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2013-04-16 10:34:28 AM

Kentucky Fried Panda: People care because it was an attack on innocence. An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.


A damned good point.  I'm having a brain/heart struggle with this whole thing.  My left brain (always the **hole) tells me that I should regard those hurt and killed in this attack in exactly the same way as the innumerable people killed by bombs in churches, mosques, discos and markets all over the world.  My right brain is screaming blue bloody murder, and I think it's largely because I'm a runner (and occasional marathoner) and I think that I'm having a reaction because someone targeted people very much like myself.  It's inside my monkeysphere, and it'shiatting me pretty hard.  In turn, that's leading to some guilt over being a little blase over other events.
 
2013-04-16 10:35:05 AM

bdub77: Can we not keep people in our thoughts and prayers? Oh I'm sorry Mr. Douchebag, you're tired of it so we should all be tired of having sympathy for the dead and wounded and their families and everyone else who was affected by this tragedy?

This kind of event is a hard but important reminder that you can impact the lives of people. Doesn't mean you have to go directly to Boston and donate blood, just be involved in your community, help someone get an education, be a farking model of personal responsibility, whatever. Just don't spend your entire life finding something to piss and moan about from the comfort of your farking computer terminal because you think it's cool to rag on it, after all people can't have a sense of morality or responsibility, this is the 21st century right?



but why these people?  and why do so many feel the need to express that publicly?  i'm just curious about why certain deaths are worthy of nationwide mourning and prayer circles, and others are not.  and i guess we sort of agree (except i don't see a terror attack as a reminder) that you can make difference and differences are being made everyday around the world.  tragedy and life happens everyday, so why don't we post our thoughts and prayers about those events?  why do people not connect in the slightest to boston feel the need to let the world (via facebook, twitter, fark, whatevs) know that they really care?  doesn't it seem strange to you?  mourning for show?  it's just curious to me...but i guess i shouldn't ask, as that makes me a douchenozzle or something.
 
2013-04-16 10:35:44 AM

Snarfangel: It's obvious that the person/group/political party I despise the most caused this terrible tragedy. It's absolutely *not* baseless supposition if I really hate them.

I shall now cherry-pick my evidence to support this conclusion, and ignore the naysayers and their "facts."



I wonder how many people attempting to blame the "right wing" were trying to debunk the connection between a certain attack in Libya that happened on the same day that some people flew planes into office buildings years earlier....
 
2013-04-16 10:35:47 AM

Witchydiva: SoupJohnB: Witchydiva: Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.

Heard that, and thought Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a logical link with the other federal agencies following this incident.  One response to 9/11 was to have agencies not "silo" any intel that might be applicable to common interests.

I get the breakdowns on the siloing, I was just curious at what seemed to be an odd singling out of that particular agency, and the emphasis on the "worldwide" and "global" part of the investigation.

Ah, so much speculation, so little time.


Well, if they don't catch this person in a few days, there's a pretty good chance he'd try to cross a border. Makes sense that they'd want to take that possibility into account.
 
2013-04-16 10:36:03 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Phinn: No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells, then packed it into a rigid container, like a pipe bomb, or similar.

Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?


I would think it'd be more traceable. Besides, the shotgun shells contain shot, so it would explain the so-called 'ball bearings'. I would think it makes sense actually, if you wanted to created an explosion that was hard to trace you'd make a pipe bomb using shotgun shells. The shells would probably be entirely untraceable.
 
2013-04-16 10:36:07 AM

Phinn: No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells,


why?  you can buy gunpowder just as easily as you can buy shotgun shells.
 
2013-04-16 10:36:21 AM

JayCab: Not that it makes people an expert or anything, but does nobody talking about the explosives used watch Mythbusters? They may or may not embellish some things through editing, but their explosions are pretty much done as-is and they are almost always clear on which sort of explosive they're using. I'm about to head in to work so I don't have time to go through the 120 pages of boom on the Discovery.com/Mythbusters page but surely someone does.


My impression is that their explosive shoots are honest and give you a good idea of how different explosive media behave, but I've only seen dynamite detonations in person.
 
2013-04-16 10:36:34 AM
So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?
 
