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2013-04-16 09:20:00 AM

serial_crusher: 2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.

what's the difference?


The only thing I can think of is "wounded" has more of a military connotation to it.  I don't see the big deal about using either word.

Dictionary.com, FWIW:
injury - harm or damage that is done or sustained
wound -  aninjury,usuallyinvolvingdivisionoftissueorruptureoftheintegumentormuc ousmembrane,duetoexternalviolenceorsomemechanicalagencyratherthandisea se.
 
2013-04-16 09:20:02 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...


[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


I was disappointed the most of them didn't draw their weapons when the blasts hit. Very reasonable Weeners. That image might have been before the 2nd explosion, as I that was to position of the guy on the ground at that time.
 
2013-04-16 09:20:03 AM

WinoRhino: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.

Side note, I believe it's a "she."


And she wasn't the only one. If you watch some wide shots of the explosion, there's another cop by the finish line grandstands who pulls his weapon and then puts it back in his holster about 30 seconds later when he realizes it's not a shooter attack.
 
2013-04-16 09:23:01 AM

FLMountainMan: Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.


Or you could have done the research before you opened your mouth and saved yourself the trouble.

Which brings us to the second point: Jones wasn't a Liberal.  He wasn't a Conservative, either.  He was a sociopath, and the only reason he helped anyone (like elderly women) was because it helped Jim Jones (because he convinced them to give him all their money, which is what he lived off of).
 
2013-04-16 09:23:54 AM

killershark: And she wasn't the only one. If you watch some wide shots of the explosion, there's another cop by the finish line grandstands who pulls his weapon and then puts it back in his holster about 30 seconds later when he realizes it's not a shooter attack.


Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on this.
 
2013-04-16 09:23:56 AM

satanorsanta: On my way to work this morning I did find out about a new development.  There is a large military presence on the subway system checking everyone and their bags.  They also have people in white suits and masks going through all of the garbage checking for more devices.


Feel secured by their efforts.  I am sure Detroit still only has posters up reminding you to call a the number below if you see something suspicious.  I don't know if anyone will show up, but your call will be recorded.

/Hopefully nothing further will happen and normalcy will return
 
2013-04-16 09:25:37 AM
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2013-04-16 09:26:03 AM
Not to sound happy, but this is really best this could have gone. Marathons require alot of medical personel,  and having all the ambulances staged along with the medical volunteers and Boston's world class hospitals, I don't think there is a situation outside of a military campaign that could have handled it better.
 
2013-04-16 09:26:40 AM
OK, I've been looking at the film and the stills, and I'm starting to formulate a theory about the devices:

These weren't bombs made with actual high explosives.  It was made with gunpowder, specifically either black powder, or, more likely, a black powder substitute like Pyrodex or Triple7.

My reasoning is the fire-ball like nature of the "explosions", and the large amounts of white smoke.  Anyone whose seen a muzzleloader shoot is familiar with that image on a much smaller scale.  Even the color of the fireball matches.

My guess on the construction is a large metal pipe filled with something like Triple7 (most energetic of the 3 powders I mentioned), either detonated remotely via radio or cell signal, or by a timer.  A simple battery and an Estes rocket motor igniter would suffice to trigger the device.  Easy to construct, the materials are uncontrolled, and crude, though as we've seen, cruelly effective.

 Right now, my thinking is remote detonation.  The explosions were close enough together that the setting of timers makes the timing iffy, but it jives well with "call bomb 1, hang up, call bomb 2" or "transmit bomb 1 signal, change frequency, transmit bomb 2 signal".  A cautious bomber would avoid using cellphones, though:  They'll be able to pull up the cell numbers somehow (recovered chips from the phones, or even just seeing what numbers were called in that area at that exact instant), and from that they could just request every single "ping" from those phones to find out where those phones have been, which would lead investigators to those responsible.

A less traceable method would use something like a commonly used handheld radio like an FRS or GMRS handheld, set on a certain channel with a certain CTCSS code.  You use the audio from the radio to close a relay, which closes the connection between the battery and the igniter.    Radio won't unsquelch without a transmission on the proper frequency with the proper code.  Since they are simple radios, they don't transmit location data to cell sites, and thus investigators couldn't retrieve the prior locations of those devices.

