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(Deadspin)   How an Achilles tear affects NBA players (or, why Kobe is screwed)   (deadspin.com) divider line 105
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2013-04-16 09:05:34 AM  
Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?
 
2013-04-16 09:10:08 AM  

foo monkey: Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?


Hey, it's only libel if it's not true!
 
2013-04-16 09:16:56 AM  
The best part of all this, as Bill Simmons brought up on his pod yesterday: Kobe's contract is now a possibility for being amnestied by the Lakers. Kobe would still get the $30 mil he's due, but apparently "insurance" (of some kind) relieves a large chunk of that burden from the Lakers, and they would potentially save a bunch more against the luxury tax.

It seems incredible to think they would ever consider doing this, but if it's true that the recovery is a year minimum....why wouldn't they? The Lakers would be actively harming their team keeping him on the roster. If nothing else, they may have to do it to help convince Dwight to stick around/sign a new deal. You think Kobe's being douch-ey now...wait until the Lakers essentially cut him loose.
 
2013-04-16 09:18:27 AM  

Farabor: foo monkey: Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?

Hey, it's only libel if you can prove it's not true!


FTFY
 
2013-04-16 09:24:40 AM  
Well we know his golf game is screwed. He'll never follow through on anything. He'll be pushing everything out to the right. He'll give up the game.

/carlspackler.jpg
 
2013-04-16 09:30:20 AM  
In the butt?
 
2013-04-16 09:37:00 AM  

The Muthaship: In the butt?


UKIA
 
2013-04-16 09:42:57 AM  

Swoop1809: Well we know his golf game is screwed. He'll never follow through on anything. He'll be pushing everything out to the right. He'll give up the game.

/carlspackler.jpg


Hamstring.

Good God man, get the quote right.
 
2013-04-16 09:49:15 AM  

jayhawk88: The best part of all this, as Bill Simmons brought up on his pod yesterday: Kobe's contract is now a possibility for being amnestied by the Lakers. Kobe would still get the $30 mil he's due, but apparently "insurance" (of some kind) relieves a large chunk of that burden from the Lakers, and they would potentially save a bunch more against the luxury tax.

It seems incredible to think they would ever consider doing this, but if it's true that the recovery is a year minimum....why wouldn't they? The Lakers would be actively harming their team keeping him on the roster. If nothing else, they may have to do it to help convince Dwight to stick around/sign a new deal. You think Kobe's being douch-ey now...wait until the Lakers essentially cut him loose.


They should dump Dwight too and start fresh. Remember the mid-90s Lakers before Shaq? That's coming.
 
2013-04-16 09:52:04 AM  
I for one feel bad for the NBA officials that are going to have to work overtime to ensure the Lakers not only make the playoffs, but get deep into them.
 
2013-04-16 09:52:41 AM  
Or more likely he'll go to Germany again for some "revolutionary new treatment" and miraculously be back on the court next season.
 
2013-04-16 09:55:43 AM  
Why is it always the good guys?
 
2013-04-16 10:02:35 AM  
The medical reasons for why it's so tough to come back were interesting -- the shortening or lengthening of the tendon. So no matter how hard you work, it pretty much depends on the condition of your tendon and the skill of the surgeon.
 
2013-04-16 10:08:06 AM  

SuperChuck: They should dump Dwight too and start fresh. Remember the mid-90s Lakers before Shaq? That's coming.


It's probably the smart play, because for all we know Howard is 2 or 3 years away from being Tyson Chandler, but if they don't sign Howard it's not like they have a whole lot of other options. Could they convince Chris Paul to change jerseys? Is Josh Smith going to excite anyone in LA?

If they throw away a year, then what? Hope for LeBron? Carmelo? Both of them will be 30 by the time they could put on an LA jersey.

Howard is probably their best option.
 
2013-04-16 10:13:57 AM  

Farabor: foo monkey: Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?

Hey, it's only libel if it's not true!


It's not true. He's not my favorite high-functioning sociopath.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:27 AM  

Broktun: Swoop1809: Well we know his golf game is screwed. He'll never follow through on anything. He'll be pushing everything out to the right. He'll give up the game.

/carlspackler.jpg

Hamstring.

Good God man, get the quote right.


