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2013-04-16 06:05:48 AM
14 votes:

Moderator: This is the continuation of  http://www.fark.com/comments/7701197 and is a clearinghouse for the latest newslinks related to the Boston bombings as well as discussion about the event.

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Hi, Mod and really this is for all Fark Moderators. Thanks for making things run as smoothly and painlessly as possible. Yea, I saw an image from the attack yesterday but I chose to click on it. Thanks for keeping the threads free of that in thread, I'm sure it's a tough job especially with the herp and derp but thanks for doing it. I know y'all don't get enough credit just criticism, so I'm saying thank you.
2013-04-16 02:27:50 PM
7 votes:

spentmiles: Anybody filed a lawsuit against everybody yet?  My buddy, who ran in the marathon yesterday, is a trial lawyer up there in Boston.  He said he was passing out cards left and right, even slipped one under a guy's leg tourniquet.  I tried to call him this morning but his secretary said he's been on the phone for fourteen hours straight.  This is the kind of thing a good trial lawyer can retire with.  Every place is the right place, every time is the right time, for somebody I suppose.


Your buddy is an asshole.
2013-04-16 08:02:11 AM
7 votes:

Here's what Patton Oswald said.

Boston. farking horrible.
I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."

But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.
But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.
But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.
So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
2013-04-16 06:18:50 AM
7 votes:
Muslims rush to take credit for things like this... white people try not to get caught. That's my stereotypical take on it.
2013-04-16 08:43:54 AM
6 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?


   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.
2013-04-16 09:26:40 AM
5 votes:
OK, I've been looking at the film and the stills, and I'm starting to formulate a theory about the devices:

These weren't bombs made with actual high explosives.  It was made with gunpowder, specifically either black powder, or, more likely, a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Triple7.

My reasoning is the fire-ball like nature of the "explosions", and the large amounts of white smoke.  Anyone whose seen a muzzleloader shoot is familiar with that image on a much smaller scale.  Even the color of the fireball matches.

My guess on the construction is a large metal pipe filled with something like Triple7 (most energetic of the 3 powders I mentioned), either detonated remotely via radio or cell signal, or by a timer.  A simple battery and an Estes rocket motor igniter would suffice to trigger the device.  Easy to construct, the materials are uncontrolled, and crude, though as we've seen, cruelly effective.

 Right now, my thinking is remote detonation.  The explosions were close enough together that the setting of timers makes the timing iffy, but it jives well with "call bomb 1, hang up, call bomb 2" or "transmit bomb 1 signal, change frequency, transmit bomb 2 signal".  A cautious bomber would avoid using cellphones, though:  They'll be able to pull up the cell numbers somehow (recovered chips from the phones, or even just seeing what numbers were called in that area at that exact instant), and from that they could just request every single "ping" from those phones to find out where those phones have been, which would lead investigators to those responsible.

A less traceable method would use something like a commonly used handheld radio like an FRS or GMRS handheld, set on a certain channel with a certain CTCSS code.  You use the audio from the radio to close a relay, which closes the connection between the battery and the igniter.    Radio won't unsquelch without a transmission on the proper frequency with the proper code.  Since they are simple radios, they don't transmit location data to cell sites, and thus investigators couldn't retrieve the prior locations of those devices.

As I said, pure speculation on my part.
2013-04-16 08:40:40 AM
5 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...


[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


Probably scared shiatless like everyone else and relying on instinct.
2013-04-16 05:59:38 AM
5 votes:
This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.
2013-04-16 02:32:12 PM
4 votes:

Shryke: SovietCanuckistan:
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Pumpkin, but the hate and utter garbage spewing from the right wing the last couple of years has been deafening.

I am guessing you are missing the glaring irony here.


We want equality:
Fark you Homo

We want a future:
Fark you Beaner

We want a decent wage:
Fark you Commie

We want to retire:
Fark you, I gots mine

Yeah, the glare coming off of that gilded pile of shiat called the modern GOP is blinding me to the irony I guess.
2013-04-16 10:09:19 AM
4 votes:
is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?

/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.
2013-04-16 08:59:56 AM
4 votes:
SBinRR:

On a side note, there were a lot more heroes than there were villains yesterday.  Let's not forget that.

Been seeing this going around, lotta good in the midst of all that bad:

www.chailife.com
2013-04-16 08:07:08 AM
4 votes:
I wonder if the bomber(s) knew they were attacking a place with an over abundance of EMTs, other emergency personnel and athletic trainers. I think it's thanks to these people that the deaths were limited to only three so far.
2013-04-16 07:26:06 AM
4 votes:
Just imagine: Nobody had to get through airport security to do this.
2013-04-16 07:08:33 AM
4 votes:

theotherles: Old enough to know better: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Why these bastards haven't had their "church" firebombed by now continues to puzzle me.

They are not worth the effort.


I agree. The rainbow house across the street is a far better method of protest of this disgusting "church" than resorting to the violence they would like to invite.
2013-04-16 06:06:53 AM
4 votes:
so... what new laws are we going to pass now? What rights and freedoms can we trade away to protect the 1 in 20,000,000 Americans who are killed in terror attacks?

Or is it just the media who is going to cost us tens of millions in lost productivity?
2013-04-16 06:10:08 PM
3 votes:
Personally I am hoping that this will turn out to be a domestic terrorist attack (I don't care if it's left, right, or just plain nutcase) simply because the last time there was a foreign terrorist attack on US soil the entire world lost its collective shiat and a horrible event that cost more than three thousand lives ended up escalating into two wars that have killed over 100,000 and maimed many more. We're finally starting to calm the fark down from 9/11. I'd hate to see that shiat get stirred up again.
2013-04-16 03:49:30 PM
3 votes:

Shryke: Your mistake here is glaring: the indictments I am criticizing involve "teabaggers".  The Tea Party has farking zero to do with killing people. Or religious zealotry for that matter.

Yet, here comes the Fark Lefties, bunching them in with murderers. This is called collective demonization. Got it?


You know, if the tea party as a movement, and several of its local and regional organizations, didn't have  extremely well-known financial, personal, and logistic ties to militia, white nationalist and supremacist, anarcho-survivalist, and other violent right-wing hate groups, all while endorsing the use of extremist rhetoric  and regularly failing to denounce the use of violence as a means to effect political will (otherwise known as "terror"), you might have a point.

http://www.irehr.org/news/special-reports/item/443

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/07/10/tea-party-nation-oath-keepe rs -is-last-line-of-defense-against-tyranny/

Like I said, what is it about  you and  your belief that you cannot distinguish between a criticism of extremist sub-groups within the panoply of right-wing ideologies and  yourself? Hell, just in this thread rather than understanding Islamic extremism  as a right-wing ideology (and it is) and denouncing it as you did anyway, you denied it.
2013-04-16 03:41:10 PM
3 votes:

Shryke: Yet, here comes the Fark Lefties, bunching them in with murderers. This is called collective demonization. Got it?


Maybe we'd stop if you the Right did not continuously:

1.- Slandered everyone, even each other
2.- Used violent imagery to make a point (violent as in 'We came unarmed... This time')
2013-04-16 03:23:42 PM
3 votes:
How about we have one thread for news and a separate thread for pointless bickering and speculation?
2013-04-16 02:59:30 PM
3 votes:
Children's Hospital Boston has an Amazon wishlist through Child's Play.
2013-04-16 02:48:57 PM
3 votes:

RexTalionis: skullkrusher: RexTalionis: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: WhoopAssWayne: Fox is now saying that 'pressure cookers' were used for the bombs and that they were in the same style as Iraq/Afghanistan IEDs. They're saying the pressure cookers were used as the timing device. Does that make sense to anyone? Seems a bit rube goldberg given how cheap, reliable, and available other types of timing devices are these days. Bizarre.

Fox News and NY Post have been trying so damn hard to pin this on Muslims that I'm taking anything that a News Corp outlet says with a grain of salt.

The NY Post reported that there was a Saudi suspect. There was. WaPo says that their sources say he is not a suspect but a witness. They raided the guys house. That sounds a farkload lot more like suspect treatment than witness treatement. NYPost hasn't changed their story to reflect any new info about his status though

Reuters: Late on Monday, police searched a Boston area apartment of a Saudi Arabian student who was injured in the blast, law enforcement sources said. But they said evidence showed that the student was expected to be cleared of suspicion and that he was unlikely to shed any light on the attack.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-usa-explosions-boston-i dU SBRE93F06T20130416?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

yeah WaPo article I posted below said basically the same

Just went to NY Post again. They're really playing up the Saudi bomber angle.


They better hope they're right because their credibility will be shot by anyone who isn't an Islamophobe.
2013-04-16 02:31:32 PM
3 votes:

LessO2: CNN Tweet:

CNN Breaking News  @cnnbrk
Official: 1 of 3 killed in Boston attack was Krystle Campbell, 2001 grad of Medford (Mass.) H.S. http://on.cnn.com/13cfDIL


BREAKING NEWS: A second victim has been identified in Boston Marathon bombings: Krystle Campbell, 29, of Arlington. According to her grandmother, Lillian Campbell of Somerville, Krystle had just moved to the town a short time ago. She had been living with her grandmother to help her through an illness for the past couple of years.

Krystle recently left a job as a manager at the Summer Shack for a job at another restaurant in the area. She went to watch the Marathon every year and was there with a friend this year. The friend is hospitalized with serious injuries.


 An 8 year old and a young woman who moved home to help her sick grandmother.  At this point, whatever ideology the perpetrator has is now among the worst in the world.
2013-04-16 12:53:30 PM
3 votes:

scubamage: Stoj: Source: 1 device, appears to have been placed in metal pressure cooker (kitchen pot) in black nylon bag or backpack.(via @cbsnews) #wbz
- AndreaWBZ (@AndreaWBZ) April 16, 2013

Could explain the flames. Fill a pressure cooker with gasoline and weld the pressure relief and safety release shut. Gun powder (mentioned previously) doesn't create a lot of flame, it creates more smoke than anything (even smokeless). Gasoline on the other hand has all of the pretty flames people are used to seeing in movies.


As a welder, I must say that if all would-be terrorists did what you suggest...the world would be a MUCH better place.
2013-04-16 11:50:30 AM
3 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.

You're not an American, are you?

Seriously, what makes a "terrorist" more deserving of torture than a "serial killer" or a mass shooter?

Just because he's called a scary thing doesn't mean we throw away the Constitution.


What about scary inanimate objects? Can we throw away the constitution for those?

You are not consistant are you.....
2013-04-16 11:23:49 AM
3 votes:

SurelyShirley:
I agree. We rarely or never hear the back stories about victims in other countries, only numbers. One could come up with a number of reasons as to why, practical and cynical.


I don't think that we are being shielded from it, at least not those of us who watch things closely, photos of overseas terrorist bombs are out there, but we almost never get the back story. Part of that is probably innocent enough, we simply don't have the kind of bureaus overseas that the media has in Boston. I'm sure when a car bomb explodes in Iraq, every single victim has a story behind their life, but we rarely get that story. Now we have the poor child who was killed, the man who those of us who have morbid curiosity have seen with his legs both blown right the fark off, the man in the cowboy hat, etc.

It's worth remembering that even though we don't see it, when this happens in Iraq or wherever, it's the same tragedy. People are, for the most part, good. I've chatted with people in Iraq and Iran. Yes, they have their crazies, just like we do, but the majority of people are just trying to make their way in life. They bake bread and love their children. They sometimes make mistakes. They don't deserve to be blown up any more than anyone here does, and it's equally tragic when it happens there. We just don't "get" the whole picture as we do here.
2013-04-16 10:05:39 AM
3 votes:

FLMountainMan: Says the guy who thinks liberals are incapable of organized violence.


Actually, if you go through the chain of replies, you'll find that Dwight_Yeast said nothing of the sort. The most you can draw from Dwight_Yeast's statement was that Viss apparently claims that there are exactly as many left-wing terrorist groups in the US as there are right wing terrorist groups, but could only name one group.
2013-04-16 09:57:05 AM
3 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...
[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?
The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


Firstly, the cop on the left is a she, not a he. Her finger is not on the trigger--she clearly has excellent training and discipline, and is reacting on that training and instinct in an uncertain situation. I applaud her, as I do everyone who responded yesterday.
2013-04-16 09:30:10 AM
3 votes:
Here's some more info on the guy from Pic #8. He's alive and stable.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/04/16/chronicling-the-carnage/
2013-04-16 07:59:15 AM
3 votes:
Alonjar

They werent duds... the authorities followed the "Terror attack in MY city?" handbook, and shut off cell phone service right away. The bombs were most likely triggered by cell phone.

Incorrect. Interviews with Verizon and Sprint show that at no time was any service shut down. After the attact the network was overloaded with traffic, so that very well could have prevented a 3rd or 4th explosion if they were cell phone detonated.

They havent released details about the bombs yet, so that is unknown.

Police/Feds also denied they asked for any service to be shut down.
2013-04-16 07:30:45 AM
3 votes:

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


It's called shock; he looks very pale and is probably close to shutting down from pain and blood loss.

I'm thinking this was the work of domestic terrorists; the kind of bombs used (small, crude, designed to inflict maximum casualties, aimed at personnel instead of buildings), the fact over half of them didn't go off, and the use of non-military explosives (something that could be made at home if necessary), all points to a home grown bomber(s). Eric Rudolph, Kazinski and McVeigh all made their own bombs, after all. Foreign terrorists tend to use larger bombs as well (the WTC bombing comes to mind).
2013-04-16 07:05:30 AM
3 votes:

Pick: Obama vows to track down terrorists, just like he did in Benghazi. Rest well, America.


Obama vows to track down terrorists, just like he did Bin Laden.

I'm pretty sure we won't attack the wrong country over this.
2013-04-16 06:39:44 AM
3 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: If it is Islamic Terrorism....lets not resort to dhimmitude and refuse to call Islamic Terrorism "Islamic Terrorism".

And its not just a left/right thing.  There are plenty on the right who refuse to call Islamic Terrorism as such...like Grover Norquist and many of the Fox News talking heads

The cheering of Palestinians in Palestine...the ball bearings used as shrapnel....these are signs that it was some sort of Islamic Terrorism




Either a troll or amazingly stupid. Ball bearings a sign of Islam? farking moron.
2013-04-16 06:23:12 AM
3 votes:

Gobobo: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Kim Il Sung's 101st birthday, the first ever helicopter flight in 1941, first US nuclear test in Nevada, in 1986 the US air raided Libya, and last year those spooks in Columbia got into trouble.


you know there are only 365 days in the year and something happened on each of them in history that could be linked to some group. The birthday of a leader, the birthday of an important person, the birthday of the group, an anniversery of an event that was good for them, the anniversery of an event that was bad for them, an historical event that the group identifies with, an historical event that group is opposed to. Or, if it is a group (and I'm not saying it is), just a random day that isn't linked to them, but where a bunch of people gather for some reason, with a lot of press around.
2013-04-16 06:18:18 AM
3 votes:

Gobobo: Kim Il Sung's 101st birthday


Oh, that's right. I forgot about that one. I somehow think those pushing for a pre-emptive war with Best Korea won't miss that little detail, though.
2013-04-16 06:17:35 AM
3 votes:
The date may have been incidental.
This was one of the biggest events happening in the city, providing the most targets.

mr0x: Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


I'm suspecting that they couldn't have placed it before the race.  The rout would have been swept by cops with hundreds of people pointing out any odd packages and checking trash bins.
Whoever did this might have slipped in with the crowd and planted the bomb when the racers had everyone's attention.
2013-04-16 06:15:01 AM
3 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons. But whatever, i just want the people found and hung. My heart and thoughts go out to all the victims.


Don't be idiotic. Yes, it could be Islamic militants...but it could just as easily be a neo-Nazi, or an Eric Rudolph-style psychotic Christian, or any number of other lunatics.
2013-04-16 06:10:27 AM
3 votes:

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


It was Patriots' Day, which is observed on the same day as the Boston Marathon (third Monday in April).
2013-04-16 06:09:09 AM
3 votes:

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Take your pick:

Patriots Day
Tax Day

It is also near to Adolph Hitler's birthday (April 20th, a big one for the neo-nazi types) and April 19th, when the Waco siege ended so badly and also when McVeigh attacked the Federal building in Oklahoma City.
2013-04-16 06:05:33 AM
3 votes:

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Last day to pay your taxes.
2013-04-16 06:04:25 AM
3 votes:

AlanSmithee: On one hand, I find all the wild speculation about  the perpetrators' motives kind of annoying.  On the other hand, maybe it's just that some people, sympathizing with the victims, are going out on a limb.


It's simply human nature. We try to understand the world around us. We can't help it.
2013-04-16 03:47:15 PM
2 votes:
OK, here is a very interesting analysis of the bomb characteristics, and it dovetails nicely with what I've been saying:


Boston Marathon Bombing: Deriving some Physics and other info from video analysis
it's "back-of-the-envelope" sort of stuff, but it pretty much confirms that it wasn't a high explosive, most likely black powder or a black powder substitute, and that the container used wasn't strong enough for the amount of powder used, so much of the potential energy was wasted (thankfully!).
2013-04-16 03:37:50 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: Yet, here comes the Fark Lefties, bunching them in with murderers. This is called collective demonization. Got it?


Maybe if the dipshiats you get off defending didn't go around bragging they "came unarmed this time" they wouldn't be on the radar. Plus--OKC. White right-wing dipshiat.
2013-04-16 03:21:56 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: InmanRoshi: They are pretty much the epitome of "right wing" in my sense of the word, yes.

Corrected.

Mashing everyone you dislike into one political spectrum might be convenient, but it is intellectually lazy.


No, intellectually lazy is "I don't want my particular flavor of crazy right wing beliefs to be associated with their particular flavor of crazy right wing beliefs, therefore they can't be called right wing".


Right wing .. those that support political or social or economic conservatism   They want a theocratic ruling government.   They want a return to, or at least conservation of,  "traditional" conservative social values.    That's what we call a right winger.
2013-04-16 03:14:13 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: PartTimeBuddha: Whaddaya mean, 'your ilk'?

Hypocritical leftists, convinced of moral superiority whilst constantly demonizing and castigating everyone that doesn't share their mindset.


You mean, the people you're demonizing? Do you see the problem?
2013-04-16 03:13:26 PM
2 votes:

PunGent: Stoj: Alonjar: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.

Amazingly, I just heard that doctors are reporting that basically "anyone who came into the hospital alive" will live.

We have no-fooling world-class grade-A hospitals here.


And a ton of them too. Brigham, MGH, Children's, Beth Israel, BMC... For those that lost limbs, we have Spaulding Rehab right here. We have a lot.
2013-04-16 02:49:59 PM
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: I don't think we 1) know enough about the bomb construction 2) have enough people on Fark who would be able to authoritatively comment on explosives


I would say we may not have many, but there are at least a couple demolitions trained people and even a couple ex-EOD personnel on here IIRC.

 I can say two things quite authoritatively about bomb makers;
  First, highly motivated and intelligent people - even entirely formally untrained people - have made some of the most deviously complex and sophisticated devices you can imagine, or at least some combination of complex and rudimentary design aspects.
  Secondly, even extraordinarily large and/or well-funded groups that should know better have often constructed the most incompetent and ineffectual devices you can possibly imagine.

 You can't always learn much from just the bomb design itself. It has to be combined with a lot of other factors to have any context.
2013-04-16 02:49:39 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: vygramul: It's about as ironic as saying, "Fark NAZIs and their hate."

Funny, it's you guys insisting the government put its boot on the neck of the "ZOMG TEABAGGERS".


I don't have a dog in this fight.     I'm not an Islamist militant.    I'm not a neo-anarchist left wing radical.    I'm not a derpy right wing anti-government wackadoodle. No matter what the motivations, it's not going to reflect on me.    I just want the perpetrator   brought to justice, and I want anyone who shares likewise beliefs and/or associations with the perpetrator to be put on authorities' radar so future incidents can be prevented.

You, on the other hand, seem to be overly defensive and adament that there is no way a derpy right wing anti-government wackadoodle  could carry out a bombing on a sporting event in America that kills a handful of people and injures a hundred more, despite the fact that a right wing fringe wackadoodle has previusly bombed a sporting event in America that killed a handful and injured a hundred more.
2013-04-16 02:37:49 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.


Explain the Atlanta Olympics bombing, then.
2013-04-16 02:33:46 PM
2 votes:

LessO2: spentmiles: Anybody filed a lawsuit against everybody yet?  My buddy, who ran in the marathon yesterday, is a trial lawyer up there in Boston.  He said he was passing out cards left and right, even slipped one under a guy's leg tourniquet.  I tried to call him this morning but his secretary said he's been on the phone for fourteen hours straight.  This is the kind of thing a good trial lawyer can retire with.  Every place is the right place, every time is the right time, for somebody I suppose.

