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(The Big Story)   Officials say cell service in downtown Boston shut off to prevent possible further explosions   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 60
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2013-04-15 05:12:10 PM  
And yet people are calling ESPN as I type this.
 
2013-04-15 05:12:37 PM  
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2013-04-15 05:13:23 PM  
That's what my daughter sad. She called on her office phone because her cell phone wasn't working.
 
2013-04-15 05:14:14 PM  
They don't have to stop outgoing calls, only incoming ones that ring phones.
 
2013-04-15 05:14:15 PM  
I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell
 
2013-04-15 05:18:12 PM  
That dude's leg looks messed up especially the way his foot is turned.
 
2013-04-15 05:19:08 PM  

UsikFark: I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell


apple devices aren't required for EXPLOSTIONS
someimtes oranges will do..
 
2013-04-15 05:20:20 PM  
More fuel for the tinfoil hat-wearing folk.
 
2013-04-15 05:20:30 PM  
So it wasn't just my shiatty cell phone service.
 
2013-04-15 05:22:21 PM  
Figured. When the Farker was saying he/she couldn't send text messages.

From what I understand, SMS works on a control channel. That means that as long as you can communicate with a cell site it should transmit and receive text messages. Some may be slow to do so but they should go through.

Failure to send/receive sounds like they turned them off because short of a natural disaster that severs the links, they should stay up.
 
2013-04-15 05:24:58 PM  
Mrbogey:

Failure to send/receive sounds like they turned them off because short of a natural disaster that severs the links, they should stay up.

They were using cell phones to trigger IEDs when I was in Iraq, which is why at least one truck in the platoon had a massive cell phone jammer mounted on it.
 
2013-04-15 05:26:33 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: UsikFark: I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell

apple devices aren't required for EXPLOSTIONS
someimtes oranges will do..

You may not use or otherwise export or re-export the iOS Software except
as authorized by United States law and the laws of the jurisdiction(s) in which the iOS Software
was obtained. In particular, but without limitation, the iOS Software may not be exported or reexported (a) into any U.S. embargoed countries or (b) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury
Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce
Denied Person's List or Entity List. By using the iOS Software, you represent and warrant that
you are not located in any such country or on any such list. You also agree that you will not use
the iOS Software for
any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation,
the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, nuclear, chemical or biological
weapons
.


Don't you dare!
 
2013-04-15 05:28:14 PM  
No.
www.parade.com
 
2013-04-15 05:31:52 PM  

UsikFark: Jon iz teh kewl: UsikFark: I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell

apple devices aren't required for EXPLOSTIONS
someimtes oranges will do..

You may not use or otherwise export or re-export the iOS Software except
as authorized by United States law and the laws of the jurisdiction(s) in which the iOS Software
was obtained. In particular, but without limitation, the iOS Software may not be exported or reexported (a) into any U.S. embargoed countries or (b) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury
Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce
Denied Person's List or Entity List. By using the iOS Software, you represent and warrant that
you are not located in any such country or on any such list. You also agree that you will not use
the iOS Software for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation,
the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, nuclear, chemical or biological
weapons.

Don't you dare!


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-04-15 05:35:39 PM  
This is why you should always go with a mechanical or chemical timer back up.
 
2013-04-15 05:39:11 PM  

Yoyo: This is why you should always go with a mechanical or chemical timer back up.


That reminds me, as I was reading the EULA for the mobile devices, I saw Apple is not responsible for loss of life through the use of its devices for timing functions.
 
2013-04-15 05:40:46 PM  
NBC news saying cell service not shut off, but increased traffic can bog down the system.
 
2013-04-15 05:41:28 PM  

UsikFark: Jon iz teh kewl: UsikFark: I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell

apple devices aren't required for EXPLOSTIONS
someimtes oranges will do..

You may not use or otherwise export or re-export the iOS Software except
as authorized by United States law and the laws of the jurisdiction(s) in which the iOS Software
was obtained. In particular, but without limitation, the iOS Software may not be exported or reexported (a) into any U.S. embargoed countries or (b) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury
Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce
Denied Person's List or Entity List. By using the iOS Software, you represent and warrant that
you are not located in any such country or on any such list. You also agree that you will not use
the iOS Software for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation,
the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, nuclear, chemical or biological
weapons.

Don't you dare!


I remember Java had some similar license on it.
 
2013-04-15 05:50:27 PM  
Authorities are saying officially that they did shut down cell service... but Fox news is reporting that they called various carriers, whom are saying that they didn't shut down service.

