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2013-04-16 11:10:31 AM

that bosnian sniper: Snarfangel: balki1867: namegoeshere: I guess we should be thankful they're not going with the obvious "Boston Masacre Pt 2."

Too late, CNN is already calling this the Boston Massacre.  I guess people forget that even though it's been ~250 years, the Boston Massacre was actually a thing.

Their second choice was Marathonicide, but it sounded too much like a bug spray.

I was going with "Boston Marabomb" myself.


Boston Massacre-athon
 
2013-04-16 11:11:59 AM

47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.


Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.
 
2013-04-16 11:12:19 AM

jack21221: Flab: badscooter: NSFW graphic picture

/top right of picture
//not a single fark was given

Just underneath the "y" is "picture #8" guy.

No, it isn't. That guy is only missing one leg, and that leg he is missing doesn't have bone shards sticking out, and he has more skin.


I'll take your work for it.  I have no intention of doing a comparative study of the two images.
 
2013-04-16 11:13:25 AM

SpectroBoy: Here's what Patton Oswald said.

Boston. farking horrible.
I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."

But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. ......
<snip>


That's awesome.  Note to self - "Like" Patton's page when I get home tonight.
 
2013-04-16 11:13:56 AM

the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


Dude you're hardcore. Wanna trade pokeymon?
 
2013-04-16 11:15:07 AM

the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


You're not an American, are you?

Seriously, what makes a "terrorist" more deserving of torture than a "serial killer" or a mass shooter?

Just because he's called a scary thing doesn't mean we throw away the Constitution.
 
2013-04-16 11:15:30 AM

Ned Stark: the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.

Dude you're hardcore. Wanna trade pokeymon?


Pfft get with the times, it is all about Skylanders now.
 
2013-04-16 11:15:34 AM

Phinn: There is a lot of white smoke in the blast, but the post-blast haze has a blue tint to it.  This photo shows both --


Ya that would make me think black powder too, but the flash is fricking huge compared to the amount of smoke.  If thats black powder then somebody packed that shiat in tight, damn tight.   I'm no farking expert, hell i'm not even qualified as an amateur.  But I have seen black powder explosions about a hundred times.  I dont understand why all the smoke is going up instead of half of it going out.  That much gunpowder, you shouldnt even be able to see ground zero for the next 45 seconds.

/Fark Demolotion Brigade "were  full of shiat fertilizer"
 
2013-04-16 11:16:35 AM

Infernalist: I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?


Not the way you want it to be.

Black powder has not been used in modern ammunition since the late 19th century.  It's use today is limited to antique and reproduction weapons based on US Civil war and earlier designs.  Even in those cases, a lot of shooters use substitutes.

Sorry, but the possible use of black powder won't help your gun control efforts.
 
2013-04-16 11:16:42 AM

Alonjar: DammitIForgotMyLogin: mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?

Do all the runners start together?

Lol no... there were 27,000 runners. The perps just waited for enough people and cameras to be near the bombs, I'm sure.


yeah, but the runners are all bunched together in a starting area near the line, explosions at the beginning of the race would have been unspeakable carnage. Hard enough as it is.
 
2013-04-16 11:17:35 AM

nekom: SurelyShirley: BigBooper: I saw picture 8! What is seen can't be unseen!

I saw picture 8 and pretty much all the other images and videos that were posted yesterday. While I'm not grossed out by graphic images like that, what got to me this morning was, that this guy wakes up today (hopefully, he was well sedated overnight), and that's his new reality. It's not a picture, it's his life that changed forever within a split second because of some demented person's agenda.

And it is reported that between 20-25 people have lost at least one leg. And an 8 year old child who was eagerly waiting for his father to cross the finish line is dead, as well as I believe 2 others so far. In a sense, THAT is what we DON'T get to much from other countries. We hear about 50 people killed in a car bomb in Iraq and it's just a number in the media. When it happens here, every victim has their own life story and the human suffering this sort of thing causes REALLY sinks in.


