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2013-04-16 08:50:24 AM  

nekom: MmmmBacon:
I've seen reports that back up the ball bearings claim, and others that refute it, so I think it is way too early to know for sure. The FBI and police won't say, because they don't want to give out too much information. I suspect eventually we'll know all the details, but right now it's a little early for that.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't disclose the nature of the bombs, not sure how that could possibly impede their investigation, but well that's for them to decide, not me of course. The injuries look quite consistent with high shrapnel, especially the infamous photo #8 guy who appears to have had his legs just cut out from under him. And even the overall photos, blood is absolutely EVERYWHERE.

I'm also going to go ahead and assume that this will be entirely a federal investigation with federal terrorism charges, so this will likely be a capital trial if the perp is alive.


Probably, with a high-profile incident like this, there will be a huge flood of tips and other information coming in from the public, and the fewer details made known to the public, the easier it will be to prioritize which tips are most worth looking into.
 
2013-04-16 08:51:21 AM  

chocolate covered poop: I really think people waste way too much time speculating about the significance of the date when things like this happen.  There are just way too many potential coincidences there that can lead you down a false trail.  I also find it funny we don't seem to take the most recent tragedies into account when considering this.  I realize extrapolating based on recent events (Sandy Hook, Aurora) is logically flawed, but still it doesn't hurt to take that recent trend into account, or at least use it as a starting point.

I'm going with college aged (and very likely a college student) white male loner type with borderline or undiagnosed mental illness.  Educated enough to piece together home made explosives, but not a career terrorist, likely his first foray into violence.  Hopefully there's some FB or twitter account.  I think Anon could play a key role in bringing this guy in, if he doesn't kill himself first.

-Ruling out AQ, as they likely would have gone for bigger results, and I expect would be competent enough with improvised explosives to make this event much worse than it was.  I suppose it could still be a guy like the Fort Hood shooter, but while he was motivated by religion he acted more as a lone wolf.

- Ruling out fundamentalist right wingers / tea party:  not that they aren't dumb enough or violent enough to do something like this, I don't think this has the kind of government profile that your typical nut would go for - they aren't so much interested in body count as they are in the significance of their target (i.e. federally run buildings and organizations)


FTFY

/I'm sure the FBI will be calling you shortly for your two-cents
 
2013-04-16 08:51:25 AM  
My fear is that this will turn out to be a disgruntled veteran, dis-satisfied with the treatment of the victims of IEDs in the Mideast.
 
2013-04-16 08:52:13 AM  

serial_crusher: I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start. All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.


Because the finish line is where all the media and cameras are.
 
2013-04-16 08:52:55 AM  

serial_crusher: SlothB77: NicoFinn: mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?

I just read in one article that was linked in this thread that the 4-hour mark is the high point for crossing the finish line and that the most people would be gathered there at that time, including family members, spectators, etc. I don't know anything about marathons, but it's a possible motive for the timing.

Not all runners started at the same time.  They start in waves or corrals.  For example, runners assigned to corral 1 might start first, then a five minute delay, then corral 2, then a five minute wait, then corral 3, etc, etc.  You can't have all 30,000 runners all start at the same time - there isn't enough room on the road.  So a runner may cross the start line 30 full minutes into the clock time, cross the finish with a clock time of 4:09:45 and have a chip time of 3:39:45.

I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start.  All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.


Probably had to do with the amount of security at the start vs when they were planted at the finish.
 
2013-04-16 08:53:12 AM  
I live down in MD, but if any Boston people know of any way we can help just let us know, okay?
 
2013-04-16 08:53:36 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...


[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


There have been instances of explosions followed by shooting.
 
2013-04-16 08:53:59 AM  

GameSprocket: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

It won't be happening here in MN. We all too damned depressed by the fact that we are still getting freaking snowstorms! We just don't have the energy or motivation to attack strangers at this point.


I was thinking this yesterday, but a meth lab blew up last night and woke my wife.  A shoot out could be heard just before we went to bed, and my wife commented that crime sure is picking up now that the weather is warming up.  Not kidding.
 