Your buddy is an asshole.


spentmiles is a troll.  He's sometimes funny, but never take anything he writes seriously.

(The business card under a tourniquet should have clued you in...)
2013-04-16 02:32:22 PM
2 votes:

Deucednuisance: Shryke: Lots of Farkers are praying fervently this is a right wing American.

I for one, do not pray to anything about anything.

Of the various types of miserable bastards that have been offered up, I've gotta go with "Lone psychopath bearing and acting on some inexplicable grudge".

But "Right-Wing 'Patriot'" scenario fits pretty darn well, too.  Someone came armed, this time.


I'm just hoping it's not a Muslim. They're having a hard enough time trying to win over the American public without having another jackass bomb innocent people.
2013-04-16 02:21:54 PM
2 votes:

A Fark Handle: bdub77: Can we not keep people in our thoughts and prayers? Oh I'm sorry Mr. Douchebag, you're tired of it so we should all be tired of having sympathy for the dead and wounded and their families and everyone else who was affected by this tragedy?

This kind of event is a hard but important reminder that you can impact the lives of people. Doesn't mean you have to go directly to Boston and donate blood, just be involved in your community, help someone get an education, be a farking model of personal responsibility, whatever. Just don't spend your entire life finding something to piss and moan about from the comfort of your farking computer terminal because you think it's cool to rag on it, after all people can't have a sense of morality or responsibility, this is the 21st century right?


but why these people?  and why do so many feel the need to express that publicly?  i'm just curious about why certain deaths are worthy of nationwide mourning and prayer circles, and others are not.  and i guess we sort of agree (except i don't see a terror attack as a reminder) that you can make difference and differences are being made everyday around the world.  tragedy and life happens everyday, so why don't we post our thoughts and prayers about those events?  why do people not connect in the slightest to boston feel the need to let the world (via facebook, twitter, fark, whatevs) know that they really care?  doesn't it seem strange to you?  mourning for show?  it's just curious to me...but i guess i shouldn't ask, as that makes me a douchenozzle or something.


I am late to answer this, and I don't know if I'm going to be able to express this correctly, but hell. I'll give it a shot. Whether this was foreign or domestic, the fact is this attack targeted random people. This was a civilian target. Civilians were the target. Mostly US citizens (although not all as the marathon does draw people from all over). Boston was the target this time, but it could have been anywhere. It could have been me. It could have been you. It wasn't. It was these people. It was Boston. They took the hit for us all. They lost the limbs for us all. They lost their little boy. We didn't. But we could have.

Car accidents happen and cancer happens and we're all going to die. I accept that. But this was intentional. Somebody did this. Somebody made this happen. On purpose. To hurt these people who could have been us. So yeah, I accept that a whole bunch of people are going to die today and a whole bunch of people are going to be born today and any of us could go at any time and that's how the whole thing works. But I am sorry for the people who were hurt and killed in this attack. They are in my thoughts and prayers. It could have been any of us and I'm sorry that they're the ones who took the hit that was aimed at us all. I'm thankful that I have legs today. I'm going to go for a walk later and be thankful that I still can.

Yeah, that's not all of what I wanted to say exactly, but the pictures, especially #8, keep jumping in front of my words.
2013-04-16 02:20:12 PM
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Fox is now saying that 'pressure cookers' were used for the bombs and that they were in the same style as Iraq/Afghanistan IEDs. They're saying the pressure cookers were used as the timing device. Does that make sense to anyone? Seems a bit rube goldberg given how cheap, reliable, and available other types of timing devices are these days. Bizarre.


Fox News and NY Post have been trying so damn hard to pin this on Muslims that I'm taking anything that a News Corp outlet says with a grain of salt.
2013-04-16 02:15:20 PM
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Fox is now saying that 'pressure cookers' were used for the bombs and that they were in the same style as Iraq/Afghanistan IEDs. They're saying the pressure cookers were used as the timing device. Does that make sense to anyone? Seems a bit rube goldberg given how cheap, reliable, and available other types of timing devices are these days. Bizarre.


Yeah, because no one in the US would dare steal someone else's bomb making ideas. We keep things original here in the US.
2013-04-16 02:06:25 PM
2 votes:

MichiganFTL: cameroncrazy1984: MichiganFTL: skullkrusher: skullkrusher: Felgraf: skullkrusher: Bontesla: omnibus_necanda_sunt: A further point in favor of the domestic theory:

Buying enough shotgun shells or black powder for pipe bombs of that size, without drawing a lot of attention, would have been a hell of a lot more difficult for a Muslim.

This is a particularly good point.

They raided the house of the Saudi national that the NY Post made up yesterday. Point Muslim perpetrator.

Currently reuters disagrees. It's possible that, after raiding his apartment, they were able to confirm that he was not the perpetrator? The police may have just wanted to dot their i's and cross their t's before clearing/releasing him.

certainly possible but he's the only "suspect" or "person of interest" that I've seen mentioned so if we're gonna speculate wildly on the perpetrator, it's worth noting.
I don't put it past the Post to run with an angle before getting concrete confirmations but they spoke of a 20 year old Saudi as a suspect and TPM refuted that and now
there are reports that the apartment of a 20 year old Saudi was raided yesterday so it seems unlikely that the Post just made it up. We'll have to wait for updates I suppose

Just saw this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/injured-saudi-is-a-witness-no t- a-suspect-in-boston-bombing/2013/04/16/791de708-a6ad-11e2-b029-8fb7e97 7ef71_story.html

The Saudi kid is now regarded as a witness and not a suspect... after they raided his house

But it's ok, ya know, for security purposes.

Dude. They got a search warrant. Are you really so pants-wettingly terrified of the government now that even valid warrant searches are "over the line"?

No search warrant was ever obtained. He gave them permission to search it. Probably could have claimed that he was under duress, coercion or not in the right frame of mind to express his rights.


Or he didn't know of his rights.  By Saudi standards, asking to search his place before doing it, is five-star treatment.

Or he had no farking thing to hide and wanted to clear his name.  "Sure go ahead, search my appartment.  Although I warn you, I haven't emptied the cat's litter in three days, if you smell ammonia, don't come to the wrong conclusions..."
2013-04-16 01:55:24 PM
2 votes:

MmmmBacon: I've seen reports that back up the ball bearings claim, and others that refute it, so I think it is way too early to know for sure. The FBI and police won't say, because they don't want to give out too much information. I suspect eventually we'll know all the details, but right now it's a little early for that.


I also wouldn't use the ball-bearings (whether they existed or not) as a definitive sign of who did it--there are at least two domestic terrorist groups in the US that also use shrapnel-producing material like nails and ball bearings in their IEDs, and (notably) both are known for gunpowder-based pipe bombs in backpacks at large public gatherings.

Specifically, a Christian Identity-linked terrorist attempted a similar bombing of a MLK Day parade not too long ago, and this type of bomb is almost a hallmark of the Army of God's terrorist actions (and of note, there's been enough cross-fertilisation of tactics and even some imagery between the Army of God and Christian Identity-linked terror groups that it's entirely possible they're cribbing tactics from each other--hence why I won't say "Army of God did it" but I DO think whomever did it may well have been inspired by material originating from the Army of God terror manual, even if second- or third-hand).

There's some other stuff that (IMHO, as a professional researcher on religionationalist extremism in general) points rather more strongly to this being probably domestic rather than international (assuming it's not a case of a single, very-well-motivated nutter a la Unabomber).  Specifically, the composition of the bombs (per experts) seems to have been gunpowder-based and at the least not being plastique based, which strongly points to domestic terrorism (both Christian Identity-linked terrorists' bombs and the stereotypical Army of God-design IED tend to use commercial dynamite or even black powder pipe bombs), the depositing of backpack-bombs in garbage cans and/or at the ground level (again, pretty stereotypical of CI and AoG terror attacks--the Army of God in particular has liked garbage-can bombs when it's attacked LGBT nightclubs, and most women's clinics don't have garbage cans nearby anymore for much the same reason), the date significance (no real major AQ related holidays of significance, but Patriot Day and Tax Day do have significance among militia groups--and in particular, both CI and the Army of God have written "revolutionary fanfiction" regarding terrorist events launching a mass revolution (CI in the infamous "Turner Diaries", the Army of God in a Turner Diaries-esque story that ran for two years in the "Christian Liberty" newsletter that acted as a de facto newsletter for the AoG) to the point that the purpose of Patriot Day (the beginning of the original American Revolution) would have significance), and the fact that nobody has claimed responsibility (AQ pretty much is happy to claim responsibility unless it's something that risks wiping out the whole org a la 11 September 2001; the AoG and CI groups actually only fairly rarely claim responsibility for terrorist actions publically, and are more likely to promote these within their own literature).

It's also worth noting that domestic terrorism in general has escalated since 2008--after relatively laying low during the Bush administration, the Army of God has ramped up its activities substantially (not just in the assassination of Dr. George Tiller, but in clinic attacks nationwide that are little reported outside of clinic defense groups and the Army of God's associated websites) and there has been a major rise in specifically racist hate groups and hate activity (including the attempted bombing of the MLK march).  One persistent undercurrent has been the general claim in CI (and far-right religionationalist militias in general) that the President will somehow seize weapons as a prelude to martial law--it doesn't help that a lot of "revolutionary fanfic" in these circles posits exactly this as a trigger to revolution.

One thing that does worry me in this regard (and also points to this being potentially the work of either a militia sympathiser misidentified as a "lone wolf" or to a small "Christian Patriot revolutionary cell") is the fact that the survivors of the Connecticut school shooting have been the subject of some extremely nasty attacks almost from the time of the shooting itself (and particularly since people compared the shooting to a similar school shooting in Australia that led to restrictions on handguns in that country).  There has been speculation, based on location of the bombs, that the survivors (in a VIP section near the finish line) could have been specifically targeted--I'm honestly hoping it's just coincidence.

One thing I'd actually be interested in, and (if it is domestic terrorism) would narrow down the potential culprits...if it was portrayed as specifically international and/or if major publicity was given re LGBT participants (which would lean things a bit more towards Army of God--the Olympic Park Bombing was targeted because it was an international sports event meant to foster brotherhood, and thus seen as part of the One World Government conspiracy) or if most of the promotion was re it being a memorial and tribute to the Connecticut school shooting victims and survivors (which would put this rather more into right-wing terrorism that might not be as religiously motivated).

/hopes whomever is responsible--apolitical mad bomber, militiatard mad bomber, dominionist mad bomber, Wahhabist mad bomber, whatever...has a very shiatty, no-good, very-bad rest of their life in prison
//wonders if--in the event this DOES turn out to be the result of right-wing domestic terrorism of some sort, either militiatard-sympathiser mad bomber or cell of Mad Bombers for Jesus or whatever--if this will finally be the event that gets the government treating domestic terrorism as seriously as international terrorism--we almost had this in the 90s, pretty much a lot of it was gutted by Bush, and still we don't do so much as seizing funds linked to domestic terrorists like we do international terrorism
///sadly, I do think that IF (and there is still much evidence to be gone through) this gets linked to right-wing domestic terrorism AND it turns out to be a militiatard-sympathiser mad bomber (similar to the guy who shot up a Unitarian congregation in Knoxville, TN some years back) it will take government action, because I REALLY don't think the likes of Glenn Beck and Bryan Fischer et al are going to be having any crisis of conscience anytime soon
2013-04-16 01:50:13 PM
2 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2013-04-16 01:47:43 PM
2 votes:

Shryke: The Evil Home Brewer: The sad truth? This was probably the work of some US citizen who wanted to make a statement about Tax Day, Waco, Abortion, Smurfs, or some other nonsense.

Blaming it on Islam, Jesus,

The "sad" thing here (outside of the tragedy itself) is your baseless assumption that it was an American. I swear to fark most of you guys *hope* it was.


I actually do.

Every single type of minority people have been at one time considered enemy of the civilized white man, and severely discriminated against.

Muslims are the target de jour and really, really hope this was a TeaBagger sack of shiat tired of "his country being taken away from him" while crying Glenn Beck tears.

I ACTUALLY DO.
2013-04-16 12:49:35 PM
2 votes:

scubamage: dittybopper: scubamage: Gun powder (mentioned previously) doesn't create a lot of flame, it creates more smoke than anything (even smokeless).

Oh, yes it does create flame, and lots of it, under the right circumstances.

Generally, you don't see that much of it because it's burnt up in the barrel of a gun, and you only get the really impressive fireballs out of a muzzleloader if you are using too much powder, so that the unburnt stuff gets shoved out of the barrel and then ignites.  Mostly, though, shooters don't do that because it's a waste of powder for nothing more than an impressive show.  Also, it increases recoil without adding significantly to velocity, so that's another strike against using too much in a gun.

Hm, I was honestly going by the explosions I've seen on the mythbusters episode with "jumping underwater to escape an explosion" (measuring force and visual differences between gasoline, black powder, dynamite, and C4). Gasoline creates a ton of lasting flame (probably the reason it has the least force), gun powder (smokeless) created relatively little flame (mostly a quick flash but significantly more force). Dynamite and c4 create pretty much no flame, it's all percussive force.

By no means is that definitive, but I can't imagine the results would vary too much. I could be wrong though, I am no explosives expert (though I have considered taking the test, because why not).


Smokeless powder and black powder are two very different things.  Smokeless, as the name implies, has very little smoke associated with it burning.  Black powder, on the other hand, produces copious amounts of dense, white smoke.

In fact, smokeless was invented as a way to get around the military handicap of shooting a gun:  Once you shot a gun loaded with black powder, you essentially gave your position away to everyone in visual range.  Smokeless is what allowed snipers to remain hidden.
2013-04-16 12:17:33 PM
2 votes:

scubamage: Fill a pressure cooker with gasoline and weld the pressure relief and safety release shut.


Darwin and I both hope that people who want to be terrorists do that, in that order.
2013-04-16 11:05:28 AM
2 votes:
img.gawkerassets.com

So sad... So angry...
2013-04-16 10:56:49 AM
2 votes:

jack21221: Flab: badscooter: NSFW graphic picture

/top right of picture
//not a single fark was given

Just underneath the "y" is "picture #8" guy.

No, it isn't. That guy is only missing one leg, and that leg he is missing doesn't have bone shards sticking out, and he has more skin.


languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu
2013-04-16 10:47:01 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: If we have reports of a sulfury, rotten egg or fart smell, that would cinch it.


"You could smell it - it smelled like a giant firecracker"
2013-04-16 10:23:38 AM
2 votes:

SovietCanuckistan: Some lady was on the news saying that Dog spare her sister or some shiat. I guess the guy in photo 8 and the rest of the amputees were heathen pieces of crap who Dog chose to smite


Or maybe they aren't real keen on how God views the inhabitants of Earth?  Ecc. 9:11 basically says "shiat happens".  You know, it rains on good people and bad people, all that.
2013-04-16 10:16:06 AM
2 votes:

Al_Ed: Holy sh*t! There are some God-awful pictures out there!!


Horrific... The one that really sums up the day for me is the one of the young man kneeling over a woman or girl lying on the sidewalk while an EMT works on her lower body. There is blood splatter all around, discarded American flag shoulder bags in the foreground and you can just see "Boston" on a small sign behind the subjects.

Not nearly as graphic as some of the other photos, but it's a really powerful image in my opinion.
2013-04-16 10:08:05 AM
2 votes:

JustGetItRight: fantasy vision of an American right wing nutjob.


There isn't much fantasy involved when you look at how the right foams at the mouth over everything.
The logic is: You say it enough, type it enough, get angry enough and if it's in the name of Dog, anything is possible.
2013-04-16 09:29:29 AM
2 votes:

MinkeyMan: This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.


Between the IRA and Al Queida, London has been bombed a whole bunch of times in the last 40 years. Considering there were no street parties here in Ireland, I doubt there were any in Boston either.
2013-04-16 09:26:42 AM
2 votes:

croesius: SBinRR:

On a side note, there were a lot more heroes than there were villains yesterday.  Let's not forget that.

Been seeing this going around, lotta good in the midst of all that bad:

[www.chailife.com image 600x389]


I was one of the early watchers of Mr Rogers Neighborhood (Late 60's).  My parents couldn't understand my infatuation with his show. This comment is what he was all about.  Just a kind man, nothing more.
2013-04-16 08:52:13 AM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start. All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.


Because the finish line is where all the media and cameras are.
2013-04-16 08:42:58 AM
2 votes:
I really think people waste way too much time speculating about the significance of the date when things like this happen.  There are just way too many potential coincidences there that can lead you down a false trail.  I also find it funny we don't seem to take the most recent tragedies into account when considering this.  I realize extrapolating based on recent events (Sandy Hook, Aurora) is logically flawed, but still it doesn't hurt to take that recent trend into account, or at least use it as a starting point.

I'm going with college aged (and very likely a college student) white male loner type with borderline or undiagnosed mental illness.  Educated enough to piece together home made explosives, but not a career terrorist, likely his first foray into violence.  Hopefully there's some FB or twitter account.  I think Anon could play a key role in bringing this guy in, if he doesn't kill himself first.

-Ruling out AQ, as they likely would have gone for bigger results, and I expect would be competent enough with improvised explosives to make this event much worse than it was.  I suppose it could still be a guy like the Fort Hood shooter, but while he was motivated by religion he acted more as a lone wolf.

- Ruling out fundamentalist right wingers / tea party:  not that they aren't dumb enough or violent enough to do something like this, I don't think this has the kind of government profile that your typical nut would go for - they aren't so much interested in body count as they are in the significance of their target (i.e. federally run buildings and organizations)
2013-04-16 08:32:39 AM
2 votes:

Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.


They're scared it really will turn out to be a domestic terrorist/teaparty patriot, so they want to poison the well as early and as much as possible.

If it was a domestic ultraconservative group, the groundwork for denial has been laid. If it's any other more palpable group (eg "brown people") then they sweep the false flag allegations into the memory hole like it never happened. It's win-win for the derpers provided you have the attention span of a goldfish with ADHD.
=Smidge=
2013-04-16 08:17:45 AM
2 votes:
Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.
2013-04-16 08:06:04 AM
2 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.

Seriously. I have a buddy who was calling 'false flag' before he even knew anything other than the fact that there was an explosion. I try to point out that in a false flag operation you would have someone set up to take the blame, but in this case officials aren't yet pointing any fingers. He seems impervious to logic. He just knows this has something to do with the government trying to take his freedom.


Right. For it to be a "false" flag, there pretty much has to be some flag there. You'd think if teh evil gub'mint had this pre-planned, they'd already have a patsy set up and "in custody".

Especially if they could pull off a sophisticated attack like 9/11 and get away with it.  ;)

But seriously, There are so many possibilities about the type of a-hole who would do something like this, it's just hard to say at this point. It could be any number of groups, or some lone disgruntled farker who wasn't on anyone's radar. I just want to see them caught, and for us to deal with this in a rational manner that will bring us together again, rather than cowering in fear and hatred of those with different views than our own.

I am sorry for all the people who lost a loved one, or were horrifically maimed yesterday. Last time something like this happened, it brought the country together for a short time, but then eventually tore us even further apart. I hope we will not make the same mistakes again, and use this for political purposes, grandstanding, stupid conspiracies, etc.

Sadly, I'm not betting on it.
MFK
2013-04-16 07:49:25 AM
2 votes:

FloridaFarkTag: If it is Islamic Terrorism....lets not resort to dhimmitude and refuse to call Islamic Terrorism "Islamic Terrorism".

And its not just a left/right thing.  There are plenty on the right who refuse to call Islamic Terrorism as such...like Grover Norquist and many of the Fox News talking heads

The cheering of Palestinians in Palestine...the ball bearings used as shrapnel....these are signs that it was some sort of Islamic Terrorism


1) Assholes in the middle east will cheer any time we get farked with. This is mostly due to us plunging their region into a decade of war.
2) There were no ball bearings used in the bombs. That was an earlier, unconfirmed report that turned out to be bullshiat.
2013-04-16 07:34:23 AM
2 votes:

LL316: Bontesla: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.

That's completely inaccurate.

Not at all.  Being close minded as a Conservative is close minded.  Being close minded as a liberal is enlightened.


Do you find it particularly exhausting to be you?