2013-04-16 10:37:37 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Phinn: No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells, then packed it into a rigid container, like a pipe bomb, or similar.

Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?


Yes.  I knew people who made their own shotgun shells and would buy gunpowder in bulk.
 
2013-04-16 10:37:44 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?


As I understand, you can, with varying state and local restrictions.  I would expect Massachusetts to be highly restrictive, though.
 
2013-04-16 10:37:47 AM

Giltric: Snarfangel: It's obvious that the person/group/political party I despise the most caused this terrible tragedy. It's absolutely *not* baseless supposition if I really hate them.

I shall now cherry-pick my evidence to support this conclusion, and ignore the naysayers and their "facts."


I wonder how many people attempting to blame the "right wing" were trying to debunk the connection between a certain attack in Libya that happened on the same day that some people flew planes into office buildings years earlier....


To be fair, Islamic fundamentalists ARE the "right wing".
 
2013-04-16 10:37:51 AM

bdub77:
I would think it'd be more traceable. Besides, the shotgun shells contain shot, so it would explain the so-called 'ball bearings'. I would think it makes sense actually, if you wanted to created an explosion that was hard to trace you'd make a pipe bomb using shotgun shells. The shells would probably be entirely untraceable.


Shotgun shells MAY have tagens in them, I don't know. We also don't know yet if the person who did this had any intention of getting away with it or not. Traceable only helps after the fact, doesn't help prevent it.
 
2013-04-16 10:38:15 AM

dittybopper: Al_Ed: dittybopper: Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?

BP emits a lot of flame.  So do the more easily available black powder substitutes, Pyrodex and Triple7.

This is true. Military-grade explosive aren't that 'flamey'.

Nor are they smokey like BP.

Not that I'm a great expert, but I can't think of another "explosive" that would look like that:  relatively long lasting orange fireball, dense white smoke.  If we have reports of a sulfury, rotten egg or fart smell, that would cinch it.


Bought in bulk or made, its gotta be BP. Lord knows I've used enough on stumps and cinder blocks and whatnot...
Now would Tannerite boost a BP blast? Hmm...
 
2013-04-16 10:38:40 AM

Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?


What would be the difference between civillian ammo and military ammo?
 
cym
2013-04-16 10:38:42 AM

mmagdalene: jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html

How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?


Probably not as cynical as my first thought that he was a plant.
 
2013-04-16 10:38:54 AM
Meet Martin Richard, the 8 year old boy killed. His mother and 6 year old sister are both in hospital with injuries.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-boy-killed/index.html
 
2013-04-16 10:39:00 AM

luxup: theknuckler_33: Giltric: luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.

You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.

I'm not sure I'm understanding this... is there supposed to be something wrong about the fact that a police officer drew their service revolver just moments after a bomb exploded just a few feet away?

Not at all.

Some people were trying to say that the officer in the pic over reacted.  Then people came to her defense saying that it was actually great training and I just wanted to point out that she wasn't the only officer that did that like a lot of people seem to think.


Ahh. Carry on.
 
2013-04-16 10:39:17 AM

Phinn: indarwinsshadow: You're right. To much flame isn't it? Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?

No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells, then packed it into a rigid container, like a pipe bomb, or similar.


Shotgun shells use smokeless powder.  You wouldn't get the large amount of dense white smoke.  You get some, but no where near that much.

Buying a couple pounds of BP or BP substitute isn't all that unusual.  I get about 70 shots out of a pound of BP:  Typical powder charge for my flintlock is 100 grains, and there are 7000 grains in 1 lb, so you can do the math.  In the 4 events I shot this year, I fired 36 shots, which is about half a pound of powder, and that doesn't include the practice I *SHOULD* have done.

So going in and buying 2 to 5 cans of BP or BP substitute wouldn't raise any eyebrows, especially if you mention you are shooting a muzzleloader.
 
2013-04-16 10:39:40 AM

Giltric: Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?

What would be the difference between civillian ammo and military ammo?


I'm sorry, I'm no gun expert.  I was working under the impression that military grade ammunition was a different breed of horse than civilian ammunition.
 
2013-04-16 10:40:41 AM

vygramul: A picture of a guy at Tenerife, his clothes mostly torn off.


