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(Examiner)   "Metallectuals" (heavy metal scholars) attend international academic conference, discuss everything from classic T-shirts to "differences between inhaled and exhaled screams" to speed metal bands who secretly use computers to fake superfast drumming   (examiner.com ) divider line 61
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2013-04-15 07:50:31 PM  
I wonder if there's any schools that offer  MASTERS! MASTERS! degrees.
 
2013-04-15 08:10:39 PM  
Why would you 'secretly' use a computer in this day and age?
 
2013-04-15 08:15:32 PM  
Metallec-

the-evan.com
 
2013-04-15 08:20:51 PM  
metal bands who secretly use computers to fake superfast drumming

Lolrich.
 
2013-04-15 08:26:11 PM  

MFAWG: Why would you 'secretly' use a computer in this day and age?


Right. They are going to spend 8 months nitpicking ever second of every track with ProTools and massage any kind of individuality and expressiveness out of the tracks anyway.
 
2013-04-15 08:30:05 PM  

neongoats: MFAWG: Why would you 'secretly' use a computer in this day and age?

Right. They are going to spend 8 months nitpicking ever second of every track with ProTools and massage any kind of individuality and expressiveness out of the tracks anyway.


And then master all the dynamic range out of it while they are at it.
 
2013-04-15 08:32:29 PM  

drewogatory: neongoats: MFAWG: Why would you 'secretly' use a computer in this day and age?

Right. They are going to spend 8 months nitpicking ever second of every track with ProTools and massage any kind of individuality and expressiveness out of the tracks anyway.

And then master all the dynamic range out of it while they are at it.


But hey, it will sounds ok on tiny earbuds and bose speakers.
 
2013-04-15 08:37:34 PM  
Man these metal drummers have really gone insane in the past 15 years or so. I used to think I was a pretty good drummer but these guys just kept geting crazier and crazier. Now i'm positive I suck.

/Anyways, I need a new Watchtower album. And Spiral Architect since I'm being greedy.
 
2013-04-15 08:55:21 PM  
This thread needs some Patton

love-it-loud.com
 
2013-04-15 08:56:04 PM  
Jump the Shark moment.
 
2013-04-15 09:02:03 PM  

Bslim: Jump the Shark moment.


You can keep listening to what's trendy, I'll keep listening to what I like.
 
2013-04-15 09:11:40 PM  
this link is most defiantly relevant to this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_LkAAzCQrQ

mtvhive.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-04-15 09:29:31 PM  
 
2013-04-15 09:33:08 PM  
When anyone talks about the great intellectual depth of American higher education I will use this as the example as to why they are wrong.

This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.
 
2013-04-15 09:56:27 PM  

douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.


So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?
 
2013-04-15 10:07:25 PM  
Clearly this thread should be used to discuss what our favorite metal bands are.

Orphaned Land, Iced Earth, Nightwish, Symphony X, Opeth, Dream Theater, Glass Cloud, Epica
 
2013-04-15 10:34:43 PM  
So I guess crystal meth is OUT and computers are IN.

My have times changed....
 
2013-04-15 10:47:24 PM  
This thread really needs some

www.deathmetal.org
 
2013-04-15 10:53:07 PM  
When I used to gig in a band I always enjoyed playing in Bowling Green.  They had a metal/rock club called Howard's Club H that had the loudest and oldest PA I've ever played on.
 
2013-04-15 10:56:53 PM  
Metal would be nothing without this guy

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-15 11:29:21 PM  
Heavy metal is what you listen to when you're 13 - 17 years old.
 
2013-04-15 11:32:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.

So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?


Yeah there is and heavy metal - as well as rock in general - is a good place to stop.
 
2013-04-15 11:36:09 PM  

douchebag/hater: WhyteRaven74: douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.

So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?

Yeah there is and heavy metal - as well as rock in general - is a good place to stop.


Why?  Because it's popular?  What about musicals?  jazz? opera? Lots of so called "classical" music was popular at some point in the past.   Should schools only be teaching the avant garde experimental stuff that almost no one listens to?

What about visual art?  Should we ban studying the Mona Lisa?  Andy Warhol?
 
2013-04-15 11:47:29 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Heavy metal is what you listen to when you're 13 - 17 years old.