The terrorist didn't do this because he was right or left. He did it because he was an asshole.
2013-04-16 07:24:52 AM
2 votes:
So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.
2013-04-16 07:20:21 AM
2 votes:
It's human nature to speculate on who might be responsible. Just about the only reason to do it anonymously on the Internet is to troll one side of the political spectrum or the other, though.
2013-04-16 07:15:50 AM
2 votes:

muck4doo: Fox now saying the Saudi student is in custody according to police, and the apartment that was raided was his. Supposedly the police removed a bunch of bags from it.

/Right wing nuts like McVeigh tend to attack government


You mean the Saudi student who was tackled by a random idiot (because he was running away from an explosion, like everyone else who could, and totally not because he looked Muslim-y), cooperated fully with investigators and was cleared as a suspect?

And right wing nuts have attacked large sporting events before. Eric Rudolph ring a bell?
2013-04-16 06:50:29 AM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons. But whatever, i just want the people found and hung. My heart and thoughts go out to all the victims.


Terrorists learn and incorporate tactics used by other terrorist groups. There isn't a unique signature. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever is responsible was inspired by certain well known terrorist groups.
2013-04-16 06:45:52 AM
2 votes:
April 19th is a big day for the militia movement. They haven't come out of their caves in a while.
2013-04-16 06:41:36 AM
2 votes:

Old enough to know better: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Why these bastards haven't had their "church" firebombed by now continues to puzzle me.


Perhaps because sane people have learned to put those attention whore trolls on ignore?
2013-04-16 06:18:37 AM
2 votes:
The person questioned in the hospital was a Saudi national, who was reportedly tackled and held by a bystander after he was seen running from near the scene of the explosion, said a law enforcement source who spoke with someone involved in the FBI's investigation. The Saudi man, believed to be a university student in Boston, is cooperating with the FBI and told agents that he was not involved in the explosions, and that he ran only because he was frightened. Investigators did not characterize the man as a suspect. No one had been arrested or charged as of late Monday night.

When I started reading about the supposed suspect last night, I knew this would be how it happened.  Some Tactical Guy wannabe jackass sees an Arab running in a sea of thousands of other people running, and tackles him for looking like a turrist.

I hope the jackass' name is on a police report so the guy can sue the shiat out of him.
2013-04-16 06:09:53 AM
2 votes:

mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


I just read in one article that was linked in this thread that the 4-hour mark is the high point for crossing the finish line and that the most people would be gathered there at that time, including family members, spectators, etc. I don't know anything about marathons, but it's a possible motive for the timing.
2013-04-16 06:06:23 AM
2 votes:

Richard C Stanford: Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


It was Patriot Day in Boston.
2013-04-16 05:59:01 AM
2 votes:

FarkinNortherner: A Terrible Human: There's also a warning before you see the pictures,honestly you'd probably be better off not seeing them.

Appears to confirm what was said earlier, a ground level device, probably in a bag, rather than a suicide 'vest'.

/strong stomach


Pretty much, and all the worst case victims seem to be within three to five meters of each other.  The guy who lost his legs is right behind the two women who are being checked for a pulse, and one of them seems to be missing a limb...maybe laying on top of it with that foot sticking out at an unnatural angle.

Not sure what I can really do to help, but when I get to work, I plan on keeping an eye out for anyone who looks to be of Middle Eastern, Indian, or other, similar descent.  I can at least try to be there to help them if some angry, ignorant folk decide to get uppity.  We already had to throw one batch of idiots out of the library last night.

/of to try to get some sleep
//hope my cousins can/have slept...they work at Mass. General
///keep safe and sane, y'all
2013-04-16 05:52:35 AM
2 votes:
Odds are it was one of the 'Big Three' Mediterranean Death Cults. But which one... which one...
2013-04-16 05:30:41 AM
2 votes:
This is the continuation of  http://www.fark.com/comments/7701197 and is a clearinghouse for the latest newslinks related to the Boston bombings as well as discussion about the event.

Please: do NOT post graphic images. If you feel that an image may be too much, simply link to the image with a warning note.
2013-04-17 04:45:35 AM
1 votes:

Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.


Huh...that's not how I remember that thread AT ALL.  Aside from a couple of people, most Farkers were quickly pointing out the holes in her story.  The RL friend who got it greenlit got angry, until it turned out those Farkers were right.

Perception is an interesting thing.
2013-04-17 03:55:06 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: For if it is, this will prove our ideology right once and for all!


Mucky, you know I respect you. And it also pisses me off how many people on Fark always blame Christianity or Right Winged politics everytime there is ANY sort of violent attack in America. If we were on Stormfront.org or the freepers website we would see the same shiat about leftists or democrats or athiests. I think its legit to point out  hypocrisy   no matter where it breeds, and a lot of Farkers are thankfully smart enough to do that.

The types of people that commit these terrorist acts aren't Muslims, they aren't Christians. They aren't Left Wing or Right Wing, they are monsters. Christianity and Islam are religions that promote forgiveness and love. Athiesm isn't a religion, but it also isn't a belief that human beings are worthless. We should all take these attacks for what they are, cruel and sensless, and bullshiat acts by individuals who are mentally ill.
2013-04-16 11:23:03 PM
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2013-04-16 10:03:56 PM
1 votes:

luxup: H31N0US: So much has changed. The proliferation of and ease with which high quality digital photography can be shared almost instantaneously means that it is really a matter of days before we'll know who did this.

And my mom used to tell me instant gratification was bad.


For children, yes.  But not for adults.
2013-04-16 09:58:35 PM
1 votes:

H31N0US: So much has changed. The proliferation of and ease with which high quality digital photography can be shared almost instantaneously means that it is really a matter of days before we'll know who did this.


And my mom used to tell me instant gratification was bad.
2013-04-16 09:56:02 PM
1 votes:
So much has changed. The proliferation of and ease with which high quality digital photography can be shared almost instantaneously means that it is really a matter of days before we'll know who did this.
2013-04-16 09:55:03 PM
1 votes:

jonnyh: ducklord666: Look a little like the one being carried by blue hat guy in those Deadspin pictures linked to earlier in the day?

I think it might look like this (hardly conclusive, given the resolutions of the photos):


[i.imgur.com image 850x356]

I still think that there's something totally off about that guy - that jacket is clearly overstuffed and too big. Weird.


Cinch strap locations match. Not uncommon at all to have two compression straps on a bag that size, but it's also a full zip pack (see where zipper was blow out) as well. That <could> be the dude, but we'll see.

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2013-04-16 09:53:46 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: Would a La Raza type be considered a whte nationalist? I seem to remember people arguing that latinos/spanish/whatevers are considered white people in another thread.


I'm Latino but I look whiter than the whitest person you ever met I guarantee you that and there is no, and I mean no Irish, Scottish or other 'white' blood in me that anyone on either side of the family can track.  My mom and grandma (both born in PR) are and were the same way.

Even on surveys they ask if your white Hispanic or non-white Hispanic.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because they are white doesn't mean their not people too.
2013-04-16 09:44:28 PM
1 votes:
Just read this.  From abut an hour ago I believe...

Investigators are exploring whether the bombs were assembled not far from the scene of Monday's horrific explosions since transporting such improvised devices over any significant distance could trigger a premature detonation, according to a law-enforcement official with knowledge of the matter.

Working with local police, federal agents are canvassing Boston hotels and short-term rentals for clues on where the bombs could have been constructed, the official said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732448500457842643323180 7 060.html
2013-04-16 08:16:54 PM
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2013-04-16 07:43:58 PM
1 votes:

Old Man Winter: I figure it was Patton Oswalt.  Hear me out.
He is a very funny comedian and he can, at times, make very clever observations.
However, in the last five years or so, anytime any tragedy strikes, he releases some boilerplate crap response within minutes.
It is no more than trite mewling but it is quickly reposted, reblogged and promoted to death...presumably because any publicity is good.  If the Queen stubbed her toes, he would have an article explaining why it is all about him up before CNN broke the news.
I figure  like the stereotype fireman/arsonist, he has slid don the slippery slope and now has a need to cause tragedies to try and capitalize on, like some evil spirit the feeds on grief, rather than wait for some other loon to do it.
Or maybe his fans are just insensitive assholes.


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2013-04-16 07:36:45 PM
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SultanofSchwing: Mrbogey: Xcott: [i778.photobucket.com image 850x565]

If that's the 1st bombing in front of the Lenscrafter's then it's goign to have been set next to the building..

http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-deriv in g-some.html

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 475x356]

The scorch mark on the right side is where that dude supposes was the detonation point.


https://maps.google.com/maps?q=lenscrafters+boyleston+st,+boston,+ma &h l=en&ll=42.349721,-71.078749&spn=0.103649,0.222988&sll=42.34903,-71.08 1328&sspn=0.026039,0.055747&t=h&hq=lenscrafters+boyleston+st,+boston,+ ma&radius=15000&z=13&layer=c&cbll=42.349721,-71.078749&panoid=mWFUUFdM YhYKhzRf0VPWdA&cbp=12,345.6,,0,10.46

For reference. The ground and location of the garbage can gives spatial reference. The actual point of the bombing is to the right of the photo of backpack dude (if the scorch marks are the actual point of detonation).
2013-04-16 07:35:28 PM
1 votes:
There's one picture I keep seeing that is consistently captioned as a man trying to comfort a victim, and shows someone kneeling down over a prone body, and all you can see is the victim's hair.  It really gets to me.  I wonder how that victim is.
2013-04-16 07:25:31 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Wicker also voted FOR gun control. We'll see who else gets letters.


Right-wing retard hate is often non-partisan.  Though they often vote republican while gritting their teeth, the truly unhinged ones tend to hate republicans just as much if not more than democrats.
2013-04-16 07:24:22 PM
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2013-04-16 07:21:53 PM
1 votes:
Wicker also voted FOR gun control. We'll see who else gets letters.
2013-04-16 07:18:20 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: ACunningPlan: cretinbob: Ricin has a high rate of false positives. Ironically on of the thing that can trigger a false positive is paper.

Apparently it was tested three times, all positive.  How many make it conclusive?  Not being snarky, just want to know:)

yep, that'd work if it were three seperate test kits.

Depending on the postmark, the letter would have had to have been in the mail for a few days already too. I'm looking up the story now


Thanks:)  The number of tests as reported in the Daily Telegraph:

"23.50 (18.50) This has not been linked to the bombings in Boston, but it has emerged that a letter containing the deadly poison ricin, or another poison, has been sent to US senator Roger Wicker. The envelope was intercepted at the US Capitol's off-site mail-screening centre. The substance was tested three times, coming up positive each time. Ricin is highly toxic, just 500 micrograms can kill an adult."
2013-04-16 07:16:29 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: jonnyh: They found an unexploded bomb by the finish line. That shot is by the finish line. One of the helpfully marked folks in this picture was likely carrying it:

you missed the unattended backpack


Holy shiat you're right!  It's at the very top of the picture, a third of the way from the left, next to the big tire and to the left of the wastebasket.
2013-04-16 07:14:37 PM
1 votes:
Apparently a bomb exploded in Atlanta, does anyone heard or seen anything?.
2013-04-16 07:11:46 PM
1 votes:

ACunningPlan: cretinbob: Ricin has a high rate of false positives. Ironically on of the thing that can trigger a false positive is paper.

Apparently it was tested three times, all positive.  How many make it conclusive?  Not being snarky, just want to know:)


yep, that'd work if it were three seperate test kits.

Depending on the postmark, the letter would have had to have been in the mail for a few days already too. I'm looking up the story now
2013-04-16 07:06:23 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Ricin has a high rate of false positives. Ironically on of the thing that can trigger a false positive is paper.


Apparently it was tested three times, all positive.  How many make it conclusive?  Not being snarky, just want to know:)
2013-04-16 07:02:06 PM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: luxup: Since we don't know who is responsible at this point I say we stop blaming particular cultures and instead blame cultural influences.  That is way I say we should be blaming this on either Rap or Heavy Metal music.

I know is not fair to those who may listen to either (or both) but I just think the arguments will be more entertaining.

Really it's the rapmetal the kids are listening to these days that's the real bad influence.


So, we should put Fred Durst in the chair is what you're saying?

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2013-04-16 06:59:21 PM
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2013-04-16 06:38:36 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: Shryke: Felgraf: are doing blanket blaming and demonization of 'fark lefties'

Read the thread, slick? Some of them are openly desperate for this to be a conservative American. Repugnant. Demonization impossible.

SInce the Conservative Americas have been whinning the loudest and threatening violence, odds are pretty high that yes, it's a Teabagger. Sure, it's not 100% and the recent uptick in neo-nazi violence needs to be taken into account as well, but the last I knew they weren't very liberal either.
The bottom line is, if you don't want people to think you are some dumb farking asshole that would pull some bullshiat like this, don't associate with dumb farking assholes that would pull bullshiat like this.


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Jesse Ventura?
2013-04-16 06:37:53 PM
1 votes:
Just got the following from our security folks...

The bombing of the Boston Marathon, 15 April 2013, does not just mean an increased threat level across the country and globe, but includes new and recycled Internet scams. Major events tend to attract malicious individuals who use the event for their gain.


Threats: Internet watch groups and cyber security experts have already identified multiple fake domains/websites, and charity efforts taking advantage of the Boston Marathon bombing. Based on previous tragedies, more scams will follow in the coming days. Internet users need to apply a critical eye and conduct due diligence before clicking links, visiting websites, or making donations.

·Entities with unknown intentions registered over 125 domain names associated with the Boston Marathon bombings and victims, in the hours after the incident. The majority of these new domains use a combination of the words "Boston," "Marathon," "2013," "bomb," "explosions," "attack," "victims," and "donate" and should be viewed with caution. More domains are likely to follow.

·Malicious persons are using social networking websites to spread hoaxes, including information regarding the purported death of several child runners (children are not allowed to participate in the Boston Marathon), and injured runners purportedly running for a variety of charities and causes.

·Phishing emails may provide links to malicious websites purporting to contain information, pictures, and video, or may contain attachments with embedded malware. Clicking on the links or opening the attachments can infect the victim's computer to further malicious activity.

·Multiple fake charities were created on social networking websites within minutes of the explosions purporting to collect funds for victims. Traditionally, these websites are scams.


Action: Users should adhere to the following guidelines when reacting to large news events, including news associated with the Boston Marathon bombing, and solicitations for donations:

•Be cautious of emails/websites that claim to provide information because they may contain viruses.

•Do not open unsolicited (spam) emails, or click on the links/attachments contained in those messages.

•Never reveal personal or financial information in email.

•Do not go to untrusted or unfamiliar websites to view the event or information regarding it.

•Never send sensitive information over the Internet before checking a website's security and confirming its legitimacy. Malicious websites may look identical to a legitimate site, but the URL may use a variation in spelling or a different domain (e.g., .com vs. .net)
2013-04-16 06:33:11 PM
1 votes:

SultanofSchwing: North Koreans eat rice!!!1!!!!1


No, they eat worms and grass and twigs.

Yes the pressure cooker bomb is oooollllldddddd.
I loved the Anarchist Cookbook.
2013-04-16 06:28:19 PM
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InmanRoshi: Since we're just suppose to dismiss the last time a crazed right winger blew up a random sporting event as an "outlier:".


...the date chosen for the attack, the city in which the attack took place, for what the event at which the attack took place was dedicated...

You know, anything that might actually indicate this was right-wing, domestic terror, just ignore that. It doesn't count.
2013-04-16 06:20:59 PM
1 votes:
CNN is reporting that an envelope sent to congress tested positive for ricin
2013-04-16 06:16:31 PM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: Images from Liveleak-VERY GRAPHIC AND REALLY DISTURBING

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507

There's also a warning before you see the pictures,honestly you'd probably be better off not seeing them.


For all the gore and horror in most of those photos, it was the elderly lady in the wheelchair with the glazed eyes who was steadfastly clutching her handbag that made me cry.

FFS. Old women. Kids. Why the fark do people do this to people.
2013-04-16 05:51:39 PM
1 votes:

ShadowKamui: Stop lying your ass off about the responsibility claim, its complete and utter BS. You are just making up sh**, the Christian extremists you keep on going off on targeted abortion clinics and doctors w/ shrapnel bombs (usually run of the mill pipe bombs) and bogus anthrax claims. They have never once been implicated in random civilian targeting other than the loose association w/ the Olympic bomber, that's it.


Exactly how many "random civilian targetings" have Al Qaeda been involved in on American soil?      Certainly 9/11 doesn't count, since both targets were highly politically symbolic.
2013-04-16 05:44:31 PM
1 votes:

CNichols: According to Boston police press conference, the bombs were constructed from pressure cookers hidden in black nylon bags. Possibly packed to BBs and gun powder.

Pressure cookers are definite - they had photos of the shattered cooker.


Other pressure cooker bombs.
2013-04-16 05:35:24 PM
1 votes:

echomike23: damn

[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 662x686]


Pic doesn't add up. Too many people.... would've been taken from 50 feet above the middle of the road... none of the people in the horror pictures can be seen.. and, most telling of all, the 8-year-old is on top of a grown man's shoulders, and his dad was running in the race. I'm calling bullshiat on that one.
2013-04-16 05:30:32 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Felgraf: are doing blanket blaming and demonization of 'fark lefties'

Read the thread, slick? Some of them are openly desperate for this to be a conservative American. Repugnant. Demonization impossible.


SInce the Conservative Americas have been whinning the loudest and threatening violence, odds are pretty high that yes, it's a Teabagger. Sure, it's not 100% and the recent uptick in neo-nazi violence needs to be taken into account as well, but the last I knew they weren't very liberal either.
The bottom line is, if you don't want people to think you are some dumb farking asshole that would pull some bullshiat like this, don't associate with dumb farking assholes that would pull bullshiat like this.

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2013-04-16 05:19:35 PM
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: No southern native says "you people."

The proper term is y'all.


Point of order!

"Y'all" is singular.

The plural is "all y'all".

Pete_T_Mann: Yeah, from what I've read the tactics and materials used were textbook Al Qaeda. At least that's what the information by soldiers who have dealt with this kind of thing indicate.


You know, the engine in my car has pistons fueled by gasoline that turn the drive shafts!  Just like Al Qaeda's vehicles!  I must be one of them!

What work, works, whoever designed it.  I build my shed from plans I got off the internet.  Does that mean I'm part of the company that published them?
2013-04-16 05:17:41 PM
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Explosives manuals involving pressure cookers such as those reportedly used in the bombings in Boston have been distributed on jihadist forums in the past years and most recently appeared in an al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)-produced compilation called the "Lone Mujahid Pocketbook", reports the SITE Intelligence Group.

A manual for a homemade explosive using a pressure cooker with shrapnel inside was featured in the widely-distributed first issue of AQAP's English-language magazine, "Inspire." The article in which it appeared, "Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom," also shows a picture of a backpack concealing the explosive.

The first issue of "Inspire," and its manuals section in particular, was also discussed among white supremacists, who found it and other al-Qaeda manuals beneficial for their strategies, reports SITE. One such discussion took place on the popular forum Stormfront in September 2011, where members distributed copies of the manuals and one called them "highly recommended reading".


http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-bombs-were-p la ced-in-6-litre-pressure-cookers-used-nails-and-bbs-to-maim/

It's like a murdurous nutjob TedTalk.
2013-04-16 05:16:30 PM
1 votes:

Pete_T_Mann: SultanofSchwing: Pete_T_Mann: ShadowKamui: SuperNinjaToad: Skarekrough: So, does it not seem odd that no group or organization has gone and taken responsibility for this?

Doesn't that generally happen within 24 hours?  Would that not denote that it was one person rather than a group effort?

which points more and more toward domestic. Usually with AQ/Islamist types they want to advertise their work to further show their hatred for The Great Satan.... Domestic white power type groups OTOH usually prefers anonymity.

Seriously stop trying to spread this stupid lie to blame Teatards

AQ took 3 YEARS for 9-11, they took over 2 months for the London bombings.  Even the Spanish train bombings took them a couple of days before they admitted to doing it.

The only evidence know right now is that the bombs match the exact description of an AQ "how to" manual and it targeted random civilians.

Other than 1 bombing 17 years ago, all right wing targets were either racist, anti-gay, anti-government or anti-abortion oriented.

Yeah, from what I've read the tactics and materials used were textbook Al Qaeda. At least that's what the information by soldiers who have dealt with this kind of thing indicate.

But that has also been pretty public knowledge for a while now, even more so when AQ's rag/magazine or whatever detailed how to build them some time ago.  Again, it doesn't take a total genius to put explosives into a vessel with a bunch of crap around it.  Swordfish probably tought an entire generation of people who watch bad movies, that ball bearings make explosions more explodey.