As I said, pure speculation on my part.
 
2013-04-16 09:26:42 AM

croesius: SBinRR:

On a side note, there were a lot more heroes than there were villains yesterday.  Let's not forget that.

Been seeing this going around, lotta good in the midst of all that bad:

[www.chailife.com image 600x389]


I was one of the early watchers of Mr Rogers Neighborhood (Late 60's).  My parents couldn't understand my infatuation with his show. This comment is what he was all about.  Just a kind man, nothing more.
 
2013-04-16 09:27:32 AM

killershark: WinoRhino: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.

Side note, I believe it's a "she."

And she wasn't the only one. If you watch some wide shots of the explosion, there's another cop by the finish line grandstands who pulls his weapon and then puts it back in his holster about 30 seconds later when he realizes it's not a shooter attack.


I was happy to see fingers safely off triggers from both of these officers - responding to potential further threat by drawing, and not putting people at further risk by being trigger happy.
 
2013-04-16 09:27:34 AM

WinoRhino: killershark: And she wasn't the only one. If you watch some wide shots of the explosion, there's another cop by the finish line grandstands who pulls his weapon and then puts it back in his holster about 30 seconds later when he realizes it's not a shooter attack.

Yeah, I'm not sure why everyone is fixated on this.


Probably because there isn't any real information regarding the person/people behind this.  Considering that the discussion could be the standard "Which Mooslim group did this?!?!?", pondering about police procedure and individual reactions under fire is far more benign.

The drawn gun debate is just us Fark news junkies waiting for some information so we can figure out how we build this tragic event into our world view.
 
2013-04-16 09:28:24 AM

serial_crusher: 2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.

what's the difference?



"It's called 'wounded,' Peanut. 'Injured' is when you fall out of a tree or something."

/hopefully not obscure
 
2013-04-16 09:28:38 AM

FLMountainMan: Dwight_Yeast: FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)

Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.

Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.


Dr.Mxyzptlk.: So is this the fark narrative:

 If it's a "tea party member /lone wolf white guy ' then everyone associat0ed with lower taxes or white skin is guilty by association.

If it's a "muslim extremist " we must remember that it was act of a lone individual and not reflective of a system of beliefs or stated positions of  certain Islamic organizations.

Okay I got it.


It's less than 24 hours after a bombing that's killed several people and crippled dozens in one of our major cities. We don't know who did it or why. Do you feel good about trying to score political points on this? Do you feel good about making yourself the victim instead of the injured and dead?

Lmr61:Anti-government, right-wing, tax protestor.

Guaranteed.


That's not helping, either. We don't know.
 
2013-04-16 09:28:45 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: While I saw some other pictures of police with their hands on their weapons, he is the only one that I saw with a drawn weapon.  Were all the other cops shome how at fault for NOT drawing?


 Why do you insist that someone be at fault?
 
2013-04-16 09:28:59 AM
Oh noes, May is an even more dangerous month than April, guys!

May 21, 1856: Sacking of Lawrence-Pro-Slavery forces enter Lawrence, Kansas to disarm residents and destroy the town's presses and the Free State Hotel.
May 24, 1856 - May 25, 1856: Anti-slavery Pottawatomie Massacre-In response to the sacking of Lawrence, John Brown leads a group of abolitionists in the murders of five pro-slavery Kansas settlers.
May 4, 1886: Haymarket affair-Anarchists at Haymarket Square in Chicago detonate a bomb during a labor rally, the police respond with gunfire killing twelve people.
1915, May 30: German agents blow up a barge carrying 15 tons of refined gunpowder just off of Harbor Island, Seattle, Washington.[4]
1921 May 31: During the Tulsa race riot there were reports that whites dropped dynamite from airplanes onto a black ghetto in Tulsa. The riot killed 39-300 people and destroyed more than 1,100 homes. This account is heavily disputed, however
1927 May 18: The Bath School disaster (bombings) killed 45 people and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7-12 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe
1982 May 4: Turkish Honorary Consul Orhan Gunduz was assassinated in his car in Somerville, Massachusetts by the Justice Commandos Against Armenian Genocide.
2001 May 21 The Center for Urban Horticulture at the University of Washington burned. Replacement building cost $7 million ($9,076,000 today). Earth Liberation Front members pleads guilty
May 2002 Mailbox Pipe Bomber: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa. His motivation was to garner media attention so that he could spread a message denouncing government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana, as well as promote astral projection.
2008 May 4: Multiple pipe bombs exploded at 1:40 am at the Edward J. Schwartz United States Courthouse in San Diego causing "considerable damage" to the entrance and lobby and sending shrapnel two blocks away, but causing no injuries. The F.B.I. is investigating links between this attack and an April 25 explosion at the FedEx building also in San Diego.[50]
2009 May 31: Assassination of George Tiller: Scott Roeder shoots and kills Dr. George Tiller in a Wichita, Kansas church. Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist who believes in justifiable homicide of abortion providers, was arrested soon afterward. Roeder
2009 May 25: 17-year old Kyle Shaw sets off a crude explosive device at a Starbucks at East 92nd Street on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, shattering windows and destroyed a bench at the coffee shop. There were no injuries. The attack was a "bizarre tribute" of the movie Fight Club
 
