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2013-04-16 10:14:57 AM  

dittybopper: indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

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Couple of points:

1. Explosions at ground level are like that, and
2. there is too much flame and too much smoke for that to be a military style mine.

Despite what you have seen in Hollywood movies, military explosives don't produce flame like that, nor do they produce dense white smoke.  That looks more like a device made with black powder or a black powder substitute.  A deflagrating material that "explodes" by busting the container it's in, not by actually detonating in the technical sense.


You're right. To much flame isn't it? Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?
 
2013-04-16 10:15:28 AM  

A Fark Handle: is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?

/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.


YES - Some lady was on the news saying that Dog spare her sister or some shiat. I guess the guy in photo 8 and the rest of the amputees were heathen pieces of crap who Dog chose to smite.
 
2013-04-16 10:16:00 AM  
How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?
 
2013-04-16 10:16:06 AM  

Al_Ed: Holy sh*t! There are some God-awful pictures out there!!


Horrific... The one that really sums up the day for me is the one of the young man kneeling over a woman or girl lying on the sidewalk while an EMT works on her lower body. There is blood splatter all around, discarded American flag shoulder bags in the foreground and you can just see "Boston" on a small sign behind the subjects.

Not nearly as graphic as some of the other photos, but it's a really powerful image in my opinion.
 
2013-04-16 10:16:16 AM  

MinkeyMan: DesktopHippie: MinkeyMan: This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.

Between the IRA and Al Queida, London has been bombed a whole bunch of times in the last 40 years. Considering there were no street parties here in Ireland, I doubt there were any in Boston either.

I wouldn't be so sure. I came across far more anti-British sentiment in Boston then I ever did in the republic.


You must have been looking for it.  I mean I'm not from beantown (Boston) but I've spent enough time there and had family out there and can't say that any negative British sentiment ever even remotely came up in any way.

Unless of course is was my cousins saying they didn't like Monty Python and I was trying to tell them why British humor wasn't stupid.  Does that count?
 
2013-04-16 10:16:36 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.


I'm no expert but the main force of an explosion is always going to be through the path of least resistance. A fireball exploding upwards is consistent with the bomb being in a trash can. There would still be plenty of energy left in the horizontal force of the blast to kill and maim... especially if it was packed with shrapnel like ball bearings or screws.
 
2013-04-16 10:16:58 AM  

indarwinsshadow: JusticeandIndependence: indarwinsshadow: Hmmm. Something strange here. Did anyone look through the LiveLeak pictures. Look at picture 3 and 4 of the young man missing what appears to be his leg from his pattela, his fibia, and his foot. Now, why I'm saying that's weird is the way the blast would work. If you're standing right next to it, wouldn't the blast radiate out and up. His damage appears to affect only from his knee down. Otherword it's like a shaped charge or like he stepped on whatever it was and the blast blew upwards and destroyed the foot, and tibia. I saw something like that years and years ago back in Desert Storm one. I was with the Canadian Army back then and saw a lot of American soldiers coming through triage. That looks like blast damage from a mine. Am I wrong, I know it was a long time ago, but that doesn't appear like damage from an IED. I could be wrong, again that's a long time ago. Any farkers serve in Iraq of Afghanistan have a look and tell me what you see.

I'm sure the metal lined trash can had something to do with the shrapnel flying into people's lower extremities.

Wouldn't have peeled his leg like that. Flying metal amputates. I've looked at the pictures again, and you know. I'm pretty sure that was a mine of some sorts. Even the explosion looks like a mine. Straight upwards. Something strange about that blast. I'm not paranoid but I'm kind of wondering what the hell is going on.


There are so many things that could cause this type of injury other than a mine.

Perhaps this person was sitting on a metal bench which protected his upper legs and torso from the low explosive, but his lower legs were exposed...

That's just one example, but my point is that this injury does not imply a specific type of device.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:03 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

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I commend your willingness to apply your critical thinking and analytical abilities to the problem.

