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2013-04-16 02:53:51 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Valacirca: ....Did this guy seriouslyjust attempt to label the Holocaust museum shooter as left-leaning?

He was a truther. That demographic has plenty of people from both sides of the spectrum and none of them are rational. For example the Fark famous picture of 2 concrete pavers and rabbit wire to replicate the towers was originally posted on Democratic Underground.



What people tend to confuse is terrorists/crazy people who belong to one political idealogy or another, but DON'T act based on political beliefs, with terrorists who DO have political motivations behind their attacks. McVeigh was absolutely a right wing terrorist. The guy that shot Giffords and the Newtwon school shooter were both just lunatics. The fact that they identified more with right or left politics was inconsequential to their crimes.

There has been an incredible amount of violent rhetoric on the right ever since Obama was elected, so it's natural to speculate that one of them is going to eventually act out on those violent threats. But it's also just as likely that some nutjob who thinks he's in a relationship with an actress on TV will act out and blow shiat up when he discovers she's "cheating" on him, or that it's Muslim terrorists again, or that it's some group that we've never heard of.
 
2013-04-16 02:53:56 AM  

Sid_6.7: Uncle_Git: Uhhh really ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_the_London_Underground#1992_ IR A_attacks

The IRA does not, generally speaking, attempt to kill random civilians. It has happened in the past, but most attacks are at infrastructure, not people, and they call ahead to warn that people should be evacuated. When attacks are intentionally against people, they're normally against people who are perceived as occupying or otherwise working against the IRA and their goals. Random people in a marathon don't fit this profile.

This attack is the opposite of their MO, unless it was completely idiotic and poorly planned on their part.


Total shiat. Salford bombing? Pub bombings? The IRA consistently targeted unconnected civilians, killing men, women and children.
 
2013-04-16 02:54:06 AM  

Valacirca: "You want my weapons - this is how you'll get them. The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. "

Sounds like the words of a liberal to me.


I was trying to say that just by being a truther he was already off of his rocker. His politics are secondary in that light. He might as well have replaced "Jews and Obama" with "Illuminati" and "Reptilians" or vice versa.
 
2013-04-16 02:55:48 AM  

ratman999: Regardless, it is sad that we live in a world where this is considered an expected, if not even legitimate, expression of political opinion.


Infernalist: Your 'wondering' implies that this is karmic retaliation for the Iraq War.

Seeing how the bombs didn't go off in GWB's home, nor anywhere near Darth Cheney's meditation chamber, I'm going to have to veto your suggestion of 'karma' and suggest you go blame the former Bush Administration for Iraq and not the citizens of Boston.


I don't think that's what he meant - why does it have to be "karmic"? Why can't it be someone from Iraq who is pissed off at Americans for voting for AND REELECTING the guy who was directly responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his countrymen? Would that not provide plenty of motivation for an act such as this?

Yes, I'm well aware that Massachusetts is a Blue State, and Dubya was not a very popular guy there. However, would the average Iraqi? Hell, most of us don't understand the difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis, not to mention the Kurds. Would we expect a foreigner who is pissed at America to understand that the people he's killing likely voted for the other guy? Did the US care if some of the people who died in the Iraq war didn't like Saddam?

I know this is idle speculation, for all we know this was a domestic job. I just don't like the idea of attributing to karma what would be better classified as a direct reaction. Is it "karma" if I punch a guy in the face and he punches me back?
 
2013-04-16 02:57:05 AM  
I work round the corner from St Pauls in London. was planning on popping down to the Thatcher funeral tomorrow to see the spectacle (and Katherine Jenkins) but think I may stay away from crowds this week...

Stay safe Bostonians. I have worked at the Copley Plaza hotel many times and know the area well. a tragedy for a beautiful city.
 
2013-04-16 02:58:09 AM  

Corn_Fed: While this is not a time for partisan politics, it is instructive to consider the level of over-reaction that would be going on right now if Bush were still president.


And the under-reaction if Clinton were still President, unless of course it was domestic bred terrorism, he'd be all over that.

I really hate the partisan shiat. I don't know why you bait it.

People were blown up, people are fighting for their lives, b-b-b-Bush. Whatever. There is at least one asshole out there that we all want found.