Lighten up, Francis.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:59 AM  
Rings true.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:37 AM  
Makes it hard to run away from rapes?
 
2013-04-16 10:31:08 AM  
Uh, Kobe is screwed because he is turning 35 in August.  I know this because we share the same birthday and penchant for white women.
 
2013-04-16 10:32:59 AM  
Joke's on you Subby, he's got tons of corpse Achilles' tendons stashed in his basement.
 
2013-04-16 10:36:09 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I for one feel bad for the NBA officials that are going to have to work overtime to ensure the Lakers not only make the playoffs, but get deep into them.


Don't feel bad for the refs. They get a spiff off of the LA TV revenues, the cable TV revenues and, since they know the fix is in, they can bet heavy in Vegas.

They'll make millions.
 
2013-04-16 10:40:09 AM  
To be fair, the group size of this "study" was 18 players.  That's not really enough to make any sort of determination.  I'm not saying Kobe will come back from this (I doubt it, given his age and injury), but the study this writer's quoting is more or less a lot of dressing and not a lot of facts.
 
2013-04-16 10:40:29 AM  

Neeek: Farabor: foo monkey: Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?

Hey, it's only libel if it's not true!

It's not true. He's not my favorite high-functioning sociopath.


well.... who is your favorite high functioning sociopath?

/sherlock doesnt count
 
2013-04-16 10:48:27 AM  

jayhawk88: SuperChuck: They should dump Dwight too and start fresh. Remember the mid-90s Lakers before Shaq? That's coming.

It's probably the smart play, because for all we know Howard is 2 or 3 years away from being Tyson Chandler, but if they don't sign Howard it's not like they have a whole lot of other options. Could they convince Chris Paul to change jerseys? Is Josh Smith going to excite anyone in LA?

If they throw away a year, then what? Hope for LeBron? Carmelo? Both of them will be 30 by the time they could put on an LA jersey.

Howard is probably their best option.


I'm not sold on Dwight Howard as a franchise player. maybe we'll see different if the Laker's make the playoffs but I don't think you can build a team around him. he can be the second best player on a championship team but not the best player. He's too limited offensively
 
2013-04-16 10:53:35 AM  

farbekrieg: Neeek: Farabor: foo monkey: Kobe Bryant, your favorite high-functioning sociopath and mine

wow, libel much?

Hey, it's only libel if it's not true!

It's not true. He's not my favorite high-functioning sociopath.

well.... who is your favorite high functioning sociopath?


Tiger Woods
 
2013-04-16 10:54:16 AM  
His post surgery recovery plan will include rest, rehab and plenty of butt rape.
 
2013-04-16 10:55:46 AM  
CSB - I tore my Achilles.  Didn't rehab like I should have.  Went from being able to dunk pretty easily to barely being able to dunk a volleyball.  I was 22.
 
2013-04-16 10:56:18 AM  

SuperChuck: I'm not sold on Dwight Howard as a franchise player. maybe we'll see different if the Laker's make the playoffs but I don't think you can build a team around him. he can be the second best player on a championship team but not the best player.


Yeah, this. Howard's a Pippen, not a Jordan.
 
2013-04-16 11:00:35 AM  
he may be only, what, 36 (which in basketball, is OLLLLLLLLLLLLLLD) but, if you count all of his playoff games, Olympic / international games, he's got a ton of miles on his body.  he isn't Jason Kidd 38 or whatever, that might have missed the playoffs on some teams.  he's played a shiatload of "extra" games against elite talent so his "17 NBA seasons" or whatever it is, is misleading.
 
2013-04-16 11:05:53 AM  
Basically the list at the end separates out to:

Guys who continued playing: players who were well above average in the NBA prior to the injury or were young
Guys who played only one more year: mediocre players
Guys who never played again: guys you never heard of (and Isiah Thomas, who had been planning to retire at the end of the season he was injured prior to the injury anyway)
 
2013-04-16 11:13:07 AM  
Kobe will come back just to try to eclipe MJ's point total thinking that puts him in the conversation with Jordan
 
2013-04-16 11:17:31 AM  

rickythepenguin: he may be only, what, 36 (which in basketball, is OLLLLLLLLLLLLLLD) but, if you count all of his playoff games, Olympic / international games, he's got a ton of miles on his body.  he isn't Jason Kidd 38 or whatever, that might have missed the playoffs on some teams.  he's played a shiatload of "extra" games against elite talent so his "17 NBA seasons" or whatever it is, is misleading.