I agree. We rarely or never hear the back stories about victims in other countries, only numbers. One could come up with a number of reasons as to why, practical and cynical.
 
2013-04-16 11:18:53 AM

orclover: Phinn: There is a lot of white smoke in the blast, but the post-blast haze has a blue tint to it.  This photo shows both --

Ya that would make me think black powder too, but the flash is fricking huge compared to the amount of smoke.  If thats black powder then somebody packed that shiat in tight, damn tight.   I'm no farking expert, hell i'm not even qualified as an amateur.  But I have seen black powder explosions about a hundred times.  I dont understand why all the smoke is going up instead of half of it going out.  That much gunpowder, you shouldnt even be able to see ground zero for the next 45 seconds.

/Fark Demolotion Brigade "were  full of shiat fertilizer"


Do the Peroxide bombs leave the same type of flash?
 
2013-04-16 11:19:35 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


No. Lets not do that.
 
2013-04-16 11:19:40 AM
University of Mobile's Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.
"They kept making announcements to the participants do not worry, it's just a training exercise," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15.
Stevenson said he saw law enforcement spotters on the roofs at the start of the race. He's been in plenty of marathons in Chicago, D.C., Chicago, London and other major metropolitan areas but has never seen that level of security before.
"Evidently, I don't believe they were just having a training exercise," Stevenson said. "I think they must have had some sort of threat or suspicion called in."
 
2013-04-16 11:20:51 AM

Cluckity: Anonymous is saying full ground stop at Logan due to https://twitter.com/BloombergNews/status/324174681961820160


Translation: the TSA forgot to confiscate a bottle of water from someone.
 
2013-04-16 11:21:44 AM

orclover: nekom: Farmer Joe comes in and buys some fertilizer, as he has for years, no one raises an eyebrow. Somebody who the store owner has never seen before and doesn't appear to know the first thing about farming or own a farm? Kinda doubt that will go unchallenged. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Also, that does complicate the device considerably as a blasting cap is necessary for ANFO, no?

First time my buddy went in there was two years ago, they had never met him nor heard of his family.  He paid and they just pointed their thumb tward the back and said 'help yerself', he paid cash.  Real eyebrow raising moment for him this being post 9/11.  Pretty rural though.

FLMountainMan: For the ignorant among us, how much is a "canister" of gunpowder?  Is it the size of a Coke can?  Paint can?  Just curious.  It's remarkable to me what you can buy?

Not alot actually.  On can of powder I acquired from a dear friend of mines storage shed after he died is about 24oz, i'll check the safe:  sorry 16oz.  Probably enough for a decent single pipe bomb.  You might be able to buy a couple of those without sweating it but any more and the owner better know you or god help you evading notice.  When I was a much younger and dumber youth I could buy a decent size cylinder, about 1 liter bottle size pretty cheap and canon fuse.   It was for my canon.


There's been a massive run on reloading supplies lately; people have been buying everything on the shelves because the stuff is on the shelf and they're now hoarders. I don't think that buying every container of powder at WalMart would raise an eyebrow any more.
 
2013-04-16 11:21:44 AM

star_topology: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x634]

So sad... So angry...


I can't even imagine what the father is going through.  Wife has a TBI, and daughter lost a leg.
 
2013-04-16 11:21:52 AM
 
2013-04-16 11:21:52 AM

the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


AGREED!!!

/American!!!
//Those individuals that have died or have been injured by this moron had rights too!!!
 
2013-04-16 11:22:04 AM
No way is that ANFO. ANFO doesn't blow like that, and is also notoriously hard to set off. You NEED a primary charge, blasting caps or det cord and plenty of it. It's really a pain in the ass compared to "real" explosives. And u need a lot of it too insure that it kicks off... Which is why it's used for truck bombs not small stuff.
 
2013-04-16 11:22:29 AM

fireclown: Kentucky Fried Panda: People care because it was an attack on innocence. An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.

