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2013-04-16 08:03:36 AM

digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185


...And the sharks begin to circle to take advantage of tragedy to push their own sh*t...

They aren't the first, but damned if they aren't the slimiest and most repugnant...
 
2013-04-16 08:05:18 AM

Alonjar: Mose: If it is someone/group sophisticated enough to put that much forethought and planning into it, would they have been so amateurish as to make 3 out of 5 devices duds?  Doesn't fit, IMHO.

They werent duds... the authorities followed the "Terror attack in MY city?" handbook, and shut off cell phone service right away.  The bombs were most likely triggered by cell phone.


Pretty sure if they were cellphone activated they would have had plenty of time to detonate  them before the authorities had time to go through  the process of shutting down all cellphone service to the area.
 
2013-04-16 08:06:04 AM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Farce-Side: So, I scanned through this thread looking for a certain phrase, and thankfully I didn't see it.  I swear to God, I've heard the words "false flag" more in the past 24 hours than I have in my entire lifetime.  Speculative bullshiat is bullshiat.  Let's do this one right and find the person or people responsible, try them based on evidence, and then beat the living shiat out of them.

Seriously. I have a buddy who was calling 'false flag' before he even knew anything other than the fact that there was an explosion. I try to point out that in a false flag operation you would have someone set up to take the blame, but in this case officials aren't yet pointing any fingers. He seems impervious to logic. He just knows this has something to do with the government trying to take his freedom.


Right. For it to be a "false" flag, there pretty much has to be some flag there. You'd think if teh evil gub'mint had this pre-planned, they'd already have a patsy set up and "in custody".

Especially if they could pull off a sophisticated attack like 9/11 and get away with it.  ;)

But seriously, There are so many possibilities about the type of a-hole who would do something like this, it's just hard to say at this point. It could be any number of groups, or some lone disgruntled farker who wasn't on anyone's radar. I just want to see them caught, and for us to deal with this in a rational manner that will bring us together again, rather than cowering in fear and hatred of those with different views than our own.

I am sorry for all the people who lost a loved one, or were horrifically maimed yesterday. Last time something like this happened, it brought the country together for a short time, but then eventually tore us even further apart. I hope we will not make the same mistakes again, and use this for political purposes, grandstanding, stupid conspiracies, etc.

Sadly, I'm not betting on it.
 
2013-04-16 08:06:09 AM

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Well, it was Tax Day.

And Patriot's Day.

And near the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But other than that, nothing I can think of....
 
2013-04-16 08:07:08 AM
I wonder if the bomber(s) knew they were attacking a place with an over abundance of EMTs, other emergency personnel and athletic trainers. I think it's thanks to these people that the deaths were limited to only three so far.
 
2013-04-16 08:08:18 AM

JerseyTim: I wonder if the bomber(s) knew they were attacking a place with an over abundance of EMTs, other emergency personnel and athletic trainers. I think it's thanks to these people that the deaths were limited to only three so far.


I imagine that even the dumbest of terrorists would be *planning* to take out emergency personnel, given the opportunity. Which is, I'd imagine, why there were multiple bombs.
 
2013-04-16 08:08:33 AM

Into the blue again: Mose:

My wife worked at Marathon Sports near the finish line for a while, knew a lot of runners, and has volunteered in the past in the medical tent.  She was a wreck yesterday.

Oddly, though, her resolve to qualify seemed, if anything, to increase yesterday.  She's more motivated now and even told me she hopes they don't change the finish.

One of my friends is a doctor in the medical tent. I don't even know how to finish this post.... He helped a lot of people. Can't wait to see him now...


Well, I know from my wife's experience that they train even the volunteers in the medical tents on basic MCI procedures.  I've worked with a lot of very competent emergency personnel in the past, and there's not a prouder moment when you see such folks get to work and get it done.
 
2013-04-16 08:08:41 AM
One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre
 
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2013-04-16 08:09:03 AM

JerseyTim: I wonder if the bomber(s) knew they were attacking a place with an over abundance of EMTs, other emergency personnel and athletic trainers. I think it's thanks to these people that the deaths were limited to only three so far.


I think the only solid fact known so far is that the bombers weren't exactly high caliber people.
 
2013-04-16 08:10:06 AM

InmanRoshi: Quick, you better  stock up on ammo and water.    The black helicopters are coming after you !!!

//Or is that what they WANT you to think?
///Oh shiat,  I've said too much.
//Or have I?