His ego will force him to continue playing for another few years at least.   And as long as there are NBA owners who see a marketing opportunity (read: ticket and jersey sales), Kobe will always be able to play in the NBA.
 
2013-04-16 11:19:33 AM  

MugzyBrown: Kobe will come back just to try to eclipe MJ's point total thinking that puts him in the conversation with Jordan



23:  32,292
8/24: 31,617

Hmmm.....700 points.....let's say post-recovery Kobe "only" averages 25 a game.  that's 28 games.
 
2013-04-16 11:33:05 AM  
Worst case, he retires and spends the rest of his life sitting on his huge pile of money.

Yeah, we should all be screwed like that.
 
2013-04-16 11:33:11 AM  

jayhawk88: SuperChuck: They should dump Dwight too and start fresh. Remember the mid-90s Lakers before Shaq? That's coming.

It's probably the smart play, because for all we know Howard is 2 or 3 years away from being Tyson Chandler, but if they don't sign Howard it's not like they have a whole lot of other options. Could they convince Chris Paul to change jerseys? Is Josh Smith going to excite anyone in LA?

If they throw away a year, then what? Hope for LeBron? Carmelo? Both of them will be 30 by the time they could put on an LA jersey.

Howard is probably their best option.


Lebron isn't joining the Lakers if he goes to LA.  If he wins the next two seasons in Miami I don't see why he would stay outside of creating a "dynasty", but Wade would be a lot older then and not nearly as great a side kick.  He and Bosh should leave together and join another team and continue their run.  It would be hilarious on so many levels.
 
2013-04-16 11:37:00 AM  

moistD: He and Bosh should leave together and join another team and continue their run.  It would be hilarious on so many levels.


It would really be an entirely new definition of dominance - go to any team and win a title for 'em.

/but one of 'em should really be Cleveland
 
2013-04-16 11:44:55 AM  

IAmRight: moistD: He and Bosh should leave together and join another team and continue their run.  It would be hilarious on so many levels.

It would really be an entirely new definition of dominance - go to any team and win a title for 'em.

/but one of 'em should really be Cleveland


I would love to see him with Kyrie, LOVE IT.  It would be really cool to just make it a traveling dynasty, no one has done that before.  He would  have to go to teams where he has a close friend so they could play at a high level right away.  Even thought their first year in Miami they didn't win it all, they still played REALLY well together considering they didn't really know what to do yet.  And by really well together I mean they made it to the finals.  Now that they know how to play with each other its amazing to watch.

At this point in his career though I feel like Lebron would mesh and dominate on any team and the rest just have to fall in.  Would be interesting to see how he would do with a ball heavy PG like Kyrie or CP3.  They are conductors of the offense like Lebron...
 
2013-04-16 11:47:18 AM  

farbekrieg: well.... who is your favorite high functioning sociopath?


Mitt Romney.
 
2013-04-16 11:51:17 AM  
i306.photobucket.com

Aw hell no!
 
2013-04-16 11:51:40 AM  

rickythepenguin: 23:  32,292
8/24: 31,617

Hmmm.....700 points.....let's say post-recovery Kobe "only" averages 25 a game.  that's 28 games.


25 points a game is good for 6th in the league.  He'd have to come back at close to 100% to see 25 a game.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:15 AM  
I dunno if "screwed" is the right word...Kobe has already played more games than most other players in history, so his longevity as a player is already fairly fortunate. If his career ended today he'd be a shoo-in for first ballot Hall of Fame. Anything else that happens is icing on an already impressive cake.
 
2013-04-16 12:21:55 PM  

ShadezofDis: 25 points a game is good for 6th in the league. He'd have to come back at close to 100% to see 25 a game.


i only plucked that out of the air after hearing he dropped what, 46 on someone just last week?

and then even if he only gets 20, that still is maybe abuot half a season.  doable, my point.  but i don't know how effective he will be.  the funny thing about Achilles injuries is that you are never the same. and given the jumping, starting/stopping basketball requires, that might be the worst sport in which to suffer this injury.
 