We all want to see this cocksucker found and strung up, regardless of which way he votes. But thank you for reminding us about W, like we'd forgotten.
 
2013-04-16 02:58:33 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I was trying to say that just by being a truther he was already off of his rocker. His politics are secondary in that light. He might as well have replaced "Jews and Obama" with "Illuminati" and "Reptilians" or vice versa.


Not arguing against anything like that, I'm just pretty much amazed that one guy honestly tried to label von Brunn as a leftist.
 
2013-04-16 02:58:35 AM  

Radioactive Ass: The US government is slow to move because it's huge. Once it starts to move it's hard to stop... because it's huge, it has its own type of inertia. It's when it moves fast that you really have to worry, because it will have a huge amount of inertia behind it. See the Patriot Act for an example of this. I see the ACA as a similar type of situation.


Does this mean that the injured are going to have to worry about medical bills? Keep in mind that 11 1/2 years later, we still haven't covered all the medical treatment from the 9/11 first responders yet.
 
2013-04-16 03:01:06 AM  

Valacirca: "You want my weapons - this is how you'll get them. The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. "

Sounds like the words of a liberal to me.


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"We're only fiscally conservative."

 
2013-04-16 03:08:13 AM  
shower_in_my_socks: What people tend to confuse is terrorists/crazy people who belong to one political idealogy or another, but DON'T act based on political beliefs, with terrorists who DO have political motivations behind their attacks. McVeigh was absolutely a right wing terrorist. The guy that shot Giffords and the Newtwon school shooter were both just lunatics. The fact that they identified more with right or left politics was inconsequential to their crimes.

I don't disagree with this.

There has been an incredible amount of violent rhetoric on the right ever since Obama was elected, so it's natural to speculate that one of them is going to eventually act out on those violent threats. But it's also just as likely that some nutjob who thinks he's in a relationship with an actress on TV will act out and blow shiat up when he discovers she's "cheating" on him, or that it's Muslim terrorists again, or that it's some group that we've never heard of.

There's always a lot of violent rhetoric by "The other side" and there has been for all of my life (I can barely remember LBJ as president to give that context). The internet magnifies it but it's always been there. The actual violence is always by politically motivated nutjobs with a perverted sense of right and wrong or, as you allude to with the actress comment, someone who is just plain insane to start with. I remember when Reagan got shot. The speculation on the newly formed CNN was that it was related to the Jonestown massacre, Just like the recent (at the time) San Francisco mayor (George Moscone) assassination was at first.

I'm a little r republican (liberal on social issues) and I can't find any logic whatsoever in doing this type of thing. It's insane. I do get irritated when the automatic response is "Right\left wing terrorism" and not "Insane nutjob terrorism"  instead. Because that's what it always is at the end of the day.
 
2013-04-16 03:09:10 AM  

Jaykzo: Void_Beavis: fark you asshole

Behold, the words of the man who claims to know how to properly secure a large scale event in a metropolitan area. The words of a man who, within mere hours of a tragedy occuring, has the wisdom and knowledge to correctly assign blame on those whose negligence were responsible for said tragedy. And throughout all of this work he's done, he still has time to type out a "fark you asshole" on the internet.

Fight on, brave soldier.

 
2013-04-16 03:09:50 AM  

ox45tallboy: Yes, I'm well aware that Massachusetts is a Blue State, and Dubya was not a very popular guy there. However, would the average Iraqi? Hell, most of us don't understand the difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis, not to mention the Kurds. Would we expect a foreigner who is pissed at America to understand that the people he's killing likely voted for the other guy? Did the US care if some of the people who died in the Iraq war didn't like Saddam?


You'd find that yes, people generally know more about America than you'd expect.  I'd refer you to the Daily Show episode in Iran where no American On The Street interviewed can name an Iranian city other than Tehran, while Iranians are familiar with places like Utica.  Many Iraqis have family in the US as well (educated guess, but I'd wager any Iraqis with the ways and means to travel to the US is probably fairly well off these days and certainly does have family here).

Seriously this is neither here nor there.  Just don't underestimate what the world knows about us.  Last superpower and all, especially if we occupied their country?  Yeah.
 