Scary to think that the gov't can potentially  override cell carriers and deny service.  I would think this only helps to increase panic in the crowd, when you can't even get text to people
 
2013-04-15 05:53:08 PM  

Corvus: UsikFark: Jon iz teh kewl: UsikFark: I guess they are turning off the TracFone cell service, no one would violate the EULA and use an Apple device...

/going to hell

apple devices aren't required for EXPLOSTIONS
someimtes oranges will do..

You may not use or otherwise export or re-export the iOS Software except
as authorized by United States law and the laws of the jurisdiction(s) in which the iOS Software
was obtained. In particular, but without limitation, the iOS Software may not be exported or reexported (a) into any U.S. embargoed countries or (b) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury
Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the U.S. Department of Commerce
Denied Person's List or Entity List. By using the iOS Software, you represent and warrant that
you are not located in any such country or on any such list. You also agree that you will not use
the iOS Software for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation,
the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, nuclear, chemical or biological
weapons.

Don't you dare!

I remember Java had some similar license on it.


I would assume all US-sold/produced software does, so NK can't call for tech support and the company can't be held liable for some guy using xcode to fark with us. For the record, I assume NK uses whatever software the Chinese give them, legal or not.
 
2013-04-15 05:55:59 PM  
[appleXCode release];
 
2013-04-15 05:57:07 PM  

nipner: Authorities are saying officially that they did shut down cell service... but Fox news is reporting that they called various carriers, whom are saying that they didn't shut down service.

Scary to think that the gov't can potentially  override cell carriers and deny service.  I would think this only helps to increase panic in the crowd, when you can't even get text to people


My guess is this has to do with the towers, not a cell company, who leases the use of a tower. FOX news should brush up on their... nevermind. Pretty sure the FCC and others have regulations guaranteeing control in emergency use situations, and it's easier to hit the "Plan R" button for the towers in Boston than to arrange something on the software side with national carriers.
 
2013-04-15 06:02:13 PM  

Earguy: NBC news saying cell service not shut off, but increased traffic can bog down the system.


That makes sense as my sister was finally able to get in touch with her son. They live a couple of blocks away from Copley Square.
 
2013-04-15 06:09:40 PM  
Cell phone towers would seem to only block one type of attack.

Troll around the area and find an open/wep encrypted router. Open just connect, wep crack it in a min. Have a strategic location for a laptop with WAMP turned on.
Setup arduino devices (coded to detonate the bombs)  that connect to the WAMP server. Place bombs within range to stay connected. Flee the city, state, etc. Have yourself or anyone in the world (with an internet connection) to connect to the wamp IP and press detonate.
 
2013-04-15 06:13:40 PM  
Let's stop ambulances from going into the area because they could have terrorists with bombs in them.
 
2013-04-15 06:14:17 PM  

UsikFark: My guess is this has to do with the towers, not a cell company, who leases the use of a tower. FOX news should brush up on their... nevermind. Pretty sure the FCC and others have regulations guaranteeing control in emergency use situations, and it's easier to hit the "Plan R" button for the towers in Boston than to arrange something on the software side with national carriers.


Your guess would be wrong actually. The tower companies supply a place to put antennas, and only that. If you need an entire city-wide network shut down, that is done from the switch side(telecom name for the central datacenter)

/Works for a telecom dealing directly with the towers,  backhaul and switch side.
 
2013-04-15 06:24:45 PM  
I don't want to be heartless to those directly impacted/injured by the bombs, BUT does an event which has affected 100 people justify hampering life for >2M people?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-15 06:37:30 PM  
I remember Java had some similar license on it.

Sun's standard license said you couldn't use their systems for anything nuclear or life-critical (i.e. medical applications where a bug could kill somebody).
 
2013-04-15 06:42:41 PM  

Sean M: I don't want to be heartless to those directly impacted/injured by the bombs, BUT does an event which has affected 100 people justify hampering life for >2M people?


You ain't seen nothing yet. Every yokel with a 20 watt AM radio station will be dailing 911 upon seeing a shadow.
 
2013-04-15 06:43:30 PM  
Amateur Radio. Works when all else fails.
 
2013-04-15 06:43:37 PM  

Sean M: I don't want to be heartless to those directly impacted/injured by the bombs, BUT does an event which has affected 100 people justify hampering life for >2M people?


Agreed, as pointed out there are several ways to detonate these bombs (including a $5 alarm clock).  Disabling communications in an emergency is just not the way to handle this situation..