2013-04-16 09:29:29 AM

MinkeyMan: This is tragic and horrific... and yet if the exact same happened in London 20 years ago, South Boston would be one big street party.


Between the IRA and Al Queida, London has been bombed a whole bunch of times in the last 40 years. Considering there were no street parties here in Ireland, I doubt there were any in Boston either.
 
2013-04-16 09:29:45 AM

serial_crusher: I keep wondering why the guy targeted the finish instead of the start. All those antsy runners crammed into corrals would make a pretty enticing target if I was a nutjob.


many reasons.

1) a backpack with a bomb in it is much more noticeable in the start corrals than on the sidewalk filled by a lot of spectators.  Those corrals are just road and people, porto potties on the side and maybe a water station.  No random backpacks, no trash bags lying around.  There is a probably a bag check, but that is monitored and far enough from the starting corrals.
2) less media, less spectators.
3) much fewer 8-year-old children to kill
4) the start is a less populous area where terrorists are gonna be more noticeable - especially someone in street clothes wandering around the start.  People without bibs aren't allowed into the start area and stick out pretty well.  Tthe start is in a suburban town, not downtown Boston.
 
2013-04-16 09:30:10 AM
Here's some more info on the guy from Pic #8. He's alive and stable.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/04/16/chronicling-the-carnage/
 
2013-04-16 09:32:01 AM

FLMountainMan: Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?

This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.


I don't think that this can be labelled as "terrorism" until you know who did it and why. If it turns out to have been the work of a single deranged nutbag with no political agenda, then it was not terrorism. Terrorists have an agenda. Even so, I think that there would be nothing wrong with calling it an act of terror, because it was, and the White House has done so. People that want Obama to call it Terrorism don't know what terrorism is, and probably don't really know what socialism or communism or the other words they use mean exactly either.
 
2013-04-16 09:32:04 AM

WinoRhino: There are so many people earning "ignore" today...


Threads like this are great for thinning the herd.

Publikwerks: Not to sound happy, but this is really best this could have gone. Marathons require alot of medical personel,  and having all the ambulances staged along with the medical volunteers and Boston's world class hospitals, I don't think there is a situation outside of a military campaign that could have handled it better.


Or to look at it from this other perspective: this was the stupidiest and shiattiest excuse for a terrorist attack we've seen so far.  By all accounts, this thing was handled more like a drill than an actual attack, with everyone knowing their job and doing it.

Even the film of the aftermath of the bombs going off (the Boston Globe footage) bears that out.
 
2013-04-16 09:33:51 AM

KarmicDisaster: FLMountainMan: Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?

This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.

I don't think that this can be labelled as "terrorism" until you know who did it and why. If it turns out to have been the work of a single deranged nutbag with no political agenda, then it was not terrorism. Terrorists have an agenda. Even so, I think that there would be nothing wrong with calling it an act of terror, because it was, and the White House has done so. People that want Obama to call it Terrorism don't know what terrorism is, and probably don't really know what socialism or communism or the other words they use mean exactly either.


I disagree.  This was to strike fear.  Plain and simple, that is terrorism at it's core.
 
2013-04-16 09:34:59 AM

DesktopHippie: Between the IRA and Al Queida, London has been bombed a whole bunch of times in the last 40 years.