2013-04-16 03:11:39 AM  

ox45tallboy: Does this mean that the injured are going to have to worry about medical bills? Keep in mind that 11 1/2 years later, we still haven't covered all the medical treatment from the 9/11 first responders yet.


I mean that the law was passed too quickly and with little consideration to what it actually meant. I like the idea of a solid medical safety net for everyone, I just think that there are things buried in the law that will rear its ugly head as it's implemented.

I liked the idea behind the Patriot Act too, but as we have seen it has some rather bad side effects as well.
 
2013-04-16 03:25:42 AM  
Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.

It has to be a wackjob, or nutjob, loony tunes mad head who's now back in his hut and mumbling incoherently to himself about some perceived slight that occurred in 1976.

As to why the police haven't released any tapes; I think they know who it is and want him safely in jail, or they can't clearly identify him because the crowds were too big and don't want lynch mobs out on the streets.
 
2013-04-16 03:29:47 AM  
Infernalist:
Your 'wondering' implies that this is karmic retaliation for the Iraq War.

Seeing how the bombs didn't go off in GWB's home, nor anywhere near Darth Cheney's meditation chamber, I'm going to have to veto your suggestion of 'karma' and suggest you go blame the former Bush Administration for Iraq and not the citizens of Boston.


No, that is not what it implies, because you don't understand karma evidently.  Maybe it is about Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the cruise missile attack in Sudan, and Beirut, and the 1953 Iranian coup, and all the other nasty stuff that our elected representatives have done on our collective behalf in that part of the world, as well as in Latin America and Southeast Asia and everywhere else.

Even if this is something done by domestic wingnuts or someone with more serious mental health problems, it is sad that now murder-suicide by explosives is considered a legitimate means of expressing political sentiment to the extent that when it happens anywhere other than at home we don't even pay attention any more.  That is a sad and scary world to live in.
 
2013-04-16 03:31:28 AM  

Drew: Also folks - be aware that at this stage in the news cycle pretty much no one knows anything, and 90% of everything's gonna be issued a correction later by MSM.  That said it still helps to know what's going on now


Helps what? Am I missing something? Besides those who were injured and maybe some of their family members, who the fark cares?
 
2013-04-16 03:33:20 AM  

Radioactive Ass: I mean that the law was passed too quickly and with little consideration to what it actually meant


Are we talking about the Patriot Act or the ACA here? If I recall, the ACA debate started in June 2009 and was finally signed into law in March of 2010. To put that into perspective, the Constitutional Convention first met on May 25, 1787, and approved the final document four months later on September 17.

I personally believe that the ACA's lengthy period of "debate" is what caused quite a bit of weakening of many provisions within it, as well as amendments which were basically BJ's to medical equipment and service suppliers.
 
2013-04-16 03:33:31 AM  

Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston?



To inflict fear and to get international headlines. I'm not saying I think it was them, but whoever did it had that motivation.
 
2013-04-16 03:40:50 AM  

Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.


While you're correct about a bigger impact, keep in mind that you can't carry backpacks or other types of containers into most stadium-type sporting events, at least not without them being searched.

Also, regarding motivation, if this was Al Qaeda, I think that they might want to show America what is going on in their countries right now. Most all of the ME bombings aren't in the "best" places, and "only" kill a few and injure a few dozen. They don't generally kill dozens or hundreds of people. They make their "statement" regardless of the number of fatalities.
 
2013-04-16 03:45:48 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston?


To inflict fear and to get international headlines. I'm not saying I think it was them, but whoever did it had that motivation.


Well yeah, it's definitely terrorism. The IRA in the UK used the same method (although, as said earlier, gave coded warnings beforehand). Probably lots of other terrorist groups do the same as well. It's likely recommended on sites on Tor.

But I don't believe it was organized - the amount of smoke versus explosion and the 3 devices failing - or politically motivated - you don't win support blowing up runners and family members. I've no idea what would make all of the smoke but the devices weren't all that strong when you consider throwing them in a trash bin would be pretty easy. They must have been home-made which indicates a lack of funds, surely you can buy a grenade if you have the cash?

The IRA managed to blow up a hotel in Brighton where the Conservative Party was staying, and propel a bomb into the garden of the Prime Minister's house. Now  thattakes some organization and money.
 
