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2013-04-16 11:46:32 PM  
Apparently it's a big difference between a muslim hipster and a muslin hipster.  An Asian hottie with a couple bottles of campaign and some fruit came up.
 
2013-04-16 11:48:49 PM  
 
2013-04-16 11:52:52 PM  

links136: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

In a marathon?  Maybe after 6 hours.  Who the fark expected a bomb to go off?

Like could you imagine if at every social gathering, every backpack left alone for 10 minutes was searched for bombs?  It would be chaos paranoia all around that would make the soviets blush.


Here in NYC I can't imagine a backpack left alone for 10 minutes period.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:30 PM  

luxup: links136: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

In a marathon?  Maybe after 6 hours.  Who the fark expected a bomb to go off?

Like could you imagine if at every social gathering, every backpack left alone for 10 minutes was searched for bombs?  It would be chaos paranoia all around that would make the soviets blush.

Here in NYC I can't imagine a backpack left alone for 10 minutes period.


Actually being canadian I have no idea how that shiat works down there so I should probably shut up more often.  Up here someone can't even bump into you without saying sorry.
 
2013-04-17 12:01:40 AM  

the biggest redneck here: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

And maybe he stood there for another 8 or 9 minutes before leaving the bag.

Or maybe he walked off 30 seconds later and has nothing at all to do with it.


You are absolutely correct.  And since I'm not a god (outside of my own head), I can't justify pointing my finger at him and saying "That's the guy!".  It could be, but there are a hundred other people in these photos who could've done it instead...


links136: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

In a marathon?  Maybe after 6 hours.  Who the fark expected a bomb to go off?

Like could you imagine if at every social gathering, every backpack left alone for 10 minutes was searched for bombs?  It would be chaos paranoia all around that would make the soviets blush.


I work on a college campus, in the library, during our late night hours (we close at 2am).  Just imagine how crazy things would be here if we jumped at every unattended backpack...  Though if you leave your bag and laptop and whatnot sitting on a desk while you run out to dinner, don't crying to me that it got stolen.  Of course it did, you moran.
 
2013-04-17 12:05:51 AM  

luxup: links136: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

In a marathon?  Maybe after 6 hours.  Who the fark expected a bomb to go off?

Like could you imagine if at every social gathering, every backpack left alone for 10 minutes was searched for bombs?  It would be chaos paranoia all around that would make the soviets blush.

Here in NYC I can't imagine a backpack left alone for 10 minutes period.


Having it get stolen doesn't count.
 
2013-04-17 12:08:44 AM  

Longtime Lurker: luxup: links136: serial_crusher: RatMaster999: 12 minutes before. Enough time to drop a back and walk out of the blast zone without undue rush.

I figure you'd want to cut it closer than that.  12 minutes is a lot of time for somebody to get suspicious or take that backpack to the lost and found

In a marathon?  Maybe after 6 hours.  Who the fark expected a bomb to go off?

Like could you imagine if at every social gathering, every backpack left alone for 10 minutes was searched for bombs?  It would be chaos paranoia all around that would make the soviets blush.

Here in NYC I can't imagine a backpack left alone for 10 minutes period.

Having it get stolen doesn't count.


actually, that just put the thought into my head of someone leaving a bomb in a bag, and some stupid idiot coming along, stealing it, darwining himself and saving everyone else.
 
2013-04-17 12:12:27 AM  

Mrbogey: I think it's probably better to start using his name at this point. Jeff Bauman Jr is easier to track than "pic number 8" and more personal than "wheelchair guy".


Jeff Bauman Jr and Carlos Arredondo should be remembered more than the piece of shiat who did this.

The positive to keep remembering is the good people who came through this.
 
2013-04-17 12:13:37 AM  
you know why can't we call this an act against us. us being humanity, them being the true pieces of shiat that live beside us. irregardless of where you live or what border bounds you. this was an act of someone with no compassion. it reminds me of some bus strike in israel.  when those happen some people here would give cheers.

when the culprit of this act is found, it could truly divide us.

i hope this wasn't done by a US citizen.