A bit off topic, it's bad enough that Homeland "Security" and National Weather service can force messages to my cell phone.  http://www.nws.noaa.gov/com/weatherreadynation/wea.html
Found a way to turn these annoying messages off at least.  But I live in Hawaii that is classified as one "zone", so if there is a storm hitting another island 200+ miles away, my phone starts going bonkers at 3am for no reason.  It makes that terrible screeching/horn sound like your tv or radio does during the alert system tests. (Does not matter if your volume is off or not).  Since they can't take the time to actually classify different zones, most will turn off the system that could actually be helpful in an emergency.
 
2013-04-15 06:46:47 PM  
Bullshiat. You shut off cell service so you could try and control the flow of information.

It isn't working, asshats. Are you ready to abandon the killswitch idea now?
 
2013-04-15 06:55:47 PM  

Sean M: I don't want to be heartless to those directly impacted/injured by the bombs, BUT does an event which has affected 100 people justify hampering life for >2M people?


It also seems to present problems in terms of coordinating a response, like say calling doctors to come into work or arranging for them get a police escort through traffic/security cordons. If all the doctor has is a cell phone, you better hope he has a quarter for a payphone (and can find a payphone).
 
2013-04-15 06:58:40 PM  
Use cell phone to trigger a 2 minute 30s timer, a 2 minute timer, a 1 minute 30s timer, and two 30 minute timers.

Good thing we have a kill switch on the cell network, that way, only one bomb can be detonated.
 
2013-04-15 07:07:52 PM  
This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..
 
2013-04-15 07:08:42 PM  
Great idea, I mean it's not like people need to call 911 during a major emergency or anything.
 
2013-04-15 07:20:57 PM  

piccolo: This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..


I guarantee you, the people who do know this type of stuff aren't likely to talk about it.
 
2013-04-15 09:12:46 PM  

Sean M: I don't want to be heartless to those directly impacted/injured by the bombs, BUT does an event which has affected 100 people justify hampering life for >2M people?


Yes.
 
2013-04-15 09:16:22 PM  

MrEricSir: Great idea, I mean it's not like people need to call 911 during a major emergency or anything.


If I remember correctly, they  can selectively override the "block" to allow certain calls through, such as to 911.  I am not sure, though.  I just think I remember reading something about this a while back.
 
2013-04-15 09:23:51 PM  

nipner: A bit off topic, it's bad enough that Homeland "Security" and National Weather service can force messages to my cell phone. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/com/weatherreadynation/wea.html


Yeah, that's farking HORRIBLE.

Found a way to turn these annoying messages off at least.

Good- so when emergency managers (who, along with the NWS, send out the majority of the all-hazards alerts) can't alert you via this method (which is GREAT because it's always with you, and it's being tweaked to be more geographically relevant...) and your ass needs rescuing, we can safely bump you down on the priority list, right?
 
2013-04-15 09:44:44 PM  

uncleacid: No.


Actually, yes. I called a friend of mine who lives in Massachusetts at 5:15 eastern. He answered, and was still down in the midst of it. I had no idea he was running in the thing until I spoke to him. We both use Verizon.

/not a plug, and neither of us work for VZW.
 
2013-04-15 10:25:19 PM  

Daveism: nipner: A bit off topic, it's bad enough that Homeland "Security" and National Weather service can force messages to my cell phone. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/com/weatherreadynation/wea.html

Yeah, that's farking HORRIBLE.

Found a way to turn these annoying messages off at least.

Good- so when emergency managers (who, along with the NWS, send out the majority of the all-hazards alerts) can't alert you via this method (which is GREAT because it's always with you, and it's being tweaked to be more geographically relevant...) and your ass needs rescuing, we can safely bump you down on the priority list, right?


Shhh!  Let him turn the messages off.  It is for the best.
 
2013-04-15 10:25:48 PM  

Mrbogey: piccolo: This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..

I guarantee you, the people who do know this type of stuff aren't likely to talk about it.


True enough. I wonder if they'll ever be more common though, like the traffic-light signal changing thing ambulances & fire trucks have as well as police. I'd want to put a jammer on every public vehicle - buses, etc., if this is about to become a thing. I found myself missing phone booths today. What do they do in Israel? and Pakistan? Detonate the bomb in other ways I guess? I think in Lahore they'll turn cellphones off if there's a known risk/event. Are mass shootings going out of style for the mad and malicious? I seriously hope not but what with the knife attack earlier this week it does seem like the crazies are switching it up.
 