2013-04-16 08:55:43 AM  

Novart: Could just be a case of noobishness. Frankly, half of terrorists are functionally retarded, the other half are really retarded.


If 2 of 5 bombs successfully detonated, then, thankfully, this terrorist was not fully competent.  Even the 9/11 guys were only 75% successful.  That plane that crashed in that PA field was not supposed to crash there.  And of the two that detonated, the second was a much bigger blast than the first, indicating the first blast did not reach its full destructive potential - assuming they were identical bombs.

The three that didn't go off - failed construction?, failed detonation?, the suspect injured himself (100% sure it is a he) during the second blast or was tackled by a witness and never attempted to detonate those - who knows?  And this assumes there are not more devices yet undiscovered or more planned 'fireworks' for today.
 
2013-04-16 08:56:35 AM  

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


It's called shock, disbelief and adrenaline.  After a minute or two he'll start insisting that he be released so he can finish the race.
 
2013-04-16 08:57:15 AM  

wxboy: nekom: MmmmBacon:
I've seen reports that back up the ball bearings claim, and others that refute it, so I think it is way too early to know for sure. The FBI and police won't say, because they don't want to give out too much information. I suspect eventually we'll know all the details, but right now it's a little early for that.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't disclose the nature of the bombs, not sure how that could possibly impede their investigation, but well that's for them to decide, not me of course. The injuries look quite consistent with high shrapnel, especially the infamous photo #8 guy who appears to have had his legs just cut out from under him. And even the overall photos, blood is absolutely EVERYWHERE.

I'm also going to go ahead and assume that this will be entirely a federal investigation with federal terrorism charges, so this will likely be a capital trial if the perp is alive.

Probably, with a high-profile incident like this, there will be a huge flood of tips and other information coming in from the public, and the fewer details made known to the public, the easier it will be to prioritize which tips are most worth looking into.


I also suspect that they try to cast as wide a net as possible initially.  The last thing they want to do is let the real culprit slip away as they were tunnel visioned on what turned out to be an initial false lead.
 
2013-04-16 08:57:39 AM  

chocolate covered poop: I really think people waste way too much time speculating [Followed by speculation... SNIP]


I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled. I also bet they were of middle-eastern descent, though American born. Also, a Tea-Party member who voted for Romney, but has since switched to Obama's side and is using this as a smokescreen because of Benghazi. That, and their taxes were late and could not file for an extension because they have been too busy fighting anti-gun legislation and protesting, thus doing this on Patriots Day. When I am partially right about it, you'll look back on the thread and see how much of an expert I am.
 
2013-04-16 08:58:21 AM  

RobSeace: Police looking for a hooded man and a rental van...


Is that a birth defect, being born hooded?
 
2013-04-16 08:59:22 AM  

SlothB77: (100% sure it is a he)


Definitely Puerto Rican too.
 
2013-04-16 08:59:56 AM  
SBinRR:

On a side note, there were a lot more heroes than there were villains yesterday.  Let's not forget that.

Been seeing this going around, lotta good in the midst of all that bad:

www.chailife.com
 
2013-04-16 08:59:59 AM  

ongbok: Is that a birth defect, being born hooded?


Great. So it *is* cobra. I knew it.
 
2013-04-16 09:00:15 AM  
I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?
 
2013-04-16 09:00:16 AM  
phrawgh: Odds are it was one of the 'Big Three' Mediterranean Death Cults. But which one... which one...

Bad Christopher Hitchens impersonation is bad.   As it were, while I have no love for religion, it's far from clear that this violence was religiously inspired.
 
2013-04-16 09:00:43 AM  
Traffic was nonexistent this morning.  I usually target getting into work around 7am, and even then there is usually still quite a bit of traffic because, duh, it's Boston.  Not so today.  Some of it is probably because a lot of schools have this week off for vacation, but it was still unusually light even considering that.  I think a lot of people stayed home.

