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2013-04-16 06:27:36 AM  

digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.


mm i think that would be irony
 
2013-04-16 06:28:21 AM  

schief2: mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?

Yeah, the qualifying times scale up with age/gender, so it would have been mostly older and female runners at that point. Plus some charity runners (who don't have to qualify) and anyone who was just having a really bad day.

Also, at least when I ran it a few years ago, they had a second wave of slower runners that started 20-30 minutes later, so those people would have only been 3.5 hours or so into the race.

But I read somewhere that perhaps 75% were already done when it happened.


Yep, 75.3% finished.  For most races, 4:10 minutes after the final start would be around the most crowded time to finish.  Perhaps it wasn't as heavy at Boston because of the qualifying rules, but there were still plenty of runners out there.
 
2013-04-16 06:28:29 AM  

mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


As I'm aware (and my information on this could be old), only 2/5 bombs even detonated correctly, and the suspect might have even been injured.

Could just be a case of noobishness. Frankly, half of terrorists are functionally retarded, the other half are really retarded.
 
2013-04-16 06:29:48 AM  

AlanSmithee: On one hand, I find all the wild speculation about  the perpetrators' motives kind of annoying.  On the other hand, maybe it's just that some people, sympathizing with the victims, are going out on a limb.


Too soon for that kind of word play, Alan.
 
2013-04-16 06:30:47 AM  

pedobearapproved: Gobobo: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Kim Il Sung's 101st birthday, the first ever helicopter flight in 1941, first US nuclear test in Nevada, in 1986 the US air raided Libya, and last year those spooks in Columbia got into trouble.

you know there are only 365 days in the year and something happened on each of them in history that could be linked to some group. The birthday of a leader, the birthday of an important person, the birthday of the group, an anniversery of an event that was good for them, the anniversery of an event that was bad for them, an historical event that the group identifies with, an historical event that group is opposed to. Or, if it is a group (and I'm not saying it is), just a random day that isn't linked to them, but where a bunch of people gather for some reason, with a lot of press around.


That's what they want you to think! You know there is no mention of the IRA or Provisional IRA doing anything of interest on April 15th. I think my point made is clear!

FWIW I think it was definitely a lone, crazed nutjob. Blowing up the last of the runners and spectators when a marathon is finishing isn't the MO of any group I can think of.
 
2013-04-16 06:31:07 AM  

Emposter: The person questioned in the hospital was a Saudi national, who was reportedly tackled and held by a bystander after he was seen running from near the scene of the explosion, said a law enforcement source who spoke with someone involved in the FBI's investigation. The Saudi man, believed to be a university student in Boston, is cooperating with the FBI and told agents that he was not involved in the explosions, and that he ran only because he was frightened. Investigators did not characterize the man as a suspect. No one had been arrested or charged as of late Monday night.

When I started reading about the supposed suspect last night, I knew this would be how it happened.  Some Tactical Guy wannabe jackass sees an Arab running in a sea of thousands of other people running, and tackles him for looking like a turrist.

I hope the jackass' name is on a police report so the guy can sue the shiat out of him.


That reminds me....did anything happen to those police officers (Torrance PD I believe) that shot those two elderly women they somehow thought were Chris Dorner?
 
2013-04-16 06:31:43 AM  

MinkeyMan: This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.


There was an IRA apologist in the previous Boston thread and I'm sure there'll be more.
 
2013-04-16 06:32:18 AM  
 
2013-04-16 06:32:55 AM  

AlanSmithee: On one hand, I find all the wild speculation about  the perpetrators' motives kind of annoying.  On the other hand, maybe it's just that some people, sympathizing with the victims, are going out on a limb.


Random and senseless violence is more terrifying than violence that comes from a reason; we speculate on the purpose because understanding why it was done makes us less afraid. (In my opinion, of course.)
 
2013-04-16 06:33:22 AM  
Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html
 
2013-04-16 06:33:27 AM  

robohobo: Guy looks amazingly calm...NSFW


Ok, that is the first and last picture I will view.
 
2013-04-16 06:34:36 AM  

Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)



Like this one?
 
2013-04-16 06:34:41 AM  
If it is Islamic Terrorism....lets not resort to dhimmitude and refuse to call Islamic Terrorism "Islamic Terrorism".