Hopefully, you will also be cognizant of how much experience and education you have to support your observations.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:11 AM  
Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.
 
MFK
2013-04-16 10:17:28 AM  

Zazzy: Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.


yeah, this is pretty much why there were only 3 deaths here despite the huge number of horrible injuries. They drill for exactly this sort of event and when the shiat hit the fan, they knew exactly what to do and how to do it.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:30 AM  

indarwinsshadow: dittybopper: indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

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Couple of points:

1. Explosions at ground level are like that, and
2. there is too much flame and too much smoke for that to be a military style mine.

Despite what you have seen in Hollywood movies, military explosives don't produce flame like that, nor do they produce dense white smoke.  That looks more like a device made with black powder or a black powder substitute.  A deflagrating material that "explodes" by busting the container it's in, not by actually detonating in the technical sense.

You're right. To much flame isn't it? Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?


I would imagine black powder is much easier to obtain than C4 these days.  So my guess, would be sure, why not?
 
2013-04-16 10:17:49 AM  
The headline photo at Drudge is begging for a "No time to explain, just suck this" photoshop.
 
2013-04-16 10:18:16 AM  
On Significance:

What distinguishes humans from other animals is the capacity to make meaning or significance. In addition to being creatures whose brains are hardwired to finish incomplete patterns, many of us need narrative cohesiveness, partly because of logical consistency but partly to feel less anxious.

When events occur that cause the limbic system to go into  overdrive, such as a natural or manmade calamity where a direct threat to survival occurs (or a psychological threat through identification or sympathy with victims), there's a whole bunch of frontal lobe activity that sparks up. The possibility that we will become insiginificant through death compels a reaction for significance.

that's where all these "connections" come in. During these times, we cannot abide an incomplete pattern, a story with holes. If things are connected, things make sense. There's enough anxiety to begin with that we need to backfill with whatever makes sense to us, however random things may actually be.
 
2013-04-16 10:18:33 AM  

Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?


A lot. I improv'd a rocket motor with black powder and an empty metal c02 cartridge many foolish years ago.. This really, REALLY looks like a standard black powder/homemade black powder explosive.
 
2013-04-16 10:18:41 AM  

dittybopper: indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

[d1pax3e3t5tpyh.cloudfront.net image 850x562]

Couple of points:

1. Explosions at ground level are like that, and
2. there is too much flame and too much smoke for that to be a military style mine.

Despite what you have seen in Hollywood movies, military explosives don't produce flame like that, nor do they produce dense white smoke.  That looks more like a device made with black powder or a black powder substitute.  A deflagrating material that "explodes" by busting the container it's in, not by actually detonating in the technical sense.


I think video more than a still image would shed more light here. A small military explosive tends to not be a fireball, though of course is a flame at detonation. I bet it's some improvised stuff. Still gives no clue as to who set it. Folks think International terrorists would use Semtex or something, and while they would prefer that, they would use whatever the hell they can, and not all international terrorists are uber-bomb-genius badasses or whatever. The shoe bomber being a classic example.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:00 AM  
I see the FARK Explosive Forensics Brigade and Troll Brigade are working hand in hand this morning in the wake of this tragedy.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:03 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?


I would think whoever did this used whatever they could get their hands on. Commercial explosives like ammonium nitrate are strictly controlled these days, but I'm pretty sure you can get a few cans of black powder or something similar without much hassle. Whether it's foreign or domestic, the materials were almost certainly procured locally I would imagine. So yes, they would use it, if they could get it.

Any idiot can make a bomb, it's not that difficult.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:13 AM  

luxup: MinkeyMan: DesktopHippie: MinkeyMan: This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.

Between the IRA and Al Queida, London has been bombed a whole bunch of times in the last 40 years. Considering there were no street parties here in Ireland, I doubt there were any in Boston either.