Nope, that would be nutty. I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past this Administration to make political hay just like the last Administration used their big tragedy for political gain. I'm not saying this was a False Flag, that would be stupid, since there has been no Patsy delivered to the press. But the likelihood that - like 9/11 - no one will take responsibility for the bombing is high, so I would not be surprised to see the Administration point the finger at a convenient target, that just happens to fit their political interests, such as a lone-wolf mad about gun control, etc.

In the end, I absolutely hope the FBI finds who is responsible, whoever it is, and brings them to justice. I hope they get a fair trial, and put away for the rest of their lives for this despicable act. And I hope no one with any power tries to misuse this incident for political gain. Alex Jones is already spouting off against the government, but he has no power. If the FBI comes back in a few days and says "Best Korea did it" (or some such nonsense), and plans for war start getting lined up, I'm afraid I will have to assume - absent strong evidence being shown that those accused actually did it - that the Administration is stumped, and laying blame where it is most politically expedient.
 
2013-04-16 08:10:43 AM

Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre


My birthday is around that time and I usually end up murdering a bottle of Bourbon every year.

/Won't someone think of the poor Bourbon?
 
2013-04-16 08:10:48 AM
Well it looks like the initial reports that a Saudi national was a person of interest were completely unfounded.  Not too surprising, the melee of breaking news often generates false leads.  What do we know about the significance of the date?

1.  Patriots day in Boston, that could be used by anyone really2.  Tax day, potential date a right wing extremist might pick.3.  Birthday of il sung, that's a BIG long shot though, in my opinion4.  No significance to the date, the perp(s) just wanted a crowd and that was as good a place as any to find one.Am I missing anything on the speculation train?
 
2013-04-16 08:11:15 AM
Hey we cranked up the earthquake machine again towards a suspect nation.
 
2013-04-16 08:11:15 AM

Bontesla: Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons. But whatever, i just want the people found and hung. My heart and thoughts go out to all the victims.

Terrorists learn and incorporate tactics used by other terrorist groups. There isn't a unique signature. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever is responsible was inspired by certain well known terrorist groups.


  I know you should use ball bearings and I'm not remotely interested in ballistics.  I saw it in Swordfish and I watched Johhny Knoxville get sprayed with rubber ball bearings when he stood in front of a an anti-riot claymore in one of the Jackass movies.

Whatever dark recesses of teh intrawebbings you can go to in order to find out how to make a homemade pipebomb, there's probably a lively discussion going about which spray material would be most effective.
 
2013-04-16 08:11:34 AM

nekom: Well it looks like the initial reports that a Saudi national was a person of interest were completely unfounded.  Not too surprising, the melee of breaking news often generates false leads.  What do we know about the significance of the date?

1.  Patriots day in Boston, that could be used by anyone really
2.  Tax day, potential date a right wing extremist might pick.
3.  Birthday of il sung, that's a BIG long shot though, in my opinion
4.  No significance to the date, the perp(s) just wanted a crowd and that was as good a place as any to find one

Am I missing anything on the speculation train?


Not sure why Fark ate my formatting there.
 
2013-04-16 08:11:47 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons.


Like that McVeigh kid, Unibomber, or the Newtown, CT guy. farking Islamists, amiright?

Seriously, shut the fark up with the speculation. It's pointless.
 
2013-04-16 08:12:36 AM

Mose: Into the blue again: Mose:

My wife worked at Marathon Sports near the finish line for a while, knew a lot of runners, and has volunteered in the past in the medical tent.  She was a wreck yesterday.

Oddly, though, her resolve to qualify seemed, if anything, to increase yesterday.  She's more motivated now and even told me she hopes they don't change the finish.

One of my friends is a doctor in the medical tent. I don't even know how to finish this post.... He helped a lot of people. Can't wait to see him now...

Well, I know from my wife's experience that they train even the volunteers in the medical tents on basic MCI procedures.  I've worked with a lot of very competent emergency personnel in the past, and there's not a prouder moment when you see such folks get to work and get it done.


Agreed.
 
2013-04-16 08:12:52 AM

SpectroBoy: Here's what Patton Oswald said.

Boston. farking horrible.
I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, "Well, I've had it with humanity."

But I was wrong. I don't know what's going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.
But here's what I DO know. If it's one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.
But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.
So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."


Saw this make the rounds yesterday, and I'll admit I helped push it around a bit as well. It was exactly the sort of thing that needed to be said, and by an unlikely source, and good on him for it.
 
2013-04-16 08:12:59 AM

robohobo: Is there once image any of you guys won't ever get out of your head? I'm thinking back to September 11. There was a guy, covered in ash, glasses(i think), stumbling down the street. He blew a huge black snot rocket. For some reason, it stood out for me, and I'll remember him forever.


