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2013-04-16 01:45:25 AM  
I just bought a PS3 at a pawn shop for $100 while I was trying to buy a bike. I'm mostly a PC gamer but it's really excellent. I really appreciate I don't have to pay to use its online support, unlike my short time with a 360 which was unimpressive to say the least.

It's a great little system and I can buy games off ebay for like 10 bucks.

Why do people buy things when they are new and cost $700 and don't work right again? I mean, do they think that impresses anyone? It just signals you as an idiot.
 
2013-04-16 02:00:29 AM  
I didn't click the article, but am guessing it's a combo between the Blu Ray player, and the price finally dropping from its absurd beginnings.
 
2013-04-16 06:24:51 AM  

Confabulat: I just bought a PS3 at a pawn shop for $100 while I was trying to buy a bike. I'm mostly a PC gamer but it's really excellent. I really appreciate I don't have to pay to use its online support, unlike my short time with a 360 which was unimpressive to say the least.

It's a great little system and I can buy games off ebay for like 10 bucks.


ha I sound like a shill.

Well hell for $100 it's not too shabby. Blu-Ray player too? Never thought to use it for that.

/give me money Sony or the pawn shop
 
2013-04-16 06:37:15 AM  
Will Sony ever answer for taking away downmixing SACD to play over coax?
How is SACD going to catch on now?
 
2013-04-16 07:18:52 AM  
I prefer my 360, but he brings up a lot of valid points.

Overall, I'd say it's a coin toss.  I'd sell the PS3 before my 360, but the PS3 has some pretty sweet exclusives.  It's a nice system and has come a long way.

I just hate having to install a game every time I pop it in the machine.  Went to a friend's place and decided to download Battle Block Theatre on the 360.  While it was downloading, I suggested we pop in Marvel Vs Capcom 3 in the PS3 and have a few rounds.  By the time Marvel Vs Campcom 3 had finished installing, we were already playing Battle Block Theatre :-\

Guess I'll have to get used to it though -- sounds like that might be the case for both systems next gen?
 
2013-04-16 07:28:42 AM  
Sigh.....

boring article is boring....

Basically reads, Sony wins console war, because people bought it, after MS turned their attention to the 720.

Calling Gran Turismo 5 sensational, though just points out the fanboy credentials of the author...

I bought it second hand the other month..i've played it precisely 3 times....and it's just not a good game.
 
2013-04-16 07:28:50 AM  
I dont think it did at all. I mean I love the hardware, and am glad I bought it and have no interest in an xbox, but this gen saw ps go from dominant brand to chasing the xbox. That's a big failure, mostly because it launched too late and the online system is flatly not as good.
 
2013-04-16 07:31:00 AM  
moel:

Calling Gran Turismo 5 sensational, though just points out the fanboy credentials of the author...

I bought it second hand the other month..i've played it precisely 3 times....and it's just not a good game.


Cant see that, I think it is the best driving game I have ever played and I have played so very very many. It is just so deep and the driving model is perfection. The constantly added new race series is a big bonus.

(Grand Prix Legends and Indycar Racing are the best RACING games ever)

(The original colin mcrae rally is the most fun car game ever)
 
2013-04-16 07:33:18 AM  
I used to love the 360 but with each dashboard update my experiance would get worse. It is laggy and playing games gets hidden under adds that show up even though I pay for live.
 
2013-04-16 07:38:36 AM  

Confabulat: I just bought a PS3 at a pawn shop for $100 while I was trying to buy a bike. I'm mostly a PC gamer but it's really excellent. I really appreciate I don't have to pay to use its online support, unlike my short time with a 360 which was unimpressive to say the least.

It's a great little system and I can buy games off ebay for like 10 bucks.

Why do people buy things when they are new and cost $700 and don't work right again? I mean, do they think that impresses anyone? It just signals you as an idiot.


You are the greatest hero in history. Everyone else sucks.
 
2013-04-16 07:40:15 AM  
Huh.  Funny way to spell Wii, I think that guy should check his spell checker.   By every definable metric (cost per unit, profit per unit, units shipped, ROI, et al) that matters to these companies (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft) the winner of the last console generation was one of these three:

Nintendo Wii
Nintendo DS/3DS
Sony Playstation 2 (yes, seriously).