I wouldn't be so sure. I came across far more anti-British sentiment in Boston then I ever did in the republic.

You must have been looking for it.  I mean I'm not from beantown (Boston) but I've spent enough time there and had family out there and can't say that any negative British sentiment ever even remotely came up in any way.

Unless of course is was my cousins saying they didn't like Monty Python and I was trying to tell them why British humor wasn't stupid.  Does that count?


To be fair, I am talking 20-25 years ago... it is possible that I was just in the wrong part of town at the wrong time.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:44 AM  

Psylence: Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?

A lot. I improv'd a rocket motor with black powder and an empty metal c02 cartridge many foolish years ago.. This really, REALLY looks like a standard black powder/homemade black powder explosive.


At the shooting range, a few of the older guys like to shoot black powder.

I admit, it does give off that billowing white smoke when fired, and a bright red fireball coming out of the muzzle.

Typical explosives wont give off that insane amount of white smoke.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:48 AM  

Psylence: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.

2 things here:
That's a SHE
SHE has perfect trigger discipline.


One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.
 
2013-04-16 10:21:37 AM  

Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?


BP emits a lot of flame.  So do the more easily available black powder substitutes, Pyrodex and Triple7.
 
2013-04-16 10:21:41 AM  

luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.


You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.
 
2013-04-16 10:21:41 AM  

Kentucky Fried Panda: A Fark Handle: is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?

/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.

You may be old and bitter.  But that's not your real problem.  You should consult your doctor about the raging case of assholeitis you seem to have.  People care because it was an attack on innocence.  An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.


fine murders or rapes per day.  and i guess all those dying from cancer deserved it.  can i throw in suicides, or is that their fault.  i'm just curious why we focus on a few deaths so much?  i feel like in this age of social media people feel the need to "participate" in event.  i'm not really sure what bothers me about it.  the showiness?  the fakeness?  something.  hell i'm not even curious why the boston diaspora would make statement along the thought and prayers line.  that makes sense to me.  but some random ass chick/dude in arizona that couldn't even find boston on a map and has never visited is all thoughts and prayers to those in boston seems weird to me.

/and it's not like we get all thoughts and prayers when it happens overseas...
 
2013-04-16 10:21:46 AM  

John Buck 41: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

This Friday could be interesting. Heads up, everyone. Stay alert.


Stay safe is traveling to the mid-90s.
 
2013-04-16 10:23:32 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: dittybopper: indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

[d1pax3e3t5tpyh.cloudfront.net image 850x562]

Couple of points:

1. Explosions at ground level are like that, and
2. there is too much flame and too much smoke for that to be a military style mine.

Despite what you have seen in Hollywood movies, military explosives don't produce flame like that, nor do they produce dense white smoke.  That looks more like a device made with black powder or a black powder substitute.  A deflagrating material that "explodes" by busting the container it's in, not by actually detonating in the technical sense.

I think video more than a still image would shed more light here. A small military explosive tends to not be a fireball, though of course is a flame at detonation. I bet it's some improvised stuff. Still gives no clue as to who set it. Folks think International terrorists would use Semtex or something, and while they would prefer that, they would use whatever the hell they can, and not all international terrorists are uber-bomb-genius badasses or whatever. The shoe bomber being a classic example.


The dense white smoke is important:  To me, that looks like BP or a BP substitute.
 
2013-04-16 10:23:32 AM  

dittybopper: Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?

BP emits a lot of flame.  So do the more easily available black powder substitutes, Pyrodex and Triple7.


This is true. Military-grade explosive aren't that 'flamey'.
 
2013-04-16 10:23:38 AM  

SovietCanuckistan: Some lady was on the news saying that Dog spare her sister or some shiat. I guess the guy in photo 8 and the rest of the amputees were heathen pieces of crap who Dog chose to smite


Or maybe they aren't real keen on how God views the inhabitants of Earth?  Ecc. 9:11 basically says "shiat happens".  You know, it rains on good people and bad people, all that.
 