Oh it is ON now! No wait, you're right. I've wasted my life (sob)
 
2013-04-15 11:51:08 PM  

12349876: douchebag/hater: WhyteRaven74: douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.

So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?

Yeah there is and heavy metal - as well as rock in general - is a good place to stop.

Why?  Because it's popular?  What about musicals?  jazz? opera? Lots of so called "classical" music was popular at some point in the past.   Should schools only be teaching the avant garde experimental stuff that almost no one listens to?

What about visual art?  Should we ban studying the Mona Lisa?  Andy Warhol?


A lot of metal musicians have degrees from fairly prestigious colleges. Dream Theater were all at Berklee before they decided to become a band and do their thing.

/Just sayin'
 
2013-04-16 12:02:28 AM  

MFAWG: Why would you 'secretly' use a computer in this day and age?


Computers use electricity. Electricity - God's invention to impress the weak,  Everyone who uses electricity in metal will spend eternity in deepest purples of heaven.
/Hail Satan
 
2013-04-16 12:35:34 AM  

Ringshadow: Clearly this thread should be used to discuss what our favorite metal bands are.

Orphaned Land, Iced Earth, Nightwish, Symphony X, Opeth, Dream Theater, Glass Cloud, Epica


Nothing else needs to be said.

/except Sonata Arctica, Blind Guardian, Edguy, and Elvenking
 
2013-04-16 01:02:11 AM  

douchebag/hater: WhyteRaven74: douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.

So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?

Yeah there is and heavy metal - as well as rock in general - is a good place to stop.


9/10
 
2013-04-16 01:23:13 AM  
THEY.. WILL TEACH YOU... TO... ROCK
 
2013-04-16 01:39:59 AM  
"Those that have taken such an interest in the study of Heavy Metal music are primarily "Baby boomers" who grew up listening to the guitar shredding and screaming sounds of Metallica, Twisted Sister, and the like."

Someone seriously needs to re-investigate which generation is associated with what music.

/Grew up with Metallica, Twisted Sister and the like
//Gen-X
 
2013-04-16 01:43:54 AM  
carpal tunnel acrobatics and pentatonic abuse. rhapsodizing about the vagaries and standards of metaldom is one of the reasons its still innovatively relevant after 40 years of a supposedly beaten dead horse.

Grey beards are now considered respected elder riffsmen whomve weathered the flitting attention spans of various era generated trends. what starts as adolescent rebels without cause is now a worldwide underground movement that eschews difference in age, ethnicity, class and national borders and brings these people together to dissect, study, experience, analyze and celebrate the ritualization of riff and rhythm.

witness authoritarian refusals worldwide soundtrack in a million different iterations.
 
2013-04-16 01:51:16 AM  
I am shocked that Squat Thrusts in a Cucumber Patch hasn't posted here yet.
 
2013-04-16 01:51:42 AM  
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=EG4hc2Ltak8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D EG4hc2Ltak8farkit cant get html to work... this Withered, american black death doom fark yeah
 
2013-04-16 02:02:27 AM  
The only metal lesson I need was the lesson in BLACK METAL \m/ \m/ was done by the dude from Darkthrone on the DVD supplements to Until the Light Takes Us. The dude is all black metal-ed out and everything, but in a college lecture hall, going about his business. Love it.

That documentary wasn't bad by the way. I prefer the book Lords of Chaos though.
 