I read that in this guy's voice

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-16 10:41:11 AM

Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.


God, I hope so. When terrorists find the secret of crafting bombs from materials that don't exist, no one will be safe!
 
2013-04-16 10:41:42 AM

balki1867: namegoeshere: I guess we should be thankful they're not going with the obvious "Boston Masacre Pt 2."

Too late, CNN is already calling this the Boston Massacre.  I guess people forget that even though it's been ~250 years, the Boston Massacre was actually a thing.


students.cis.uab.edu

f--k it, let's just solve everything WITH DANCE
 
2013-04-16 10:41:48 AM

nekom: indarwinsshadow: Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?

I would think whoever did this used whatever they could get their hands on. Commercial explosives like ammonium nitrate are strictly controlled these days, but I'm pretty sure you can get a few cans of black powder or something similar without much hassle. Whether it's foreign or domestic, the materials were almost certainly procured locally I would imagine. So yes, they would use it, if they could get it.

Any idiot can make a bomb, it's not that difficult.


It's not that controlled unless you are tying to buy very large quantities of it. You can get it at most farm and home stores where I'm from.
 
2013-04-16 10:42:01 AM

Phinn: Dwight_Yeast: Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?

As I understand, you can, with varying state and local restrictions.  I would expect Massachusetts to be highly restrictive, though.


No reason to think it was made in Mass. NH isn't very far away and they have far more lax gun laws... but admittedly, I have no idea about gun powder.
 
2013-04-16 10:42:03 AM
All this speculation is a waste of time as it is obvious that it is:
    Bilderberg funded shape shifting reptilian Papal guard air who were working under the direction of Rupert Murdoch and George Soros to simultaneously drive news consumption and destabilize world currencies.
 
2013-04-16 10:42:05 AM

Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?


You can buy straight black powder (and substitutes) at most outdoor/shooting stores. Cabela's. etc...
 
2013-04-16 10:42:23 AM
 
2013-04-16 10:42:28 AM

Infernalist: Giltric: Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?

What would be the difference between civillian ammo and military ammo?

I'm sorry, I'm no gun expert.  I was working under the impression that military grade ammunition was a different breed of horse than civilian ammunition.


Nope, no difference.
 
2013-04-16 10:42:28 AM

Phinn: Dwight_Yeast: Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?

As I understand, you can, with varying state and local restrictions.  I would expect Massachusetts to be highly restrictive, though.


yes, but it's not like we have travel restriction in america and there are some states with more lax laws.
 
2013-04-16 10:43:15 AM

fireclown: My left brain (always the **hole)


Id hole?
 
2013-04-16 10:43:18 AM

A Fark Handle: tragedy and life happens everyday, so why don't we post our thoughts and prayers about those events?


Umm. We do post our thoughts and prayers about people every day. WTF. Even though you think there's no emotional connection to other people in the world, we all share it. And during events like these which are almost inexplicable for their horrific nature, we come together as a nation to mourn them and to also remind people that there are awesome people in this world who ran INTO the f*cking blast site to help other people live.

Do you need a f*cking example? OK. Well, a good friend of mine had a wife who died of brain cancer at the age of 25. Her birthday was today. He made a facebook page about her and today, he celebrated her birthday and we chimed in with happy birthday for her. We all mourn her passing. She was a wonderful person and he loved her deeply.

Frankly I feel sorry that you don't feel any emotional connection to others and to the world. That's your choice though, not mine, and not the vast majority of people would agree with me and not you. I would find it hard to look in the mirror every day if I didn't.
 
2013-04-16 10:43:24 AM

bmongar: Bilderberg funded shape shifting reptilian Papal guard air who were working under the direction of Rupert Murdoch and George Soros to simultaneously drive news consumption and destabilize world currencies.


your lack of bieber and lohan is outlandish.
 