And its not just a left/right thing.  There are plenty on the right who refuse to call Islamic Terrorism as such...like Grover Norquist and many of the Fox News talking heads

The cheering of Palestinians in Palestine...the ball bearings used as shrapnel....these are signs that it was some sort of Islamic Terrorism
 
2013-04-16 06:36:36 AM  
robohobo: [ image link of horror ]

I'm assuming that's the dreaded Picture Eight.I can see why it's so noted in these threads; I don't think I'll ever get that image out of my head. That's ghastly. That poor man.

God damn it.
 
2013-04-16 06:37:05 AM  

Alonjar: Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


Like this one?


Do you have another article with more information? This one says nothing about him being a member of the "tea party".
 
2013-04-16 06:37:32 AM  

mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


In a marathon as large as Boston it can take over a half an hour from the time the marathon starts until the last person in the chute even crosses the starting line.  So a gun time of four hours would put the chip time for many of the runners around 3:30-3:45.  Only men age 50 and younger have qualifying times faster than 3:30, all other age groups and all women have qualifying times almost exactly within the 3:30 - 3:45 range.  Also, there are a lot of charity runners who don't have to qualify by time, they just have to raise a set amount of money for a charity that was given slots.

In the end I think I think it may have been that while there were more people around the finish waiting for the elite runners, there were more family members around the finish for when the bombs went off.  The emotional toll seems to be much higher than if it was just people wanting to see the fastest runners finish.
 
2013-04-16 06:39:32 AM  

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


I honestly don't think this was related to any particular cause.

My pure, unfounded speculation: white male in his 20s . Single. He identifies himself as a sovereign citizen but he's probably an outcast because other members feel like he's too extreme.

But again - I'm just speculating. It's absolutely worthless.
 
2013-04-16 06:39:44 AM  

FloridaFarkTag: If it is Islamic Terrorism....lets not resort to dhimmitude and refuse to call Islamic Terrorism "Islamic Terrorism".

And its not just a left/right thing.  There are plenty on the right who refuse to call Islamic Terrorism as such...like Grover Norquist and many of the Fox News talking heads

The cheering of Palestinians in Palestine...the ball bearings used as shrapnel....these are signs that it was some sort of Islamic Terrorism




Either a troll or amazingly stupid. Ball bearings a sign of Islam? farking moron.
 
2013-04-16 06:40:32 AM  

ArtosRC: robohobo: [ image link of horror ]

I'm assuming that's the dreaded Picture Eight.I can see why it's so noted in these threads; I don't think I'll ever get that image out of my head. That's ghastly. That poor man.

God damn it.


I had been consciously avoiding that image because I figured it was something I didn't want to see. But I scrolled through a non-English-language news site and suddenly there it was, smack dab in the middle of the page, without any warning. :-/

Turns out I was right. I didn't want to see it.
 
2013-04-16 06:40:36 AM  
Is there once image any of you guys won't ever get out of your head? I'm thinking back to September 11. There was a guy, covered in ash, glasses(i think), stumbling down the street. He blew a huge black snot rocket. For some reason, it stood out for me, and I'll remember him forever.
 
2013-04-16 06:40:49 AM  

jack21221: Here is a story about Carlos Arredondo, the man in the cowboy hat.

Warning: This link has a cropped picture of the infamous picture #8. The horrific wounds have been cropped out of the picture, but you still see Carlos holding shut the femoral artery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb in gs-Carlos-Arredondo-heroic-anti-war-protester-soldier-son-died-Iraq-pi ctured-helping-people.html


How cynical is it that my first thought was "Maybe he did it"?
 
2013-04-16 06:40:56 AM  

digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185


Stay classy, Westboro assholes... I'm tempted to wish a bomb going off in the middle of one of their protests, but I can't bring myself to do so...
 
2013-04-16 06:41:36 AM  

Old enough to know better: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Why these bastards haven't had their "church" firebombed by now continues to puzzle me.


Perhaps because sane people have learned to put those attention whore trolls on ignore?
 
2013-04-16 06:41:39 AM  
Any more word on this? Police gather at certain buildings? On my phone, sorry for shiatty link.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/boston_co p s_feds_descend_on_revere_buildings
 
2013-04-16 06:42:25 AM  

RobSeace: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Stay classy, Westboro assholes... I'm tempted to wish a bomb going off in the middle of one of their protests, but I can't bring myself to do so...