A damned good point.  I'm having a brain/heart struggle with this whole thing.  My left brain (always the **hole) tells me that I should regard those hurt and killed in this attack in exactly the same way as the innumerable people killed by bombs in churches, mosques, discos and markets all over the world.  My right brain is screaming blue bloody murder, and I think it's largely because I'm a runner (and occasional marathoner) and I think that I'm having a reaction because someone targeted people very much like myself.  It's inside my monkeysphere, and it'shiatting me pretty hard.  In turn, that's leading to some guilt over being a little blase over other events.


Why?  I don't feel guilty over that.  If one of your immediate family members was a victim, wouldn't you feel even more emotion than when someone on the other side of the world is killed?  It's perfectly natural and normal to feel and have varying levels of concern for people depending on their connections to you, be it personal or impersonal.  One can't lead a normal life being distraught over every human death, or even the ones culture has told half your brain you think you should care about.

Evolution has made us that way so we function in this world.  Don't over analyze it, and certainly don't get down on yourself about it.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:08 AM

jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4


Barn door.  Horse.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:27 AM

Richard Sauce: that bosnian sniper: Snarfangel: balki1867: namegoeshere: I guess we should be thankful they're not going with the obvious "Boston Masacre Pt 2."

Too late, CNN is already calling this the Boston Massacre.  I guess people forget that even though it's been ~250 years, the Boston Massacre was actually a thing.

Their second choice was Marathonicide, but it sounded too much like a bug spray.

I was going with "Boston Marabomb" myself.

Boston Massacre-athon


I imagined last night that someone would have some word play fir its front page headline. So far I only saw the NY Post and they had 'TERROR' as the front headline.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:49 AM

SurelyShirley:
I agree. We rarely or never hear the back stories about victims in other countries, only numbers. One could come up with a number of reasons as to why, practical and cynical.


I don't think that we are being shielded from it, at least not those of us who watch things closely, photos of overseas terrorist bombs are out there, but we almost never get the back story. Part of that is probably innocent enough, we simply don't have the kind of bureaus overseas that the media has in Boston. I'm sure when a car bomb explodes in Iraq, every single victim has a story behind their life, but we rarely get that story. Now we have the poor child who was killed, the man who those of us who have morbid curiosity have seen with his legs both blown right the fark off, the man in the cowboy hat, etc.

It's worth remembering that even though we don't see it, when this happens in Iraq or wherever, it's the same tragedy. People are, for the most part, good. I've chatted with people in Iraq and Iran. Yes, they have their crazies, just like we do, but the majority of people are just trying to make their way in life. They bake bread and love their children. They sometimes make mistakes. They don't deserve to be blown up any more than anyone here does, and it's equally tragic when it happens there. We just don't "get" the whole picture as we do here.
 
2013-04-16 11:24:30 AM
it's not black powder. Its either PETN or something similiar that was home brewed.

It's not even regular "smokeless powder". while there is plenty of smoke, the flash and explosion are far to quick for a large gun powder explosion, and not nearly enough smoke for that.

the blast was fairly short range even with the understanding that the crowds absorbed much of the blast.

again...the explosive you are looking for is PETN.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aleeJ9Rg4Hw
 
2013-04-16 11:24:33 AM

Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.


Wood shed.  Donkey.
 
2013-04-16 11:24:44 AM

mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


A bunch of reasons by people are still coming in at 4+ hours:
Qualifying times are based on age and are above 3 hours for everyone. My qualifying time is 3:15 (my PB is 3:36, getting closer).
The clock shows the start time of the first wave. People who started in later waves effectively lost time (the timing chip takes care of that).
There are a lot of charity runners who did not qualify (I ran NYC that way, oh wait, it was cancelled).
People who qualified may not have trained as hard for Boston, due to injury or whatever, and so may be slower for Boston than their qualifier.
 