2013-04-16 10:43:33 AM
that much smoke would indicate black powder (fark explosive expert brigade!), but it would take ALOT to produce that much carnage.  If you buy a canister or two of black powder, nobody cares, you are probably going hunting with your musket that weekend. If you buy 3 or 4 canisters, the gun store employees will raise their eyebrows, specially if you pay in cash, questions will be asked, notes taken.  Hit 2 or 3 stores like this and you will find out that gun stores talk to each other.  This is a hellova lot more than 3 or 4 cylinders.  If it was black powder, it was a shiatload.  Enough to fill a backpack or hell a trashcan, that flash is fricking huge.  Which would give credit to the theory that it wasnt black powder. Ammonium Nitrate however is not that hard to get ahold of in farm areas and not as secured as you would hope.  A tractor supply store near a buddy of mines ranch even leaves the shed they keep it in unlocked with a cat nearby, keys in ready to load.


/Fark Demolitionist Brigade member #457713
//our patch got lost in the mail
 
2013-04-16 10:44:46 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: A picture of a guy at Tenerife, his clothes mostly torn off.

I read that in this guy's voice

[i.imgur.com image 565x541]


Biggest laugh I've had in a while.

Thanks.
 
2013-04-16 10:45:14 AM

muck4doo: Fox now saying the Saudi student is in custody according to police, and the apartment that was raided was his. Supposedly the police removed a bunch of bags from it.

/Right wing nuts like McVeigh tend to attack government


I keep hearing this is true then its not true, then its true again. Multiple times, over and over. Does anyone know with definitive proof if there is a Saudi student involved at all?
 
2013-04-16 10:45:23 AM

Infernalist: I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?


you can buy it in the store, actually.
 
2013-04-16 10:45:33 AM

Phinn: Dwight_Yeast: Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?

As I understand, you can, with varying state and local restrictions.  I would expect Massachusetts to be highly restrictive, though.


Kittery Trading Post in Maine sells a *LOT* of the stuff, and it's just a short drive away from Boston.  According to Google Maps, it's a 1 hour drive from downtown Boston.  Just hop in I-95 North and you'll get there.
 
2013-04-16 10:45:38 AM
- bombs were packed with ball bearings.
- lack of effectiveness and size of bombs could indicate local manufacturer not international connection (think pipe bombs that killed two and injured 100 in 1996 at Atlanta's Centennial Park during the Olympics not what Timothy McVeigh used in Oklahoma City in April 1995.
- choice of location would indicate local or locals not a group with international connections

Also:
FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), and other law enforcement agencies raided a unit in a high-rise apartment on Ocean Drive in the seaside Boston suburb of Revere, according to information posted online by a participating local fire department. Several bags, including what appeared to be a large duffel bag, were removed from the scene. Authorities were mum as to the specifics of their suspicions but confirmed that the Revere search was related to the case.
 
2013-04-16 10:45:56 AM
War and Terror: What Shocks Me Most About the Bloody Marathon Bombing Pictures (GRAPHIC)

What takes me aback are how graphic the news photos are as compared to the almost total visual censorship of American war casualties over the past twelve years.

and I do mean GRAPHIC!
 
2013-04-16 10:46:18 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: vygramul: A picture of a guy at Tenerife, his clothes mostly torn off.

I read that in this guy's voice

[i.imgur.com image 565x541]


His arms wide.
 
2013-04-16 10:46:27 AM

balki1867: namegoeshere: I guess we should be thankful they're not going with the obvious "Boston Masacre Pt 2."

Too late, CNN is already calling this the Boston Massacre.  I guess people forget that even though it's been ~250 years, the Boston Massacre was actually a thing.


Their second choice was Marathonicide, but it sounded too much like a bug spray.
 
2013-04-16 10:46:30 AM

bdub77: A Fark Handle: tragedy and life happens everyday, so why don't we post our thoughts and prayers about those events?

Umm. We do post our thoughts and prayers about people every day. WTF. Even though you think there's no emotional connection to other people in the world, we all share it. And during events like these which are almost inexplicable for their horrific nature, we come together as a nation to mourn them and to also remind people that there are awesome people in this world who ran INTO the f*cking blast site to help other people live.

Do you need a f*cking example? OK. Well, a good friend of mine had a wife who died of brain cancer at the age of 25. Her birthday was today. He made a facebook page about her and today, he celebrated her birthday and we chimed in with happy birthday for her. We all mourn her passing. She was a wonderful person and he loved her deeply.