Between those three the other two (360 & PS3) were just curb stomped.   Yes, the prior generation of Playstation stomped on it's 'successor' and I strongly suspect it'll get a few licks in against the PS4 and '720' as well before it finally goes down.
 
2013-04-16 07:40:24 AM  
It's stupid to have to pay for Xbox live gold to use Hulu Plus. My kids use the 360 for Minecraft and Netflix. Other than that, it's a brick.
 
2013-04-16 07:47:40 AM  
I'm not sure I agree with that  article.  Good point being that anyone who has used the PSN since launch can tell that it's on level with XBox live?  I only got a PlayStation 3 six months ago but have had a Xbox 360 forever and I like the Live service better, mostly because of Parties.   If the PSN would let me group with my friends with an uninterrupted chat where we can go from game to game maintaining a single group for voice chat as well as game invites then I'd say yes. Sadly PSN lacks this feature.   Otherwise, sure why not- I like the Amazon video player on PS3 more, they both seem to have comparable storefronts and in-game chat and such so I guess it's kind of the same but when dealing exclusively with the ability to interact with friends the PSN just doesn't do it for me.
 
2013-04-16 07:48:08 AM  
Booya grandma. Booya...
 
2013-04-16 07:49:09 AM  

Vaneshi: Huh.  Funny way to spell Wii, I think that guy should check his spell checker.   By every definable metric (cost per unit, profit per unit, units shipped, ROI, et al) that matters to these companies (Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft) the winner of the last console generation was one of these three:

Nintendo Wii
Nintendo DS/3DS
Sony Playstation 2 (yes, seriously).

Between those three the other two (360 & PS3) were just curb stomped.   Yes, the prior generation of Playstation stomped on it's 'successor' and I strongly suspect it'll get a few licks in against the PS4 and '720' as well before it finally goes down.


THIS. The article should have been titled why "I" think the PS3 won the last gen.

If I were running in a race, finished strong, but came in dead last, I really doubt I would be handed a gold medal...
 
2013-04-16 07:49:33 AM  
Weird how TFA doesn't mention that Sony completely dominates the competition in terms of exclusive games.  At this point the only exclusives the X-Box is getting are shovelware Kinect games and anything Halo related.
 
2013-04-16 07:54:03 AM  

Confabulat: I just bought a PS3 at a pawn shop for $100 while I was trying to buy a bike. I'm mostly a PC gamer but it's really excellent. I really appreciate I don't have to pay to use its online support, unlike my short time with a 360 which was unimpressive to say the least.


You don't need to pay for online support from Xbox, that has never been the case, you have to pay if you want to play online multiplayer or watch You Tube, Netflix, etc. You can download games, updates, DLC, voice chat, message friends and use many of the other features of Xbox with the free silver membership. Never understood why so many people don't understand this.

Xbox gold only costs $50 a year, you're paying that much for Total Fark and it's not a stretch to say that Xbox offers 100 times more services and value with a gold membership than you could ever get from TF.

Why do people buy things when they are new and cost $700 and don't work right again? I mean, do they think that impresses anyone? It just signals you as an idiot.

Not sure what you mean by "don't work right again".
 
2013-04-16 07:57:47 AM  
And by 'won' they mean...

Oh, okay, by ignoring the way that the Wii kicked the ever loving shiat out of it...
 
2013-04-16 07:59:37 AM  

Valacirca: Weird how TFA doesn't mention that Sony completely dominates the competition in terms of exclusive games. At this point the only exclusives the X-Box is getting are shovelware Kinect games and anything Halo related


Xbox does alright on exclusives.  The PS3 gets GT series, we get Forza.  I prefer Forza but both are very strong racing franchises.

Xbox has Halo, which I personally hate but I will acknowledge it really is the reason consoles have such a strong FPS scene these days - it pretty much started that whole thing.   I'm not sure what shooter is PS3 deal.... Killzone?  I dunno, I don't do shooters on consoles.