2013-04-16 03:46:04 AM  

ox45tallboy: Radioactive Ass: I mean that the law was passed too quickly and with little consideration to what it actually meant

Are we talking about the Patriot Act or the ACA here? If I recall, the ACA debate started in June 2009 and was finally signed into law in March of 2010. To put that into perspective, the Constitutional Convention first met on May 25, 1787, and approved the final document four months later on September 17.

I personally believe that the ACA's lengthy period of "debate" is what caused quite a bit of weakening of many provisions within it, as well as amendments which were basically BJ's to medical equipment and service suppliers.


When the Speaker of the House says that she will read it after it's been passed. it smacks to me of being rushed through and not scrutinized, much like the Patriot Act. The CC of 1787 had only one document to review and debate and that document was substantially less in content than the 10k or so pages of the ACA. This is a huge difference. You should also probably note that the USC was a loose set of rules and specified very little when viewed in context. It was a framework and not a law as most laws are defined. Laws are pasted onto the Constitution and then decided if they fit (if there is an issue), not the other way around.
 
2013-04-16 03:51:20 AM  

Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.

It has to be a wackjob, or nutjob, loony tunes mad head who's now back in his hut and mumbling incoherently to himself about some perceived slight that occurred in 1976.

As to why the police haven't released any tapes; I think they know who it is and want him safely in jail, or they can't clearly identify him because the crowds were too big and don't want lynch mobs out on the streets.


We don't know the motivation, but the venue was obviously chosen because people would be there, and because cameras would be there.
 
2013-04-16 03:52:01 AM  

ox45tallboy: Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.

While you're correct about a bigger impact, keep in mind that you can't carry backpacks or other types of containers into most stadium-type sporting events, at least not without them being searched.

Also, regarding motivation, if this was Al Qaeda, I think that they might want to show America what is going on in their countries right now. Most all of the ME bombings aren't in the "best" places, and "only" kill a few and injure a few dozen. They don't generally kill dozens or hundreds of people. They make their "statement" regardless of the number of fatalities.


It's a long time since I've been to a game and I doubt it's really possible to put a live bomb in a living human, so I guess the stadium option is out. I seem to remember bombings in the ME often take place in the markets, surely a cart bomb in a busy supermarket on a Saturday would be more effective than people finishing a marathon after 4 hours? I don't remember any marathons being run and bombed in Iraq, but am happy to be corrected.

Or what about public transport? It was pretty effective in London and Madrid. They were organized pretty well, going off within seconds of each other.
 
2013-04-16 03:53:00 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban_Cowboy
Just wanted to share this as I've just watched this Family Guy episode and I find it a little surreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGBdBs5LVaY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5U5LiHnutw
A synchronicity, insider knowledge, or predictive programming I don't know. Definitely spooky!
/not to mention that i posted about the picture of the COWBOY pinching the poor guy's artery last night.
 
2013-04-16 03:55:54 AM  

Pert: Sid_6.7: Uncle_Git: Uhhh really ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_the_London_Underground#1992_ IR A_attacks

The IRA does not, generally speaking, attempt to kill random civilians. It has happened in the past, but most attacks are at infrastructure, not people, and they call ahead to warn that people should be evacuated. When attacks are intentionally against people, they're normally against people who are perceived as occupying or otherwise working against the IRA and their goals. Random people in a marathon don't fit this profile.

This attack is the opposite of their MO, unless it was completely idiotic and poorly planned on their part.

Total shiat. Salford bombing? Pub bombings? The IRA consistently targeted unconnected civilians, killing men, women and children.


I have a family friend whose house was bombed by the IRA. Granted, her family lived (and her elderly mother still does live) in a Downton Abbeyesque estate that has some fancy pants name and ends up on the cover of glossy coffee table books, but they were a civilian target. I think they were seen as representing all that was wrong with the British or something, but in any case, they certainly weren't combatants. In that IRA bombing everyone was fine because they tossed the bomb in a part of the house where nobody was, but that was luck more than anything.
 
2013-04-16 03:57:34 AM  

Gobobo: surely you can buy a grenade if you have the cash?