2013-04-16 03:25:28 AM  
I would have loved this. I can't play a note but i do love metal so it's cool there are people who take it seriously. As to the musicians, I always enjoy knowing the back story. Like whatever was the real deal with that wild drummer guy from YouTube that was funny a few years back. I mean he obviously has issues. It would be cool to find out what they really are and HOW he came to be so awesome in spite of it being fairly obvious no one really understands him or why he does the things he does. I bet his boss is a real asshat and his wife probabl threw him out recently fir some stange reason. that would make his relatonshp with his kid difficult. He would probably have to miss her bat mitvah, birthday or some other inevitable event he has been waiting for that moment his entire life to see his daughter finally nail his favorate drum fill after waiting for that inevitable moment. His entire life. . and have someone like his best friend since high school skype her playing her own drums at the party they arentvallowed to go to cause they did somthing wrong and everyone can feel it in the air.Stuff like that. Maybe his boss is like his dad? Nice on the outside But a dick in his real life to the people closest to him. that chubby, middle aged, blue collar drummer is probably the kind of person who's only crime is being EXTRODINARY It would also be cool to see that dancing Mormon violin chick get eaten by zombies while playing on stage. But in a cool artistic way so the audience Believes its really great art they are seeing instead of a nerd girl pretending to play an IKEA table leg with a stick of blue neon instead of a bow hooked up to some holiday season type lights and a metric assload of floor switches from home depot spray painted in exotic colors with high tech sounding labels instead of a violin and a bow. As long as she LOOKS like a brilliant, high-tech musician the rich farkers in the audience will Believe it. And a 60 year old guitar player in a kilt. Those guys are always douchebags with somthing to hide.
I bet its possible to advertise somthing like that into a big bag of money.
 
2013-04-16 03:38:51 AM  

Watubi: "Those that have taken such an interest in the study of Heavy Metal music are primarily "Baby boomers" who grew up listening to the guitar shredding and screaming sounds of Metallica, Twisted Sister, and the like."

Someone seriously needs to re-investigate which generation is associated with what music.

/Grew up with Metallica, Twisted Sister and the like
//Gen-X




I think the author was just trying to point out the "irony" of the fact that these sorts of songs are now (like it or not) mainstream. And this is apparent because they are now desirable to the largest demographic that has the greatest amount of disposable income.

The kind of older people with fewer financial or child rearing responsibilities who's desire for nostalgia is exactly the same as every generation that came before them. But, unlike their parents and grandparents this generation need to feel they look cool while doing it.

Advertisers have been making gigantic bags of money from this unique phenomenon for decades.
 
2013-04-16 03:51:06 AM  

douchebag/hater: When anyone talks about the great intellectual depth of American higher education I will use this as the example as to why they are wrong.

This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.


It's probably nothing more than a marketing technique to sell air drum lessons to Baby Boomers. I cannot imagine the people who are actually able to understand the subtleties and absurd complexities of metal need to do it in a conference type setting.


Only the maids at the hotel are going to see the best show that weekend. The condition of the rooms after an old-fart Heavy Metal weekend. There are gonna be roaches from poorly rolled joints everywhere and the complementary coffee maker will be glued to the ceiling with Poligrip.

 
2013-04-16 05:10:01 AM  

Ringshadow: Clearly this thread should be used to discuss what our favorite metal bands are.

Orphaned Land, Iced Earth, Nightwish, Symphony X, Opeth, Dream Theater, Glass Cloud, Epica


Nightwish are good instrumentals, but not too keen on the singer/lyrics, Opeth is great, Epica is really good in places. Think I have some Dream Theater but it has never really pulled me in, and the rest I don't think I have heard so can't really comment.

Outside of that I would add the darker/non-cheesy Arjen Lucassen projects/bands (Stream of Passion and Guilt Machine, but not Ayreon or Star One), Sirenia, Anathema (middle period, more recent stuff is still great, but not metal really), and then dropping down to the still good stuff like Within Temptation, Omnium Gatherum, Children of Bodom, Ministry, Redemption, etc.
 
2013-04-16 05:35:08 AM  
I was at a conference called EPIC at the University of Liverpool last week.  One of the papers was about the meaning of 'abject' as it is used in some forms of heavy metal. Pretty interesting stuff.
 
2013-04-16 07:44:56 AM  
I think this is really cool. There are a lot of farkers who are seriously knowledgeable about this music genre, and I'm often blown away by the depth of intelligent (and of course, humorous) discussion about heavy metal bands and their music on here.
 
2013-04-16 07:47:19 AM  
Nightingale.
Blind Guardian.
Sentenced.

Thread over.
 
2013-04-16 08:16:00 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Heavy metal is what you listen to when you're 13 - 17 years old.


Kenny G is what you listen to when you're ZeroCorpse.
 
2013-04-16 08:27:21 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Heavy metal is what you listen to when you're 13 - 17 years old banging my mom.