PS3 gets LBP  which is AMAZING and to the best of my knowledge  Xbox has nothing close platformer wise.

Xbox got The big mechs games covered with Chrome Hounds and that Steel Battalions thing

Then a bunch of shiat I don't care about like  Gears of War, the Fable sequels, some of the recent Dead or Alive games...

Both systems have some good exclusives, some really shiat exclusives and a bunch that nobody cares about- the all platform release stuff is generally so similar there's not much to speak of in differences between consoles.  This seems to me a matter of personal preference that really doesn't  objectively define superiority of one over the other.
 
2013-04-16 08:00:05 AM  
For anyone too busy to click, it's just some guy's opinion on why PS3 is better - a glorified comment post rather than some new argument.

I love my PS3 because it has some great exclusive games (Uncharted 2, God of War 3, LBP2, etc). But I also have a mid-range PC hooked up to my TV. That gets way more of my play time, and it cost me less to build than a PS3 launch system.
 
2013-04-16 08:06:41 AM  
ReapTheChaos:

Not sure what you mean by "don't work right again".

Probably the yellow light of death.  Which was probably for similar reasons to the RRoD on the 360:  PowerPC eats energy and craps heat with gay abandon, given half a chance it will happily melt its own solder and escape.   There were also some oddities with the BR drives optics going wonky early on as well if I remember.

It wasn't as common as the RRoD but the first gen PS3's were somewhat known for going a bit flakey.
 
2013-04-16 08:08:47 AM  

khhsdude: I used to love the 360 but with each dashboard update my experiance would get worse. It is laggy and playing games gets hidden under adds that show up even though I pay for live.


Ads don't just "show up", they live in the same little window all the time. Just don't cursor over it.

Just use the pin or recent menu if it's truly ruining your experience.
 
2013-04-16 08:09:33 AM  
First of all, I give this a Joe Swanson "Ha".
No, PS3 lost years ago. The "who won" debate is closed. It's on to the next gen right now.

Secondly, this: "Today, there really is no difference between the two online services, except you have to pay for Xbox Live, and anyone who says otherwise is living in a fanboy-dreamland. "
...is a load of crap. There is no difference? Well for one, XBL did not get hacked and have 2 million people's credit card and personal info handed over to hackers. Secondly, XBL doesn't go down. Ever. Whereas I can think of several instances in the past few years of large outages of PSN.
It costs $10 bucks a month, but it all comes down to: you get what you pay for.

Better controller. By a million miles. Better games, better architecture. Games for PS3 are ports from the 360. I'm not denying the fact that the PS3 is better on paper, but no one liked coding for it, so that affected them.
The 360 is more widely used in pop culture. The "achievement unlocked" meme, isn't the "new trophy" meme.
 
2013-04-16 08:11:30 AM  
Meant to add: The PS4 looks ok so far, although they announced it, and then retracted saying "well it depends what Microsoft does, we might change it all".
Nonetheless, if the nextbox is always on, I'll be going PS4.
 
2013-04-16 08:20:27 AM  

sure haven't: PS3 is better on paper,


The two are neck and neck IMHO right up until you get to PS3's hardcoded 50/50 split on it's RAM pool and the hypervisor slaps you silly whilst locking down the GPU.

Ignoring the hypervisor issue (which is why they were busy trying to jailbreak the damn thing in the first place) it's that forced RAM split that basically turned the PS3 in to something that couldn't compete against even the PS2.  The second it starts trying to strut its stuff it runs headlong in to a brick wall and suffers RAM starvation (either of the CPU or GPU depending on the type of strut your attempting). 

Which is really typical of Sony and they've been like that for 20 odd years as a company.  On paper device X (PS3, Minidisc, etc.) should be a total god hammer until you come to the deliberate and obvious gimping that hamstrings the whole device.
 
2013-04-16 08:22:21 AM  
Is this Fark or IGN's comment section?
 
2013-04-16 08:23:06 AM  
If by won you mean "made far less money and ended up with a very small percentage of market share and customer loyalty", then yes, they certainly won.

If you were to use any real metric... Sony lost their empire.
 