2013-04-16 10:23:44 AM  

Psylence: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.

2 things here:
That's a SHE
SHE has perfect trigger discipline.


Guys beat me to it.  I'm usually the first to jump all over anything wrong a cop does but this time the response seems pretty reasonable.  After a few minutes after viewing the photo I was just happy she wasnt pointing it at anybody.
 
2013-04-16 10:24:30 AM  

dittybopper: PC LOAD LETTER: dittybopper: indarwinsshadow: Not trying to disturb anyone, so please delete if the picture bothers anybody, but look at the explosion. That's up...not out.

[d1pax3e3t5tpyh.cloudfront.net image 850x562]

Couple of points:

1. Explosions at ground level are like that, and
2. there is too much flame and too much smoke for that to be a military style mine.

Despite what you have seen in Hollywood movies, military explosives don't produce flame like that, nor do they produce dense white smoke.  That looks more like a device made with black powder or a black powder substitute.  A deflagrating material that "explodes" by busting the container it's in, not by actually detonating in the technical sense.

I think video more than a still image would shed more light here. A small military explosive tends to not be a fireball, though of course is a flame at detonation. I bet it's some improvised stuff. Still gives no clue as to who set it. Folks think International terrorists would use Semtex or something, and while they would prefer that, they would use whatever the hell they can, and not all international terrorists are uber-bomb-genius badasses or whatever. The shoe bomber being a classic example.

The dense white smoke is important:  To me, that looks like BP or a BP substitute.


Or a combination, and BP is one part of it
 
2013-04-16 10:25:05 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: 2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.

Civilians aren't going to get the Purple Heart. They are injuries.


This is the dumbest arguement in the history of the internet.  Can't we just agree they are 'booboos'?
 
2013-04-16 10:26:09 AM  

Witchydiva: Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.


Heard that, and thought Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a logical link with the other federal agencies following this incident.  One response to 9/11 was to have agencies not "silo" any intel that might be applicable to common interests.
 
2013-04-16 10:27:27 AM  

HypnozombieX: Day two and nobody has taken responsibility for it? I'm going to have to  go with domestic terrorist since Al Qaeda would have already relased a statement bragging about it. Our terrorist seem to be a bit more guttless.

Hypnozombie


Yes lets completely ignore the fact they took 3 years to claim credit for 9-11
 
2013-04-16 10:27:32 AM  

Giltric: luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.

You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.


I'm not sure I'm understanding this... is there supposed to be something wrong about the fact that a police officer drew their service revolver just moments after a bomb exploded just a few feet away?
 
2013-04-16 10:27:34 AM  

Muta: PC LOAD LETTER: 2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.

Civilians aren't going to get the Purple Heart. They are injuries.

This is the dumbest arguement in the history of the internet.  Can't we just agree they are 'booboos'?


The correct medical term is "owies".
 
2013-04-16 10:27:39 AM  

Frozboz: Or maybe they aren't real keen on how God views the inhabitants of Earth?  Ecc. 9:11 basically says "shiat happens".  You know, it rains on


please update to a more modern God book. yours has numerous browser hijack / security issues.
 
2013-04-16 10:28:23 AM  

indarwinsshadow: You're right. To much flame isn't it? Would a terrorist organisation use a explosive like black powder?


No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells, then packed it into a rigid container, like a pipe bomb, or similar.
 
2013-04-16 10:28:54 AM  

SoupJohnB: Witchydiva: Did anyone else find it interesting that this last press conference made mention that the ICE is an "integral" part of the ongoing investigation, or that the FBI will be using their global resources to pursue this "worldwide" investigation? I was surprised that the reporters didn't better jump on that.

Heard that, and thought Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a logical link with the other federal agencies following this incident.  One response to 9/11 was to have agencies not "silo" any intel that might be applicable to common interests.