/i wish it wouldn't have done at all
 
2013-04-17 12:20:58 AM  

links136: Amos Quito: Giltric: ThrobblefootSpectre: LasersHurt:

Would a La Raza type be considered a whte nationalist?  I seem to remember people arguing that latinos/spanish/whatevers are considered white people  in another thread.


According to the FBI, "Hispanics" are "white", and are counted as such in their crime statistics.

Except in the realm of "hate crime" statistics, where they are counted as "Hispanic" when they are victims, but as "white" when they are perpetrators.


/Political Correctness FTW, y'all

Probably has more to do with the whole south hating mexicans, to help clarify the motive.  Cause when you really think about it, how many hate crimes are there where white people are the victim?  Honestly, i'd like to know.



Knock yourself out.


But remember, only whites "hate".

Crimes committed by all others are motivated "poverty" or some such.

/The recording of "bias crimes" is biased
 
2013-04-17 12:28:47 AM  
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet (I post this in another thread too) but there a local Boston TV station (WHDH) has photos before and after the 2nd bombing where a bag was sit along the side of the road.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/boston/10010384080855/exclu si ve-fbi-investigating-photo-that-shows-bag/
 
2013-04-17 12:31:08 AM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm not sure if this has been posted yet (I post this in another thread too) but there a local Boston TV station (WHDH) has photos before and after the 2nd bombing where a bag was sit along the side of the road.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/boston/10010384080855/exclu si ve-fbi-investigating-photo-that-shows-bag/


I swear I hate that bag.  Search the thread, there is no way that is a bomb.
 
2013-04-17 12:34:33 AM  

luxup: I swear I hate that bag. Search the thread, there is no way that is a bomb.


CNN has been all over this for the past 6 hours or so, and its so obvious based on the damage and images of the blast that it can't be the bag.  This is infuriating...
 
2013-04-17 12:49:17 AM  

luxup: Mrtraveler01: I'm not sure if this has been posted yet (I post this in another thread too) but there a local Boston TV station (WHDH) has photos before and after the 2nd bombing where a bag was sit along the side of the road.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/boston/10010384080855/exclu si ve-fbi-investigating-photo-that-shows-bag/

I swear I hate that bag.  Search the thread, there is no way that is a bomb.


balki1867: luxup: I swear I hate that bag. Search the thread, there is no way that is a bomb.

CNN has been all over this for the past 6 hours or so, and its so obvious based on the damage and images of the blast that it can't be the bag.  This is infuriating...


I apologize.
 
2013-04-17 12:58:19 AM  

Mrtraveler01: I apologize.


LOL, not your fault.  I was intrigued by it when I saw it too, but the more I looked at it the more it looks like everyone in the 'after' picture is fixated on things a good 10 feet away from the bag, and the damage seems centered on that area too.

I'm just amazed that CNN's been pimping this all evening and nobody has had a second thought there (although I concede that maybe there is something behind the blurring suggesting there's something to this).
 
2013-04-17 01:06:10 AM  
CNN says:


But so far, investigators have found no foreign or al Qaeda connection to the bombings, a U.S. official told CNN. And Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters in Washington that some of the facts suggest the carnage had its roots in American soil.


"There are a lot of things that are surrounding this that would give an indication that it may have been a domestic terrorist, but that just can't be assumed," Chambliss said.
 
2013-04-17 01:09:02 AM  

SnakeLee: CNN says:


But so far, investigators have found no foreign or al Qaeda connection to the bombings, a U.S. official told CNN. And Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters in Washington that some of the facts suggest the carnage had its roots in American soil.


"There are a lot of things that are surrounding this that would give an indication that it may have been a domestic terrorist, but that just can't be assumed," Chambliss said.


See?

Hipster foodie douchebags who use pressure cookers for everything.
 
2013-04-17 01:12:52 AM  

LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.


People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.
 