While I'm sure that there are plenty of grenades on the black market in the US, I really can't see a right-wing militia type, or a South Central LA Crip, or an Italian mafia group in Chicago or a Irish group in Boston, none of these would sell to a Middle Eastern guy they thought might use the grenades to kill innocents in a terror attack. It would be very bad for business.

Also, grenades don't work so well on timers or cell phone detonators.
 
2013-04-16 04:04:35 AM  

Gobobo: Or what about public transport? It was pretty effective in London and Madrid. They were organized pretty well, going off within seconds of each other.


MARTA in Atlanta is totally unsecured. On top of that, a crapload of TSA employees use it every day - they park at College Park station and take the train to the airport. After 8 PM, they move to 20 minute train schedules and the trains are always packed starting at the airport and heading north. Any type of basic explosives packed into a normal-sized backpack (which everyone carries) would do massive damage to the occupants of the car, not to mention the fact that the train is going around 60-70 mph and could be derailed, and in some places the train is 50-60 ft above the ground.

I try not to think about it when I ride MARTA.
 
2013-04-16 04:04:50 AM  

ox45tallboy: Gobobo: surely you can buy a grenade if you have the cash?

While I'm sure that there are plenty of grenades on the black market in the US, I really can't see a right-wing militia type, or a South Central LA Crip, or an Italian mafia group in Chicago or a Irish group in Boston, none of these would sell to a Middle Eastern guy they thought might use the grenades to kill innocents in a terror attack. It would be very bad for business.


Also, grenades don't work so well on timers or cell phone detonators.

Good point. The tv corroborates it, too. IEDs shown on the internets are much more effective and can be set off with a phone but I've not heard of a grenade doing the same. Not sure about your first point, though; criminals be criminals, they sometimes do shiat for the money and don't consider the victims. Sure, I'd like to think no one would sell a grenade if it's going to be used on civilians but some people are not nice people.
 
2013-04-16 04:05:10 AM  

Gobobo: ox45tallboy: Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.

While you're correct about a bigger impact, keep in mind that you can't carry backpacks or other types of containers into most stadium-type sporting events, at least not without them being searched.

Also, regarding motivation, if this was Al Qaeda, I think that they might want to show America what is going on in their countries right now. Most all of the ME bombings aren't in the "best" places, and "only" kill a few and injure a few dozen. They don't generally kill dozens or hundreds of people. They make their "statement" regardless of the number of fatalities.

It's a long time since I've been to a game and I doubt it's really possible to put a live bomb in a living human, so I guess the stadium option is out. I seem to remember bombings in the ME often take place in the markets, surely a cart bomb in a busy supermarket on a Saturday would be more effective than people finishing a marathon after 4 hours? I don't remember any marathons being run and bombed in Iraq, but am happy to be corrected.

Or what about public transport? It was pretty effective in London and Madrid. They were organized pretty well, going off within seconds of each other.


I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holiday shoppers are a relatively common target--look at the Diwali bombings in India several years ago.
 
2013-04-16 04:06:33 AM  

Radioactive Ass: The CC of 1787 had only one document to review and debate and that document was substantially less in content than the 10k or so pages of the ACA. This is a huge difference.


Yeah, you have a point.

I would have been perfectly happy with the proposed bill removing the "over 65" from the Medicaid Act.
 
2013-04-16 04:08:39 AM  

Gobobo: shower_in_my_socks: Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston?


To inflict fear and to get international headlines. I'm not saying I think it was them, but whoever did it had that motivation.

Well yeah, it's definitely terrorism. The IRA in the UK used the same method (although, as said earlier, gave coded warnings beforehand). Probably lots of other terrorist groups do the same as well. It's likely recommended on sites on Tor.

But I don't believe it was organized - the amount of smoke versus explosion and the 3 devices failing - or politically motivated - you don't win support blowing up runners and family members. I've no idea what would make all of the smoke but the devices weren't all that strong when you consider throwing them in a trash bin would be pretty easy. They must have been home-made which indicates a lack of funds, surely you can buy a grenade if you have the cash?

The IRA managed to blow up a hotel in Brighton where the Conservative Party was staying, and propel a bomb into the garden of the Prime Minister's house. Now  thattakes some organization and money.