I get the breakdowns on the siloing, I was just curious at what seemed to be an odd singling out of that particular agency, and the emphasis on the "worldwide" and "global" part of the investigation.

Ah, so much speculation, so little time.
 
2013-04-16 10:29:02 AM  

nekom: Well it looks like the initial reports that a Saudi national was a person of interest were completely unfounded.  Not too surprising, the melee of breaking news often generates false leads.  What do we know about the significance of the date?

1.  Patriots day in Boston, that could be used by anyone really
2.  Tax day, potential date a right wing extremist might pick.
3.  Birthday of il sung, that's a BIG long shot though, in my opinion
4.  No significance to the date, the perp(s) just wanted a crowd and that was as good a place as any to find one.Am I missing anything on the speculation train?


It's obvious that the person/group/political party I despise the most caused this terrible tragedy. It's absolutely *not* baseless supposition if I really hate them.

I shall now cherry-pick my evidence to support this conclusion, and ignore the naysayers and their "facts."
 
2013-04-16 10:29:57 AM  

A Fark Handle: Kentucky Fried Panda: A Fark Handle: is anyone else sick of the thoughts and prayers bullshiat?  why do we as a nation value/mourn these few dead and injured over the many more who died and or injured by cause [blank] daily?  there's no jingle your car keys in support of those who died march 28th (random ass day) in auto accidents, but then people suggest wear a running shirt to support those in boston.  why do we pretend to care more about a few deaths that happen to lead the nightly news?

/yeah, yeah, yeah.  i'm old and bitter.

You may be old and bitter.  But that's not your real problem.  You should consult your doctor about the raging case of assholeitis you seem to have.  People care because it was an attack on innocence.  An auto accident, while tragic, is not typically intentional or targeted.

fine murders or rapes per day.  and i guess all those dying from cancer deserved it.  can i throw in suicides, or is that their fault.  i'm just curious why we focus on a few deaths so much?  i feel like in this age of social media people feel the need to "participate" in event.  i'm not really sure what bothers me about it.  the showiness?  the fakeness?  something.  hell i'm not even curious why the boston diaspora would make statement along the thought and prayers line.  that makes sense to me.  but some random ass chick/dude in arizona that couldn't even find boston on a map and has never visited is all thoughts and prayers to those in boston seems weird to me.

/and it's not like we get all thoughts and prayers when it happens overseas...


OK, you may be a master troll, and I might have taken the bait.  But here goes...
Yesterday was a message to Americans.  The point of terrorism is to terrorize.  As Americans, we were very loudly told "you are not safe.  we can strike anywhere and at any time."  As a part of this message, otherwise innocent people were destroyed.   Could have been you, could have been me, could have been my kid, your kid, etc.  See here is the deal.  You have either lost something or simply never had it.  Americans, like it or not, are one large dysfunctional family.  Despite our reality TV-worthy behavior, we care about and protect our own.  We can't drive to Boston, mend limbs and catch the bad guy.  But, we can say we care.  We can shout out to the darkness that evil will not win.  Of course these are just words.  But they mean something individually and collectively as well.  I don't know who did this or why.  But I echo the sentiment.  Evil will not win.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:19 AM  

theknuckler_33: Giltric: luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.

You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.

I'm not sure I'm understanding this... is there supposed to be something wrong about the fact that a police officer drew their service revolver just moments after a bomb exploded just a few feet away?



No idea. I'm just saying what I saw in pictures and videos of yesterdays event.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:26 AM  

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


That would be shock.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:48 AM  
Ok, I'm not winning any parenting awards today.  Letting kids veg while I try and catch up on news.  Going to have to force myself to go to the park.  Censoring the news my 4 year old say yesterday (yeah I don't hide this stuff from her) and wasn't expecting her to ask...

'Why did they blow up the 8 year old?'

Well the whole bad people do bad things and the 8 year old is with Jesus (we are Catholic) came into play of course but don't you know, it was Mr. Rogers who came to the rescue with his whole 'look for the people running to help' thing.