One of the problems the IRA had was that they began attacking London while WWII was still a recent memory for many people there.  It was easy for the English to slip back into their war mindset, and not let the attacks stop them from going about their lives.
 
2013-04-16 09:37:08 AM

2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.


Civilians aren't going to get the Purple Heart. They are injuries.
 
2013-04-16 09:37:59 AM
Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.
 
2013-04-16 09:38:09 AM

serial_crusher: 2wolves: Please stop saying "injuries. "

These are wounds. The previous administration started this verbal smoke screen and it's stupid.

what's the difference?


tinfoil
 
2013-04-16 09:38:24 AM

ongbok: RobSeace: Police looking for a hooded man and a rental van...

Is that a birth defect, being born hooded?


So it WAS a Jewish fundamentalist!
 
2013-04-16 09:38:46 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I have read through every post, all 3 threads so far. I havn't commented, posted or put up any kind of speculation.

There are simply not enough facts to do so.

That being said, while I live in western canada a good friend of mine was at the finish line with his family, they had family members in the race, so we're all affected, no matter how far apart we are.

Thankfully since they were all together they managed to help where they could and then get away from everything, he sent me this picture late last night, should be SFW, it really strikes home the amount of injured as it shows the line of ambulances waiting to get people offloaded at the hospital.

I'm thankful he's alright, and that his family wasn't harmed and is safe.
SFW Image
 
2013-04-16 09:39:22 AM

GameSprocket: Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre

It won't be happening here in MN. We all too damned depressed by the fact that we are still getting freaking snowstorms! We just don't have the energy or motivation to attack strangers at this point.


And i thought we were too nice.
 
2013-04-16 09:39:36 AM

Zazzy: Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.


It's unclear exactly what the motivation was just yet, and the bomber may or may not have known this about Boston. But it is worth mentioning that a high degree of kudos are in order for sure. They appear to have handled this as best as anyone possibly could have handled such a horrid thing. I have no doubt many lives were saved.
 
2013-04-16 09:40:47 AM

JusticeandIndependence: KarmicDisaster: FLMountainMan: Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?

This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.

I don't think that this can be labelled as "terrorism" until you know who did it and why. If it turns out to have been the work of a single deranged nutbag with no political agenda, then it was not terrorism. Terrorists have an agenda. Even so, I think that there would be nothing wrong with calling it an act of terror, because it was, and the White House has done so. People that want Obama to call it Terrorism don't know what terrorism is, and probably don't really know what socialism or communism or the other words they use mean exactly either.

I disagree.  This was to strike fear.  Plain and simple, that is terrorism at it's core.


Well, look at the DC sniper case. That sure seemed like terrorism at the time, and it caused fear, but the guy's actual objective turned out to be to cause a distraction to cover up killing someone in particular that he wanted to kill. I'd say that until we know more, we can't call this terrorism, although we may once we know why it was done. Anyway, since so many people want a snap judgement about it, Obama should have just called it an "act of terror" to make them happy.
 
2013-04-16 09:41:30 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Sudden stress/chaos/fear.  Uncharitable to second guess anyone in the middle of it, but...


[i309.photobucket.com image 233x310]

...what was the cop with the pistol think he was going to do; shoot the next explosion?

The other police, in this picture and others, didn't seem to have their weapons drawn, so, is he the only one doing it right?
Did he see someone that he thought was a threat? Or does he need retraining?


It looks to me like at least two of the cops have guns in their hands, and possibly a third.

What did he think he was going to do? Possibly shoot the guy who followed up throwing a bomb by opening up with an Uzi. Just because we know now what did happen doesn't mean that he knew then what was going to happen.

In short, an example of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it".
 
2013-04-16 09:41:35 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Why is he the only one reacting this way?


I saw lots of guns throughout the coverage. And just because you saw that glimpse doesn't mean he didn't immediately holster his weapon after. And I really don't understand what difference it even makes.
 
2013-04-16 09:41:54 AM

Rockstone: One should note that April is a terrible month for violence:

April 15, 2013: Boston Marathon Bombing
April 16, 2007: Virginia Tech Massacre
April 19, 1993: Waco Siege Violently Ends
April 19, 1995: Oaklahoma City Bombing
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School Massacre


people wait and plan during the winter, then when the weather is nice again they act.
 