2013-04-16 08:26:53 AM  
Did I just read a Sony press-release?
 
2013-04-16 08:30:40 AM  
If it takes you 7 years to be able to match your competition, you didn't win shiat.  Particularly if by that time your main competition is either about to, or already has, released it's next product for you to try to compete with.
 
2013-04-16 08:33:06 AM  
I own a PS3 because I wanted to rip my SACD collection.

It's hot. It's louder than any computer in my house (granted that I went to extraordinary lengths to make sure my systems are quiet, but still).  I tried a few games with it and in the couple of cases where I was able to do some kind of head to head comparison with a PC title, Dragon Age: Origins and Fallout 3, there wasn't anything about the console experience that made up for the poor graphics and crummy control options.

Given how under-spec next generation consoles are going to be, at least we'll be able to look forward to a time in the very near future when a $300 Walmart PC with a $75 graphics card will be able to outperform the PS4 and Xbox 720.
 
2013-04-16 08:33:44 AM  
The free PSN is nowhere near as good as XBL Gold not be a mile.

Exclusives are a wash IMO it depends on your tastes

PS3
Drakes fortune - 1 out of 3 games is worth buying a PS3 for the other two are fun but not exactly must haves and the recent Tomb Raider reboot stomped the shiat out of Drakes Fortune

Heavy Rain -  OK it was fun but not amazing

LBP - Both amazing games and worth a console purchase

MGS4 - if you like MGS then this game is worth owning but it doesn't hold a candle to MGS3

Valkyria Chronicles - buy this game, buy this game and play it.

Gran Tourismo - more than covered by Forza

Probably more but that covers the main points..

Xbox

Halo - Halo 3 was crap but brought so much to the table that we take for granted now, ODST was an abomination Reach was fantastic and 4 was pretty good

Minecraft - not as good as the PC version but they are regularly updating it and it's still a ton of fun

Gears of War - A solid third person gore fest if there ever was one the most recent installment is a blatant cash grab and I haven't played it but I hear it's more of the same

Forza - I'm not much for racing games but I have nothing bad to say about this series they are well built race sims and Horizon is a more casual racing game for the less skilled racers.

Fable -  Not really all that Great IMO but not total wastes of time

Terraria - great little game, the controls are clunky on XB and I'm not sure if it's limited like minecraft is I haven't played it enough on the PC or the Xbox to know.
 
2013-04-16 08:53:43 AM  
Because the PS3 is so hard to program that it tooks years before any good games for it came out.
 
2013-04-16 08:53:56 AM  
There are different "win" states for consoles.

Financially?  It's Nintendo by a country mile.
Socially?  Microsoft won with Xbox Live.  I hated paying for it too, and canceled it without regret, but the online experience was definitely better than any of the others.
Gameplay?  Purely subjective opinion, but I enjoyed the Wii more than the 360 (didn't own a PS3)
 
2013-04-16 08:59:46 AM  

gaspode: (Grand Prix Legends and Indycar Racing are the best RACING games ever)


You must share with me your tips on keeping the young whippersnappers off your lawn because I need them. I can still hear "I'm Paul Page and this is Indycar Racing". Indianapolis 500 was a breakthrough for its time as well. But GPL was TOUGH. I think someone should do a modified 1976 version of it in support of the movie about Nikki Lauda and James Hunt.
 
2013-04-16 09:06:04 AM  
Confabulat:

Well hell for $100 it's not too shabby. Blu-Ray player too? Never thought to use it for that.

I don't know if it's still true today, but when it was first released, most reviewers claimed that the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player was the best available.
 
2013-04-16 09:07:04 AM  
I've always been a rabid XBox supported. However, I now prefer Playstation due to their PSPlus. I'm a casual gamer, so getting 1-2 "free" games a week (even old games) is an absolutely killer deal for me.
Obviously, not everyone fits into this category.
 
2013-04-16 09:09:11 AM  
GavinTheAlmighty:
Gameplay?  Purely subjective opinion, but I enjoyed the Wii more than the 360 (didn't own a PS3)

I'd argue the DS fits here better than the Wii.  Hell on more than one TGS podcast video you can clearly see 'Dodger' playing her DS as she waits for her turn to do the "What you've been playing this week" segment.  That's not something the Wii really allows for.    Although curiously she never actually mentions what she is playing on the device... but it's clearly a DS/3DS device.
 