I noticed the smoke too, My first thought was black Powder.
 
2013-04-16 04:11:00 AM  

ox45tallboy: I know this is idle speculation, for all we know this was a domestic job. I just don't like the idea of attributing to karma what would be better classified as a direct reaction. Is it "karma" if I punch a guy in the face and he punches me back?


Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon you're gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you
 
2013-04-16 04:12:04 AM  

rynthetyn: RatMaster999: rynthetyn: RatMaster999: Uranus Is Huge!: My money is on some creepy, loner, white guy that hates the govenrment. I really hope it's not a Muslim. At least we'd have a good shot at attacking the correct country. Best case scenario? North Korea claim responsibility...and is telling the truth. I won't hold my breath.

I'm kinda  hoping that's the case.  Even if just to point out that not all Muslims are evil, terroristic sonsabiatches.

Plus, if it is just one guy, the chances of him getting caught seem somewhat higher than if he's got a support network behind him.

I hope it's a loner white guy, too many people of Middle Eastern and South Asian ancestry are going to have a terrible time otherwise.

I'm rather fearful that there's going to be a whole lot of angry stupid unleashed on people of non-white ethnicities using this as justification.  I really hope I'm wrong about it happening.

I really hope that we're wrong on that. I remember back after 9/11 my one aunt and uncle were really worried about my aunt's Jordanian cousins because they were studying at Embry Riddle (where some of the hijackers were enrollment). I think they pretended to be Mexican for quite a while.

My sister is dating an Indian guy, and given how people can't tell the difference between different brown people I hope he doesn't have trouble. For that matter, my sister-in-law is Spanish and Brazilian with some sort of North African ancestry mixed in there by way of her Spanish side, and looks to be of a sort of indeterminate ethnicity that doesn't look 100% white, and given witch hunts she could be looked on with suspicion. And that's not even going into the friends I have who are actually Muslim.


I work for the University of New Hampshire, and we have some students from a variety of foreign nations.  Rumor was that one of Bin Laden's nephews was a student here when 9/11 happened, he was quitely rushed elsewhere.  This afternoon, I saw a young woman in full Muslim dress, with a brightly colored headscarf and her face veiled.  I don't know her, but I hope nobody's harassed her for this.  Or any of the Indian, African, other exchange students.

I'll my fingers crossed that your kith and kin remain safe and their jimmies unrustled by ignorant farkwits.
 
2013-04-16 04:12:25 AM  

ox45tallboy: Gobobo: surely you can buy a grenade if you have the cash?

While I'm sure that there are plenty of grenades on the black market in the US, I really can't see a right-wing militia type, or a South Central LA Crip, or an Italian mafia group in Chicago or a Irish group in Boston, none of these would sell to a Middle Eastern guy they thought might use the grenades to kill innocents in a terror attack. It would be very bad for business.

Also, grenades don't work so well on timers or cell phone detonators.


Nor are grenades (high-explosive or fragmentation) really ideal for mass casualties, though they'd certainly be terrifying
 
2013-04-16 04:12:46 AM  

ox45tallboy: I would have been perfectly happy with the proposed bill removing the "over 65" from the Medicaid Act.


Me too. Tack on a financially capable clause and I would have been fine with it.
 
2013-04-16 04:13:05 AM  

Gobobo: Not sure about your first point, though; criminals be criminals, they sometimes do shiat for the money and don't consider the victims. Sure, I'd like to think no one would sell a grenade if it's going to be used on civilians but some people are not nice people.


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"It matters to me. I may not make an honest buck, but I'm 100% American. I don't work for no two-bit Nazi!

 
2013-04-16 04:20:36 AM  

CygnusDarius: AlHarris31:   I bet there will be dogs walking through the lots at all major sporting games from now on.

I like dags.


I hope they use English springer spaniels. They have soft, tickly noses (and an amazing sense of smell).
 
2013-04-16 04:23:06 AM  

rynthetyn: Gobobo: ox45tallboy: Gobobo: Why the hell would Al Qaeda bomb a marathon in Boston? What is the political motivation for bombing a recreation venue (when is running violent, for fark sake?) and not a bank or at least a symbol like a football or baseball game? You'd make a much bigger impact in a full stadium.