2013-04-16 09:41:58 AM

Zazzy: Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country.


*cough* Philadelphia *cough*

/Boston's good, but they're not the only place on the planet with so many excellent hospitals so close together.
//hometown prejudice.
 
2013-04-16 09:42:50 AM
 
2013-04-16 09:43:08 AM

Alonjar: Novart: digistil: Teabaggers on Twitter are outraged people suspect them without any evidence, while at the same time say Muslins are undoubtedly behind the bombing.

And people say conservatives don't have a sense of humor.

Name a terrorist attack committed by a member of the "tea party" (I can't say that name without putting it in quotations, they don't deserve it)


Like this one?


This attack (involving crashing a small plane into the IRS building) was done by a guy with a beef with the IRS. As noted in the article, Andrew Sack had no associations with political organizations or terrorist groups. This was just a guy off his rocker and mad about his tax problems.
 
2013-04-16 09:43:28 AM
Portions of the governor's memo to state employees this morning:

Friends -

First, after yesterday's horrific events, I hope you, your family members and your friends are safe and sound.  I know that all of our thoughts and prayers are with those who were injured.

The state will be open for business today, but it will not be business as usual. For those of you taking public transportation to work, you will see an additional police presence - including random searches of packages, bags, and backpacks. When you get to work, you will also see an additional security presence. While key state buildings have been searched and secured, we are increasing security out of an abundance of caution ...

...As always, I thank you for your service to the Commonwealth and ask that you show a little extra support, patience and kindness to your neighbors.

Sincerely,

Duval Patrick
 
2013-04-16 09:43:33 AM

KarmicDisaster: JusticeandIndependence: KarmicDisaster: FLMountainMan: Muta: Did Obama call this a terrorist attack quickly enough or should we have 43 congressional hearings to determine that he mislead America?

This is the classic argument that every President faces.  Numerous administration officials have called it a terrorist attack. Some people who disagree with the President will ignore those statements and focus on the fact that the President didn't call it that.

However, if one of those numerous administration officials had said it's the work of a group of people opposed to the President, then people would say, "the President blamed Republicans/Democrats for the attacks!!!!"

Same thing applies in reverse - a year or two ago I told a CSB that was very critical of six FEMA workers on here.  This was taken to be an attack against Obama and I had people calling me a right-winger, even though Obama had nothing to do with the conduct of the FEMA workers and was never mentioned in my post.

People seem to becoming more and more "religious" regarding politics.  It's troubling.

I don't think that this can be labelled as "terrorism" until you know who did it and why. If it turns out to have been the work of a single deranged nutbag with no political agenda, then it was not terrorism. Terrorists have an agenda. Even so, I think that there would be nothing wrong with calling it an act of terror, because it was, and the White House has done so. People that want Obama to call it Terrorism don't know what terrorism is, and probably don't really know what socialism or communism or the other words they use mean exactly either.

I disagree.  This was to strike fear.  Plain and simple, that is terrorism at it's core.

Well, look at the DC sniper case. That sure seemed like terrorism at the time, and it caused fear, but the guy's actual objective turned out to be to cause a distraction to cover up killing someone in particular that he wanted to kill. I'd say that until we know more, we can ...


Just want to clarify, I don't believe Obama should have said anything different in his press conference.  I was just commenting on what I believe it to be.
 
2013-04-16 09:43:39 AM

bdub77: One sec, I've just gotta do this line of coke here.......ahhhh.


Oliver Stone! What are you doing posting here?
 
2013-04-16 09:44:55 AM

2wolves: FLMountainMan: Dwight_Yeast: FLMountainMan: Jim Jones for starters....

(Not that it matters, really)

Jim Jones wasn't a terrorist.  A sociopath and a mass murderer, yes.  But not a terrorist.  He did what he did out of ego, not to strike fear into the hearts of Americans.

Fine.  At this point, I could a) do research and "prove" you wrong on the internet until the goalposts move or hairs are split further, or b) accept the fact that I'm dealing with someone who thinks that there are no liberal people who would ever organize into groups for the purpose of perpetrating violence, and just move along.

You're an moran.


Says the guy who thinks liberals are incapable of organized violence.