Its just not the bombs, but the method of having one detonation then another a few seconds later to catch people that are frozen, or responding, ect. Apparently this is pretty common for them. It could be some other group, but I'd think that radical right wingers wouldn't want to follow AQ plans b/c they hate them. And the target is more in line with AQ than others.  I'd say its a homegrown AQ sympa ...


Same tactic is again shown in movies like The Kingdom.  Damn...movies show a lot of this stuff lol.  Not trying to be argumentative, just it's hard to place a label on any culprit because signatures like these imo are just too obvious.
2013-04-16 05:12:32 PM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: Fox is now saying that 'pressure cookers' were used for the bombs and that they were in the same style as Iraq/Afghanistan IEDs. They're saying the pressure cookers were used as the timing device. Does that make sense to anyone? Seems a bit rube goldberg given how cheap, reliable, and available other types of timing devices are these days. Bizarre.


Fox?  Really?  Why don't you just get your news from a group of special-needs 5-year-olds?  It'd be more accurate...
2013-04-16 05:05:00 PM
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Felgraf: ShadowKamui: The only evidence know right now is that the bombs match the exact description of an AQ "how to" manual and it targeted random civilians.

Didn't they find a bomb like this (Sort of-pipe bomb, ball bearings) on a bridge before an MLK parade in 2011?


The inclusion of material to serve as shrapnel (nails, bbs, ball bearings, even rocks) is pipe-bomb 101.  Everybody does it.

The use of a pressure cooker as the casing and random civilian targeting are the things that point more to AQ.
2013-04-16 04:54:44 PM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Felgraf: ShadowKamui: The only evidence know right now is that the bombs match the exact description of an AQ "how to" manual and it targeted random civilians.

Didn't they find a bomb like this (Sort of-pipe bomb, ball bearings) on a bridge before an MLK parade in 2011?

Yep.

I think ultimately it will turn out to be a lone male in his twenties or thirties. Whether he was motivated by Islam, antigovernment rage, some left-wing cause, or anger at 26.2 mile stickers is all pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Doesn't validate or invalidate any one of those things.


  I'm also inclined to believe it was just a lone male nutjob, who probably doesn't have any discernable (or at least coherent) political motive.  .    I think it will probably be a Boston local, where the marathon holds way more significance than it does for anyone else.

I imagine somewhere in the deepest, darkest recesses of the intrawebbings there are sites detailing how to make homemade land mines, and "ball bearings in a pressure cooker" is a pretty ubiquitous recipe.    I don't look into too much into that.
2013-04-16 04:47:06 PM
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Felgraf: ShadowKamui: The only evidence know right now is that the bombs match the exact description of an AQ "how to" manual and it targeted random civilians.

Didn't they find a bomb like this (Sort of-pipe bomb, ball bearings) on a bridge before an MLK parade in 2011?


Yep.

I think ultimately it will turn out to be a lone male in his twenties or thirties.  Whether he was motivated by Islam, antigovernment rage, some left-wing cause, or anger at 26.2 mile stickers is all pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  Doesn't validate or invalidate any one of those things.
2013-04-16 04:45:03 PM
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star_topology: Ctrl + F: "Ban Pressure Cookers" ...  No results found.

Where are all the trolls!?


We learned our lesson. Let's see, after the last national "conversation" that you hoplophobes insisted on having, AR15 sales went through the roof, ammunition is sold out, and every meth head from here to Muskogee has an arsenal that'll get sold on the gray market as soon as times get tough.

I'm an actual pressure cooker owner, and without my pressure cooker it's going to be a f*cking nightmare cooking adzuki beans. I love adzuki beans btw. But I'm sure you'll say that only restaurants and chefs need pressure cookers, and that there is nothing you can cook in a pressure cooker that can't be done with an open flame. So I'm just going to keep my mouth shut this time.
2013-04-16 04:37:24 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: Shryke: Felgraf: are doing blanket blaming and demonization of 'fark lefties'

Read the thread, slick? Some of them are openly desperate for this to be a conservative American. Repugnant. Demonization impossible.

Honestly, for all anyone here knows it could be.  It could also be a Greenpeace member (do they even exist anymore?), an apolitical nut who hates taxes, a political nut who hates taxes, an unstable nut who likes blowing shiat up, or any number of things.  After looking at the way people in this thread are behaving toward each other (not ALL of them, just most) I kind of wonder what the point is any more.  The whole country has become nothing but a lot of "us and them" conversations.  Everyone expects everyone else to agree totally with their viewpoint or GTFO.  There is no way this country could have prospered for as long as it did if everyone was acting like this the whole time.  Where did we go wrong?

by giving any idiot access to the internet, probably

I think you may be right.  I blame AOL.

was at my wife's grandmother's 91st birthday this weekend my wife's mother's cousin asked me "You're a computer guy. have you noticed that AOL is slow recently."
Hehe, sorry, I haven't.

I once had someone ask me to load the internet on their PC.  I asked them if they wanted the whole thing, or just a few select sites.

hehe, old people


Got one for you... I was an assistant at a computer lab when I was in school. Every night, this elderly gentleman would come in and attempt to wave his hand in front of the screen to turn the Mac on. Another assistant told me he must have inadvertently hit the mouse one time while doing this and when the desk top appeared, he just assumed it was the hand motion that "turned on" the system.

I felt bad for the guy, so I told him about sleep mode and how you just need to move the mouse or hit a key on the keyboard... But only after he came up to me to get help because the system wasn't turning on using his usual method. I just didn't want to spoil the magic for him...
2013-04-16 04:29:13 PM
1 votes:

sethen320: Shryke: Felgraf: are doing blanket blaming and demonization of 'fark lefties'

Read the thread, slick? Some of them are openly desperate for this to be a conservative American. Repugnant. Demonization impossible.

Honestly, for all anyone here knows it could be.  It could also be a Greenpeace member (do they even exist anymore?), an apolitical nut who hates taxes, a political nut who hates taxes, an unstable nut who likes blowing shiat up, or any number of things.  After looking at the way people in this thread are behaving toward each other (not ALL of them, just most) I kind of wonder what the point is any more.  The whole country has become nothing but a lot of "us and them" conversations.  Everyone expects everyone else to agree totally with their viewpoint or GTFO.  There is no way this country could have prospered for as long as it did if everyone was acting like this the whole time.  Where did we go wrong?


America has never been a homogenous nation politically, racially or culturually.   There's no sign that it's any worse today than it was when this was happening during the culture wars of the 60s.  Or the Civil Rights riots/marches before that.  Or the Red Scare/McCarthyism before that.   Or the Food Riots of the Great Depresion before that.    Or the labor wars and things like the Tompkins Square Riots.    And then we get into that whole Civil War stuff.  etc.   

The internet has changed its that more people with more diverse backgrounds and viewpoints actually get a chance to interact and butt heads, as opposed to relegating them as some unknown "other".    In 1954, how many times did a white segregationist from Alabama actually get a chance to interact with a Massachusetts liberal and voice his opinion why Brown vs. Board of Education was a horrible thing?   Still, those divisions existed all the same.
2013-04-16 04:13:13 PM
1 votes:

sethen320: After looking at the way people in this thread are behaving toward each other (not ALL of them, just most) I kind of wonder what the point is any more. The whole country has become nothing but a lot of "us and them" conversations. Everyone expects everyone else to agree totally with their viewpoint or GTFO. There is no way this country could have prospered for as long as it did if everyone was acting like this the whole time. Where did we go wrong?


I think your misstep was in expecting rationality from an Internet debate... (Especially one on Fark!)

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2013-04-16 04:00:50 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Read the thread, slick? Some of them are openly desperate for this to be a conservative American. Repugnant. Demonization impossible.


And some people on the previous thread were openly desperate for it to be a muslim, if what's been posted in this thread counts as 'desperate'.
2013-04-16 03:56:35 PM
1 votes:

SultanofSchwing: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7701878/83649149#c83649149" target="_blank">Theory Of Null</a>:</b> <i>Isn't it weird American Airlines grounded flights today? I wonder if they are just grounding them to be safe and using a computer glitch as an excuse.

Now that is a more believable conspiracy.</i>

American Airlines being shiatty is a cause for concern?


Could be. Maybe the Boston Marathon bombings yesterday were symbolic of something bigger to come. Maybe the perps that did it are saying the races have begun or a marathon of tragedy.
///just trying to make conversation
2013-04-16 03:53:38 PM
1 votes:
I cannot wait for all the relief, self-congratulations and gleeful, told-you-so finger-pointing on Fark once it is determined who actually is responsible.  Not sure I've ever seen so many who are relying on one event to validate their world-view.  Whichever side is correct will become even more insufferable.
2013-04-16 03:51:52 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: The My Little Pony Killer: Do you really not see how you're doing the exact same thing?

I am not. Fark lefties =/= all lefties.


Tea baggers!= All right wingers.

rightwing nutjob != all right wingers.

"I think this guy may have been a teabag nutjob"!=All teaparty members are terrorists and would kill people.
2013-04-16 03:47:31 PM
1 votes:

ducklord666: No, but it WAS his Unbirthday.

/ You now have the music from the Tea Cups ride in your head.

2013-04-16 03:44:40 PM
1 votes:
sethen320:  Latinwolf: sethen320:  Latinwolf: sethen320:  Latinwolf: A Fark Handle:  is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?
/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.
I'm guessing you're a Libertarian since lack of empathy is a Libertarian trait.
Really?  Everything going on and this is the best comment you can come up with?  A political insult?  Fark you and whatever party you associate with.  I'm not going to try and stereotype you, I just don't like you.
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STOP PICKING ON LIBERTARIANS!
Stop picking on republicans, democrats, whatever. You were being a douche.  You could have responded with any number of intelligent or even witty comebacks to the OP, but instead you took the low road and look like an idiot for it.
Kid, see the bold part?  Other people in this thread have done the same and worse.  You became a whiny little biatch because of the target I picked.
It just happened to be where I jumped in.  I'm not the bully-police.  I have a job which consumes a large amount of my time during the day.  I cannot possibly answer to every post of someone acting like a tw@t, nor do I want to.  I'm sorry if I hurt your little feelings by calling you out.


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2013-04-16 03:37:51 PM
1 votes:

ottosmom: Bill Richard went to college with a good friend of mine, and I actually know a couple of people who knew him and his wife, Denise. The word is the Westboro Baptist Church is going to protest the funerals of the victims, and my friend Bob has asked me to share the following message:

It has been brought to my attention that the Westboro Baptist Church is threatening to protest funerals associated with yesterday's abomination. An old friend lost his son. I humbly ask any friends to make sure this does not impact my friend or his surviving family. Police, Fire, bikers, and anybody else who cares- please share this and make sure that WBC is contained. Even if they do not show, you can pay your respects to a beautiful little boy who was cut down by vermin.

I will post info as it becomes available.

Please share. Thank you.


They never lose their touch, don't they.

/Fark the WBC
//Calling in the boston punk scene, damn it!
2013-04-16 03:35:43 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Yet, here comes the Fark Lefties, bunching them in with murderers. This is called collective demonization. Got it?


Are you done protesting too much? 'Cause I'm gonna have to get more popcorn.
2013-04-16 03:33:47 PM
1 votes:

sethen320: whidbey: InmanRoshi: Deucednuisance: Shryke: A right wing maniac would target a government facility of some type. Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

 I didn't say it was sane.

 Right-wingers  oftenattack symbolic facilities, but not exclusively.  Read the very nice essay, supra, re: Christian Identity and Army of God bombings.

 If symbolism is necessary, it can be found in Tax and Patriot's Days.

Also the 70th Anniversary of the publication of The Fountainhead.

AKA Fountain of Derp how fitting

That book is a rough read and absolutely not worth it.


If the perpetrator would have sealed off the explosives in a hardcopy version The Fountainhead and duct taped it sealed shut, I'm pretty sure the death toll would have been triple that of the pressure cooker.
2013-04-16 03:29:59 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Moopy Mac: It's almost assuredly a right-winger. That's a very safe assumption. The only question is the specific ideology being espoused.

Ah. The "all evil is on the right" construct. Let me guess: Al Qaeda and all those lot are "right-wingers" to you, yes? Sure beats actually thinking about shiat, right?

The word Islamist means something.

Continue please.


"The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".

You are right, that doesn't apply to Islamic Fundamentalists at all.

Words have meanings.

Islamism is a religious and political ideology that is not necessarily violent. Militant Islamism, OTOH, is by definition violent.

Islamism and Dominionism are synonymous (other than the obvious difference in the religion of their adherents).
2013-04-16 03:29:51 PM
1 votes:

jack21221: PunGent: Stoj: Alonjar: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.

Amazingly, I just heard that doctors are reporting that basically "anyone who came into the hospital alive" will live.

We have no-fooling world-class grade-A hospitals here.

And a ton of them too. Brigham, MGH, Children's, Beth Israel, BMC... For those that lost limbs, we have Spaulding Rehab right here. We have a lot.


It was another tragedy in Boston's history, the infamous Cocoanut Grove Fire which killed 492 people (and was the worst nightclub disaster in American history) that helped Boston's reputation as a center of advanced health care.  There were so many burn victims that MGH and others made some very rapid advances in burn care that undoubtedly saved many other lives.
2013-04-16 03:28:34 PM
1 votes:

that bosnian sniper: Now, the interesting thing here is that if someone says "well, it was probably a right-winger who did it" you take it as a blanket indictment of the entire right wing in America. When something like this happens and people draw conclusions -- no matter how parsimonious, reasonable, or otherwise they may be -- that itprobably was an act by a violent right-winger, evenmoderate conservatives who wouldn't even intone they condone violence in any way, circle the wagons and act as if they personallyare being indicted of something.What does it say of you, that you associateyourself strongly enough with the white supremacists, anarcho-survivalists, militia movement, and religious extremists who make up the violent right wing, that you can't distinguish whenthey are being called outand whenyou are being called out?

Now, I'm a pretty radical leftist. For the myriad of my views, I condemn violence especially when it comes from people who share ideologies with myself. I don't defend them, and I don't count them for their violent proclivities as "one of my own". When a left-winger does something violent, my first reaction to it isn't to circle the wagons or innately jump to the conclusionI ormy ideology isn't being targeted by association, unless of course someone directly accusesme.


Yeah, I'm left of center, and I could give a fark-all if this was some neo-anarchic leftist wing nut group.  They have fark-all to do with me or what I believe.   I hope they fry either way.

But the sheer numbers of people who have raced in here to defensively circle the wagons really shows how many fringe right wing wackadoodles are running out there in society.   Kinda frightening.
2013-04-16 03:27:14 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: Shryke: Ah. The "all evil is on the right" construct. Let me guess: Al Qaeda and all those lot are "right-wingers" to you, yes? Sure beats actually thinking about shiat, right?

They are pretty much the epitome of "right wing" in any sense of the word, yes.


Authoritarian theocrats, sounds right wing to me.
2013-04-16 03:23:06 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: vygramul: It's about as ironic as saying, "Fark NAZIs and their hate."

Funny, it's you guys insisting the government put its boot on the neck of the "ZOMG TEABAGGERS".


Now, the interesting thing here is that if someone says "well, it was probably a right-winger who did it" you take it as a blanket indictment of the entire right wing in America. When something like this happens and people draw conclusions -- no matter how parsimonious, reasonable, or otherwise they may be -- that itprobably was an act by a violent right-winger, evenmoderate conservatives who wouldn't even intone they condone violence in any way, circle the wagons and act as if they personallyare being indicted of something.What does it say of you, that you associateyourself strongly enough with the white supremacists, anarcho-survivalists, militia movement, and religious extremists who make up the violent right wing, that you can't distinguish whenthey are being called outand whenyou are being called out?

Now, I'm a pretty radical leftist. For the myriad of my views,  I condemn violence  especially when it comes from people who share ideologies with myself. I don't defend them, and I don't count them for their violent proclivities as "one of my own". When a left-winger does something violent, my first reaction to it isn't to circle the wagons or innately jump to the conclusionI ormy ideology isn't being targeted by association, unless of course someone directly accusesme.
2013-04-16 03:21:55 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: Deucednuisance: Shryke: A right wing maniac would target a government facility of some type. Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

 I didn't say it was sane.

 Right-wingers  oftenattack symbolic facilities, but not exclusively.  Read the very nice essay, supra, re: Christian Identity and Army of God bombings.

 If symbolism is necessary, it can be found in Tax and Patriot's Days.

Also the 70th Anniversary of the publication of The Fountainhead.


AKA Fountain of Derp how fitting
2013-04-16 03:18:46 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: InmanRoshi: They are pretty much the epitome of "right wing" in my sense of the word, yes.

Corrected.

Mashing everyone you dislike into one political spectrum might be convenient, but it is intellectually lazy.


+1 astonishing
2013-04-16 03:17:41 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: skullkrusher: InmanRoshi: Deucednuisance: Shryke: A right wing maniac would target a government facility of some type. Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

 I didn't say it was sane.

 Right-wingers  oftenattack symbolic facilities, but not exclusively.  Read the very nice essay, supra, re: Christian Identity and Army of God bombings.

 If symbolism is necessary, it can be found in Tax and Patriot's Days.

Also the 70th Anniversary of the publication of The Fountainhead.

discussing what we know just ain't enough, huh?

Ouch, that mention of the Fountainhead hit a little too close to home, hun?

Who knows anything?   Certainly not the NY Post.


no. I'm not a Rand fan.  Terrorism hits close to home though and the glee you feel that this might've been done by a right wing nut job is palpable. It's farking disgusting.
2013-04-16 03:15:22 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Moopy Mac: It's almost assuredly a right-winger. That's a very safe assumption. The only question is the specific ideology being espoused.

Ah. The "all evil is on the right" construct. Let me guess: Al Qaeda and all those lot are "right-wingers" to you, yes? Sure beats actually thinking about shiat, right?

The word Islamist means something.

Continue please.


Well, let's see.

They follow the word of God
They do not believe in giving equal rights to women, the LGBT community, those not of their race, and non-believers
They despise Europe
They are backed up by the oil industry (Saudis)
They claim they are 'heroes of the downtrodden', yet their leaders do not show face
2013-04-16 03:14:45 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: PartTimeBuddha: Whaddaya mean, 'your ilk'?

Hypocritical leftists, convinced of moral superiority whilst constantly demonizing and castigating everyone that doesn't share their mindset. Read this thread a bit.


GODDAMN those hypocritical leftists!  Why can't they just be hypocritical conservative nutbags?
2013-04-16 03:13:45 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: PartTimeBuddha: Whaddaya mean, 'your ilk'?

Hypocritical leftists, convinced of moral superiority whilst constantly demonizing and castigating everyone that doesn't share their mindset. Read this thread a bit.


As opposed to you. Clearly, you are in no way criticizing all leftists as hypocrites, and aren't demonizing and castigating everyone that doesn't share your mindset.
2013-04-16 03:09:10 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Ah. The "all evil is on the right" construct. Let me guess: Al Qaeda and all those lot are "right-wingers" to you, yes? Sure beats actually thinking about shiat, right?


They are pretty much the epitome of "right wing" in any sense of the word, yes.
2013-04-16 03:05:16 PM
1 votes:
Condolences to any Boston or Massachusetts farkers and their families/friends. Cowardly act of senseless violence.
2013-04-16 03:03:01 PM
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: Shryke: A right wing maniac would target a government facility of some type. Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

 I didn't say it was sane.

 Right-wingers  oftenattack symbolic facilities, but not exclusively.  Read the very nice essay, supra, re: Christian Identity and Army of God bombings.

 If symbolism is necessary, it can be found in Tax and Patriot's Days.


And then there's the Phineas Priests.
2013-04-16 03:01:28 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: A right wing maniac would target a government facility of some type. Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.


 I didn't say it was sane.

 Right-wingers  oftenattack symbolic facilities, but not exclusively.  Read the very nice essay, supra, re: Christian Identity and Army of God bombings.

 If symbolism is necessary, it can be found in Tax and Patriot's Days.
2013-04-16 03:00:26 PM
1 votes:

plaidhat: Children's Hospital Boston has an Amazon wishlist through Child's Play.


Thanks.
2013-04-16 02:58:49 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Shryke: Flab: Shryke: Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

Explain the Atlanta Olympics bombing, then.

I can't explain insane acts. An anti-abortion nut job bombed a world gathering - 17 years ago. You may insist this implicates everyone to the right of you as a probable terrorist, but it doesn't.

Incidentally, the Olympic Park bombing explained his actions to destabilize the US because the Olympics were a symbol of global socialism and also some ranting about abortions being too easy to get.