Man, if there is a Heaven, I hope that guy gets extra wings.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:59 AM  

serial_crusher: Or the guy responsible could be in custody.
How does stuff like that normally work? Do the terrorists give their superiors a heads up about their plans, or do they just call in after they're done? Seems like leading up to it you'd want as few people to know the details as possible.


In the the case of the attempted Times Square bombing, he was specifically trained in Pakistan and was financed and contacted by liaisons in Pakistan.
 
2013-04-16 10:31:07 AM  

Phinn: No, it is more likely that the perp made his own, or cut open a few hundred shotgun shells, then packed it into a rigid container, like a pipe bomb, or similar.


Can't you just buy black powder in quantity?
 
2013-04-16 10:32:16 AM  
Not that it makes people an expert or anything, but does nobody talking about the explosives used watch Mythbusters? They may or may not embellish some things through editing, but their explosions are pretty much done as-is and they are almost always clear on which sort of explosive they're using. I'm about to head in to work so I don't have time to go through the 120 pages of boom on the Discovery.com/Mythbusters page but surely someone does.
 
2013-04-16 10:32:36 AM  

NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.


All 'educated guess' points to domestic terrorism. Either some Muslim American with no affiliation to AQ etc or 'white power anti government Tim McVeigh/Eric Rudolph types'.
 
2013-04-16 10:32:58 AM  

Al_Ed: dittybopper: Dynascape: How much flame does black powder actually emit?

Or perhaps was an oxidizer used?

BP emits a lot of flame.  So do the more easily available black powder substitutes, Pyrodex and Triple7.

This is true. Military-grade explosive aren't that 'flamey'.


Nor are they smokey like BP.

Not that I'm a great expert, but I can't think of another "explosive" that would look like that:  relatively long lasting orange fireball, dense white smoke.  If we have reports of a sulfury, rotten egg or fart smell, that would cinch it.
 
2013-04-16 10:33:34 AM  

theknuckler_33: Giltric: luxup: One of the eyewitness reports I heard yesterday said that cops (multiple) were drawing their guns.

You can see it in some of the pictures and videos.

I'm not sure I'm understanding this... is there supposed to be something wrong about the fact that a police officer drew their service revolver just moments after a bomb exploded just a few feet away?


Not at all.

Some people were trying to say that the officer in the pic over reacted.  Then people came to her defense saying that it was actually great training and I just wanted to point out that she wasn't the only officer that did that like a lot of people seem to think.
 
2013-04-16 10:34:06 AM  

luxup: Ok, I'm not winning any parenting awards today.  Letting kids veg while I try and catch up on news.  Going to have to force myself to go to the park.  Censoring the news my 4 year old say yesterday (yeah I don't hide this stuff from her) and wasn't expecting her to ask...

'Why did they blow up the 8 year old?'

Well the whole bad people do bad things and the 8 year old is with Jesus (we are Catholic) came into play of course but don't you know, it was Mr. Rogers who came to the rescue with his whole 'look for the people running to help' thing.

Man, if there is a Heaven, I hope that guy gets extra wings.


This was probably the work of a single asshole or a small group of assholes. We don't know exactly who or why, but I'm guessing it was a small group. This group PALES in comparison to the helpers. The paramedics, doctors, nurses, random people who did whatever they could. The good FAR outweighs the bad. It doesn't change the fact that this was a horrible catastrophe that has left at least 3 dead and dozens severely maimed, but it does go to show you that the good still outnumbers the bad.
 
2013-04-16 10:34:17 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Latest from Boston

My heart goes out to the people of Boston and the victims.  I really hadn't commented earlier, because I didn't want to jump to conclusions..

All I know was that for no damn good reason at all, an 8 year old boy lost his life,

And that Sandyhook were guest at the finish line tent...can this year be any worse for them?


God must really hate those kids
 
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