My point isn't to blame liberals for this attack.  I don't even care what group did this.  If it was a "liberal" group, it in no way some sort of victory for conservative principles.  If it was a "conservative" group, I don't think that validates big government.

My point is that implying it could not have been a "liberal" group is as stupid as implying it must've been Muslims/Christians/Tea Partiers/Puerto Rican Separatists, etc...

Every group has crazies.  Those who think their party/team/ideology is infallible are idiots.
 
2013-04-16 09:45:28 AM

BigBooper: I saw picture 8! What is seen can't be unseen!


I saw picture 8 and pretty much all the other images and videos that were posted yesterday. While I'm not grossed out by graphic images like that, what got to me this morning was, that this guy wakes up today (hopefully, he was well sedated overnight), and that's his new reality. It's not a picture, it's his life that changed forever within a split second because of some demented person's agenda.
 
2013-04-16 09:45:59 AM
They talk funny there.  Like they have a communal speech impediment or something.  Anyone else notice that?
 
2013-04-16 09:46:12 AM
Mumbles sounds drunk.  Not that I would blame him if he is.
 
2013-04-16 09:47:00 AM

Barnstormer: Portions of the governor's memo to state employees this morning:

Friends -

First, after yesterday's horrific events, I hope you, your family members and your friends are safe and sound.  I know that all of our thoughts and prayers are with those who were injured.

The state will be open for business today, but it will not be business as usual. For those of you taking public transportation to work, you will see an additional police presence - including random searches of packages, bags, and backpacks. When you get to work, you will also see an additional security presence. While key state buildings have been searched and secured, we are increasing security out of an abundance of caution ...

...As always, I thank you for your service to the Commonwealth and ask that you show a little extra support, patience and kindness to your neighbors.

Sincerely,

Duval Patrick


He must be tired .  He spelled his own name wrong.
 
2013-04-16 09:47:23 AM

Zazzy: Very odd choice of a target really. Boston has more world-class trauma center than really anywhere else in the country. They have an excellent record of emergency drills for everything and anything that would involve mass casualties. My relatives all took part in the emergency drills a while back as volunteers, the Boston emergency planning people have got every current and former hospital pegged down to specific rolls in situation X and they know where every piece of extra medical equipment in the city is. And an awful lot of well-trained medical professionals were either taking part in the event or were expecting to possibly be called upon if anything happened to some runners or the crowds. This may have maimed a bunch of people but if they wanted deaths this was the wrong place and time to go for it.


I'm going to echo nekom and say the motivations are unknown at this point.

Having said that, the Boston Marathon is an excellent choice of target if you want to spread a large amount of anxiety and fear from a minimal attack.  It's been dominating the news ever since it happened, after all.  A bombing at the local Corn-Hole competition in Podunk, Kansas wouldn't get that kind of coverage, and that is quite likely the motivation here:  to spread the maximum amount of fear and panic.

You've got guaranteed crowds and guaranteed media coverage at an event like the Boston Marathon.
 
2013-04-16 09:47:29 AM

Farce-Side: Earth Day is the 22nd, isn't it? Oh, and 4/20 is national smoke out day, but I doubt potheads are hateful or motivated enough to do this.


Maybe if you stole their Cheetos.
 
2013-04-16 09:47:31 AM

PreMortem: AM radio this morning: "Why didn't the President use they word 'terrorism'?"

Terrorism: The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

Until there is motive, it's just an act of violence. Please shoot down any reference to terrorism as of yet. I texted into this radio station and asked why it was so important for some people to hear the word "terrorism". To me it implies people were terrified, which implies cowardice. They did not respond.

It should be called an act of cowardice, not terrorism.


But it's got "TERROR" right in it!  Are people scared? Then it is terrorism!  These terrorists just want to scare people, period. And it works!

/fox-news-listener's understanding of the world
 
2013-04-16 09:47:40 AM

TheSelphie: Mumbles sounds drunk.  Not that I would blame him if he is.


He always sounds like that.  "City of Boston" = "shiatty Abortion" in his dialect, whatever the hell dialect that is.
 
2013-04-16 09:48:13 AM

TheSelphie: Mumbles sounds drunk.  Not that I would blame him if he is.


He broke his leg last week, so he's probably on some pretty major pain relievers.
 
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