Yeah, that's the thing.  The right-wing (and left-wing) tradition of domestic terrorists targeting government buildings is not likely to keep a whackjob from doing so.  Terrorism evolves.  Twenty years ago Fred Phelps was a guy that made Al Gore uncomfortable.  Now he's a nutbag protesting everyone and everything's funeral.  Eric Rudolph went from targeting abortion clinics to the Olympics.

You really can't rule out anyone at this point, aside from one twenty-year-old Saudi national.
2013-04-16 02:55:14 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: The Southern Dandy: You don't feel that way about Muslim, I bet.

About Muslims? No, I don't. Islamists? Yes, I do. I recognize the huge difference between them, however.


I reckon the difference between islamic terrorists and islamists is probably equivalent to the difference between tea baggers and right-wing terrorists.
2013-04-16 02:55:12 PM
1 votes:

fatalvenom: keylock71: Al_Ed: Holy sh*t! There are some God-awful pictures out there!!

Horrific... The one that really sums up the day for me is the one of the young man kneeling over a woman or girl lying on the sidewalk while an EMT works on her lower body. There is blood splatter all around, discarded American flag shoulder bags in the foreground and you can just see "Boston" on a small sign behind the subjects.

Not nearly as graphic as some of the other photos, but it's a really powerful image in my opinion.


First time I've seen you on here since this shiat when down. Glad to see you're OK.


Thanks, man. : )

I don't do much running of any kind... especially the organized 26 mile kind.

Had some of my students up there volunteering their physical therapy skill for runners, but, thankfully, they're all safe and back home, as well.

I've been lurking in these threads, mostly. Don't really know what to say about this, honestly. Yeah, obviously, it's tragic and heart-wrenching, but I'm not prone to wild speculation and I'm certainly not going to get into a partisan pissing match over it.

All I'll say, I'm saddened by the loss of life and maiming in a town I hold dear to my heart and I hope they figure out who is responsible, try them, convict them, and then lock them away for the rest of their miserable, hateful lives.
2013-04-16 02:54:43 PM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: You, on the other hand, seem to be overly defensive


Hardly. This thread and the prior thread are filled with guilty verdicts from the Fark Lefty Brigade Of Tolerance.  Every farking page.

there is no way a derpy right wing anti-government wackadoodle  could carry out a bombing

Of course there is a way. This may very well be an insane right winger. Got that?
2013-04-16 02:54:18 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Shryke: Flab: Shryke: Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

Explain the Atlanta Olympics bombing, then.

I can't explain insane acts. An anti-abortion nut job bombed a world gathering - 17 years ago. You may insist this implicates everyone to the right of you as a probable terrorist, but it doesn't.

Incidentally, the Olympic Park bombing explained his actions to destabilize the US because the Olympics were a symbol of global socialism and also some ranting about abortions being too easy to get.


The irony in this is that the Atlanta Olympics were criticized quite a bit because many thought it was over-commercialized.

Although to be fair, that did help make it a fiscally solvent event.
2013-04-16 02:51:24 PM
1 votes:

Skarekrough: So, does it not seem odd that no group or organization has gone and taken responsibility for this?

Doesn't that generally happen within 24 hours?  Would that not denote that it was one person rather than a group effort?


which points more and more toward domestic. Usually with AQ/Islamist types they want to advertise their work to further show their hatred for The Great Satan.... Domestic white power type groups OTOH usually prefers anonymity.
2013-04-16 02:51:15 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons. But whatever, i just want the people found and hung. My heart and thoughts go out to all the victims.

Don't be idiotic. Yes, it could be Islamic militants...but it could just as easily be a neo-Nazi, or an Eric Rudolph-style psychotic Christian, or any number of other lunatics.


Speaking of Neo-Nazis.
2013-04-16 02:49:47 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Flab: Shryke: Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

Explain the Atlanta Olympics bombing, then.

I can't explain insane acts. An anti-abortion nut job bombed a world gathering - 17 years ago. You may insist this implicates everyone to the right of you as a probable terrorist, but it doesn't.


Incidentally, the Olympic Park bombing explained his actions to destabilize the US because the Olympics were a symbol of global socialism and also some ranting about abortions being too easy to get.
2013-04-16 02:47:57 PM
1 votes:
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/posts/511410195589598

Pressure Cooker Bomb

In Nepal, Pakistan, and India, pressure cooker bombs have been common. The pressure cookers can make powerful IEDs.

Many Nepalese (during my 13 trips there, I have gotten an earful) were angry because police and Army would seize their pressure cookers and not return them.

This might sound strange or inconsequential from afar, but for people who live at high altitudes with little fuel, pressure cookers are as important as running water. It is difficult to cook well and cheaply without a pressure cooker.

People can survive at altitude without a pressure cooker, but it makes life a lot tougher and more expensive in time and money (and trees).

Seizing the pressure cookers fed into the insurgency in Nepal. Every confiscated pressure cooker built the insurgency pressure.

I spent a lot of time with Maoists in Nepal. Many months. They were not evil people. They were just trying to get along. I used to tell Maoists that Maoism will never work, and we would argue and finally they would laugh it off.

The Maoists won. They were good fighters. After they won, even the Maoist are not laughing now. The Maoists are worse than what they replaced and many Maoists now see that.

But at least they can have pressure cookers again.

http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/04/08/pressure-cooker-bomb-recovere d- from-rickshaw-in-karachi/
2013-04-16 02:47:11 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: Flab: Shryke: Blowing up marathons doesn't fit any right wing political narrative.

Explain the Atlanta Olympics bombing, then.

I can't explain insane acts. An anti-abortion nut job bombed a world gathering - 17 years ago. You may insist this implicates everyone to the right of you as a probable terrorist, but it doesn't.


You don't feel that way about Muslim, I bet.
2013-04-16 02:39:45 PM
1 votes:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-boston-marathon-explosions-201 3 0416,0,4548564.story

Confirming that black powder was used as the explosive charge, and ball bearings used as added shrapnel devices.

/take that, earlier-poster-who-called-someone-an-idiot-for-believing-it-was-ball-b earings
2013-04-16 02:37:00 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: Alonjar: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.

Amazingly, I just heard that doctors are reporting that basically "anyone who came into the hospital alive" will live.


We have no-fooling world-class grade-A hospitals here.
2013-04-16 02:36:01 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: The NY Post reported that there was a Saudi suspect. There was.

Was he ever a suspect though? (honest question)

I know he was interrogated by the FBI after the event and had his home searched but never had I heard outside of Fox/NYPost that he was ever a "suspect".

Sorry to be pedantic. But it really seems to me that NY Post gets information that is legitimate but jumps to its own conclusions with it.

If he was interrogated and had his house searched, that makes him a suspect doesn't it?

maybe a "person of interest"? I dunno where the line is crossed. Searching a guy's home has gotta be close to it though :)


Valid point.

All I know is that all the media outlets outside of Fox were very reluctant to label him as a "suspect".

He was probably a "person of interest" who after the search interrogation became a "witness".

That's my guess anyway...
2013-04-16 02:33:07 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: mmagdalene: jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html

How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?

You're not alone.  I thought the same thing.  Maybe so he could be the hero and save someone, where he couldn't save his son.
I feel so filthy even thinking that, after his heroic deeds, but I think it should be investigated.



OOOOKayyyyy. Heck, maybe it was one of the merchandise looters. The bombs were just a distraction so they could get to those sweet marathon T shirts and ebay them.
2013-04-16 02:32:19 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: mmagdalene: jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html

How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?

You're not alone.  I thought the same thing.  Maybe so he could be the hero and save someone, where he couldn't save his son.
I feel so filthy even thinking that, after his heroic deeds, but I think it should be investigated.


Are you farking serious?
2013-04-16 02:32:15 PM
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: mmagdalene: jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html

How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?

You're not alone.  I thought the same thing.  Maybe so he could be the hero and save someone, where he couldn't save his son.
I feel so filthy even thinking that, after his heroic deeds, but I think it should be investigated.


You're both idiots.
2013-04-16 02:30:34 PM
1 votes:

mmagdalene: jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html

How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?


You're not alone.  I thought the same thing.  Maybe so he could be the hero and save someone, where he couldn't save his son.
I feel so filthy even thinking that, after his heroic deeds, but I think it should be investigated.
2013-04-16 02:30:18 PM
1 votes:

spentmiles: Anybody filed a lawsuit against everybody yet?  My buddy, who ran in the marathon yesterday, is a trial lawyer up there in Boston.  He said he was passing out cards left and right, even slipped one under a guy's leg tourniquet.  I tried to call him this morning but his secretary said he's been on the phone for fourteen hours straight.  This is the kind of thing a good trial lawyer can retire with.  Every place is the right place, every time is the right time, for somebody I suppose.


/slowclap

I'm sure you'll get at least one person with this.
2013-04-16 02:28:26 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: The NY Post reported that there was a Saudi suspect. There was.


Was he ever a suspect though? (honest question)

I know he was interrogated by the FBI after the event and had his home searched but never had I heard outside of Fox/NYPost that he was ever a "suspect".

Sorry to be pedantic. But it really seems to me that NY Post gets information that is legitimate but jumps to its own conclusions with it.
2013-04-16 02:26:11 PM
1 votes:
Anybody filed a lawsuit against everybody yet?  My buddy, who ran in the marathon yesterday, is a trial lawyer up there in Boston.  He said he was passing out cards left and right, even slipped one under a guy's leg tourniquet.  I tried to call him this morning but his secretary said he's been on the phone for fourteen hours straight.  This is the kind of thing a good trial lawyer can retire with.  Every place is the right place, every time is the right time, for somebody I suppose.
2013-04-16 02:22:07 PM
1 votes:
SovietCanuckistan:
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Pumpkin, but the hate and utter garbage spewing from the right wing the last couple of years has been deafening.

I am guessing you are missing the glaring irony here.
2013-04-16 02:21:58 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: WhoopAssWayne: Fox is now saying that 'pressure cookers' were used for the bombs and that they were in the same style as Iraq/Afghanistan IEDs. They're saying the pressure cookers were used as the timing device. Does that make sense to anyone? Seems a bit rube goldberg given how cheap, reliable, and available other types of timing devices are these days. Bizarre.

Fox News and NY Post have been trying so damn hard to pin this on Muslims that I'm taking anything that a News Corp outlet says with a grain of salt.


On the radio, someone was saying that it's unlikely to be international terrorism because a) the Boston Marathon just isn't that famous among our enemies; and b) international terrorists are usually eager to get applause for their actions.
2013-04-16 02:20:22 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: but the bomb construction is giving me doubts


I don't think we 1) know enough about the bomb construction 2) have enough people on Fark who would be able to authoritatively comment on explosives.

The two bits of "evidence" is that this wasn't sophisticated enough to be International Terrorists, despite the poorly made crap from the Shoe Bomber and the Times Square attempted bomber, and that pressure cookers and shrapnel point to international terrorists, except that there's zero reason those in the US couldn't just copy the style. It's not like we are forbidden by religion to read up on how bombs were made in the rest of the world and simply use them here.
2013-04-16 02:15:09 PM
1 votes:

Flab: Or he didn't know of his rights. By Saudi standards, asking to search his place before doing it, is five-star treatment.

Or he had no farking thing to hide and wanted to clear his name. "Sure go ahead, search my appartment. Although I warn you, I haven't emptied the cat's litter in three days, if you smell ammonia, don't come to the wrong conclusions..."


yeah, at first when he was Suspect Saudi I was all "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" but now that he's an injured bystander who was traumatized about being bombed AND interrogated by police I'm all "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
2013-04-16 02:08:40 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: doubled99 30 people died in a bombing in Afghanistan at a wedding yesterday.
4 were killed in a bus accident in Kansas City.
I know, I know. Bombing deaths are far more important.

I've seen a small smattering of posts similar to this over the past day or so and I just have to ask... what is your point?

Perspective


You need some.
2013-04-16 02:06:21 PM
1 votes:

Madame Ovary: Also, the brothers that each lost a leg will have to find a new profession. Has anyone ever seen a roofer with a prosthetic leg? Sounds dangerous.


I've seen a one armed carpenter before. Anything is possible.
2013-04-16 02:03:27 PM
1 votes:

Psycat: My $0.02, FWIW...

High explosives like TNT detonate while low explosives like gunpowder just burn very fast (deflagration).  Detonate a chunk of TNT and it will produce a hell of a bang whether out in the open or contained in a vessel.  With gunpowder, though, if it's lit in open air, it will just go poof! without a real explosion.  You have to put gunpowder in a closed container to get a real explosion; it's the build up of pressure from the gases that causes the container to burst.

I'm guessing the reason that pressure cookers were chosen was that the terrorist used gunpowder or some other low explosive; since pressure cookers tend to be very strong containers (with the safety valve welded shut), they can build up a huge amount of pressure before exploding.  I don't think the pressure cookers themselves were on--you'd need an extension cord--and they were chosen for their strength and ability to fragment.  I'm guessing the terrorist simply filled up the pressure cookers with a mixture of gunpowder and whatever he used for shrapnel--ball bearings, BBs, nails.  An electrical detonation system with a blasting cap seems like it would be more practical than an actual burning fuse.

I'm not a professional demolition expert, though, and this is just wild speculation.  The explosives I use in my art are the harmless variety made out of tongue depressors...

[www.lunatim.com image 720x540]

...all art aside, I hope they catch the bastard(s) responsible and give them Hell on Earth...


You rely on the Prince Rupert's Drop properties of stress energy.
2013-04-16 02:03:13 PM
1 votes:
HOLY SHIAT you guys, Jim Hoft is on it!  He's got pictures of the crowd right before the blast and there's these two guys who are wearing backpacks and then later it looks like they might NOT be wearing backpacks, PERHAPS, because it's hard to tell because of the angle.  I'd link to it but that means people would go to his site which nobody should ever do.
2013-04-16 01:58:39 PM
1 votes:
My $0.02, FWIW...

High explosives like TNT detonate while low explosives like gunpowder just burn very fast (deflagration).  Detonate a chunk of TNT and it will produce a hell of a bang whether out in the open or contained in a vessel.  With gunpowder, though, if it's lit in open air, it will just go poof! without a real explosion.  You have to put gunpowder in a closed container to get a real explosion; it's the build up of pressure from the gases that causes the container to burst.

I'm guessing the reason that pressure cookers were chosen was that the terrorist used gunpowder or some other low explosive; since pressure cookers tend to be very strong containers (with the safety valve welded shut), they can build up a huge amount of pressure before exploding.  I don't think the pressure cookers themselves were on--you'd need an extension cord--and they were chosen for their strength and ability to fragment.  I'm guessing the terrorist simply filled up the pressure cookers with a mixture of gunpowder and whatever he used for shrapnel--ball bearings, BBs, nails.  An electrical detonation system with a blasting cap seems like it would be more practical than an actual burning fuse.

I'm not a professional demolition expert, though, and this is just wild speculation.  The explosives I use in my art are the harmless variety made out of tongue depressors...

www.lunatim.com

...all art aside, I hope they catch the bastard(s) responsible and give them Hell on Earth...
2013-04-16 01:56:26 PM
1 votes:

Shryke: SovietCanuckistan: I ACTUALLY DO.

I know, and you're not alone. Lots of Farkers are praying fervently this is a right wing American. You and the rest of you lot are sad, hateful creatures.


My point is a counterpoint to the scary brown guy hysteria.

Dirt bags come in all race, creeds and religions.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Pumpkin, but the hate and utter garbage spewing from the right wing the last couple of years has been deafening.
2013-04-16 01:50:23 PM
1 votes:

SnakeLee: [abcnews.go.com image 478x269]

New lead is there is some dude who got up on the roof and was watching everything right before it happened, then ran away.  Probably nothing but it just hit the news


How exactly was he watching it if it was being blocked by that building he's on top of?
2013-04-16 01:49:57 PM
1 votes:

Witchydiva: jfivealive: Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.

Wood shed.  Donkey.

Temba, his arms wide.


Summer Glau, her legs akimbo.
2013-04-16 01:49:02 PM
1 votes:
Rumor going around that someone's mother's cousin's baby daddy's best friend overheard police saying they're reviewing CCTV footage of a suspect dropping packages in garbage cans prior to the explosions.
2013-04-16 01:44:19 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: 30 people died in a bombing in Afghanistan at a wedding yesterday.
4 were killed in a bus accident in Kansas City.
I know, I know. Bombing deaths are far more important.


I've seen a small smattering of posts similar to this over the past day or so and I just have to ask... what is your point?
2013-04-16 01:40:31 PM
1 votes:

yookaloco: What's a cheap way to make a firepit glow green and pink and such?


LSD.
2013-04-16 01:39:46 PM
1 votes:
Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

It is understandable right now that the sentiments are either from "we must tend ourselves" to "seek and destroy that/those farker/s", and they are entitled to these feelings, it's only natural. But, for actually succeeding in finding out who did it, as effectively and swiftly as possible, one must detach from all feeling, and to enter a state of mind in which only logic and reason are absolute. One must be unfettered by the angered cries of "why haven't you found him yet?", and the demands of blood and retribution. One must reject the idea of using scapegoats, either because it's simple, or because it could make a profit. One must be, in a way, more a machine than a man.

I know few people that can do this, I don't know how many people have that mental fortitude in the investigative agencies, hopefully more than enough, since those qualities make you a damn tough SOB. Hopefully, justice, is done to is fullest extent.
2013-04-16 01:36:59 PM
1 votes:
The sad truth? This was probably the work of some US citizen who wanted to make a statement about Tax Day, Waco, Abortion, Smurfs, or some other nonsense.

Blaming it on Islam, Jesus,
2013-04-16 01:36:30 PM
1 votes:
Reuters:

On Tuesday, law enforcement sources briefed on the case said that the evidence was indicating that the Saudi student, who had been temporarily considered a "person of interest" in the investigation, would be cleared of suspicion and was unlikely to shed any light on the attack.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-usa-explosions-boston-i dU SBRE93F06T20130416?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
2013-04-16 01:32:18 PM
1 votes:

Void_Beavis: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Is there anything they do that isn't reprehensible?


They exhale carbon dioxide. Plants need that to live.
2013-04-16 01:29:31 PM
1 votes:

Fear the Clam: He lost both legs, but he'll probably be okay.


Your bar for "will be ok" is lower than mine.

But I am glad he will live.
2013-04-16 01:24:11 PM
1 votes:

RicosRoughnecks: I just hope the guy with his legs blown off lived.


He lost both legs, but he'll probably be okay.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/chelmsford/newsnow/x709246840/Chelmsford- ma n-injured-in-Boston-Marathon-bombing#axzz2QeEf6PW6
2013-04-16 01:20:23 PM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: A further point in favor of the domestic theory:

Buying enough shotgun shells or black powder for pipe bombs of that size, without drawing a lot of attention, would have been a hell of a lot more difficult for a Muslim.


Yes because if a Muslim terrorist goes into a store to buy black powder or 5 tons of fertilizers he is going to go in wearing a white prayer garb, headscarf with Arabic quotes and beard and 12 inches long while chanting Allahu Akhbar all the way to the cash register.

/common sense fail
2013-04-16 01:16:30 PM
1 votes:

Vectron: 4 dead, 20 wounded in Chicago over the weekend.


Kinda sad that we've been numb to the inner cities' violence for about four decades now.
2013-04-16 01:15:23 PM
1 votes:
If they outlaw pressure cookers only outlaws will have pressure cookers.
2013-04-16 01:00:48 PM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Stoj: a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's

How the hell do you use a pressure cooker as the timer? Do those things even get hot enough to set off black powder?


Not sure, but some do have timers.
2013-04-16 12:58:45 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: Stoj: The source, who spoke to Fox News on condition of anonymity, said a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's. That device was placed inside a black nylon backpack and then dumped in a garbage can, according to the source.

How can a metal pot act as a timer?

Either the source is full of it, or the reporter really, really misunderstood what they were being told.

I can see a pressure cooker being the "casing" of the bomb.  Makes a lot of sense, it's a vessel designed to hold in pressure, and it's larger than a typical pipe bomb would be.  But as a timer?


Some pressure cookers come with built in timers. A little re-wiring and they'd work fine.
2013-04-16 12:57:52 PM
1 votes:

nekom: Private_Citizen: I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?

I would like to know this as well, but as far as I know there isn't any follow-up article on him specifically. He must have lost a LOT of blood.


The Carlos Arredondo (warning, contains cropped pic 8) article that was linked before IDs picture 8 guy and says he's in critical but stable condition.  Apparently a friend of his updated people on Reddit about it.  Assuming it's true, then yep, he's alive.
2013-04-16 12:57:39 PM
1 votes:
OregonVet:  DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Why is he the only one reacting this way?
I saw lots of guns throughout the coverage. And just because you saw that glimpse doesn't mean he didn't immediately holster his weapon after. And I really don't understand what difference it even makes.