Can somebody explain to me how seemingly no law can be applied against them? Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment. I thought there were laws against that type of thing.
 
2013-04-16 06:43:52 AM  

Novart: RobSeace: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Stay classy, Westboro assholes... I'm tempted to wish a bomb going off in the middle of one of their protests, but I can't bring myself to do so...

Can somebody explain to me how seemingly no law can be applied against them? Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment. I thought there were laws against that type of thing.


It's not harassment if you're "protesting".
 
2013-04-16 06:44:13 AM  
Trying to be objective here, which is not easy as this is horrifying.

The first thing that grabs my attention is the bangs were more of a soft "whump" then the sharp crack of military explosives. That suggests something small and home mixed. And despite the carnage close to the explosions, it could have been a lot worse. A significant military charge would have blown the crowd barriers clean across the street and taken out most of the people on the road.

Anybody notice it's 20 years after Waco, almost to the day? My money is on home-grown.

But who knows. No one nation or religion has a monopoly on nut jobs.

My thoughts are with all who suffered.
 
2013-04-16 06:45:13 AM  

tsalaroth: Novart: RobSeace: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Stay classy, Westboro assholes... I'm tempted to wish a bomb going off in the middle of one of their protests, but I can't bring myself to do so...

Can somebody explain to me how seemingly no law can be applied against them? Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment. I thought there were laws against that type of thing.

It's not harassment if you're "protesting".


So I can just "protest" my ex-girlfriend everywhere she goes? All I need is a sign calling her satan's little slut and I'm good to go?

Sweet.
 
2013-04-16 06:45:52 AM  
April 19th is a big day for the militia movement. They haven't come out of their caves in a while.
 
2013-04-16 06:46:35 AM  

mr0x: I think the bomb detonated around 4 hours into the marathon.

Isn't the qualifying time for Boston less than 3 hours? Most runners would have crossed an hour ago and only high age groups would be crossing later.

Any news on why so "late" in the marathon the bomb was detonated?


We probably won't know this until we have identified and confirmed a suspect.

On a purely speculative note: it's doubtful that whatever explosives were planted were planted prior to the race. Security had previously passed over the area with bomb sniffing dogs (if the accounts were correct).

Perhaps the opportunity didn't present itself until the 4th wave of runners approached. We're talking about two explosive devices that went off. A third (and possibly a 4th,an 5th?) never exploded.
 
2013-04-16 06:49:08 AM  
I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.
 
2013-04-16 06:50:09 AM  

Bontesla: On a purely speculative note: it's doubtful that whatever explosives were planted were planted prior to the race. Security had previously passed over the area with bomb sniffing dogs (if the accounts were correct).

Perhaps the opportunity didn't present itself until the 4th wave of runners approached. We're talking about two explosive devices that went off. A third (and possibly a 4th,an 5th?) never exploded.


I've been thinking about that too. Perhaps the bomber(s) knew or got lucky that security was starting to let their guard down. After all, by that point they'd probably been at it for 6/7/8 hours and were probably thinking in their minds 'who the fark sets off a bomb 3/4ths of the way through a marathon anyway?'
 
2013-04-16 06:50:29 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons. But whatever, i just want the people found and hung. My heart and thoughts go out to all the victims.


Terrorists learn and incorporate tactics used by other terrorist groups. There isn't a unique signature. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever is responsible was inspired by certain well known terrorist groups.
 
2013-04-16 06:51:03 AM  

Novart: Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment.

Freedom of Speech. I thought there were laws against for that type of thing.

I too wish they would disappear. Preferably up their own assholes.

On a relevant note, stay safe Boston.
 
2013-04-16 06:51:30 AM  

Alonjar: Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


Like this one?


He wasn't tea party. He hated the IRS, government, Bush, bailouts, his CPA, the catholic church, and other random crap. Look at his wiki page. There are quotes from dailykos and others that specifically say he wasn't tea party.

Doesn't mean tea partiers aren't crazies. Just means this wasn't the example you are looking for.
 
2013-04-16 06:52:00 AM  

Ed Grubermann: phrawgh: Odds are it was one of the 'Big Three' Mediterranean Death Cults. But which one... which one...

I'm going with the Thuggee.


No martyrs.  I would discount any death cult at this point.
 
2013-04-16 06:52:16 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.