2013-04-17 01:17:42 AM  
whoever did this, it was attack on everyone of us. no matter your nationality, or sexual preference, or what sport team we follow. whoever did this attacked us.
 
2013-04-17 01:21:27 AM  

davidphogan: Mrbogey: I think it's probably better to start using his name at this point. Jeff Bauman Jr is easier to track than "pic number 8" and more personal than "wheelchair guy".

Jeff Bauman Jr and Carlos Arredondo should be remembered more than the piece of shiat who did this.

The positive to keep remembering is the good people who came through this.


Smart
 
2013-04-17 01:27:18 AM  

Amos Quito: links136: Amos Quito: Giltric: ThrobblefootSpectre: LasersHurt:

Would a La Raza type be considered a whte nationalist?  I seem to remember people arguing that latinos/spanish/whatevers are considered white people  in another thread.


According to the FBI, "Hispanics" are "white", and are counted as such in their crime statistics.

Except in the realm of "hate crime" statistics, where they are counted as "Hispanic" when they are victims, but as "white" when they are perpetrators.


/Political Correctness FTW, y'all

Probably has more to do with the whole south hating mexicans, to help clarify the motive.  Cause when you really think about it, how many hate crimes are there where white people are the victim?  Honestly, i'd like to know.


Knock yourself out.


But remember, only whites "hate".

Crimes committed by all others are motivated "poverty" or some such.

/The recording of "bias crimes" is biased


well, there is the whole 5 times as many anti-black as anti-white, despite whites being 75% and blacks being 13%.

And to be honest, white people are the only people i've ever met in general who weren't in poverty and still hated others.  I mean yeah, if your oppressed and living in poverty, your probably hateful towards others which is true for all races.  But at least in my experience, once you cross the threshold where you can live comfortably, things start to become a little more clear.  shiat in America, there's a large group that hate poor people for being poor, or Muslim.

I tell yea, i'm always amazed at how little attention Canadians get for the way they treat Natives as well.  It's almost as bad as America in the 50's, police and all, yet they have the most perfect reputation for being the most kind people.  A few months ago here in Winnipeg, some Natives were protesting the Harper government's environment deregulation, disregarding native governments, selling resources to China, and white people threw pennies at them as they marched towards the Legislative building.  It's farking nasty.

I honestly don't think it's a white genetic thing though, more a middle-class boredom thing.  Flame away i really don't care.
 
2013-04-17 01:41:13 AM  

Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.


Yeah that's pretty prejudice, but then again, WHO DOES THAT TO THEMSELVES.
 
2013-04-17 01:45:33 AM  

links136: Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.

Yeah that's pretty prejudice, but then again, WHO DOES THAT TO THEMSELVES.


Left wing nutjobs like a lot of Farkers.

/sorry, you set me up for that
 
2013-04-17 01:52:14 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: the money is in the banana stand: The All-Powerful Atheismo: CNN is reporting that an envelope sent to congress tested positive for ricin

Sent to the offices of Sen. Roger Wicker-MI (R) apparently who worked on a Veteran Affairs sub-committee that is linked to the Walter Reed scandal. Could it be a crazy vet with IED experience upset at his treatment?

Interesting...another possibility could be something opportunistic, another possibility is that...well...I don't WANT to say this, but it's Yet Another Possible Link To The Two Known Sorts Of Groups Known To Engage In Pipe Bombs At Major Gatherings.  (IF this is connected at all and not an opportunist attack--and we still don't know; the anthrax mailings at first were thought to be linked to the 11 September attacks but turned out to be a separate attack of opportunity which still has no known motive--IF it is connected, this does shove things a bit more towards the "Christian Identity militia cell" than Army of God; ricin is pretty much a racialist-terrorist trope (with at least one explicitly Christian Identity-linked militia group having been busted on WMD charges in past for attempting to manufacture ricin), whilst the Army of God has traditionally gone for faux anthrax mailings aimed at women's clinics.  In fact, I have to wonder if the (authentic) anthrax mailings were in fact inspired by the Army of God's faux-anthrax mailings they've done in past--the AoG did have a history of "bogus anthrax postal terrorism" that predated the 11 September attacks by a good half decade or more.)