2013-04-15 10:30:20 PM  
It's illegal for state and local police to jam cellphones. The FCC has ultimate jurisdiction over wireless communications.  http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-02-01/news/36806310_1_jam-sig n als-cellantenna-federal-agencies
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-15 10:43:44 PM  
One of the papers posted a screenshot showing emergency calls were allowed.
 
2013-04-15 10:59:39 PM  
It's illegal for state and local police to jam cellphones

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

Oh, shiat, rolling on the floor. Can't breathe. Gasp.
 
2013-04-15 11:04:10 PM  

piccolo: Mrbogey: piccolo: This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..

I guarantee you, the people who do know this type of stuff aren't likely to talk about it.

True enough. I wonder if they'll ever be more common though, like the traffic-light signal changing thing ambulances & fire trucks have as well as police. I'd want to put a jammer on every public vehicle - buses, etc., if this is about to become a thing. I found myself missing phone booths today. What do they do in Israel? and Pakistan? Detonate the bomb in other ways I guess? I think in Lahore they'll turn cellphones off if there's a known risk/event. Are mass shootings going out of style for the mad and malicious? I seriously hope not but what with the knife attack earlier this week it does seem like the crazies are switching it up.


OK. I brought up ham radio. You young pups have never heard of it and have no idea what I'm talking about. So go ahead, try to communicate on your expensive government controlled devices. I'm speaking to the world on a $39.95 radio from China. Blocking free.
 
2013-04-15 11:17:03 PM  

smells_like_meat: piccolo: Mrbogey: piccolo: This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..

I guarantee you, the people who do know this type of stuff aren't likely to talk about it.

True enough. I wonder if they'll ever be more common though, like the traffic-light signal changing thing ambulances & fire trucks have as well as police. I'd want to put a jammer on every public vehicle - buses, etc., if this is about to become a thing. I found myself missing phone booths today. What do they do in Israel? and Pakistan? Detonate the bomb in other ways I guess? I think in Lahore they'll turn cellphones off if there's a known risk/event. Are mass shootings going out of style for the mad and malicious? I seriously hope not but what with the knife attack earlier this week it does seem like the crazies are switching it up.

OK. I brought up ham radio. You young pups have never heard of it and have no idea what I'm talking about. So go ahead, try to communicate on your expensive government controlled devices. I'm speaking to the world on a $39.95 radio from China. Blocking free.


Go ahead, communicate with all 3 or 4 of your friends who are also using ham radios.
 
2013-04-15 11:49:52 PM  

Mock26: Go ahead, communicate with all 3 or 4 of your friends who are also using ham radios.


Heh I listen to a scanner and always lock out the 2 ham radio guys in my area. "[Callsign] to [Callsign], just seeing if you are there" over and over until one of them answers. They go on about the old days. Not having someone wanting to get a hold of you constantly yet they do it all the farking time to each other.  Also an annoyance - a teenage girl that bought herself a radio setup to talk with her dad/his coworkers while they were out plowing the roads.
 
2013-04-15 11:59:38 PM  

smells_like_meat: piccolo: Mrbogey: piccolo: This announcement might mean that law enforcement are deploying a jammer in the area(s) of highest risk while they do their sweeps, rather than making (an apparently bureaucratic) series of communications telling communications to shut down communications...Right? If a bomb could be triggered, they need something instant, under their control and immediately effective. Does anyone in law enforcement/bomb squad know if jammers are routine equipment? Cause they should be after this. Yeesh..

I guarantee you, the people who do know this type of stuff aren't likely to talk about it.

True enough. I wonder if they'll ever be more common though, like the traffic-light signal changing thing ambulances & fire trucks have as well as police. I'd want to put a jammer on every public vehicle - buses, etc., if this is about to become a thing. I found myself missing phone booths today. What do they do in Israel? and Pakistan? Detonate the bomb in other ways I guess? I think in Lahore they'll turn cellphones off if there's a known risk/event. Are mass shootings going out of style for the mad and malicious? I seriously hope not but what with the knife attack earlier this week it does seem like the crazies are switching it up.

OK. I brought up ham radio. You young pups have never heard of it and have no idea what I'm talking about. So go ahead, try to communicate on your expensive government controlled devices. I'm speaking to the world on a $39.95 radio from China. Blocking free.


Well... and there's nothing to keep a terrorist from building a radio receiver and detonating a bomb based off a simple design that a first year EE could build. The cell phone method is just an easy way to skip part of the equation.

I have a radio tracker that chirps a signal. A simple design that fits in something the size of a wristwatch. The receiver for it is a bit larger but has a range of a mile. Similar to what's used in No Country for Old Men. Excellent for tracking small animals.
 
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