A doctor interviewed on the local news was asked this question, and he said the hospital did some such testing.
 
2013-04-16 06:53:02 AM  
Seeing those pictures I feel so horrible about this whole thing. The pain in my heart is just overwhelming. My heart goes out to those people in Boston.
 
2013-04-16 06:53:03 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.


One of the articles linked above I think says the hospitals haven't detected anything like that in the victims.
 
2013-04-16 06:53:36 AM  

jack21221: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

A doctor interviewed on the local news was asked this question, and he said the hospital did some such testing.


Thanks.
 
2013-04-16 06:54:20 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.


Probably.  After 9/11 all major cities adopted strict protocols for dealing with terror attacks and mass casualty situations.  I actually thought the response to this was amazing, they did everything they were supposed to do right away and probably saved the lives of most of those people with severe injuries.  The fact the death count is so low is due more to a great response than a lack of severe wounds.
 
2013-04-16 06:56:18 AM  

Kubluedevil14: Alonjar: Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


Like this one?

He wasn't tea party. He hated the IRS, government, Bush, bailouts, his CPA, the catholic church, and other random crap. Look at his wiki page. There are quotes from dailykos and others that specifically say he wasn't tea party.

Doesn't mean tea partiers aren't crazies. Just means this wasn't the example you are looking for.


But he did walk and talk like a duck.
 
2013-04-16 06:56:49 AM  
What I hate about these senseless acts of hatred , is this won't be replaced by the next missing white woman story, et al.
 
2013-04-16 06:56:50 AM  

Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


I wasn't accusing the Tea Party of being behind this, just commenting on the irony of them being upset someone would accuse an entire group of people and then do just that. All without solid evidence.
 
2013-04-16 06:57:42 AM  

UDel_Kitty: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.

One of the articles linked above I think says the hospitals haven't detected anything like that in the victims.


Good to know. I remember when the media first started mentioning things like dirty bombs and this was one of the scenarios they described. I hope this turns out to be an isolated event. Stay strong, Boston.
 
2013-04-16 06:57:45 AM  

Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?


I suspect it was significant for someone who wanted to stage a terrorist incident during the Boston Marathon, a widely publicized event, impossible to secure, featuring many people in confined areas at a predictable time, with large groups of bystanders to blend into while preparing for their strike.  That is all we know, and anything else is pointless speculation and a waste of time and energy.
 
2013-04-16 06:58:18 AM  

Novart: RobSeace: digistil: The Westboro Baptist Church has identified the perp: Jesus.

http://www.ibtimes.com/westboro-baptist-church-hails-boston-marathon -e xplosion-plans-picket-funerals-1194185

Stay classy, Westboro assholes... I'm tempted to wish a bomb going off in the middle of one of their protests, but I can't bring myself to do so...

Can somebody explain to me how seemingly no law can be applied against them? Picketing funerals purely for the sake of harassment seems to be....harassment. I thought there were laws against that type of thing.


To be fair, how else are they going to get teh ghey out of Fred?
 
2013-04-16 06:59:00 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Looks like a scene out of Iraq or Israel. I won't speculate on who is responsible, though one has to admit, if you are honest, that Islamic extremists comes to mind. Due to their love of killing innocent people for retarded reasons.


Why did we invade Iraq again?
Was the reason for that unretarded?
 
2013-04-16 06:59:12 AM  

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I apologize if it has already been covered, but did the authorities check for radiation or biological agents? I doubt there are any, but you never know.


I heard last night that the bombs were cleared of radiation. But you know the rule about nothing reliable coming out of the first 24 hours.
 
2013-04-16 06:59:40 AM  

MmmmBacon: Richard C Stanford: NicoFinn: So, the Pakistani Taliban has denied involvement. At this point, all I want to know is who's responsible. I'll worry about anger and justice later. I start class in two hours. They're all gonna have plenty of questions. Then again, we probably all do right now.

Possibly a "lone wolf" style attack. Was the 15th of April a significant date for any group?

Take your pick:

Patriots Day
Tax Day

It is also near to Adolph Hitler's birthday (April 20th, a big one for the neo-nazi types) and April 19th, when the Waco siege ended so badly and also when McVeigh attacked the Federal building in Oklahoma City.


It was also the day of the big marathon in Boston, when alot of potential victims would be gathered in a public place.
 
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