/And goddamnit, didn't we all agree that Anthrax was to be known after 12 September 2001 as Basket Full Of Puppies? :D


If any federal agency is paying you, you need to be sent to prison for fraud.  If its just an idiot news organization they need to sue you into the ground

Some minor league terrorist group that has done jack all directly since 2001, and even loose affiliates haven't done anything since 96 not directly relating to anti-abortion attacks, is not involved in this.

Nobody other than commie-yak farmers in Nepal, Islamic terrorists and their sympathizers have use the pressure cooker bombs in over a decade.  Some white-supremacist groups have linked to the designs recently but there have been no documented cases of them actually using them.  So yeah the knowledge isn't new, but there are a very few subset of people that match the profile of actual users.  Bill Ayers 2.0 is a more likely suspect than your stupid non-abortion clinic Army of God attackers.  It's either an AQ branch (looking at you Mali & Yemen), a sympathizer of AQ or some lone wolf anti-government psycho.

Oh and in case you care, the ricin attack investigation is focused in on somebody who regularly sends nasty grams to Congress-critters & Senators.  Which again doesn't match your mythical Army of God garbage
 
2013-04-17 02:07:43 AM  

balki1867: Mrtraveler01: I apologize.

LOL, not your fault.  I was intrigued by it when I saw it too, but the more I looked at it the more it looks like everyone in the 'after' picture is fixated on things a good 10 feet away from the bag, and the damage seems centered on that area too.

I'm just amazed that CNN's been pimping this all evening and nobody has had a second thought there (although I concede that maybe there is something behind the blurring suggesting there's something to this).


I should've been skeptical considering the source.

WHDH is owned by the same folks who own WSVN in Miami who is notorious in the broadcasting world for introducing sensationalism to local news.

The reason they became so sensationalistic?  They lost their affiliation to NBC and added more newscasts as filler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSVN#News_operation

/Fun fact for the evening
//Long story short, I should never trust WSVN or WHDH for anything besides entertainment
///After seeing those photos, I was wondering about that garbage can that survived and thinking "man, that is one bombproof trashcan!"
 
2013-04-17 02:08:42 AM  

SnakeLee: Johnny Swank: jonnyh: ducklord666: Look a little like the one being carried by blue hat guy in those Deadspin pictures linked to earlier in the day?

I think it might look like this (hardly conclusive, given the resolutions of the photos):


[i.imgur.com image 850x356]

I still think that there's something totally off about that guy - that jacket is clearly overstuffed and too big. Weird.

Cinch strap locations match. Not uncommon at all to have two compression straps on a bag that size, but it's also a full zip pack (see where zipper was blow out) as well. That <could> be the dude, but we'll see.

[i49.tinypic.com image 850x356]

Other weird thing is that everyone is staring off to the right and this guy is staring to the left at the Asian guy in a blue jacket taking pictures.  Granted, the asian guy seems to have the same backpack...

/I would have to imagine whoever did this was wearing a hat/hoodie and sun glasses at the very least


I think that your aim of his gaze is a bit off.  I think that he is looking at the girl with the bike.
 
2013-04-17 02:12:19 AM  

ShadowKamui: It's either an AQ branch (looking at you Mali & Yemen), a sympathizer of AQ or some lone wolf anti-government psycho.


We can pretty much rule out an AQ branch doing this, because they would have taken credit for it already, and it would have been suicide-attack most likely.

Can't rule out it being a homegrown, AQ inspired terrorist or just a homegrown, unibomber type. Smart money is on one of those two.

Also, am I the ONLY one who is concerned about CNN telling everyone that they can google how to make these bombs, I haven't watched a lot of the coverage but the 2 or 3 hours I've caught today they have mentioned that about 30 times.