This is Fark, there are always people looking for an excuse to bash cops, that's what it really is.
2013-04-16 12:57:24 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's


How the hell do you use a pressure cooker as the timer? Do those things even get hot enough to set off black powder?
2013-04-16 12:56:58 PM
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Bontesla: Stoj: The source, who spoke to Fox News on condition of anonymity, said a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's. That device was placed inside a black nylon backpack and then dumped in a garbage can, according to the source.

Thank you for answering my question up thread.
God. I'm curious to see if that's similar to the other bombs they found...

If you are referring to this incident, there were no other bombs found, just the two that went off. All those other reports about 3rd and 5th bombs were false apparently.


Yeah. As reports are still being released - not sure what that finally count would be.

Still... the source is only referring to one of the bombs. I'm wondering if both bombs weren't designed using this'll mechanism. Whether this design was used in both bombs was ambiguous.
2013-04-16 12:56:52 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: The source, who spoke to Fox News on condition of anonymity, said a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's. That device was placed inside a black nylon backpack and then dumped in a garbage can, according to the source.


How can a metal pot act as a timer?

Either the source is full of it, or the reporter really, really misunderstood what they were being told.

I can see a pressure cooker being the "casing" of the bomb.  Makes a lot of sense, it's a vessel designed to hold in pressure, and it's larger than a typical pipe bomb would be.  But as a timer?
2013-04-16 12:56:39 PM
1 votes:

Marine1:
Holy crap. I'd call the guy lucky to be alive, but I'm not sure if he is. He'll need some serious prosthetic implements... someone should start a fund for all of these people.


Well, he can probably enjoy a fairly comfortable life. There are, according to one report, between 25-35 people who have lost at least one leg. There will be a lot of prosthetics, surgeries, physical rehab, yeah I'd say a fund for them is definitely in order. A whole lot of mangled people, it's really troubling.
2013-04-16 12:53:00 PM
1 votes:
dittybopper: OK, I've been looking at the film and the stills, and I'm starting to formulate a theory about the devices:
These weren't bombs made with actual high explosives.  It was made with gunpowder, specifically either black powder, or, more likely, a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Triple7.
My reasoning is the fire-ball like nature of the "explosions", and the large amounts of white smoke.  Anyone whose seen a muzzleloader shoot is familiar with that image on a much smaller scale.  Even the color of the fireball matches.
My guess on the construction is a large metal pipe filled with something like Triple7 (most energetic of the 3 powders I mentioned), either detonated remotely via radio or cell signal, or by a timer.  A simple battery and an Estes rocket motor igniter would suffice to trigger the device.  Easy to construct, the materials are uncontrolled, and crude, though as we've seen, cruelly effective.
 Right now, my thinking is remote detonation.  The explosions were close enough together that the setting of timers makes the timing iffy, but it jives well with "call bomb 1, hang up, call bomb 2" or "transmit bomb 1 signal, change frequency, transmit bomb 2 signal".  A cautious bomber would avoid using cellphones, though:  They'll be able to pull up the cell numbers somehow (recovered chips from the phones, or even just seeing what numbers were called in that area at that exact instant), and from that they could just request every single "ping" from those phones to find out where those phones have been, which would lead investigators to those responsible.
A less traceable method would use something like a commonly used handheld radio like an FRS or GMRS handheld, set on a certain channel with a certain CTCSS code.  You use the audio from the radio to close a relay, which closes the connection between the battery and the igniter.    Radio won't unsquelch without a transmission on the proper frequency with the proper code.  Since they are simple radios, they don't transmit location data to cell sites, and thus investigators couldn't retrieve the prior locations of those devices.
As I said, pure speculation on my part.


I already had you favored, now I adding the note "Fark's Weapons Expert".
2013-04-16 12:52:58 PM
1 votes:

nekom: Marine1:
What's the word on the uh... Picture 8 guy? Did he survive?

I will never get that image out of my head... poor bastard.

Someone way back in the thread posted a link, it appears that he is alive and stable.


Holy crap. I'd call the guy lucky to be alive, but I'm not sure if he is. He'll need some serious prosthetic implements... someone should start a fund for all of these people.
2013-04-16 12:52:07 PM
1 votes:

id10ts: When will the ban on pressure cookers be debated?


Am I right to be afraid of pressure cookers? What's the worst thing that can happen if you misuse a pressure cooker in an ordinary kitchen?

-Delphine Lourtau

Pressure Cookers

Try and keep up will you?
2013-04-16 12:50:33 PM
1 votes:
A further point in favor of the domestic theory:

Buying enough shotgun shells or black powder for pipe bombs of that size, without drawing a lot of attention, would have been a hell of a lot more difficult for a Muslim.
2013-04-16 12:48:41 PM
1 votes:

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


That would be because he is probably in shock.
2013-04-16 12:47:40 PM
1 votes:
To answer all the why do we care about this event over another and maybe it's due to them not being brown or what about Syria, Iraq, etc. questions, is it so hard to figure out? Really? It can only be racism? Or lack of compassion? Really?

People do actually get upset about the suffering of "brown" people as it is so quaintly put at fark, and they actually do stuff about it too.

Forinstance, build schools or try to alleviate suffering and many of these charitable organizations are based on religious philosophy. Lots of atheists do stuff too and you know what? Rarely are any of their efforts noted.

Right now in Pakistan people are trying to vaccinate for polio and they are in danger but they're still out there trying to help people.

Dont look at what the madman did, look at all the people running, yes, running toward danger and the unknown simply to help.

We know these people in Boston and Newtown, and we know an 8 yr old didnt deserve to die, his sister didnt deserve to be maimed, their mother is in a coma all because they were waiting to cheer on the father as he crossed the finish line.

/end rant
2013-04-16 12:46:28 PM
1 votes:
The source, who spoke to Fox News on condition of anonymity, said a pressure cooker was attached to a wooden board in at least one of the blasts. The pressure cooker acted as the timer, the source said, and attached to the board was a bottle filled with nails, ball bearings and BB's. That device was placed inside a black nylon backpack and then dumped in a garbage can, according to the source.
2013-04-16 12:45:18 PM
1 votes:
Never thought I would be saying to my daughters pre-k teacher, 'She probably won't bring it up, but there is a chance she may ask you why they blew up an 8 year old.'
2013-04-16 12:35:13 PM
1 votes:
Cowboy Hat-Wearing Hero of Boston Bombings Is Famed Peace Activist

Arredondo was watching the race to support a runner who was running the marathon in honor of Arredondo's son, Lance Cpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, who was killed in Iraq in 2004. When Arredondo was told (on his 44th birthday, no less) about his son's death by a group of Marines, he didn't believe them. From a 2007
2013-04-16 12:33:40 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: You can't keep ANY of your rights unless you can defend them.


How are you going to defend your rights with an AR-15? Huh? Are you going to take out an M-1 Abrams with it? Are you going to shoot down an A-10?

Come on, let's be a bit realistic here.
2013-04-16 12:24:15 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: So you sympathize and empathize with terrorists. Maybe you consider them your friend depending on who they target?

Are you wearing a Che t-shirt right now?


Ummm... you're the one who thinks people should be allowed to carry bombs (they are scary inanimate objects too). That sounds like sympathizing with terrorists.
2013-04-16 12:23:11 PM
1 votes:
For the debate about BP vs. PETN vs. ANFO, has anyone else heard that all ammonium nitrate now has additives mixed in at the factory when made that eliminate the potential for use as an explosive?  I read a long article a couple years ago (can't remember the source...) that was talking specifically about 4 plants that make the stuff in Pakistan, as 3 of them had switched over to adding the extra chemicals, while the 4th would not, and something like 90% of all ANFO used in IED's could be traced back to that one plant, so there was obviously a lot of political pressure being applied to get them to start.

The additives didn't make it *impossible* to make ANFO, but you ahd to go through an extra step right at the outset to get the usable ammonium nitrate out of it.  Apparently this step was complex enough or time consuming enough, that it is a pretty large deterrent in getting the large quantities you need for a big boom.

If I recall, they started putting this stuff into the ammonium nitrate right after Oklahoma City, and I would have to assume that 100% of US sources would have it added.  If anyone else can back this general statement up, we can probably just stop talking about ANFO as a potential source.
2013-04-16 12:22:40 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: So you sympathize and empathize with terrorists. Maybe you consider them your friend depending on who they target?

Are you wearing a Che t-shirt right now?


You know, if you're not going to argue seriously, I'll just go do better things with my time.
2013-04-16 12:18:36 PM
1 votes:

neversummer: scubamage: Stoj: Source: 1 device, appears to have been placed in metal pressure cooker (kitchen pot) in black nylon bag or backpack.(via @cbsnews) #wbz
- AndreaWBZ (@AndreaWBZ) April 16, 2013

Could explain the flames. Fill a pressure cooker with gasoline and weld the pressure relief and safety release shut. Gun powder (mentioned previously) doesn't create a lot of flame, it creates more smoke than anything (even smokeless). Gasoline on the other hand has all of the pretty flames people are used to seeing in movies.

I didn't really see a lot of flames in the video. That youtube video posted today taken by the runner just shows a brief flash, probably contained in about a 30 foot diameter.

Looks to be like a run of the mill pipe bomb. Something that would fit in a back pack, probably ditched under the bleachers.



bleachers were on the other side of the street.
2013-04-16 12:18:32 PM
1 votes:

neversummer: fireclown: neversummer: The 10 to 15 seconds between detonations leads me to believe they were blown via cel phone, probably from a single individual.

Could have been timed with fuzes, and intended to go off simultaneously.  It'd let the guy who made the drop get some distance between himself and the crime scene.

Possible. I bet this guy was there though. Placed a backpack bomb, walked across the street and placed the other. Made the calls.

I'm no terror analyst for the record. The FBI is asking for video and photo footage, which they always do, but I think in this case this is exactly the scenario they're thinking.

They will get him. Today probably.



CBS sources say there are some indications that at least one bomb may have been on a timer. #wbz #bostonmarathon
- Bree Sison (@BreeSison) April 16, 2013
2013-04-16 12:18:10 PM
1 votes:

Ham Sandvich: Ball bearings/BB/Pellets and nails...


oh my
2013-04-16 12:16:14 PM
1 votes:
#BrighamWomensHospital: docs have also removed over a dozen small carpenter type nails from one patients. #7News
- susantran (@susantran) April 16, 2013

Ball bearings/BB/Pellets and nails...
2013-04-16 12:14:43 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: Source: 1 device, appears to have been placed in metal pressure cooker (kitchen pot) in black nylon bag or backpack.(via @cbsnews) #wbz
- AndreaWBZ (@AndreaWBZ) April 16, 2013


Could explain the flames. Fill a pressure cooker with gasoline and weld the pressure relief and safety release shut. Gun powder (mentioned previously) doesn't create a lot of flame, it creates more smoke than anything (even smokeless). Gasoline on the other hand has all of the pretty flames people are used to seeing in movies.
2013-04-16 12:12:30 PM
1 votes:

Stoj: Source: 1 device, appears to have been placed in metal pressure cooker (kitchen pot) in black nylon bag or backpack.(via @cbsnews) #wbz
- AndreaWBZ (@AndreaWBZ) April 16, 2013


4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-04-16 12:10:30 PM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: Images from Liveleak-VERY GRAPHIC AND REALLY DISTURBING

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507

There's also a warning before you see the pictures,honestly you'd probably be better off not seeing them.


As horrible as these images are, I believe the public should see them...we are too sheltered from the disturbing images from the aftermath of human viciousness. We are adults and should see the evil men are capable of doing to others.
Censoring unpleasantness has only served to disconnect us from the harsh realities of the world we live in.

/sorry for thread jacking
2013-04-16 12:10:16 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: What about scary inanimate objects? Can we throw away the constitution for those?

You are not consistant are you.....

I"m sorry, did you have a problem with the fact that bombs are banned or no?

If you don't have a problem with bombs being illegal, why do you have a problem with other forms of arms being made illegal?

Bombs are not illegal.

It is illegal to use them to injure and or kill people with though.

Really? We wouldn't have arrested the guy had we found him with a bomb on his person?



Why are you deflecting from your earlier statement of not throwing away the constitution over a scary name. Of which I challenged your consistancy based on your fear of scary named inanimate objects like assault weapons.

Are you for limiting the constitution, or in favor of not throwing it away over some people being scared?

Grow some principles why don't you.
2013-04-16 12:07:51 PM
1 votes:
JUST IN: A law enforcement official tells @cbsnews that the two bombs that exploded in Boston were made to look like discarded property
- CBS News (@CBSNews) April 16, 2013
2013-04-16 12:06:45 PM
1 votes:
Source: 1 device, appears to have been placed in metal pressure cooker (kitchen pot) in black nylon bag or backpack.(via @cbsnews) #wbz
- AndreaWBZ (@AndreaWBZ) April 16, 2013
2013-04-16 12:05:46 PM
1 votes:

FarkinNortherner: BBC is reporting that it was a black powder type explosive, I have no idea if that's a well sourced assertion.

I am, however, amused by the assertion above that you can tell the explosive type purely by looking, with no idea of its containment or whether there was any secondary flammable material (a small charge in a gallon jug of petrol gives a startlingly big firey boom - see all action movies ever)!



Different explosives have different sights, sounds and smells associatied with them.

Petrol whoomps, bombs go kablooey. Artillery goes sssssssssssSSSSSSSSS KA-POW, missles go PSshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhewwwww, mortars go DONK.....ka-chang......BLAMMO!

I'm guessing you have no experience with explosives and are projecting your limited or non existant experiences on others who may be very well versed in explosions and even wound patterns like in the pictures and video of the boston marathon....

Explosions also sound differently based on what end of the explosives you are.

We've had over 1million  people involved in a war for the past decade......a million people who may or may not have first hand knowledge of the sights and sounds of war......a million people of which one or two or 400 might post here.
2013-04-16 12:00:59 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: Bombs are not illegal.

It is illegal to use them to injure and or kill people with though.


Correction: Possession of a bomb or bomb making equipment is illegal in many states but not all
2013-04-16 11:57:26 AM
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2013-04-16 11:51:43 AM
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The 10 to 15 seconds between detonations leads me to believe they were blown via cel phone, probably from a single individual.

Burner phones I'm sure, but I suspect this case will be solved by the FBI investigating all the phones that disappeared immediately after the blast. Had they registered with any cel towers in the weeks or months before the blast, they might be able to zero in on the bomber.

Just a thought.
rka
2013-04-16 11:49:09 AM
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OrangeSnapper: Is this just a post 9/11 thing?  Mass casualties have been going on long before that: traffic accidents, fires, tornadoes, etc.  First responders have to be prepared for anything, and it looks like they were in Boston.  Needless to say those on standby at the finish line were not posted to deal with a bombing but to deal with runners who push it too hard.  But when the shiat went down, they rose to the occasion, quite admirably.


Nope, definitely not just post 9/11. In high school (back before many of you were even born) I used to volunteer every year to play a "mass casualty" for the local first responders. They'd get a bunch of us, give us some theater blood and guts makeup and a script with our symptoms that we were supposed to relate to the EMTs/Cops/Firefighters/Emergency-type people. We'd be strewn about the fairgrounds and then they'd send in the help. We'd role play all the way to the hospital in the ambulance where a stern nurse would then inform us that "Exercise is over, thanks for your help" very brusquely. Apparently some people played the role a bit too long a few years before.

And podunk? Let me tell you podunk. My town barely cracked 2500 people back then.

There's nothing new under the sun about mass casualty prep drills. This was actually long ago enough that we did "post nuke explosion" scenarios one year.
2013-04-16 11:47:14 AM
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the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


not trying to stir up shiat but I think school shootings would rank as high if not higher than even terrorism.

Personally I think it is more sick and twisted to line up the sights on your AR-15 to a 6 yr old's head and press the trigger and watch her brains splash against the wall then repeat a few more times then just planting a bomb and walking away.
2013-04-16 11:36:53 AM
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fireclown: nekom: hmm.. what do you make of that? possibly part of the security detail?

Or a guy with rooftop access from his apartment.


Bigfoot.
2013-04-16 11:31:37 AM
1 votes:

The Missing Link: the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.

AGREED!!!

/American!!!
//Those individuals that have died or have been injured by this moron had rights too!!!


No. You're not an American. No one willing to throw away the Constitution because people die is an American.
2013-04-16 11:29:53 AM
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Stratohead: it's not black powder. Its either PETN or something similiar that was home brewed.

It's not even regular "smokeless powder". while there is plenty of smoke, the flash and explosion are far to quick for a large gun powder explosion, and not nearly enough smoke for that.

the blast was fairly short range even with the understanding that the crowds absorbed much of the blast.

again...the explosive you are looking for is PETN.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aleeJ9Rg4Hw


Not enough smoke.

Also, the large fireball could be adequately explained by unburnt powder being spread and ignited because the casing of the bomb burst before all the powder was burnt.
2013-04-16 11:29:18 AM
1 votes:

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


Profound shock will do that.
2013-04-16 11:28:23 AM
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jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4


A brown-skinned person probably coughed at the wrong time.
2013-04-16 11:27:07 AM
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


No, because then we become the monsters they think we are validating them in a way. Better to put a gun to their head, pull the trigger, and be done with them.
2013-04-16 11:21:44 AM
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star_topology: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x634]

So sad... So angry...


I can't even imagine what the father is going through.  Wife has a TBI, and daughter lost a leg.
2013-04-16 11:21:44 AM
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orclover: nekom: Farmer Joe comes in and buys some fertilizer, as he has for years, no one raises an eyebrow. Somebody who the store owner has never seen before and doesn't appear to know the first thing about farming or own a farm? Kinda doubt that will go unchallenged. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Also, that does complicate the device considerably as a blasting cap is necessary for ANFO, no?

First time my buddy went in there was two years ago, they had never met him nor heard of his family.  He paid and they just pointed their thumb tward the back and said 'help yerself', he paid cash.  Real eyebrow raising moment for him this being post 9/11.  Pretty rural though.

FLMountainMan: For the ignorant among us, how much is a "canister" of gunpowder?  Is it the size of a Coke can?  Paint can?  Just curious.  It's remarkable to me what you can buy?

Not alot actually.  On can of powder I acquired from a dear friend of mines storage shed after he died is about 24oz, i'll check the safe:  sorry 16oz.  Probably enough for a decent single pipe bomb.  You might be able to buy a couple of those without sweating it but any more and the owner better know you or god help you evading notice.  When I was a much younger and dumber youth I could buy a decent size cylinder, about 1 liter bottle size pretty cheap and canon fuse.   It was for my canon.


There's been a massive run on reloading supplies lately; people have been buying everything on the shelves because the stuff is on the shelf and they're now hoarders. I don't think that buying every container of powder at WalMart would raise an eyebrow any more.
2013-04-16 11:19:35 AM
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the money is in the banana stand: Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


No. Lets not do that.
2013-04-16 11:15:07 AM
1 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


You're not an American, are you?

Seriously, what makes a "terrorist" more deserving of torture than a "serial killer" or a mass shooter?

Just because he's called a scary thing doesn't mean we throw away the Constitution.
2013-04-16 11:11:59 AM
1 votes:

47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.


Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.
2013-04-16 10:53:07 AM
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MmmmBacon: FullMetalPanda: What if it's the Syrian rebels, the Jihad faction?  Be interesting to see the US asking the Syrians permission to bomb the hell out of the rebels.  I'm going to assume Assad would be more than happy for the US to join the war.

That would not match the Narrative very well, so I highly doubt it will happen. Even if it were a group linked to the rebels in Syria, it "officially" won't be. "Officially", the most likely group this gets pinned on, in order of likelihood, from most likely to least likely (in my humble opinion):

Lone, angry white guy
Neo-Nazi Militia
Far Right-wing Extremist group
North Korean agents
Iranian agents
Jihadists

The reason I think they will blame this on a lone bomber is simple: There are a lot of people angry with the Government right now regarding potential gun control laws, and it would play well in the media to pin it some pro-gun "nutjob", especially if the FBI can't find the culprits. Not to go all Alex Jones on this, but I could see this being used much the same way 9/11 was exploited by the Bush Administration to try to justify the war on Iraq, especially if no group takes responsibility.


No offence but your lists shows that you know nothing about terrorism or foreign policy. Jihadists and Muslim extremist would rank much much higher than north korean agents!
In case you're not aware White House Down and Red Dawn are fictional movies and not a documentaries.