Frankly I feel sorry that you don't feel any emotional connection to others and to the world. That's your choice though, not mine, and not the vast majority of people would agree with me and not you. I would find it hard to look in the mirror every day if I didn't.


There's a lot of truth to be discussed here. Unfortunately, we aren't allowed tio discuss it.
 
2013-04-16 10:46:32 AM
I have a (probably naive) question but I have always been curious of the whole bomb signature thing.  They always look for one as it helps to locate who did it.

I always thought it was like pulling off a robbery and being dumb enough to leave your fingerprints everywhere.  So I wonder if bombers know about the whole signature thing which they of course must, why not try and put enough variety in your work to help make you that much more undetectable?

Or is it mostly a psychological thing where they think they are smarter than the legions of people they must realize will go after them?

Or can it just not be avoided due to the nature of the bomb making culture?
 
2013-04-16 10:46:37 AM
NSFW graphic picture

/top right of picture
//not a single fark was given
 
2013-04-16 10:46:48 AM
Helicopters circling overhead now... I assume it's just news choppers getting some footage. They've been at it for a while, though.
 
2013-04-16 10:47:01 AM

dittybopper: If we have reports of a sulfury, rotten egg or fart smell, that would cinch it.


"You could smell it - it smelled like a giant firecracker"
 
2013-04-16 10:47:03 AM

orclover: that much smoke would indicate black powder (fark explosive expert brigade!), but it would take ALOT to produce that much carnage.  If you buy a canister or two of black powder, nobody cares, you are probably going hunting with your musket that weekend. If you buy 3 or 4 canisters, the gun store employees will raise their eyebrows, specially if you pay in cash, questions will be asked, notes taken.  Hit 2 or 3 stores like this and you will find out that gun stores talk to each other.  This is a hellova lot more than 3 or 4 cylinders.  If it was black powder, it was a shiatload.  Enough to fill a backpack or hell a trashcan, that flash is fricking huge.  Which would give credit to the theory that it wasnt black powder. Ammonium Nitrate however is not that hard to get ahold of in farm areas and not as secured as you would hope.  A tractor supply store near a buddy of mines ranch even leaves the shed they keep it in unlocked with a cat nearby, keys in ready to load.


/Fark Demolitionist Brigade member #457713
//our patch got lost in the mail


Farmer Joe comes in and buys some fertilizer, as he has for years, no one raises an eyebrow. Somebody who the store owner has never seen before and doesn't appear to know the first thing about farming or own a farm? Kinda doubt that will go unchallenged. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Also, that does complicate the device considerably as a blasting cap is necessary for ANFO, no?
 
2013-04-16 10:47:29 AM

Infernalist: Giltric: Infernalist: So, the general consensus is, this is a home-made device, crafted from existing materials.

I'm to assume that the black powder came from civilian ammunition?

What would be the difference between civillian ammo and military ammo?

I'm sorry, I'm no gun expert.  I was working under the impression that military grade ammunition was a different breed of horse than civilian ammunition.


It's not, except that civilian ammo has fewer design restrictions due to international treaty than military ammo.

Neither modern civilian nor modern military ammo uses black powder.  BP is used by people who shoot old-fashioned style guns.
 
2013-04-16 10:47:37 AM

Witchydiva: SoupJohnB: Witchydiva: Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.

Heard that, and thought Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a logical link with the other federal agencies following this incident.  One response to 9/11 was to have agencies not "silo" any intel that might be applicable to common interests.

I get the breakdowns on the siloing, I was just curious at what seemed to be an odd singling out of that particular agency, and the emphasis on the "worldwide" and "global" part of the investigation.

Ah, so much speculation, so little time.


No ICE official was introduced at the press conference, so they may have just tossed *that* in too.  Along with the FBI, ATF, DEA, NSA, CIA, US Marshall's Service and if need be, the farkin' 101st Airborne Division (HUAH!) to help the Boston cops find you, motherfarker.
 
2013-04-16 10:48:04 AM
Maybe, just maybe, everyone should stop the random accusations? If only for their own sake. Because if it turns out you're wrong, and it *was* liberals/Teabaggers/Muslims/Mooninites, the loudest accusers will look like the biggest dumbasses.
 
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