Anderson Cooper even said "Now, I just want to remind our viewers that we aren't telling people how to make these bombs, because this information is freely found on the internet if you google it"

WTF.
 
2013-04-17 02:44:14 AM  

ShadowKamui: Oh and in case you care, the ricin attack investigation is focused in on somebody who regularly sends nasty grams to Congress-critters & Senators. Which again doesn't match your mythical Army of God garbage


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)#Defensive_ Action_Statement

"[Paul] Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about 'killing the killers'. "
 
2013-04-17 02:47:45 AM  

Epiphany: links136: Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.

Yeah that's pretty prejudice, but then again, WHO DOES THAT TO THEMSELVES.

Left wing nutjobs like a lot of Farkers.

/sorry, you set me up for that


It's not so much that they are nut jobs and wanting to pin it on conservatives, as much they just hope to get themselves some extra votes. Can't you feel that Democratic party love? "Let's hope this is a teatard. Giggedy! For if it is, this will prove our ideology right once and for all! Forget about that Jim Jones guy."
 
2013-04-17 03:28:47 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: ShadowKamui: Oh and in case you care, the ricin attack investigation is focused in on somebody who regularly sends nasty grams to Congress-critters & Senators. Which again doesn't match your mythical Army of God garbage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)#Defensive_ Action_Statement

"[Paul] Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about 'killing the killers'. "


Which has nothing to do w/ random marathon runners and is aimed directly at abortion doctors.  Not to mention is over 20 freaking years old.  Seriously if you're going to try and boogie man some nefarious rightwing group at least pick some of the more current anti-government or racists ones or go all the way old school and say the KKK.  Nobody buying the anti-abortion, extremist Christian organization coming out of hiding after 12+ years to kill an 8 year old, an assistant manager at a dinner and a Chinese grad student; especially when Gosnell is still alive.

As for an actual AQ branch we kinda blew up Yemen's last spokesman so you need to give them a few days before you rule them out.  They aren't exactly the fastest bunch when claiming credit.
 
2013-04-17 03:55:06 AM  

muck4doo: For if it is, this will prove our ideology right once and for all!


Mucky, you know I respect you. And it also pisses me off how many people on Fark always blame Christianity or Right Winged politics everytime there is ANY sort of violent attack in America. If we were on Stormfront.org or the freepers website we would see the same shiat about leftists or democrats or athiests. I think its legit to point out  hypocrisy   no matter where it breeds, and a lot of Farkers are thankfully smart enough to do that.

The types of people that commit these terrorist acts aren't Muslims, they aren't Christians. They aren't Left Wing or Right Wing, they are monsters. Christianity and Islam are religions that promote forgiveness and love. Athiesm isn't a religion, but it also isn't a belief that human beings are worthless. We should all take these attacks for what they are, cruel and sensless, and bullshiat acts by individuals who are mentally ill.
 
2013-04-17 04:45:35 AM  

Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.


Huh...that's not how I remember that thread AT ALL.  Aside from a couple of people, most Farkers were quickly pointing out the holes in her story.  The RL friend who got it greenlit got angry, until it turned out those Farkers were right.

Perception is an interesting thing.
 
2013-04-17 04:54:35 AM  

TheAnvil: I cannot wait for all the relief, self-congratulations and gleeful, told-you-so finger-pointing on Fark once it is determined who actually is responsible.  Not sure I've ever seen so many who are relying on one event to validate their world-view.  Whichever side is correct will become even more insufferable.


Hard to imagine us getting MORE insufferable :)

My initial take, based on the 'tax day' timing, was domestic, probably lone nut.  But apparently, these pressure-cooker timed devices are a common thing internationally, associated with Muslim extremists...I'd just never heard of them being used as bombs that way.

So, I, for one, am back on the fence as to who is a likely suspect.
 
2013-04-17 05:23:00 AM  

PunGent: Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.

Huh...that's not how I remember that thread AT ALL.  Aside from a couple of people, most Farkers were quickly pointing out the holes in her story.  The RL friend who got it greenlit got angry, until it turned out those Farkers were right.