2013-04-16 11:24:57 AM

orclover: Phinn: There is a lot of white smoke in the blast, but the post-blast haze has a blue tint to it.  This photo shows both --

Ya that would make me think black powder too, but the flash is fricking huge compared to the amount of smoke.  If thats black powder then somebody packed that shiat in tight, damn tight.   I'm no farking expert, hell i'm not even qualified as an amateur.  But I have seen black powder explosions about a hundred times.  I dont understand why all the smoke is going up instead of half of it going out.  That much gunpowder, you shouldnt even be able to see ground zero for the next 45 seconds.

/Fark Demolotion Brigade "were  full of shiat fertilizer"


Further pure speculation:

A thin-walled, relatively easily burst container for the powder will open up and spread unburnt and burning powder before all of it can be burned.   The resulting fireball can be very dramatic looking, but not as powerful as its size might indicate.  Perhaps they used PVC pipes instead of thick metal pipes.

Hollywood "fools" us all the time in just this manner, by using things like gasoline in their explosions to create a large fireball that doesn't really add to the explosive effect, but it looks very impressive.
 
2013-04-16 11:25:10 AM

Skarekrough: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Well, it was Tax Day.

And Patriot's Day.

And near the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But other than that, nothing I can think of....


The start of the Arab revolts in Palestine.
 
2013-04-16 11:25:11 AM

jfivealive: Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.

Wood shed.  Donkey.


I would not want to be brown in the Boston area for the next few weeks.
 
2013-04-16 11:25:47 AM

jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4


Isn't that a flight from Philly to Boston?
 
2013-04-16 11:26:24 AM

orclover: I dont understand why all the smoke is going up instead of half of it going out.


Hot air rises.  Plus the explosion was in a relatively closed space, so there wasn't much room for the smoke to go sideways before being pushed back in by the shockwave rebounding on the walls across the street.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:38 AM

jfivealive: Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.

Wood shed.  Donkey.


Love shack.  Baby.
 
2013-04-16 11:26:51 AM
 
2013-04-16 11:27:04 AM

ShadowKamui: orclover: Phinn: There is a lot of white smoke in the blast, but the post-blast haze has a blue tint to it.  This photo shows both --

Ya that would make me think black powder too, but the flash is fricking huge compared to the amount of smoke.  If thats black powder then somebody packed that shiat in tight, damn tight.   I'm no farking expert, hell i'm not even qualified as an amateur.  But I have seen black powder explosions about a hundred times.  I dont understand why all the smoke is going up instead of half of it going out.  That much gunpowder, you shouldnt even be able to see ground zero for the next 45 seconds.

/Fark Demolotion Brigade "were  full of shiat fertilizer"

Do the Peroxide bombs leave the same type of flash?


Sorry, no idea.  I have experience with Black Powder, smokeless, thermite, nitrogen triiodide and military grade toys.  Also an experiment in making flammable gas was ignited by accident that removed all the hair off my head.  It grew back before summer vacation was over.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:07 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.


No, because then we become the monsters they think we are validating them in a way. Better to put a gun to their head, pull the trigger, and be done with them.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:10 AM

jfivealive: Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.

Wood shed.  Donkey.


Temba, his arms wide.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:24 AM
No one in custody yet.  It's the first 48 hours that are the most crucial isn't it?  Or does that just go for television kidnap shows?
 
2013-04-16 11:27:49 AM

LessO2: Boston bombing is a great reason you should buy gold: Glenn Beck

What a dick.


Wow. Honestly, if that doesn't show him to be a COMPLETE shill, I don't know what would.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:51 AM

badscooter: NSFW graphic picture

/top right of picture
//not a single fark was given


WTF...! Looks like they are giving quite a fark.
 