While you're correct about a bigger impact, keep in mind that you can't carry backpacks or other types of containers into most stadium-type sporting events, at least not without them being searched.

Also, regarding motivation, if this was Al Qaeda, I think that they might want to show America what is going on in their countries right now. Most all of the ME bombings aren't in the "best" places, and "only" kill a few and injure a few dozen. They don't generally kill dozens or hundreds of people. They make their "statement" regardless of the number of fatalities.

It's a long time since I've been to a game and I doubt it's really possible to put a live bomb in a living human, so I guess the stadium option is out. I seem to remember bombings in the ME often take place in the markets, surely a cart bomb in a busy supermarket on a Saturday would be more effective than people finishing a marathon after 4 hours? I don't remember any marathons being run and bombed in Iraq, but am happy to be corrected.

Or what about public transport? It was pretty effective in London and Madrid. They were organized pretty well, going off within seconds of each other.

I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holiday shop ...


Are you trying to get on a watch list? Yea I know, when I was a kid and yea terrorism was a thing way back then, I always wondered why somebody didn't rent a helicopter and fly over crowded city streets shooting machine guns.

There are crazies out there. There always has been. Some get funding from nation states some don't.
 
2013-04-16 04:23:35 AM  

RatMaster999: I'll my fingers crossed that your kith and kin remain safe and their jimmies unrustled by ignorant farkwits.


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2013-04-16 04:26:17 AM  
My heart goes out to you Boston.
 
2013-04-16 04:36:24 AM  

rynthetyn: I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holiday

shoppers are a relatively common target--look at the Diwali bombings in India several years ago

It would be very effective, but so would a mosque during Ramadan. You'd have to be absolutely nuts to bomb a mosque during an Islamic festival, if you're aware of the significance and still did it. But, I guess, a shop during the Christmas period wouldn't be as significant a target. You'd think the bombers in London and Madrid would've targeted more popular venues, but there's always other stores to take the shoppers, you can't immediately open a new train line.

Come to think of it I've not heard why they targeted transportation? I guess they thought it more terrifying for Londoners and Madrians ... Madridites .. the people of Madrid as they're cooped up in a busy tube and anyone there with a backpack could be a bomber, it's pretty easy to ban backpacks from shops.
 
2013-04-16 04:37:26 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holiday shop ...

Are you trying to get on a watch list? Yea I know, when I was a kid and yea terrorism was a thing way back then, I always wondered why somebody didn't rent a helicopter and fly over crowded city streets shooting machine guns.
There are crazies out there. There always has been. Some get funding from nation states some don't.


I'm probably already on somebody's watch list already because of the trips to Turkey and India and the number of times that one of my friends in India (who, for a second strike against him, grew up in Dubai) and I have had IM conversations about this sort of thing, both of us being excessively paranoid and far too aware of potential targets for our own mental health.  Though, in our defense, I've had one too many times where places got hit with terror attacks shortly after I left (the Diwali bombings blew up, among other things, the shop where I bought one of my favorite necklaces, to give one example), he's been within earshot of multiple terrorist attacks in Delhi, and his wife works at the Indian Supreme Court, which gets bombed on a regular basis. All of that is enough to make one a bit paranoid.
 
2013-04-16 04:44:36 AM  

Gobobo: rynthetyn: I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holidayshoppers are a relatively common target--look at the Diwali bombings in India several years ago

It would be very effective, but so would a mosque during Ramadan. You'd have to be absolutely nuts to bomb a mosque during an Islamic festival, if you're aware of the significance and still did it. But, I guess, a shop during the Christmas period wouldn't be as significant a target. You'd think the bombers in London and Madrid would've targeted more popular venues, but there's always other stores to take the shoppers, you can't immediately open a new train line.

Come to think of it I've not heard why they targeted transportation? I guess they thought it more terrifying for Londoners and Madrians ... Madridites .. the people of Madrid as they're cooped up in a busy tube and anyone there with a backpack could be a bomber, it's pretty easy to ban backpacks from shops.