Perception is an interesting thing.


If you had the thread in question at your disposal you could do an actual count of the various types of comments and determine how well each of your perceptions correlate to what actually transpired.
 
2013-04-17 05:44:59 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 06:52:19 AM  
 
2013-04-17 07:28:40 AM  

Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.


What's your point? Nobody can speculate unless they speculate "fairly" so nobody's feelings get hurt?

Yeah there are extremists all over the spectrum, sure, but I don't feel like I have to list every last one of them to be fair to one or the other.
 
2013-04-17 07:49:44 AM  

Epiphany: muck4doo: For if it is, this will prove our ideology right once and for all!

Mucky, you know I respect you. And it also pisses me off how many people on Fark always blame Christianity or Right Winged politics everytime there is ANY sort of violent attack in America. If we were on Stormfront.org or the freepers website we would see the same shiat about leftists or democrats or athiests. I think its legit to point out  hypocrisy   no matter where it breeds, and a lot of Farkers are thankfully smart enough to do that.

The types of people that commit these terrorist acts aren't Muslims, they aren't Christians. They aren't Left Wing or Right Wing, they are monsters. Christianity and Islam are religions that promote forgiveness and love. Athiesm isn't a religion, but it also isn't a belief that human beings are worthless. We should all take these attacks for what they are, cruel and sensless, and bullshiat acts by individuals who are mentally ill.


Well said, and I agree.
 
2013-04-17 08:38:00 AM  

jonnyh: This guy, from the deadspin photo, really freaks me out. His coat looks too heavy, looks way too big, and the bag looks too new. Military haircut, looking the wrong way from the rest of the crowd, and what look like earbuds or a mic.

[i.imgur.com image 302x343]

Just sayin' - that creepd me out plenty.


Now that I'm looking at it on a larger screen, it's also interesting that there seems to be another black bag on the ground just to his right.  I don't  think that second bag is what is hanging over the other guy's shoulder, but I'm not entirely sure.  It's sometimes hard to tell things like that for sure in a 2D photo -- depth and perspective can be tricky.  Obviously, it may belong to the guy standing next to him, but who knows.  I'd be interested to know if they were together.

I don't make make much of the direction he's looking.  A photo is a moment in time and any person could look in any direction for just a moment...other than the people right up by the street, most of the people are looking in various directions.
 
2013-04-17 08:51:12 AM  

Epiphany: muck4doo: For if it is, this will prove our ideology right once and for all!

Mucky, you know I respect you. And it also pisses me off how many people on Fark always blame Christianity or Right Winged politics everytime there is ANY sort of violent attack in America. If we were on Stormfront.org or the freepers website we would see the same shiat about leftists or democrats or athiests. I think its legit to point out  hypocrisy   no matter where it breeds, and a lot of Farkers are thankfully smart enough to do that.

The types of people that commit these terrorist acts aren't Muslims, they aren't Christians. They aren't Left Wing or Right Wing, they are monsters. Christianity and Islam are religions that promote forgiveness and love. Athiesm isn't a religion, but it also isn't a belief that human beings are worthless. We should all take these attacks for what they are, cruel and sensless, and bullshiat acts by individuals who are mentally ill.


maybe it was strategy to avoid getting bombed by South Korea??
 
2013-04-17 09:01:11 AM  

luxup: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57579915-504083/atlanta-thrift - shop-worker-hospitalized-after-explosion/

Package exploded when opened by thrift shop worker.


Test?
 
2013-04-17 09:55:09 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: castor beans.  natural sources of castor oil
which we all know is good for you


It's excellent on squeaky castors.
 
2013-04-17 09:59:49 AM  

mikaloyd: PunGent: Epiphany: LasersHurt: We don't know who did it or why yet, but the next person to act INCREDULOUS that someone would think it's a right wing extremist should be thoroughly pistol whipped. That's not an outlandish thing to think - they've got a history of boomery. All conjecture, sure, but stop pretending like it's time to ascend the cross.

