-16 03:52:56 PM  

groppet: neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.

They wont turn into teenagers.

Stil waiting for a group to claim responsibility. Whats the point of doing this big public bombing and not taking credit, unless your just some crazy person.


That is what I find oddly interesting about this.  No one has taken responsibility for it.  No group has said that it was done for their religious or political beliefs.  This is why I am really thinking it's someone, or a group of people, who just wants to see the world burn.  No message, no beliefs, no ransom, just blow shiat up because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-04-16 04:18:33 PM  
thecripplegate.com
 
2013-04-16 04:29:34 PM  
With terrorism, the cause doesn't matter. Not quite sure why people can't get that through their empty heads, especially after seeing Die Hard.

To ask the cause invites propaganda. To believe it results in anything from a lynchmob to global thermonuclear war, all depending on what agendas are being advanced

Ask instead what motivated the person to do the action, however, and the real culprit tends to reveal itself after asking "why" around 5 times.

/Protip: the final answer is never religion.
 
2013-04-16 04:31:46 PM  
"These are my three wives: Famine, Pestilence, and Death"

You made your bed, now lay in it!
 
2013-04-16 04:53:48 PM  

Luse: Basic instinct? Hardly. Look up Sparta. Read up on Vlad Tepes. Look up the reason even the enlightened US needed laws to say its bad for a kid to work in a factory.


Staying alive is a basic instinct and yet people commit suicide.

The rest are emotional points.
Simply put, you are placing a greater value on some lives therefore by default giving less value to adult lives.


I don't think he is. He's saying that he is more emotionally affected by some deaths than by others, and I think that would go for every single one of us. Or have you another reason for not sending flowers to my grandfather's funeral?
 
2013-04-16 04:55:41 PM  

Great Janitor: That is what I find oddly interesting about this.  No one has taken responsibility for it.  No group has said that it was done for their religious or political beliefs.


It'll be a single nutter with a grudge about a parking ticket, or a planning dispute, or just a desire to blow a few people up.
 
2013-04-16 05:51:24 PM  
Pharoah wept.
 
2013-04-16 05:59:42 PM  
DNRTFA, but I agree that any cause that kills kids is a pestilence.  This is a very sad thing, disgusting.  However, I do not have tunnel-vision and am not able to see American causes that have killed hundreds if not thousands of kids.  Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc.  Remember, that while you are pointing your index finger at others, there are 3 pointing right back at you.
 
2013-04-16 06:00:59 PM  

404 page not found: Pharoah wept.


Oops. Confused him with this douche:

www.biography.com
 
2013-04-16 06:09:14 PM  

PapaChester: My money is on white extremists.


This, pretty much, and I'd say no more than 3 people since there were only 3 devices (unless I'm mistaken). The way the bombs went down doesn't smack of an international incident, and if it had been a terrorist organization they'd have likely claimed credit by now.
 
2013-04-16 07:12:57 PM  

orbister: Luse: Basic instinct? Hardly. Look up Sparta. Read up on Vlad Tepes. Look up the reason even the enlightened US needed laws to say its bad for a kid to work in a factory.

Staying alive is a basic instinct and yet people commit suicide.


Suicide is an entirely different issue. Most suicides are committed by a disturbed mind who believes that it is either worthless, or worse, harmful to those around them. Large portion of the rest are people in terminal pain etc.
Not to mention being defecated on, self mutilation to include amputation, castration etc. Not my bag but go for it, just don't try to get me or others to join you.

The rest are emotional points.
Simply put, you are placing a greater value on some lives therefore by default giving less value to adult lives.

I don't think he is. He's saying that he is more emotionally affected by some deaths than by others, and I think that would go for every single one of us. Or have you another reason for not sending flowers to my grandfather's funeral?


But that is the intent. When you use a phrase like "basic instinct" you infer that this is something inherent to the species. I would argue that it's a learned behavior. None in Sparta wept when they threw the sickly infant off a cliff. It wasn't part of their culture, yet they were still human. Not an isolated incident, common practice, just as with my other examples.
I wouldn't have bothered with a statement such as, "It upsets me more when I hear that it was a child who died."
The issue becomes when you use, "It is more upsetting when a child dies."
They are not the same thing. The latter has an implication that this is an excepted norm.
As far as your grandfather, I'm sorry to hear of his passing but up until now I was unaware that he had ever lived. I'm sure if I had met him, I would have found him a charming fellow. In such a case, I would most definitely place flowers on his grave. At least plastic ones.
 
2013-04-16 07:24:24 PM  
"Cause which kills kids" huh?  Hmm... let's see...

OH YEAH! That little war in the middle east the papers seem to have forgotten about, with all those suckers, er kids in uniforms dying for oil mon... er.... dying for our freedom. Freedom, patriotism. yeah!
 Silly me...

Look, this is a terrible thing which has happened, but lets not forget that there are other terrorists and murders in our midst, and they've rationalized their actions with laws and lobbying and patriotism. Wanna feel sick? Wanna feel angry? Maybe that's a better use of emotions in the aftermath of this.
 
2013-04-16 08:38:39 PM  

supayoda: PapaChester: My money is on white extremists.

This, pretty much, and I'd say no more than 3 people since there were only 3 devices (unless I'm mistaken). The way the bombs went down doesn't smack of an international incident, and if it had been a terrorist organization they'd have likely claimed credit by now.


My money is on a single, very disturbed individual.
 
2013-04-16 09:18:22 PM  

Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.


That would be the entire FarkLibtard faction over there in the politics tab.
 
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