Well, the point of a terror attack is to inflict the maximum terror, and attacks on crowded trains do that quite nicely. Targeting Walmarts across the country on Black Friday would generate massive levels of terror even if the casualty level is quite low. Or imagine if a suicide bomber targeted the Herald Square Macy's flagship on Black Friday, along with coordinated attacks at other key retailers nationwide in both big cities and small towns. It would grind the entire country to a halt and do massive damage to the retail sector because no one would feel safe in a mall.
 
2013-04-16 04:49:13 AM  

jdhj2: I noticed the smoke too, My first thought was black Powder.


The first thing I thought of was the Black Panthers when I read that. How silly of me. Do you mean musket powder? That would make some sense.
 
2013-04-16 04:52:59 AM  
I deplore violence and am truly sad that innocent people have been killed and maimed. There is, however, a sense of irony that the City of Boston, which for decades turned a blind eye to the slaughter of Irish people by terrorists and raised funds for the IRA, has learned the hard way that life is precious everywhere.
 
2013-04-16 04:57:47 AM  

rynthetyn: Well, the point of a terror attack is to inflict the maximum terror, and attacks on crowded trains do that quite nicely. Targeting Walmarts across the country on Black Friday would generate massive levels of terror even if the casualty level is quite low. Or imagine if a suicide bomber targeted the Herald Square Macy's flagship on Black Friday, along with coordinated attacks at other key retailers nationwide in both big cities and small towns. It would grind the entire country to a halt and do massive damage to the retail sector because no one would feel safe in a mall.


It would certainly be a fillip for Amazon's sales. The IRA (well before the internets) also targeted Harrods, quite effectively in 1983, although it was a massive car bomb outside so did lots of damage. Then they put 1lb of semtex in a trash bin in '93 and injured 4. In '96 a bomb in Manchester destroyed several buildings and caused £1 billion of damage but people still went shopping, just not in that area because of all the buildings that had to be demolished. Luckily no one was killed but over 200 shoppers were injured. I don't think the IRA won much grass roots support on that day.
 
2013-04-16 04:58:45 AM  
Nobody suggested North Koreans yet?
 
2013-04-16 05:02:55 AM  

Jyster: Nobody suggested North Koreans yet?


Well you did...
 
2013-04-16 05:09:09 AM  

rynthetyn: tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: I'm pretty sure you could get a bomb into a sporting event. Maybe not a large bomb, but you could get some sort of explosive device in. The bag checks aren't very thorough, I've smuggled all sorts of things into stadiums just by sticking them in a makeup bag inside my purse. If the goal is terror more than body count, you could definitely get enough explosives in to a stadium if you really wanted to.

I've often wondered why nobody's ever targeted a mall at Christmas time. It's an extremely soft target and holiday shop ...

Are you trying to get on a watch list? Yea I know, when I was a kid and yea terrorism was a thing way back then, I always wondered why somebody didn't rent a helicopter and fly over crowded city streets shooting machine guns.
There are crazies out there. There always has been. Some get funding from nation states some don't.

I'm probably already on somebody's watch list already because of the trips to Turkey and India and the number of times that one of my friends in India (who, for a second strike against him, grew up in Dubai) and I have had IM conversations about this sort of thing, both of us being excessively paranoid and far too aware of potential targets for our own mental health.  Though, in our defense, I've had one too many times where places got hit with terror attacks shortly after I left (the Diwali bombings blew up, among other things, the shop where I bought one of my favorite necklaces, to give one example), he's been within earshot of multiple terrorist attacks in Delhi, and his wife works at the Indian Supreme Court, which gets bombed on a regular basis. All of that is enough to make one a bit paranoid.


Yea, you're a wold traveling girl. I remember talking to a friends new wife, she was from El Salvador. It was tragic and unreal the way she put the stuff that she saw happen.
As US Americans we don't know or understand for the most part. And yea I had a good friend from Yemen who I lost when his father ordered him home to a marry a girl. Sad thing was he was gay and was about to lose his visa because of 9/11 well that was in '03, haven't heard from him since. So much crazy in the world.
 
2013-04-16 05:10:45 AM  
I bet they have a suspect within 48 hours if it is domestic. He probably posted a rant online, has been acting irrational towards his family, friends and neighbors, made a stop somewhere to buy suspicious items on camera.
 
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