People are acting INCREDULOUS!?!?! CAPS LOCK!?!?! because it's Fark, and any time anything violent act happens it is ALWAYS instantly speculated here on fark that its a "right winged extremist" or "christian" that did it.

What was it only a few months ago some biatch carved hate speech into her body in Colorado and lit her house on fire and ran naked to her neighbors house, and blamed it on anti-gay christians, and the farkers had a field day for the most part.

Huh...that's not how I remember that thread AT ALL.  Aside from a couple of people, most Farkers were quickly pointing out the holes in her story.  The RL friend who got it greenlit got angry, until it turned out those Farkers were right.

Perception is an interesting thing.

If you had the thread in question at your disposal you could do an actual count of the various types of comments and determine how well each of your perceptions correlate to what actually transpired.


Seriously not going to waste time doing that :)

Besides, I'm not sure it would be all that helpful; I find web postings ambiguous at best; even when you agree with someone, you can find yourselves at cross-purposes just because you don't get tone, etc, that comes across with verbal dialog.

So, one man's "some Republicans (and some Democrats) supported Fascism before WWII" becomes another man's "omfg all Republicans are nazis".

It's very inefficient, frankly.  I only keep at it because I sometimes learn things.
 
2013-04-17 10:42:24 AM  

PunGent: If you had the thread in question at your disposal you could do an actual count of the various types of comments and determine how well each of your perceptions correlate to what actually transpired.

Seriously not going to waste time doing that :)


You'd have to count posters, not comments, anyway; someone who says the same thing 5 times doesn't count more than someone who says it once. And what about people who changed their opinions, or who pointed out flaws in both sides' arguments?

I remember that thread well because I got accused of supporting both sides, each by the other, simply for not instantly and completely agreeing with that side's point of view. (I was actually of the "well, it does sound fishy overall, but this, that, and this other thing could be explained thusly, so we need more information" point of view ... and partisans have no tolerance for non-partisans) My own recollections may be biased by the fact they (the people, not the recollections) turned out to be right, but I seem to recall more people saying "hey, this looks bogus" than the opposite.

Some day, I would like to start a forum where use of any labels was utterly forbidden, whether applied to someone else or yourself. You couldn't say "I'm a conservative" or "He's a liberal" or anything at all; you'd have to say "I believe this, that, and some other thing". No labels. No shortcuts. And more important, no lumping other people into categories. Among other things, there are far more than two points of view on anything; trying to lump everyone into two categories (especially two roughly defined as "good people who agree with me" and "bad people who disagree with me") leads nowhere. It might lead to some very interesting discussions if people actually had to talk about what they believed, and respond to what other people believe, rather than just slapping convenient labels on everyone and treating them like the embodiments of everything (especially everything negative) they see in that label. There are hundreds of millions of people in the US alone, and hundreds of millions of points of view. Not just two.

Look at me: I've been around here for a few years, and I post a fair bit. Am I a liberal or a conservative?

The correct answer is "no."

I'm Worldwalker. Sometimes my ideas line up with those considered liberal. Sometimes they line up with those considered conservative. So the liberals look and see "hey, that post of WW's doesn't agree with my point of view; WW's a conservative!" and the conservatives look at another post and say "hey, that's not a conservative position, so WW is a liberal!" And, of course, they're both wrong. The only people who adhere strictly to some political position are those who base their opinions on their political choice instead of the other way around. That is, the kind of people who will agree with something they actually disagree with (doublethink ftw!) because they believe it's the correct position for the faction they've aligned themselves with. But most people, while they might tend to support the faction that seems closer to their point of view, rarely agree completely with it. There are people who favor small government but more gun control. There are people who support expanded social programs and restrictions on abortion. There are people whose opinions are, well, just about anywhere you can imagine on a multi-dimensional spectrum, and neither of the two points defines them. That's most people.