KJU has already threaten the US like 10000X times don't you think he would gladly take pride if this was his doing and announced to the world? Not to mention NK has NO history or terrorism in the US nor if this their MO. The likelihood or NK agents doing something 'small' like this is about the same odds as Danish eco terrorists doing it.
2013-04-16 10:51:49 AM
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luxup: I have a (probably naive) question but I have always been curious of the whole bomb signature thing.  They always look for one as it helps to locate who did it.

I always thought it was like pulling off a robbery and being dumb enough to leave your fingerprints everywhere.  So I wonder if bombers know about the whole signature thing which they of course must, why not try and put enough variety in your work to help make you that much more undetectable?

Or is it mostly a psychological thing where they think they are smarter than the legions of people they must realize will go after them?

Or can it just not be avoided due to the nature of the bomb making culture?


It has to do with "go with what you know."

Someone else put it well: If you attempt to build a bomb, and it doesn't end up blowing your own hands off, you're probably going to stick with that design.

That, along with essentially limited bomb building knowledge, certain "schools" tend to build their bombs one way, whereas people who get their info from internet how-tos build them a different way, etc.

It's like an amateur cooking a meal, the first time you make a sauce that doesn't taste bad, you're unlikely to attempt different variations.
2013-04-16 10:48:55 AM
1 votes:
Snarfangel:

Previous comment was a joke.  Thought that was obvious. Just wanted to make sure you knew that. Apparently irony was also at the finish line.
2013-04-16 10:48:04 AM
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Maybe, just maybe, everyone should stop the random accusations? If only for their own sake. Because if it turns out you're wrong, and it *was* liberals/Teabaggers/Muslims/Mooninites, the loudest accusers will look like the biggest dumbasses.
2013-04-16 10:43:18 AM
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A Fark Handle: tragedy and life happens everyday, so why don't we post our thoughts and prayers about those events?


Umm. We do post our thoughts and prayers about people every day. WTF. Even though you think there's no emotional connection to other people in the world, we all share it. And during events like these which are almost inexplicable for their horrific nature, we come together as a nation to mourn them and to also remind people that there are awesome people in this world who ran INTO the f*cking blast site to help other people live.

Do you need a f*cking example? OK. Well, a good friend of mine had a wife who died of brain cancer at the age of 25. Her birthday was today. He made a facebook page about her and today, he celebrated her birthday and we chimed in with happy birthday for her. We all mourn her passing. She was a wonderful person and he loved her deeply.

Frankly I feel sorry that you don't feel any emotional connection to others and to the world. That's your choice though, not mine, and not the vast majority of people would agree with me and not you. I would find it hard to look in the mirror every day if I didn't.
2013-04-16 10:37:47 AM
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Giltric: Snarfangel: It's obvious that the person/group/political party I despise the most caused this terrible tragedy. It's absolutely *not* baseless supposition if I really hate them.

I shall now cherry-pick my evidence to support this conclusion, and ignore the naysayers and their "facts."


I wonder how many people attempting to blame the "right wing" were trying to debunk the connection between a certain attack in Libya that happened on the same day that some people flew planes into office buildings years earlier....


To be fair, Islamic fundamentalists ARE the "right wing".
2013-04-16 10:36:34 AM
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So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?
2013-04-16 10:35:47 AM
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Witchydiva: SoupJohnB: Witchydiva: Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.

Heard that, and thought Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a logical link with the other federal agencies following this incident.  One response to 9/11 was to have agencies not "silo" any intel that might be applicable to common interests.

I get the breakdowns on the siloing, I was just curious at what seemed to be an odd singling out of that particular agency, and the emphasis on the "worldwide" and "global" part of the investigation.

Ah, so much speculation, so little time.


Well, if they don't catch this person in a few days, there's a pretty good chance he'd try to cross a border. Makes sense that they'd want to take that possibility into account.
2013-04-16 10:34:28 AM
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Kentucky Fried Panda: People care because it was an attack on innocence. An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.


A damned good point.  I'm having a brain/heart struggle with this whole thing.  My left brain (always the **hole) tells me that I should regard those hurt and killed in this attack in exactly the same way as the innumerable people killed by bombs in churches, mosques, discos and markets all over the world.  My right brain is screaming blue bloody murder, and I think it's largely because I'm a runner (and occasional marathoner) and I think that I'm having a reaction because someone targeted people very much like myself.  It's inside my monkeysphere, and it'shiatting me pretty hard.  In turn, that's leading to some guilt over being a little blase over other events.
2013-04-16 10:34:17 AM
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Darth_Lukecash: Latest from Boston

My heart goes out to the people of Boston and the victims.  I really hadn't commented earlier, because I didn't want to jump to conclusions..

All I know was that for no damn good reason at all, an 8 year old boy lost his life,

And that Sandyhook were guest at the finish line tent...can this year be any worse for them?


God must really hate those kids
2013-04-16 10:30:48 AM
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Ok, I'm not winning any parenting awards today.  Letting kids veg while I try and catch up on news.  Going to have to force myself to go to the park.  Censoring the news my 4 year old say yesterday (yeah I don't hide this stuff from her) and wasn't expecting her to ask...

'Why did they blow up the 8 year old?'

Well the whole bad people do bad things and the 8 year old is with Jesus (we are Catholic) came into play of course but don't you know, it was Mr. Rogers who came to the rescue with his whole 'look for the people running to help' thing.

Man, if there is a Heaven, I hope that guy gets extra wings.
2013-04-16 10:27:32 AM
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Giltric: luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.

You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.


I'm not sure I'm understanding this... is there supposed to be something wrong about the fact that a police officer drew their service revolver just moments after a bomb exploded just a few feet away?
2013-04-16 10:23:44 AM
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Psylence: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.

2 things here:
That's a SHE
SHE has perfect trigger discipline.


Guys beat me to it.  I'm usually the first to jump all over anything wrong a cop does but this time the response seems pretty reasonable.  After a few minutes after viewing the photo I was just happy she wasnt pointing it at anybody.
2013-04-16 10:19:00 AM
1 votes:
I see the FARK Explosive Forensics Brigade and Troll Brigade are working hand in hand this morning in the wake of this tragedy.
2013-04-16 10:18:16 AM
1 votes:
On Significance:

What distinguishes humans from other animals is the capacity to make meaning or significance. In addition to being creatures whose brains are hardwired to finish incomplete patterns, many of us need narrative cohesiveness, partly because of logical consistency but partly to feel less anxious.

When events occur that cause the limbic system to go into  overdrive, such as a natural or manmade calamity where a direct threat to survival occurs (or a psychological threat through identification or sympathy with victims), there's a whole bunch of frontal lobe activity that sparks up. The possibility that we will become insiginificant through death compels a reaction for significance.

that's where all these "connections" come in. During these times, we cannot abide an incomplete pattern, a story with holes. If things are connected, things make sense. There's enough anxiety to begin with that we need to backfill with whatever makes sense to us, however random things may actually be.
MFK
2013-04-16 10:17:28 AM
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Zazzy: Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.


yeah, this is pretty much why there were only 3 deaths here despite the huge number of horrible injuries. They drill for exactly this sort of event and when the shiat hit the fan, they knew exactly what to do and how to do it.
2013-04-16 10:15:28 AM
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A Fark Handle: is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?

/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.


YES - Some lady was on the news saying that Dog spare her sister or some shiat. I guess the guy in photo 8 and the rest of the amputees were heathen pieces of crap who Dog chose to smite.
2013-04-16 10:06:49 AM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.


2 things here:
That's a SHE
SHE has perfect trigger discipline.
2013-04-16 10:03:11 AM
1 votes:
 Day two and nobody has taken responsibility for it? I'm going to have to  go with domestic terrorist since Al Qaeda would have already relased a statement bragging about it. Our terrorist seem to be a bit more guttless.

Hypnozombie
2013-04-16 09:58:29 AM
1 votes:
What is this shiat about Obama not saying the word "terrorism"?

That long after 9/11, Bush was in hiding.
2013-04-16 09:52:14 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: My point isn't to blame liberals for this attack.  I don't even care what group did this.  If it was a "liberal" group, it in no way some sort of victory for conservative principles.  If it was a "conservative" group, I don't think that validates big government.

My point is that implying it could not have been a "liberal" group is as stupid as implying it must've been Muslims/Christians/Tea Partiers/Puerto Rican Separatists, etc...

Every group has crazies.  Those who think their party/team/ideology is infallible are idiots.


...yet you're the one attempting to claim that Rev Jim Jones was a Liberal terrorist.

/tell me again how both sides are bad
2013-04-16 09:51:58 AM
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Dwight_Yeast: bdub77: One sec, I've just gotta do this line of coke here.......ahhhh.

Oliver Stone! What are you doing posting here?


Look, I'm just saying. It's really obvious here. Look at what we know.

There was a fire at the JFK Library the day of the bombings.
JFK was killed by a man in the book depository.
There is a JFK airport in NYC.
9/11 was in NYC.
JFK was from Massachusetts.
It was Patriot's Day.
JFK was a patriot.

Study it out!

That's right. JFK was responsible.
2013-04-16 09:50:39 AM
1 votes:

BigGrnEggGriller: They talk funny there.  Like they have a communal speech impediment or something.  Anyone else notice that?


What, are you wicked retarded? It's a farkin' accent, brah.
2013-04-16 09:49:11 AM
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SurelyShirley: BigBooper: I saw picture 8! What is seen can't be unseen!

I saw picture 8 and pretty much all the other images and videos that were posted yesterday. While I'm not grossed out by graphic images like that, what got to me this morning was, that this guy wakes up today (hopefully, he was well sedated overnight), and that's his new reality. It's not a picture, it's his life that changed forever within a split second because of some demented person's agenda.


And it is reported that between 20-25 people have lost at least one leg. And an 8 year old child who was eagerly waiting for his father to cross the finish line is dead, as well as I believe 2 others so far. In a sense, THAT is what we DON'T get to much from other countries. We hear about 50 people killed in a car bomb in Iraq and it's just a number in the media. When it happens here, every victim has their own life story and the human suffering this sort of thing causes REALLY sinks in.
2013-04-16 09:47:31 AM
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PreMortem: AM radio this morning: "Why didn't the President use they word 'terrorism'?"

Terrorism: The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

Until there is motive, it's just an act of violence. Please shoot down any reference to terrorism as of yet. I texted into this radio station and asked why it was so important for some people to hear the word "terrorism". To me it implies people were terrified, which implies cowardice. They did not respond.

It should be called an act of cowardice, not terrorism.


But it's got "TERROR" right in it!  Are people scared? Then it is terrorism!  These terrorists just want to scare people, period. And it works!

/fox-news-listener's understanding of the world
2013-04-16 09:45:28 AM
1 votes:

BigBooper: I saw picture 8! What is seen can't be unseen!


I saw picture 8 and pretty much all the other images and videos that were posted yesterday. While I'm not grossed out by graphic images like that, what got to me this morning was, that this guy wakes up today (hopefully, he was well sedated overnight), and that's his new reality. It's not a picture, it's his life that changed forever within a split second because of some demented person's agenda.
2013-04-16 09:41:54 AM
1 votes:

Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre


people wait and plan during the winter, then when the weather is nice again they act.
2013-04-16 09:40:47 AM
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JusticeandIndependence: KarmicDisaster: FLMountainMan: Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?

This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.

I don't think that this can be labelled as "terrorism" until you know who did it and why. If it turns out to have been the work of a single deranged nutbag with no political agenda, then it was not terrorism. Terrorists have an agenda. Even so, I think that there would be nothing wrong with calling it an act of terror, because it was, and the White House has done so. People that want Obama to call it Terrorism don't know what terrorism is, and probably don't really know what socialism or communism or the other words they use mean exactly either.

I disagree.  This was to strike fear.  Plain and simple, that is terrorism at it's core.


Well, look at the DC sniper case. That sure seemed like terrorism at the time, and it caused fear, but the guy's actual objective turned out to be to cause a distraction to cover up killing someone in particular that he wanted to kill. I'd say that until we know more, we can't call this terrorism, although we may once we know why it was done. Anyway, since so many people want a snap judgement about it, Obama should have just called it an "act of terror" to make them happy.
2013-04-16 09:37:59 AM
1 votes:
Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.
2013-04-16 09:28:45 AM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: While I saw some other pictures of police with their hands on their weapons, he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.  Were all the other cops shome how at fault for NOT drawing?


 Why do you insist that someone be at fault?
2013-04-16 09:28:38 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Dwight_Yeast: FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)

Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.

Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.


Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associat0ed with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


It's less than 24 hours after a bombing that's killed several people and crippled dozens in one of our major cities. We don't know who did it or why. Do you feel good about trying to score political points on this? Do you feel good about making yourself the victim instead of the injured and dead?

Lmr61:Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.


That's not helping, either. We don't know.
2013-04-16 09:27:34 AM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: killershark: And she wasn't the only one. If you watch some wide shots of the explosion, there's another cop by the finish line grandstands who pulls his weapon and then puts it back in his holster about 30 seconds later when he realizes it's not a shooter attack.

Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on this.


Probably because there isn't any real information regarding the person/people behind this.  Considering that the discussion could be the standard "Which Mooslim group did this?!?!?", pondering about police procedure and individual reactions under fire is far more benign.

The drawn gun debate is just us Fark news junkies waiting for some information so we can figure out how we build this tragic event into our world view.
2013-04-16 09:23:01 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.


Or you could have done the research before you opened your mouth and saved yourself the trouble.

Which brings us to the second point: Jones wasn't a Liberal.  He wasn't a Conservative, either.  He was a sociopath, and the only reason he helped anyone (like elderly women) was because it helped Jim Jones (because he convinced them to give him all their money, which is what he lived off of).
2013-04-16 09:10:03 AM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.


Side note, I believe it's a "she."
2013-04-16 09:06:11 AM
1 votes:

ColSanders: WinoRhino: I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled.

[www.philebrity.com image 300x295]


Holy shiat, Ace Freely is really Stephen Colbert!
2013-04-16 09:06:08 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)


Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.
2013-04-16 08:57:39 AM
1 votes:

chocolate covered poop: I really think people waste way too much time speculating [Followed by speculation... SNIP]


I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled. I also bet they were of middle-eastern descent, though American born. Also, a Tea-Party member who voted for Romney, but has since switched to Obama's side and is using this as a smokescreen because of Benghazi. That, and their taxes were late and could not file for an extension because they have been too busy fighting anti-gun legislation and protesting, thus doing this on Patriots Day. When I am partially right about it, you'll look back on the thread and see how much of an expert I am.
2013-04-16 08:52:55 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: SlothB77: NicoFinn: mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?

I just read in one article that was linked in this thread that the 4-hour mark is the high point for crossing the finish line and that the most people would be gathered there at that time, including family members, spectators, etc. I don't know anything about marathons, but it's a possible motive for the timing.

Not all runners started at the same time.  They start in waves or corrals.  For example, runners assigned to corral 1 might start first, then a five minute delay, then corral 2, then a five minute wait, then corral 3, etc, etc.  You can't have all 30,000 runners all start at the same time - there isn't enough room on the road.  So a runner may cross the start line 30 full minutes into the clock time, cross the finish with a clock time of 4:09:45 and have a chip time of 3:39:45.

I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start.  All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.


Probably had to do with the amount of security at the start vs when they were planted at the finish.
2013-04-16 08:51:21 AM
1 votes:

chocolate covered poop: I really think people waste way too much time speculating about the significance of the date when things like this happen.  There are just way too many potential coincidences there that can lead you down a false trail.  I also find it funny we don't seem to take the most recent tragedies into account when considering this.  I realize extrapolating based on recent events (Sandy Hook, Aurora) is logically flawed, but still it doesn't hurt to take that recent trend into account, or at least use it as a starting point.

I'm going with college aged (and very likely a college student) white male loner type with borderline or undiagnosed mental illness.  Educated enough to piece together home made explosives, but not a career terrorist, likely his first foray into violence.  Hopefully there's some FB or twitter account.  I think Anon could play a key role in bringing this guy in, if he doesn't kill himself first.

-Ruling out AQ, as they likely would have gone for bigger results, and I expect would be competent enough with improvised explosives to make this event much worse than it was.  I suppose it could still be a guy like the Fort Hood shooter, but while he was motivated by religion he acted more as a lone wolf.

- Ruling out fundamentalist right wingers / tea party:  not that they aren't dumb enough or violent enough to do something like this, I don't think this has the kind of government profile that your typical nut would go for - they aren't so much interested in body count as they are in the significance of their target (i.e. federally run buildings and organizations)


FTFY

/I'm sure the FBI will be calling you shortly for your two-cents
2013-04-16 08:50:24 AM
1 votes:

nekom: MmmmBacon:
I've seen reports that back up the ball bearings claim, and others that refute it, so I think it is way too early to know for sure. The FBI and police won't say, because they don't want to give out too much information. I suspect eventually we'll know all the details, but right now it's a little early for that.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't disclose the nature of the bombs, not sure how that could possibly impede their investigation, but well that's for them to decide, not me of course. The injuries look quite consistent with high shrapnel, especially the infamous photo #8 guy who appears to have had his legs just cut out from under him. And even the overall photos, blood is absolutely EVERYWHERE.

I'm also going to go ahead and assume that this will be entirely a federal investigation with federal terrorism charges, so this will likely be a capital trial if the perp is alive.


Probably, with a high-profile incident like this, there will be a huge flood of tips and other information coming in from the public, and the fewer details made known to the public, the easier it will be to prioritize which tips are most worth looking into.
2013-04-16 08:49:17 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: /Right wing nuts like McVeigh tend to attack government


Not always, remember the Olympic Park Bomber Eric Rudolph, who bombed the Olympic Park to protest global socialism and abortions?

Here is his statement:

"In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is the promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games - even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27th was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested."
2013-04-16 08:48:23 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: NicoFinn: mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?

I just read in one article that was linked in this thread that the 4-hour mark is the high point for crossing the finish line and that the most people would be gathered there at that time, including family members, spectators, etc. I don't know anything about marathons, but it's a possible motive for the timing.

Not all runners started at the same time.  They start in waves or corrals.  For example, runners assigned to corral 1 might start first, then a five minute delay, then corral 2, then a five minute wait, then corral 3, etc, etc.  You can't have all 30,000 runners all start at the same time - there isn't enough room on the road.  So a runner may cross the start line 30 full minutes into the clock time, cross the finish with a clock time of 4:09:45 and have a chip time of 3:39:45.


I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start.  All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.
2013-04-16 08:47:12 AM
1 votes:
 

pedobearapproved: you know there are only 365 days in the year and something happened on each of them in history that could be linked to some group. The birthday of a leader, the birthday of an important person, the birthday of the group, an anniversery of an event that was good for them, the anniversery of an event that was bad for them, an historical event that the group identifies with, an historical event that group is opposed to. Or, if it is a group (and I'm not saying it is), just a random day that isn't linked to them, but where a bunch of people gather for some reason, with a lot of press around.


I seems more likely (to me, at least) that the marathon happened to fall on 4/15, rather than 4/15 being significant.
2013-04-16 08:45:44 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-16 08:45:42 AM
1 votes:
From Boston.com:

"The person questioned in the hospital was a Saudi national, who was reportedly tackled and held by a bystander after he was seen running from near the scene of the explosion, said a law enforcement source who spoke with someone involved in the FBI's investigation. The Saudi man, believed to be a university student in Boston, is cooperating with the FBI and told agents that he was not involved in the explosions, and that he ran only because he was frightened. Investigators did not characterize the man as a suspect. No one had been arrested or charged as of late Monday night."

Some guy saw a brown guy running in fright from the bombing and immediately thought "terrorist."
2013-04-16 08:44:25 AM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...




...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


It looks like the one on the right is starting to draw as well forming a triangle and offering cover around the one helping the victim.
2013-04-16 08:42:25 AM
1 votes:

digistil: How long until Alex Jones blames Fartbongo/gubmint?


Pretty sure he already did.  Just off of pure instict.
2013-04-16 08:41:35 AM
1 votes:

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


You are carrying a gun and suddenly LOUD BOOM. What do you do?
2013-04-16 08:36:36 AM
1 votes:

Abox: WinoRhino: nekom: Speaking of that, is there any confirmation that ball bearings or other shrapnel was indeed included in the bombs? It was reported early on, but so were other things that didn't pan out.

In the video you see an older runner collapse in the middle of the street as the bomb went off to his left. When interviewed he said he fell because shrapnel his his legs. That's the only sure thing I have heard about it.


I just read an article about him that says he was ok, just old and got wobbled..