2013-04-16 11:27:51 AM

SlothB77: University of Mobile's Cross Country Coach, who was near the finish line of the Boston Marathon when a series of explosions went off, said he thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs at the start and finish lines.
"They kept making announcements to the participants do not worry, it's just a training exercise," Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15.
Stevenson said he saw law enforcement spotters on the roofs at the start of the race. He's been in plenty of marathons in Chicago, D.C., Chicago, London and other major metropolitan areas but has never seen that level of security before.
"Evidently, I don't believe they were just having a training exercise," Stevenson said. "I think they must have had some sort of threat or suspicion called in."


How would he know they were 'bomb sniffing dogs' just by looking at them?

Local guy looking for his 15 minutes.
 
2013-04-16 11:28:23 AM

jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4


A brown-skinned person probably coughed at the wrong time.
 
2013-04-16 11:28:29 AM

Mose: fireclown: Kentucky Fried Panda: People care because it was an attack on innocence. An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.

A damned good point.  I'm having a brain/heart struggle with this whole thing.  My left brain (always the **hole) tells me that I should regard those hurt and killed in this attack in exactly the same way as the innumerable people killed by bombs in churches, mosques, discos and markets all over the world.  My right brain is screaming blue bloody murder, and I think it's largely because I'm a runner (and occasional marathoner) and I think that I'm having a reaction because someone targeted people very much like myself.  It's inside my monkeysphere, and it'shiatting me pretty hard.  In turn, that's leading to some guilt over being a little blase over other events.

Why?  I don't feel guilty over that.  If one of your immediate family members was a victim, wouldn't you feel even more emotion than when someone on the other side of the world is killed?  It's perfectly natural and normal to feel and have varying levels of concern for people depending on their connections to you, be it personal or impersonal.  One can't lead a normal life being distraught over every human death, or even the ones culture has told half your brain you think you should care about.

Evolution has made us that way so we function in this world.  Don't over analyze it, and certainly don't get down on yourself about it.


Thanks for the kind word.  I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over the whole thing, but I'm having kind of a teachable moment.
 
2013-04-16 11:28:55 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Isn't that a flight from Philly to Boston?


Yes, and they just gave it "all clear".
 
2013-04-16 11:29:03 AM

ShadowKamui: Do the Peroxide bombs leave the same type of flash?


It's a very light-colored flash.  Blonde in hue, one could almost say.
 
2013-04-16 11:29:18 AM

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


Profound shock will do that.
 
2013-04-16 11:29:28 AM
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-04-16 11:29:31 AM

cameroncrazy1984: the money is in the banana stand: 47 is the new 42: Do not view those pictures while trying to eat.  Don't say I didn't warn you.  I hope we get whoever did this, and put him in a Supermaxium Prison for the rest of his/her/their life/lives.

Personally, I think that special exceptions should be made for person(s) taking part in terrorist events and introduce them to hell on earth. Torture them for as long as humanly possible and keep them alive. Once they expire, defile their corpses. Strike their names from any sort of history book and continue on life as normal as possible.

You're not an American, are you?

Seriously, what makes a "terrorist" more deserving of torture than a "serial killer" or a mass shooter?

Just because he's called a scary thing doesn't mean we throw away the Constitution.


www.theclevelandfan.com
 
2013-04-16 11:29:41 AM

jfivealive: Jerry Westerby: jfivealive: Plane at Logan airport stopped

http://www.businessinsider.com/flight-stopped-at-bostons-logan-airpo rt -2013-4

Barn door.  Horse.

Wood shed.  Donkey.


Tin roof. Rusted.
 
2013-04-16 11:29:53 AM

Stratohead: it's not black powder. Its either PETN or something similiar that was home brewed.

It's not even regular "smokeless powder". while there is plenty of smoke, the flash and explosion are far to quick for a large gun powder explosion, and not nearly enough smoke for that.

the blast was fairly short range even with the understanding that the crowds absorbed much of the blast.

again...the explosive you are looking for is PETN.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aleeJ9Rg4Hw


Not enough smoke.

Also, the large fireball could be adequately explained by unburnt powder being spread and ignited because the casing of the bomb burst before all the powder was burnt.
 
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