2013-04-16 12:27:48 PM  
Meanwhile, David Stern saw Kobe getting hurt and growled "GET ME REWRITE!"
 
2013-04-16 12:42:08 PM  

buckeyebrain: Meanwhile, David Stern saw Kobe getting hurt and growled "GET ME REWRITE!"


Does this mean Dolph Ziggler wins the NBA Championship earlier than planned?
 
2013-04-16 12:43:03 PM  

rickythepenguin: and then even if he only gets 20, that still is maybe abuot half a season.  doable, my point.  but i don't know how effective he will be.  the funny thing about Achilles injuries is that you are never the same. and given the jumping, starting/stopping basketball requires, that might be the worst sport in which to suffer this injury.


Well, for my part, I'm always a bit surprised at how hard it really is to score prolifically and consistently in the NBA.  Beating MJ's all time scoring mark is definitely doable if he comes back for a couple years but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it back at all.
 
2013-04-16 12:45:56 PM  

jayhawk88: SuperChuck: They should dump Dwight too and start fresh. Remember the mid-90s Lakers before Shaq? That's coming.

It's probably the smart play, because for all we know Howard is 2 or 3 years away from being Tyson Chandler, but if they don't sign Howard it's not like they have a whole lot of other options. Could they convince Chris Paul to change jerseys? Is Josh Smith going to excite anyone in LA?

If they throw away a year, then what? Hope for LeBron? Carmelo? Both of them will be 30 by the time they could put on an LA jersey.

Howard is probably their best option.


Why would he downgrade?  The Clippers are younger, better, and have good talent locked up, and they're in the same city with less expectations.
 
2013-04-16 12:50:35 PM  

ShadezofDis: Beating MJ's all time scoring mark is definitely doable if he comes back for a couple years but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it back at all.



Kobe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to proud to let it end his career the way it ended Chuck and Shaq's careers.  there's no way he doesn't come back.  ther'es just no way.

i haven't really read up on the "amnesty" provision so many are chirping about but i just cannot see the Lakers cutting him loose.  in Dr. Buss was still kicking, that would never happen, at least.  but the Laker brain trust, the legacy of Kobe, tere's no way he walks.  there's just no way they let him go.
 
2013-04-16 12:53:40 PM  

rickythepenguin: i haven't really read up on the "amnesty" provision so many are chirping about but i just cannot see the Lakers cutting him loose.  in Dr. Buss was still kicking, that would never happen, at least.  but the Laker brain trust, the legacy of Kobe, tere's no way he walks.  there's just no way they let him go.


His contract expires at the end of next year anyway. Why pay the tens of millions of dollars of luxury tax on his $30m contract for a guy who's unlikely to play at all?

He still gets paid, too. Just doesn't count against the cap. And they can offer him a contract when he comes back anyway.
 
2013-04-16 12:54:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: ShadezofDis: Beating MJ's all time scoring mark is definitely doable if he comes back for a couple years but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't make it back at all.


Kobe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to proud to let it end his career the way it ended Chuck and Shaq's careers.  there's no way he doesn't come back.  ther'es just no way.

i haven't really read up on the "amnesty" provision so many are chirping about but i just cannot see the Lakers cutting him loose.  in Dr. Buss was still kicking, that would never happen, at least.  but the Laker brain trust, the legacy of Kobe, tere's no way he walks.  there's just no way they let him go.


Fair enough, it's not something I find likely but if he can't rehab quickly or if he can't play at the same level or at least make a good contribution then he might not be able to make that mark.  He's damned close to it though, so should he make it back then it seems most likely he'll be able to eclipse MJ's mark.
 
2013-04-16 12:56:41 PM  

ShadezofDis: He's damned close to it though, so should he make it back then it seems most likely he'll be able to eclipse MJ's mark.


yeah, but when you're 700 away and you've already scored 32K points......that's like climbing Mount Everest, being 20 feet from the top, and saying, "yeah, I'm good.  let's get down."

/in light of yesterday, avoiding the "running 26.1 miles and quitting 100 yards from the finish" analogy.
 
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