Most of us know that we are those people. We know our opinions aren't completely in accordance with what we're told is the "true liberal" or "true conservative" position, or anything else for that matter. We know we're individuals, not stereotypes. Yet we try to claim that our opponents of the moment, whoever they may be, aren't individuals; they're just caricatures of some political position, generally one they don't even hold. We're real people; they're straw men.

I'm seeing this a lot in this thread. "Liberals believe this..."or "conservatives believe that..." -- always, of course, the group being labeled is the one the person doing the labeling doesn't identify with. And yeah, some liberals believe this, whatever "this" is. And some conservatives believe that, too. But that doesn't tell you jack about what so-and-so the Farker believes. It's like saying "since the average man is taller than the average woman, Joe must be taller than Mary." The odds might favor Joe being taller than Mary, but probability is not certainty. Sure, it's easy to slap a label on someone and then respond to the label. Makes for great straw men. Handy for preaching to the choir, too. But it doesn't do jack if you really want to convince the other person that you're right, or even convince the lurkers that you've got a valid point. All it does is make you feel good. (true, this is Fark, that might be all a lot of people come for)
 
2013-04-17 10:52:52 AM  
Has anyone blamed XKCD yet for inspiring the use of a pressure cooker?
http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/
 
2013-04-17 11:49:17 AM  
ShadowKamui:  Vlad_the_Inaner: ShadowKamui: Oh and in case you care, the ricin attack investigation is focused in on somebody who regularly sends nasty grams to Congress-critters & Senators. Which again doesn't match your mythical Army of God garbage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)#Defensive_ Action_Statement
"[Paul] Hill was head of a precursor organization called Defensive Action, which issued signed statements to members of Congress in the early 1990s expressing similar sentiments about 'killing the killers'. "
Which has nothing to do w/ random marathon runners and is aimed directly at abortion doctors.  Not to mention is over 20 freaking years old.  Seriously if you're going to try and boogie man some nefarious rightwing group at least pick some of the more current anti-government or racists ones or go all the way old school and say the KKK.  Nobody buying the anti-abortion, extremist Christian organization coming out of hiding after 12+ years to kill an 8 year old, an assistant manager at a dinner and a Chinese grad student; especially when Gosnell is still alive.
As for an actual AQ branch we kinda blew up Yemen's last spokesman so you need to give them a few days before you rule them out.  They aren't exactly the fastest bunch when claiming credit.

Right because right wing advocates have never brought up old groups like the weathermen who haven't done anything in 4 decades.
 
2013-04-17 11:55:16 AM  
I'm going with 2 people who were coordinating time somehow (phone call?  Walkie-talkie?).  I can't believe someone dropped a bag, left for however long it takes to walk the 100 yards to second location, drop a bag and continue on to not get hurt.  Is it confirmed that BOTH devices were in the same type of black bag?  Or are they different fabrics found?  Not to say two people walked around together, but that is probably something else the FBI is looking at.

God Damn, I hope there is a break in this case soon.  I'm losing too much work being an internet detective.
 
2013-04-17 12:08:30 PM  

luxup: ducklord666: ACunningPlan: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-mar a thon-bomb


Photos of bomb parts - apparently.

Hey guys...

Doesn't this bag:

[waga.images.worldnow.com image 640x426]

Look a little like the one being carried by blue hat guy in those Deadspin pictures linked to earlier in the day?

Here's the link:  http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these-a r e-my-473591429

Just a thought.

Yeah it does.  What an unusual item for a person to be carrying, and in such a rare color too.  Looks like we got him.


Heh.  I deserved that.  Time to back away from the Internet sleuthing for a bit.
 
2013-04-17 12:29:11 PM  

ShadowKamui: Which has nothing to do w/ random marathon runners and is aimed directly at abortion doctors.


Or nothing to do with people going to with the Olympics. huh.

Nope.the AOG has not interest in piddling little sporting events, when there abortion targets around.

That would NEVER happen!

/the real point of the previous post was that such nutjobs do write screeds to Congress, just like the person who is listed on the ricin test positive envelope return address did.
 
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