A picture of a guy at Tenerife, his clothes mostly torn off.
 
2013-04-16 08:13:41 AM

Kentucky Fried Panda: doublesecretprobation: it was mentioned on WBUR a few times this morning that police had raided a house in Revere and were seen leaving with "bags".

Leaving with bags does not really mean all that much.  Any time you do a search, you are going to get, at the very least, documents that would support who lives there, etc...  All evidence goes in "bags".  So, bags don't really mean all that much.  Let me know when they evacuate the neighborhood.


just relaying what i heard on the local news this morning.
 
2013-04-16 08:13:46 AM

Skarekrough: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Well, it was Tax Day.

And Patriot's Day.

And near the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But other than that, nothing I can think of....


Just farking nut up and say it so everyone who wants can put you on ignore.
 
2013-04-16 08:13:48 AM

Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre


Isn't April 20 Hitler's birthday?
 
MFK
2013-04-16 08:13:56 AM
you know, maybe, just maybe if people shut the fark up about who did it or why someone may have done it until there's some actual information out there instead of just speculation, theory and spitballing, we could calm down a bit.

our news has totally devolved into "Some people are saying" territory and it's freaking everyone out and not even remotely helping.
 
2013-04-16 08:14:30 AM
Solidarity macro overload.
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2013-04-16 08:14:58 AM
The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds
 
2013-04-16 08:15:23 AM

FullMetalPanda: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

Isn't April 20 Hitler's birthday?


Yes, but Harris and Kliebold were initially planning for April 19
 
2013-04-16 08:15:24 AM

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


Several right right groups have "anniversaries" of one sort or another in April. I'm going with home-grown on this one.
 
2013-04-16 08:16:21 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


There are billions of Muslims jackass.
The percentage of them that are dangerous is very low.

But I guess they all look the same to you.
 
2013-04-16 08:16:27 AM

WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds


I believe the number is four now, but still fairly low.
 
2013-04-16 08:16:39 AM

nekom: nekom: Well it looks like the initial reports that a Saudi national was a person of interest were completely unfounded.  Not too surprising, the melee of breaking news often generates false leads.  What do we know about the significance of the date?

1.  Patriots day in Boston, that could be used by anyone really
2.  Tax day, potential date a right wing extremist might pick.
3.  Birthday of il sung, that's a BIG long shot though, in my opinion
4.  No significance to the date, the perp(s) just wanted a crowd and that was as good a place as any to find one

Am I missing anything on the speculation train?

Not sure why Fark ate my formatting there.


April 15 is the anniversary of Amritsar.
 
2013-04-16 08:17:20 AM

Skarekrough: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

My birthday is around that time and I usually end up murdering a bottle of Bourbon every year.

/Won't someone think of the poor Bourbon?


I think Hitlers birhtday is the 20th.
 
2013-04-16 08:17:45 AM
Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.
 
2013-04-16 08:18:12 AM

WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds


Trauma medicine is pretty amazing. It's all the quality of life stuff that comes after where we still have a long long way to go.
 
2013-04-16 08:18:18 AM
Hey ass hole terrorists both domestic and foreign. You will never destroy the American spirit.
 
2013-04-16 08:18:35 AM

WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds


I expect a few more will pass in the next several days from their injuries, but hopefully not many. It's just simple odds, based on the large number of people wounded that some of them will die from their injuries.

But I do agree, with two bombs in a crowded area, the number of dead is startling low, something we can all be glad about on this terrible day.
 
2013-04-16 08:19:35 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associated with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


 I have no dog in this hunt.   Whatever the motivations of the culprit, I'll have no associations with it.   I'm not a radical Islamist.   I'm not a neo-anarchist radical left winger.   I'm not some derpy fringe right wing wing nut.  I just want the guilty person caught, and I hope that any like minded people can be put on the radar screen of authorities before they can pull off something similar.

You, on the other hand, seem to be very defensive and hoping it's not a derpy right wingnut.
 
2013-04-16 08:19:40 AM
 
2013-04-16 08:19:40 AM

Deep Contact: Skarekrough: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

My birthday is around that time and I usually end up murdering a bottle of Bourbon every year.

/Won't someone think of the poor Bourbon?

I think Hitlers birhtday is the 20th.


Earth Day is the 22nd, isn't it?  Oh, and 4/20 is national smoke out day, but I doubt potheads are hateful or motivated enough to do this.
 
2013-04-16 08:20:17 AM

ole prophet: Skarekrough: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Well, it was Tax Day.

And Patriot's Day.