FTFY
 
2013-04-16 08:37:44 AM  
There are some sun genres that are extremely technical, and I've heard it is like an extreme form of jazz, I mean there are a lot of bands that challenge themselves with odd and changing time signatures, speed, and it takes a very good understanding of music, theory, and skill to effectively play something like an eight string bass, even though you could say it keeps from hopping up and down the neck. I read that chuck schuldinger from Death said you could transfer a lot of there music to an orchestral setting
 
2013-04-16 08:57:30 AM  

vesalius: There are some sun genres that are extremely technical, and I've heard it is like an extreme form of jazz, I mean there are a lot of bands that challenge themselves with odd and changing time signatures, speed, and it takes a very good understanding of music, theory, and skill to effectively play something like an eight string bass, even though you could say it keeps from hopping up and down the neck. I read that chuck schuldinger from Death said you could transfer a lot of there music to an orchestral setting


That would likely be a result of the influence of Paganini, Holst, Wagner and the like on the genre.  Metal owes a lot to players and composers from centuries past.  In fact, in Metal Evolution it was said that Holst had a huge influence on Sabbath's style.

/was NOT a fan of metal in the 80s
//became HUGE fan of Maiden in my late 40s (Adrian & Nikko rule)
 
2013-04-16 09:34:51 AM  

Ringshadow: Clearly this thread should be used to discuss what our favorite metal bands are.

Orphaned Land, Iced Earth, Nightwish, Symphony X, Opeth, Dream Theater, Glass Cloud, Epica


Your news letter, I wish to subscribe to it.

/add in Blind Guardian and Dark Moor for me
 
2013-04-16 09:45:33 AM  

xria: Ringshadow: Clearly this thread should be used to discuss what our favorite metal bands are.

Orphaned Land, Iced Earth, Nightwish, Symphony X, Opeth, Dream Theater, Glass Cloud, Epica

Nightwish are good instrumentals, but not too keen on the singer/lyrics, Opeth is great, Epica is really good in places. Think I have some Dream Theater but it has never really pulled me in, and the rest I don't think I have heard so can't really comment.

Outside of that I would add the darker/non-cheesy Arjen Lucassen projects/bands (Stream of Passion and Guilt Machine, but not Ayreon or Star One), Sirenia, Anathema (middle period, more recent stuff is still great, but not metal really), and then dropping down to the still good stuff like Within Temptation, Omnium Gatherum, Children of Bodom, Ministry, Redemption, etc.


Are you listening to old Nightwish (Tarja) or newer stuff? If Tarja's operatic style was not your thing you might like the new singer.

/she was a biatch but insanely talented
//those two things often correlate
 
2013-04-16 10:17:42 AM  

Ringshadow: 12349876: douchebag/hater: WhyteRaven74: douchebag/hater: This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.

So there's music that music professors shouldn't study? REALLY?

Yeah there is and heavy metal - as well as rock in general - is a good place to stop.

Why?  Because it's popular?  What about musicals?  jazz? opera? Lots of so called "classical" music was popular at some point in the past.   Should schools only be teaching the avant garde experimental stuff that almost no one listens to?

What about visual art?  Should we ban studying the Mona Lisa?  Andy Warhol?

A lot of metal musicians have degrees from fairly prestigious colleges. Dream Theater were all at Berklee before they decided to become a band and do their thing.

/Just sayin'


"Berklee" != "Berkley"

Although impressive, it is just a music school.  Not a school with lots of kids from Asia.
 
2013-04-16 10:18:49 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: When I used to gig in a band I always enjoyed playing in Bowling Green.  They had a metal/rock club called Howard's Club H that had the loudest and oldest PA I've ever played on.


Howard's was the dive to end all dives. Loved going there, hell, Saw Clutch and Five Horse Johnson there. Great show, great venue because it's already trashed. Also saw Halfway to Gone.

/Lived in BG 8 years.
//Would go back in a heartbeart
 
2013-04-16 10:22:52 AM  

douchebag/hater: When anyone talks about the great intellectual depth of American higher education I will use this as the example as to why they are wrong.

This crap should be a hobby - not a course of study.


Studying this stuff is awesome, actually. BGSU has one of the best Pop Culture departments in the country. I tried for five years to take a Pop Culture class but could never get in. Did take a music class from a guy that was way too much into the '60s. I presented Alice in Chains for my final music project and since he didn't like them, I got a "B".

/1996
//Never forget
 
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