That's what I understood.  The concussion jellied his legs for a few seconds, and he went down.  I'm sure at the end of a marathon, my legs would go to jelly if I went past a box fan.
2013-04-16 08:32:00 AM
1 votes:

nekom: MmmmBacon: WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds

I expect a few more will pass in the next several days from their injuries, but hopefully not many. It's just simple odds, based on the large number of people wounded that some of them will die from their injuries.

But I do agree, with two bombs in a crowded area, the number of dead is startling low, something we can all be glad about on this terrible day.

There were a lot of emergency personnel standing by, that surely contributed to the relatively low fatalities. There are going to be some SERIOUSLY maimed survivors, I've seen the graphic photos, the man whose legs were literally blown off is seared into my memory now.

Speaking of that, is there any confirmation that ball bearings or other shrapnel was indeed included in the bombs? It was reported early on, but so were other things that didn't pan out.


I've seen reports that back up the ball bearings claim, and others that refute it, so I think it is way too early to know for sure. The FBI and police won't say, because they don't want to give out too much information. I suspect eventually we'll know all the details, but right now it's a little early for that.
2013-04-16 08:26:28 AM
1 votes:

Novart: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Alonjar: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.

If there is a single bright spot in all of this, it's the response. I was amazed the death toll was so low. But there were so many lives changed yesterday. I hope we can muster our collective humanity to help the survivors as well as the families of the deceased.

Not to mention the amazing advances in prosthetics. Not that these people will be A-OK,  but  their chances of living a happy and fulfilling life are so much better than even ten years ago.


This could sound insensitive, but I mean it as a testament to the marvel of modern prosthetics, not as glib joke.

some of them may even be able to improve their time on man made legs. We live in a wondrous age.
2013-04-16 08:22:53 AM
1 votes:

Viss: For every ONE you can find of a deranged "tea party" terrorist, I can name many "sane" leftists and liberal whackjobs. Its ALWAYS the left with their violence and murders and bombings... yes, Weather Underground... but thats somehow OK to you farktards.


So what you're saying is that for every right-wing terrorist attack on this country, you can name exactly one group, active forty years ago, who never killed or injured anyone?

Sounds about right.
2013-04-16 08:19:40 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-16 08:16:21 AM
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


There are billions of Muslims jackass.
The percentage of them that are dangerous is very low.

But I guess they all look the same to you.
2013-04-16 08:14:30 AM
1 votes:
Solidarity macro overload.
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MFK
2013-04-16 08:13:56 AM
1 votes:
you know, maybe, just maybe if people shut the fark up about who did it or why someone may have done it until there's some actual information out there instead of just speculation, theory and spitballing, we could calm down a bit.

our news has totally devolved into "Some people are saying" territory and it's freaking everyone out and not even remotely helping.
2013-04-16 08:13:41 AM
1 votes:

Kentucky Fried Panda: doublesecretprobation: it was mentioned on WBUR a few times this morning that police had raided a house in Revere and were seen leaving with "bags".

Leaving with bags does not really mean all that much.  Any time you do a search, you are going to get, at the very least, documents that would support who lives there, etc...  All evidence goes in "bags".  So, bags don't really mean all that much.  Let me know when they evacuate the neighborhood.


just relaying what i heard on the local news this morning.
2013-04-16 08:11:47 AM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons.


Like that McVeigh kid, Unibomber, or the Newtown, CT guy. farking Islamists, amiright?

Seriously, shut the fark up with the speculation. It's pointless.
2013-04-16 08:11:15 AM
1 votes:
Hey we cranked up the earthquake machine again towards a suspect nation.
2013-04-16 08:08:41 AM
1 votes:
One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre
2013-04-16 08:08:18 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: I wonder if the bomber(s) knew they were attacking a place with an over abundance of EMTs, other emergency personnel and athletic trainers. I think it's thanks to these people that the deaths were limited to only three so far.


I imagine that even the dumbest of terrorists would be *planning* to take out emergency personnel, given the opportunity. Which is, I'd imagine, why there were multiple bombs.
2013-04-16 08:06:09 AM
1 votes:

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Well, it was Tax Day.

And Patriot's Day.

And near the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But other than that, nothing I can think of....
2013-04-16 08:05:18 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: Mose: If it is someone/group sophisticated enough to put that much forethought and planning into it, would they have been so amateurish as to make 3 out of 5 devices duds?  Doesn't fit, IMHO.

They werent duds... the authorities followed the "Terror attack in MY city?" handbook, and shut off cell phone service right away.  The bombs were most likely triggered by cell phone.


Pretty sure if they were cellphone activated they would have had plenty of time to detonate  them before the authorities had time to go through  the process of shutting down all cellphone service to the area.
2013-04-16 08:03:36 AM
1 votes:

digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185


...And the sharks begin to circle to take advantage of tragedy to push their own sh*t...

They aren't the first, but damned if they aren't the slimiest and most repugnant...
2013-04-16 08:00:31 AM
1 votes:

doublesecretprobation: it was mentioned on WBUR a few times this morning that police had raided a house in Revere and were seen leaving with "bags".


Leaving with bags does not really mean all that much.  Any time you do a search, you are going to get, at the very least, documents that would support who lives there, etc...  All evidence goes in "bags".  So, bags don't really mean all that much.  Let me know when they evacuate the neighborhood.
2013-04-16 08:00:21 AM
1 votes:
Mose:

My wife worked at Marathon Sports near the finish line for a while, knew a lot of runners, and has volunteered in the past in the medical tent.  She was a wreck yesterday.

Oddly, though, her resolve to qualify seemed, if anything, to increase yesterday.  She's more motivated now and even told me she hopes they don't change the finish.


One of my friends is a doctor in the medical tent. I don't even know how to finish this post.... He helped a lot of people. Can't wait to see him now...
MFK
2013-04-16 07:57:10 AM
1 votes:
MmmmBacon:

The reason I think they will blame this on a lone bomber is simple: There are a lot of people angry with the Government right now regarding potential gun control laws, and it would play well in the media to pin it some pro-gun "nutjob", especially if the FBI can't find the culprits. Not to go all Alex Jones on this, but I could see this being used much the same way 9/11 was exploited by the Bush Administration to try to justify the war on Iraq, especially if no group takes responsibility.

Your post is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.
2013-04-16 07:53:22 AM
1 votes:
Viss
For every ONE you can find of a deranged "tea party" terrorist, I can name many "sane" leftists and liberal whackjobs. Its ALWAYS the left with their violence and murders and bombings... yes, Weather Underground... but thats somehow OK to you farktards.

I dont even know how to respond to this idiocy. This has to be a troll. Thats too much derp in one sentence.
2013-04-16 07:53:05 AM
1 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.

Seriously. I have a buddy who was calling 'false flag' before he even knew anything other than the fact that there was an explosion. I try to point out that in a false flag operation you would have someone set up to take the blame, but in this case officials aren't yet pointing any fingers. He seems impervious to logic. He just knows this has something to do with the government trying to take his freedom.


You need new friends.
2013-04-16 07:51:31 AM
1 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.

Seriously. I have a buddy who was calling 'false flag' before he even knew anything other than the fact that there was an explosion. I try to point out that in a false flag operation you would have someone set up to take the blame, but in this case officials aren't yet pointing any fingers. He seems impervious to logic. He just knows this has something to do with the government trying to take his freedom.


I'm sure someone in the government will propose something that limits our freedoms as a result of this, but that's not important right now, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.  It's asinine to think that they were responsible for this for that purpose.  Your friend is stupid and he should feel stupid.  I'm as distrustful of our leaders as the next guy, but come on, man.  Like you said, if this was a set up (and I feel bad for even giving that scenario any creedence), where's the fall guy?  I think we would have already heard about a suspect or a responsible group in that case.
2013-04-16 07:49:26 AM
1 votes:

FullMetalPanda: What if it's the Syrian rebels, the Jihad faction?  Be interesting to see the US asking the Syrians permission to bomb the hell out of the rebels.  I'm going to assume Assad would be more than happy for the US to join the war.


That would not match the Narrative very well, so I highly doubt it will happen. Even if it were a group linked to the rebels in Syria, it "officially" won't be. "Officially", the most likely group this gets pinned on, in order of likelihood, from most likely to least likely (in my humble opinion):

Lone, angry white guy
Neo-Nazi Militia
Far Right-wing Extremist group
North Korean agents
Iranian agents
Jihadists

The reason I think they will blame this on a lone bomber is simple: There are a lot of people angry with the Government right now regarding potential gun control laws, and it would play well in the media to pin it some pro-gun "nutjob", especially if the FBI can't find the culprits. Not to go all Alex Jones on this, but I could see this being used much the same way 9/11 was exploited by the Bush Administration to try to justify the war on Iraq, especially if no group takes responsibility.
2013-04-16 07:48:50 AM
1 votes:

balki1867: namegoeshere: I guess we should be thankful they're not going with the obvious "Boston Masacre Pt 2."

Too late, CNN is already calling this the Boston Massacre.  I guess people forget that even though it's been ~250 years, the Boston Massacre was actually a thing.


Patriot Facepalm.
2013-04-16 07:46:47 AM
1 votes:

ZackDanger: crumblecat: Trying to be objective here, which is not easy as this is horrifying.

The first thing that grabs my attention is the bangs were more of a soft "whump" then the sharp crack of military explosives. That suggests something small and home mixed. And despite the carnage close to the explosions, it could have been a lot worse. A significant military charge would have blown the crowd barriers clean across the street and taken out most of the people on the road.

Anybody notice it's 20 years after Waco, almost to the day? My money is on home-grown.

But who knows. No one nation or religion has a monopoly on nut jobs.

My thoughts are with all who suffered.

Everyone I know noticed the same thing. Appeared to be a low explosive... perhaps gunpowder pipe-bomb type thing. Smaller in nature.


Authorities have said that it was likely a crude,  small home made bomb, and that no C4 showed up in the ballistics testing.     It also detonated during one of the slowest times of the race.    There were much larger crowds just a few hours earlier.   Thankfully,  whoever did this was pretty amateurish in ballistics and planning.
2013-04-16 07:42:26 AM
1 votes:

Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.


Seriously. I have a buddy who was calling 'false flag' before he even knew anything other than the fact that there was an explosion. I try to point out that in a false flag operation you would have someone set up to take the blame, but in this case officials aren't yet pointing any fingers. He seems impervious to logic. He just knows this has something to do with the government trying to take his freedom.
2013-04-16 07:41:55 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: HindiDiscoMonster: /tin foil hat mode enabled

I hate to say this, but it could have been a test run... to see our response times, how we react, etc before unleashing the real attack.

/tin foil hat mode disabled

If that's the case then we're probably talking about a group and not all lone wolf. Remotely detonated devices (to avoid injury). Interesting theory.


If it is someone/group sophisticated enough to put that much forethought and planning into it, would they have been so amateurish as to make 3 out of 5 devices duds?  Doesn't fit, IMHO.
2013-04-16 07:40:53 AM
1 votes:
*yawn* good morning.

Any new information or the same jibber jabber i foolishly spent 7 hours listening to last night?

Also, how long will my commute take this morning?
2013-04-16 07:36:02 AM
1 votes:
This to all the folks blasting the "jackass" who tackled the "person of interest" --

You do see the inherit irony (or hypocrisy) in criticizing a guy for doing what he thought was right, when you are completely ignorant of the facts surrounding his actions, while simultaneously criticizing those who jump to judgment before all the facts are in, right?  Whatever this guy saw that made him suspicious might have been enough to make a reasonable man act in the same way.  You guys racing to assume there was nothing to motivate him other than racism is, really, the exact same pinheadedness that you're accusing him of.

/Just sayin'.
2013-04-16 07:31:06 AM
1 votes:
April appears to be a month of disasters and tragedies.
2013-04-16 07:26:00 AM
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


That's completely inaccurate.
2013-04-16 07:16:48 AM
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HaywoodJablonski: So...do we know who to invade and liberate yet?



i28.photobucket.com

I keed. Hopefully the f*cker(s) will be caught and dealt with in short time. We definitely don't need to respond to this with the godawful fear-mongering that occurred after 9/11.
2013-04-16 07:15:52 AM
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wickedragon: April 16th is the day of the Virgina Tech massacre, could be linked to that in some twisted way.
Could be the first chinese terrorist attack, somehow linked to the Tienamen Square protests in '89.
Honestly, I'm guessing whichever nutbag did this had a nutbag reason for doing so. I'm trying to see how someone could be so pissed off at paying their taxes that they start blowing up innocent people and I'm drawing a complete blank.
Just mindless, ruthless bloodshed. My heart cries.


April 15 was also the start of the Arab revolt in Palestine. Might be related, might not be.
2013-04-16 07:12:07 AM
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Old enough to know better: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Why these bastards haven't had their "church" firebombed by now continues to puzzle me.


For the same reason trolls are tolerated on internet forums. They do the most damage by not crossing a line that would get them banned/slaughtered.

It would be nice if the internets embrace civility like it has embraced grammar. Because until we see that trolling, in and of itself, is an undesirable behavior we are always going to have a WBC in RL to contend with.
2013-04-16 07:11:14 AM
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OrangeSnapper: Perhaps it wasn't as heavy at Boston because of the qualifying rules, but there were still plenty of runners out there.


From experience it is a very heavy time. The elite runners start earlier, and then the rest go in waves. There are a lot of people who run for charities for whom qualifying times are waived. And then there are the bandits who just start running at the tail end after all the official runners have started (but they are usually unofficially counted in with that 27k). Additionally, there were more runners than usual this year because last year it was in the high 80s F at the start and they allowed racers to opt out and defer to this year's race.

The area the bomb went off is typically where I would meet my parents when finishing. My phone (as well as theirs) was ringing off the hook yesterday with people asking if we were running this year.
2013-04-16 07:02:30 AM
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schief2: Bontesla: On a purely speculative note: it's doubtful that whatever explosives were planted were planted prior to the race. Security had previously passed over the area with bomb sniffing dogs (if the accounts were correct).

Perhaps the opportunity didn't present itself until the 4th wave of runners approached. We're talking about two explosive devices that went off. A third (and possibly a 4th,an 5th?) never exploded.

I've been thinking about that too. Perhaps the bomber(s) knew or got lucky that security was starting to let their guard down. After all, by that point they'd probably been at it for 6/7/8 hours and were probably thinking in their minds 'who the fark sets off a bomb 3/4ths of the way through a marathon anyway?'


There was also speculation that around that time was the peak finish time for runners last year, which would be understandable given last year's heat. The times in last year's race were a lot slower because of that. The conditions yesterday in Boston were pretty much perfect for the Marathon - sunny and in the 40s/50s. Last year it was in the 70s and 80s during the race, and you didn't hear very many stories of runners breaking their PRs. So if the bomber(s) were going off of last year results, that would be why they went off after 3/4 of the runners had finished.
2013-04-16 07:01:10 AM
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RatMaster999:
I plan on keeping an eye out for anyone who looks to be of Middle Eastern, Indian, or other, similar descent. I can at least try to be there to help them if some angry, ignorant folk decide to get uppity.

Wow... that is so the right way to end that statement.

Novart:
Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment

I suspect harassment laws apply to repeated acts against the same person(s).  WBC'shiat and run act would neatly avoid that, as I'm sure they well know.
2013-04-16 06:59:40 AM
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MmmmBacon: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Take your pick:

Patriots Day
Tax Day

It is also near to Adolph Hitler's birthday (April 20th, a big one for the neo-nazi types) and April 19th, when the Waco siege ended so badly and also when McVeigh attacked the Federal building in Oklahoma City.


It was also the day of the big marathon in Boston, when alot of potential victims would be gathered in a public place.
2013-04-16 06:59:00 AM
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Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons.


Why did we invade Iraq again?
Was the reason for that unretarded?
2013-04-16 06:56:18 AM
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Kubluedevil14: Alonjar: Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


Like this one?

He wasn't tea party. He hated the IRS, government, Bush, bailouts, his CPA, the catholic church, and other random crap. Look at his wiki page. There are quotes from dailykos and others that specifically say he wasn't tea party.

Doesn't mean tea partiers aren't crazies. Just means this wasn't the example you are looking for.


But he did walk and talk like a duck.
2013-04-16 06:50:09 AM
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Bontesla: On a purely speculative note: it's doubtful that whatever explosives were planted were planted prior to the race. Security had previously passed over the area with bomb sniffing dogs (if the accounts were correct).

Perhaps the opportunity didn't present itself until the 4th wave of runners approached. We're talking about two explosive devices that went off. A third (and possibly a 4th,an 5th?) never exploded.


I've been thinking about that too. Perhaps the bomber(s) knew or got lucky that security was starting to let their guard down. After all, by that point they'd probably been at it for 6/7/8 hours and were probably thinking in their minds 'who the fark sets off a bomb 3/4ths of the way through a marathon anyway?'
2013-04-16 06:49:08 AM
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I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.
2013-04-16 06:46:35 AM
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mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


We probably won't know this until we have identified and confirmed a suspect.

On a purely speculative note: it's doubtful that whatever explosives were planted were planted prior to the race. Security had previously passed over the area with bomb sniffing dogs (if the accounts were correct).

Perhaps the opportunity didn't present itself until the 4th wave of runners approached. We're talking about two explosive devices that went off. A third (and possibly a 4th,an 5th?) never exploded.
2013-04-16 06:44:13 AM
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Trying to be objective here, which is not easy as this is horrifying.

The first thing that grabs my attention is the bangs were more of a soft "whump" then the sharp crack of military explosives. That suggests something small and home mixed. And despite the carnage close to the explosions, it could have been a lot worse. A significant military charge would have blown the crowd barriers clean across the street and taken out most of the people on the road.

Anybody notice it's 20 years after Waco, almost to the day? My money is on home-grown.

But who knows. No one nation or religion has a monopoly on nut jobs.

My thoughts are with all who suffered.
2013-04-16 06:39:32 AM
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Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


I honestly don't think this was related to any particular cause.

My pure, unfounded speculation: white male in his 20s . Single. He identifies himself as a sovereign citizen but he's probably an outcast because other members feel like he's too extreme.

But again - I'm just speculating. It's absolutely worthless.
2013-04-16 06:36:36 AM
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robohobo: [ image link of horror ]

I'm assuming that's the dreaded Picture Eight.I can see why it's so noted in these threads; I don't think I'll ever get that image out of my head. That's ghastly. That poor man.

God damn it.
2013-04-16 06:34:36 AM
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Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)



Like this one?
2013-04-16 06:33:22 AM
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Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html
2013-04-16 06:32:18 AM
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2013-04-16 06:28:29 AM
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mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


As I'm aware (and my information on this could be old), only 2/5 bombs even detonated correctly, and the suspect might have even been injured.

Could just be a case of noobishness. Frankly, half of terrorists are functionally retarded, the other half are really retarded.
2013-04-16 06:25:21 AM
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Emposter: I hope the jackass' name is on a police report so the guy can sue the shiat out of him.


This. And I am sure it is, as jackass was probably hoping for his 15 minutes of fame by being a big hero.
2013-04-16 06:17:18 AM
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April 16th is the day of the Virgina Tech massacre, could be linked to that in some twisted way.
Could be the first chinese terrorist attack, somehow linked to the Tienamen Square protests in '89.
Honestly, I'm guessing whichever nutbag did this had a nutbag reason for doing so. I'm trying to see how someone could be so pissed off at paying their taxes that they start blowing up innocent people and I'm drawing a complete blank.
Just mindless, ruthless bloodshed. My heart cries.
2013-04-16 06:13:50 AM
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Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Kim Il Sung's 101st birthday, the first ever helicopter flight in 1941, first US nuclear test in Nevada, in 1986 the US air raided Libya, and last year those spooks in Columbia got into trouble.
2013-04-16 06:12:41 AM
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mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


Yeah, the qualifying times scale up with age/gender, so it would have been mostly older and female runners at that point. Plus some charity runners (who don't have to qualify) and anyone who was just having a really bad day.

Also, at least when I ran it a few years ago, they had a second wave of slower runners that started 20-30 minutes later, so those people would have only been 3.5 hours or so into the race.

But I read somewhere that perhaps 75% were already done when it happened.
2013-04-16 06:10:32 AM
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Ed Grubermann: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Last day to pay your taxes.


Also "Patriot Day", which Lord knows there are people that see this sort of thing as patriotic.
2013-04-16 06:08:07 AM
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I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?
2013-04-16 05:55:47 AM
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On one hand, I find all the wild speculation about  the perpetrators' motives kind of annoying.  On the other hand, maybe it's just that some people, sympathizing with the victims, are going out on a limb.
2013-04-16 05:54:43 AM
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Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.
2013-04-16 05:48:57 AM
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So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.
2013-04-16 05:41:53 AM
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My pops and his friend are a o k.
 
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