And near the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But other than that, nothing I can think of....

Just farking nut up and say it so everyone who wants can put you on ignore.


When the Oklahoma City bombing went down I was driving a van for a living and bouncing between a few radio stations when I got to hear Howie Carr say "So what should we do when we get ahold of these ragheads?"

*shrugs*

I'm acutely aware of what jumping to the conclusion without anything other than what could be wild speculation means.  But there are facts of the situation, and I will be the first to admit that they could be absolutely moot.
 
2013-04-16 08:21:11 AM

vygramul: April 15 is the anniversary of Amritsar.


That would be a British thing, and London is hosting a major marathon next week.
 
2013-04-16 08:21:37 AM

MmmmBacon: WillofJ2: The fact only three people have died is amazing, News just described multiple lost limbs and open abdominal and chest wounds

I expect a few more will pass in the next several days from their injuries, but hopefully not many. It's just simple odds, based on the large number of people wounded that some of them will die from their injuries.

But I do agree, with two bombs in a crowded area, the number of dead is startling low, something we can all be glad about on this terrible day.


There were a lot of emergency personnel standing by, that surely contributed to the relatively low fatalities. There are going to be some SERIOUSLY maimed survivors, I've seen the graphic photos, the man whose legs were literally blown off is seared into my memory now.

Speaking of that, is there any confirmation that ball bearings or other shrapnel was indeed included in the bombs? It was reported early on, but so were other things that didn't pan out.
 
2013-04-16 08:22:53 AM

Viss: For every ONE you can find of a deranged "tea party" terrorist, I can name many "sane" leftists and liberal whackjobs. Its ALWAYS the left with their violence and murders and bombings... yes, Weather Underground... but thats somehow OK to you farktards.


So what you're saying is that for every right-wing terrorist attack on this country, you can name exactly one group, active forty years ago, who never killed or injured anyone?

Sounds about right.
 
2013-04-16 08:24:00 AM

Deep Contact: Skarekrough: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

My birthday is around that time and I usually end up murdering a bottle of Bourbon every year.

/Won't someone think of the poor Bourbon?

I think Hitlers birhtday is the 20th.


Despite your insistence my birthday is NOT the 20th and I am not HItler.
 
2013-04-16 08:24:25 AM
 any news agency actually confirmed the penske truck, the library, and if the other packages were actually other bombs? flipping between news stations seems to jumping back and forth with interviews  people saying packages were just disposed of as precautions to actual bombs?
 
2013-04-16 08:24:27 AM

jmr61: Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.


Not so sure.  The lack of any group claiming responsibility by this time would support your theory though.

Here is a counter theory:  Boston was a back-up target.  The actual target was the canceled New York Marathon.  Boston was the next, nearest, marathon of significance.  I believe it will be a lone wolf, but in the end will be found to be associated with International Terrorism.
 
2013-04-16 08:24:31 AM

nekom: Speaking of that, is there any confirmation that ball bearings or other shrapnel was indeed included in the bombs? It was reported early on, but so were other things that didn't pan out.


In the video you see an older runner collapse in the middle of the street as the bomb went off to his left. When interviewed he said he fell because shrapnel his his legs. That's the only sure thing I have heard about it.
 
2013-04-16 08:26:28 AM

Novart: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Alonjar: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.

If there is a single bright spot in all of this, it's the response. I was amazed the death toll was so low. But there were so many lives changed yesterday. I hope we can muster our collective humanity to help the survivors as well as the families of the deceased.

Not to mention the amazing advances in prosthetics. Not that these people will be A-OK,  but  their chances of living a happy and fulfilling life are so much better than even ten years ago.


This could sound insensitive, but I mean it as a testament to the marvel of modern prosthetics, not as glib joke.

some of them may even be able to improve their time on man made legs. We live in a wondrous age.
 
2013-04-16 08:27:17 AM

jmr61: Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.


*roll eyes*
Know-nothing farker throwing darts at the suspect board. Guaranteed.
 
2013-04-16 08:27:19 AM

nekom: There were a lot of emergency personnel standing by, that surely contributed to the relatively low fatalities.


There were also a large number of medical personnel who were either participants in the race or spectators, who all pitched in to help.  Apparently, doctors and nurses are prone to marathon.
 
2013-04-16 08:27:25 AM

MmmmBacon: If the FBI comes back in a few days and says "Best Korea did it" (or some such nonsense), and plans for war start getting lined up, I'm afraid I will have to assume - absent strong evidence being shown that those accused actually did it - that the Administration is stumped, and laying blame where it is most politically expedient.


We wouldn't really do that now, would we?
 
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