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(Salon)   Bostonian and noted author Dennis Lehane shares his thoughts on yesterday's tragic bombing: "Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"   (salon.com) divider line 143
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2013-04-16 10:13:21 AM
I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:45 AM
More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.
 
2013-04-16 11:04:37 AM
I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.
 
2013-04-16 11:09:37 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I wouldn't go that far. I am pretty fond of the cause, "The Continued Existence of Gil Gigamesh" and would like to think that I would kill, if absolutely necessary, to further that cause.
 
2013-04-16 11:14:33 AM

gilgigamesh: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

I wouldn't go that far. I am pretty fond of the cause, "The Continued Existence of Gil Gigamesh" and would like to think that I would kill, if absolutely necessary, to further that cause.


Hey, that's a personal cause. And I have no problems with personal causes as long as your cause doesn't fark up my cause and vice versa.
 
2013-04-16 11:18:20 AM
Including drone attacks?
 
2013-04-16 11:19:03 AM
Oh gosh what an, er...bold statement?
 
2013-04-16 11:19:59 AM
Damn, thought it said Denis Leary. Was looking for some funny.
 
2013-04-16 11:20:51 AM
So... I assume he's pro-life.
 
2013-04-16 11:20:58 AM
Wait so now we can't blow up kids with drone strikes? Man i'm really confused...
 
2013-04-16 11:21:22 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:06 AM

Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.


I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:24 AM

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


Beat me to it. Don't see too many adults being aborted these days.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:41 AM
What happened was terrible, but the author is being simplistic. Every war ever has killed kids. A bombing campaign or artillery strike may not intentionally target kids but everyone knows they'll, at some point or other, be caught in it.

I am not condoning and I have no solutions either. I am just saying.
 
2013-04-16 11:24:15 AM

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


can u not
 
2013-04-16 11:25:00 AM
It's ok when WE do it, though.

You know how many children have been killed in Afghanistan by us? Just collateral damage. Eh, I'm sure a little cognitive dissidence goes a long way with this topic.

/Jesus Wept
 
2013-04-16 11:25:15 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


Killing Nazis was a good thing.  Or are you trying to tell us something?
 
2013-04-16 11:25:15 AM

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Well we did just take out a house full of people before the bombing, awkward.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:58 AM

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Not drone attacks.

Or any attacks initiated by the US of A.

God is on our side.

They hate us for our freedoms.

We will not back down in the Global War on Terrorism(GWoT).

Stuff happens.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:58 AM
What if all the kids killed by my cause are Hitler?
 
2013-04-16 11:27:09 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I know what you mean and I agree but the US military has killed a lot of people in recent years. Is America a pestilence? Many people around the world would say yes. Everything is relative.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:22 AM
My money is on white extremists.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:51 AM
I just think an author could have used a better word than pestilence, which is a word most commonly associated with disease and infection.

perhaps I'm just picky
perhaps I should just look at the core of what he is saying

/but it doesn't take an author to say 'It bad.....It very very bad'
 
2013-04-16 11:28:14 AM

Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.


Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Rahm Emmanuel
 
2013-04-16 11:28:55 AM

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.
 
2013-04-16 11:29:17 AM

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That was more to combat other causes that were infringing on causes that wouldn't affect anyone. American Revolution was to combat the cause of forcing religion/taxes on people. Civil War was to combat the idealogical cause that blacks were slaves and states were independent of a nation. WW1/2 are obvious.

War is a necessity at times, I won't dispute that. But the senseless killing for a cause is what I'm talking about. If it had only been adults that died yesterday, it would still be a pestilence.

And I know my initial post didn't say that and I apologize for that.
 
2013-04-16 11:30:42 AM
Wow...the Adweek headline is science fiction writing at its finest. I wonder when people will stop saying that Huxley and Orwell are satire and start treating their books like the straightforward blueprints for the 21st century. Will the current generation of highschoolers even know they were satire, once? In fact, Adweek's response used to be considered the propaganda of fascism. I really, really hope the abreaction in salon.com and places like Fark makes the copy writers for Adweek write less cynically in the future.
 