2013-04-16 09:19:53 AM  

gaspode: I dont think it did at all. I mean I love the hardware, and am glad I bought it and have no interest in an xbox, but this gen saw ps go from dominant brand to chasing the xbox. That's a big failure, mostly because it launched too late and the online system is flatly not as good.


This.

"Winning" this generation?  Maybe.

However, pissing away their lead and let Microsoft get a huge chunk of the market though is a big FAIL.
 
2013-04-16 09:27:55 AM  
Wii and DS both sold more.

Even if you ignore the DS because it's a handheld (still BS), the insistence on ignoring Nintendo is some pretty egregious BS, especially when the PS2 was very much weaker than both the GC and the Xbox.
 
2013-04-16 09:35:15 AM  

WhippingBoy: I now prefer Playstation due to their PSPlus. I'm a casual gamer, so getting 1-2 "free" games a week (even old games) is an absolutely killer deal for me.
Obviously, not everyone fits into this category.


I'm with ya on PS+.  I still spend more time on my PC than either xbox or PS3, but seeing people talking about LBP2, getting interested, going on there and seeing it on the list of free games, yeah.  That's a cool feeling.
 
2013-04-16 09:39:09 AM  

sure haven't: First of all, I give this a Joe Swanson "Ha".
No, PS3 lost years ago. The "who won" debate is closed. It's on to the next gen right now.

Secondly, this: "Today, there really is no difference between the two online services, except you have to pay for Xbox Live, and anyone who says otherwise is living in a fanboy-dreamland. "
...is a load of crap. There is no difference? Well for one, XBL did not get hacked and have 2 million people's credit card and personal info handed over to hackers. Secondly, XBL doesn't go down. Ever. Whereas I can think of several instances in the past few years of large outages of PSN.
It costs $10 bucks a month, but it all comes down to: you get what you pay for.

Better controller. By a million miles. Better games, better architecture. Games for PS3 are ports from the 360. I'm not denying the fact that the PS3 is better on paper, but no one liked coding for it, so that affected them.
The 360 is more widely used in pop culture. The "achievement unlocked" meme, isn't the "new trophy" meme.


Speaking to your comment about how XBL never goes offline, that isn't exactly true. There have been several instances of outage. One just this weekend, in fact.

I also seem to recall a couple years ago in which it was out long enough for them to hand out a month free for everyone.

/still MUCH faster, user friendly, and reliable than PS3. You get what you pay for.
//have and use both
 
2013-04-16 09:40:51 AM  
PS3 lost this gen soundly.  Anyone that says otherwise is an unabashed fanboy of Sony.  Period.

I had all three consoles.  The Wii was fun for about a week.  Then, as a "hardcore gamer" it offered me zero reasons to turn it on.
the PS3 was a great media player with a handful of games that were in fact stellar, but Sony just dropped the ball with online features, Home, and unrealized promise.  The games on PS3 should be nothing short of amazing, and there are a few very nice examples, but there just are not enough to make the console truly worthwhile.  The Xbox 360 is the honest king this gen, with great online features, a MUCH better controller than any of its competitors, a truly innovative peripheral with Kinect (atho granted no one is DOING much with it) and is the all-around best choice for gaming if you can only have ONE of the consoles.  You can argue otherwise, and I will not argue that the PS3 DID do well eventually, but RIGHT NOW if you are buying a console the 360 is your best bet.

The Wii U is turning out to be a non issue and the next-gen consoles, even if they launch this year, are at least 2 years away from being great (launch games usually suck and for a while I will guarantee you that the games won't be anything that you couldn't get on current gen hardware).
.
Of course none of this matters much to me since I am a PC gamer first and foremost.
 
2013-04-16 09:44:49 AM  
All I know is the 360's controller is definitely the preferred controller among not of the people I know. It just seems like its laid mout better and feels m ore natural in my hands.
 