It was kind of surreal driving down Boylston St this morning.  The part where the attacks took place was still closed off, but the area around Fenway Park was open.  Just so hard to believe that this happened still.
 
2013-04-16 09:01:37 AM  

Private_Citizen: I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?


I would like to know this as well, but as far as I know there isn't any follow-up article on him specifically. He must have lost a LOT of blood.
 
2013-04-16 09:02:23 AM  

RobSeace: Police looking for a hooded man and a rental van...


img.geocaching.com
 
2013-04-16 09:02:47 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Viss: For every ONE you can find of a deranged "tea party" terrorist, I can name many "sane" leftists and liberal whackjobs. Its ALWAYS the left with their violence and murders and bombings... yes, Weather Underground... but thats somehow OK to you farktards.

So what you're saying is that for every right-wing terrorist attack on this country, you can name exactly one group, active forty years ago, who never killed or injured anyone?

Sounds about right.


Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)
 
2013-04-16 09:03:39 AM  

WinoRhino: I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled.


www.philebrity.com
 
2013-04-16 09:04:25 AM  

nekom: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?

You are carrying a gun and suddenly LOUD BOOM. What do you do?


That IS what I would do.  My first reaction to the image was, 'Well, yeah!'
But I am not a cop.  The only emergency training I ever had was some CPR and firefighting. No police or combat training.  While I saw some other pictures of police with their hands on their weapons, he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.  Were all the other cops shome how at fault for NOT drawing?
 
2013-04-16 09:05:31 AM  

Private_Citizen: I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?


Until we find out who fatality #3 was, no idea. Fatality #1 was the 8 year old boy, #2 was a woman(I think you can see her in some of the gruesome pics, but thats a guess).
 
2013-04-16 09:06:02 AM  

digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185


So it was the Mexicans?!?
 
2013-04-16 09:06:08 AM  

FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)


Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.
 
2013-04-16 09:06:11 AM  

ColSanders: WinoRhino: I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled.

[www.philebrity.com image 300x295]


Holy shiat, Ace Freely is really Stephen Colbert!
 
2013-04-16 09:08:15 AM  

Publikwerks: Private_Citizen: I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?

Until we find out who fatality #3 was, no idea. Fatality #1 was the 8 year old boy, #2 was a woman(I think you can see her in some of the gruesome pics, but thats a guess).


Thanks. When I heard the fatality count go up, I wondered.
 
2013-04-16 09:09:09 AM  
Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?
 
2013-04-16 09:09:58 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)

Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.


Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.
 
2013-04-16 09:10:03 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.


Side note, I believe it's a "she."
 
2013-04-16 09:10:58 AM  

ColSanders: WinoRhino: I think it was a guy or girl who failed to qualify for the marathon. They were disgruntled.

[www.philebrity.com image 300x295]


"Disqualify ME, will they?  I'll show them!  I shall become...the Tortoise!  No, that won't work.  Sloth, the Deadly Sin!  No, that's no good either.  fark it, I'll just make some pipe bombs."
 
2013-04-16 09:11:01 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: nekom: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?

You are carrying a gun and suddenly LOUD BOOM. What do you do?

That IS what I would do.  My first reaction to the image was, 'Well, yeah!'
But I am not a cop.  The only emergency training I ever had was some CPR and firefighting. No police or combat training.  While I saw some other pictures of police with their hands on their weapons, he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.  Were all the other cops shome how at fault for NOT drawing?


I believe they're trained to not draw their weapons if there is no clear target.
 
2013-04-16 09:11:20 AM  

nekom: nekom: Well it looks like the initial reports that a Saudi national was a person of interest were completely unfounded.  Not too surprising, the melee of breaking news often generates false leads.  What do we know about the significance of the date?

1.  Patriots day in Boston, that could be used by anyone really
2.  Tax day, potential date a right wing extremist might pick.
3.  Birthday of il sung, that's a BIG long shot though, in my opinion
4.  No significance to the date, the perp(s) just wanted a crowd and that was as good a place as any to find one

Am I missing anything on the speculation train?