2013-04-16 11:30:56 AM
I get what he was saying. But that was a poorly written piece of crap. Take more time to collect your thoughts, please.
 
2013-04-16 11:32:13 AM
Is he the guy that wrote Mystic Pizza?
 
2013-04-16 11:32:33 AM

Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.


Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/
 
2013-04-16 11:33:16 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


this
 
2013-04-16 11:33:56 AM
we're all just kids

/older
//wiser
///dumber
////kids
 
2013-04-16 11:34:54 AM

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


Tell a Libyan.
 
2013-04-16 11:35:07 AM
I take comfort knowing that one person, or perhaps a few, caused this horrible event.

But hundreds ran into danger to help.  Thousands more provided material aid.  And millions are demanding the people responsible be brought to justice.

We out number the bad guys.  They can't win.
 
2013-04-16 11:35:55 AM

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


The bomber? Yeah, probably.
 
2013-04-16 11:38:00 AM

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


AMerican revolu

Dr. Manhattan: Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.

That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.


No, let me try!  I can be more pedantic!

American Revolution (cause was freedom)

The cause was taxation; plantation owners such as Washington didn't want to waste money propping up the Crown.  Immediately after war, the winning team proceeded to levy their own high taxes and violently suppress objections.  I'm not sure nebulous things like 'freedom' ever count as causes, since everyone always considers themselves in favor of them.

Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)

Slavery was a hot topic, but to ignore the economic interests just because the railway lobby hitched their wagon to abolitionism is ridiculous.  " If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it" -- Lincoln
 
2013-04-16 11:41:35 AM
Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?
 
2013-04-16 11:43:31 AM

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


The part I fear is that no matter who did it, doesn't matter if it was domestic or foreign, a group or a lone nut, is that we could be facing another round of post 9/11 changes.  TSA style security at sporting events and concerts.  Lists of people who can't attend large functions similar to a no fly list, more security cameras, more stuff that erodes our freedoms, gets in our way, takes away privacy, and in the long run does nothing.

If I ever wanted to make sure that women never again carried around purses, I'd buy a bunch of knock off Louis Vitton purses, put my explosives into them, sew them shut and pay a bunch of women $50 to walk around a crowded area with them, let everyone get a good look at those purses and then blow them all up.  When the government receives the report explaining that all the explosives were in purses, the first step will be no more purses in crowded areas that aren't see thru, followed by the same rule for back packs and shopping bags.
 
2013-04-16 11:44:31 AM
Meh, there are crazy people in every organization of over 1 person.
 
2013-04-16 11:45:27 AM

Ned Stark: Dust: More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.

I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it.


Same. Not ideology, just plain not putting thousands of soldiers and non-combatants at risk.
 
2013-04-16 11:45:59 AM

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


depends on who the drones are attacking
 
2013-04-16 11:46:46 AM
What if your cause is the killing of children?
 
2013-04-16 11:47:13 AM
The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".
 
2013-04-16 11:47:41 AM
So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.
 
2013-04-16 11:47:47 AM
Um, the problem with terrorism is not the cause it is the means to advance the cause. You can find people using violence to promote any cause, or no cause. (think Columbine -- or Aurora?)
 
2013-04-16 11:47:48 AM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Meh, there are crazy people in every organization of over 1 person.


I'm an organization of one and I'm crazy. Not that crazy, but still crazy.
 
2013-04-16 11:48:41 AM

Crewmannumber6: Isn't he the guy who wrote the 'Left Behind' books?


Lol that was my first thought too.
 
2013-04-16 11:50:36 AM
I hope we get thrown a curve ball and it ends up being Cobra
 
2013-04-16 11:51:35 AM
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"

So, all of them?
 
2013-04-16 11:51:51 AM

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


This.
 
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