2013-04-16 09:48:31 AM  
I just got a PS3 last week, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

While I got a PS2 as soon as I could, I had no problem waiting until now for the PS3. I mainly got it because a friend of mine picked one up recently and we've started playing Borderlands co-op. That's a lot of fun, and I love that I now have a huge backlog of games I can get for cheap. But before now, my attitude was always "it's nice but not neccessary." I had plenty of other consoles and my PC, so I was set for games. I didn't even need it for co-op, as my friend had several other games we'd been playing on PC.

I guess I'm at that point where I like a console to prove itself before I buy it. I used to be all about getting a system at launch, but I'm older and wiser and have plenty of options these days. I am not eagerly anticipating the next slate of consoles, so I'm happy to give them a few years to prove themselves and perhaps I'll pick one up later. Until then, I've got a PS3 library to catch up on and a Steam backlog to get through.
 
2013-04-16 09:50:33 AM  
So, I started out this console generation with a PS3. I knew someone that was selling one of the original 60 GB versions for nearly half the price it was new, so I bought it from them. Especially since I was a big fan of the PS2 and its selection of RPGs.
Fun times at first, but I eventually got a 360 (Mainly for Tales of Vesperia). All of my other friends had the 360, so that's where I continued to buy games.

It ended up that the PS3 and the Wii were the systems that I bought exclusive games for, while anything multiplatform, I got on the 360.
Of course, in recent years, I've actually shifted to buying more games on PC instead...

Long story short, my PS3 pretty much just sits there until something else exclusive that I want to play comes along.
 
2013-04-16 10:00:32 AM  
As far as I'm concerned they all lost. Between Sony's continued vicious abuse of its customers and crappy PSN setup and Microsoft's RROD problems and the Wii just being a PoS in general if you're older than seven I see little reason to buy any of the next-gen consoles based on the performance of the last one.

Toss in the fact that most software developers seem to be going the "fark the legit customers in the ass with whatever bullshiat DRM we can cram around what we're calling a game" route and I think I'll just stick with indie games and stuff off of GoG from now on.

There's enough great games from prior generations that I have yet to play that I don't really feel the need to subject myself or my wallet to the sort of abuse that is becoming common in the current and future generations.
 
2013-04-16 10:02:21 AM  
I think the biggest difference is that in the last 2 years, PC gaming started to supplant some console gaming, as it always tends to towards the end of a console cycle.  Xbox 360 games seem to port particularly easily but PS3 games don't.  So if you wanted to have a full gaming experience you could get either a gaming PC or a 360, and a PS3, and you're basically covered.
 
2013-04-16 10:12:10 AM  

Valacirca: Weird how TFA doesn't mention that Sony completely dominates the competition in terms of exclusive games.  At this point the only exclusives the X-Box is getting are shovelware Kinect games and anything Halo related.


Why does most console war fights come down to someone saying Sony has more exclusive games.  Why is that even relevant?  Who cares if one console has more games built only for it?  I see that line all the time and it just doesn't make any sense to me.
 
2013-04-16 10:17:17 AM  

TNel: Valacirca: Weird how TFA doesn't mention that Sony completely dominates the competition in terms of exclusive games.  At this point the only exclusives the X-Box is getting are shovelware Kinect games and anything Halo related.

Why does most console war fights come down to someone saying Sony has more exclusive games.  Why is that even relevant?  Who cares if one console has more games built only for it?  I see that line all the time and it just doesn't make any sense to me.


You know I tried three time to write a response to this and had to delete the whole thing. It's like trying to describe the color blue. The answer is so obvious I have no way how to put it into words.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:12 AM  

TNel: Why does most console war fights come down to someone saying Sony has more exclusive games.  Why is that even relevant?  Who cares if one console has more games built only for it?  I see that line all the time and it just doesn't make any sense to me.


This is my take on it.  Say you're deciding to purchase a console, and are going to buy either a 360 or PS3.  All other things being equal, going with the option that has more games makes the most sense.

Now, all other things wont ever be equal(controller design, online services, etc.), but I imagine the exclusive market is still a deciding factor for a lot of people.

/owns both
 
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