Not sure why Fark ate my formatting there.


Its a conspiracy!

/April 16th, 1986 bombing of Libya... Meaning Benghazi may become a scandal after all.
/Its also Emancipation day in D.C.
/Celebrated here on June 3rd.
/In Texas in June 16th.
/Aka: Junteenth. Freedom day. The abolition of slavery. Cordis Die.
/Maybe its another COD kiddie, out of his gourd and hopped up on meds?
 
2013-04-16 09:11:44 AM  
Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.
 
2013-04-16 09:12:17 AM  

NeverDrunk23: April appears to be a month of disasters and tragedies.


And that's before the Leafs play their first playoff game.
 
2013-04-16 09:12:48 AM  

InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.


Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.
 
2013-04-16 09:13:15 AM  

Novart: WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds

I believe the number is four now, but still fairly low.


Can't say for sure if true but they are reporting here (Toronto) on the radio that one of the MD's involved with the serious injuries was a former trauma surgeon for the military in Afghanistan and supposedly his experience treating IED injuries really helped the victims in this case.  I can see that you would not be prepared for that kind of injury if you were an ER Doctor or surgeon.
 
2013-04-16 09:13:31 AM  

2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.


what's the difference?
 
2013-04-16 09:15:10 AM  

Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre


This Friday could be interesting. Heads up, everyone. Stay alert.
 
2013-04-16 09:15:55 AM  

Publikwerks: Private_Citizen: I hope you guys know the answer and don't mind me asking, but did the guy from "pic 8" live?

Until we find out who fatality #3 was, no idea. Fatality #1 was the 8 year old boy, #2 was a woman(I think you can see her in some of the gruesome pics, but thats a guess).


I saw video of them taking a male away from the scene while giving him chest compressions, figure that may be one of them as well.
 
2013-04-16 09:16:03 AM  
My thoughts and hopes for better days to come  go out to all American farkers today.
 
2013-04-16 09:16:06 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.


Possible that cop was an Iraq/Afghanistan vet and reacted accordingly and the other police on the scene weren't.
 
2013-04-16 09:17:03 AM  

Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?


This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.
 
2013-04-16 09:17:59 AM  
On my way to work this morning I did find out about a new development.  There is a large military presence on the subway system checking everyone and their bags.  They also have people in white suits and masks going through all of the garbage checking for more devices.
 
2013-04-16 09:18:02 AM  
Was there some drill planned for yesterday in Boston?   They should really publish a full schedule.  I just found out about this one scheduled for today:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Three-Mile-Island-to-Conduc t -Emergency-Drill-203166341.html
 
2013-04-16 09:19:28 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...


[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


In Aurora CO, James Holmes set off a explosion (tear gas)  before he opened fire.  The cops would have no way of knowing that there wasn't a guy about to open fire.

And as to why he's reacting differently, maybe the three cops communicated like "we'll check on the victims, you draw your gun and make sure there aren't more threats."  Or maybe it was just a spur-of-the-moment thing.  I dunno, but I definitely can't see any reason to fault that cop for having his gun drawn.
 
2013-04-16 09:19:33 AM  

Bloody William: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: InmanRoshi: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: ...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

   Using explosives to disorient/incapacitate a target before using gun fire is pretty standard Ambush 101.    How was he supposed to know that gunmen weren't soon to follow?    Everyone is an expert in hindsight on  the safety of their couches with Cheetos stained fingers.

Why is he the only one reacting this way?   it's a question about him compared to the other officers. not to my delicious Cheetos flavored fingers.

Possible that cop was an Iraq/Afghanistan vet and reacted accordingly and the other police on the scene weren't.


Also flying shrapnel just took down that guy right in front of them...and appears to have flown everywhere by the reaction of the runners in some videos.
 
2013-04-16 09:19:53 AM  
Any good live links for the upcoming presser?
 
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