thiefofdreams: draa: Void_Beavis: No. There were no dog patrols present at the sites where the bombs went off during the race, nor working up and down the race route during the race checking the crowds out. This was corroborated by several of the eyewitness accounts that I saw tonight interviewed by the reporters. In New York during any major event like this since 9/11 and during major traffic holidays at places like Grand Cental and Penn, there are almost certainly to be seen dog bomb patrols actively seeking out any packages left unattended for just such a thing. Yet to a person (at least from what I saw) at this marathon reported none such patrolling. If this is true, whoever responsible for securing this event needs to be questioned about this and be held accountable. It's rediculous (if true). I mean, yes it's not possible to have a dog patrol in the right place at the right time always but just like any security expert will tell you, securing soft targets like this is all about reducing risks. Having such patrols does that and to not do it is irresponsible.Come on man. We've all been to sporting events and concerts and festivals and there's just no way that you can protect everybody all the time. If there were 1 cop/1 dog every 100 feet today, it would have taken 1000+ of each to cover 26.2 miles. And that's just one side of the street. There's no way you could do it even if you tried. Especially when you have mulitple events going on all around the country at any given time. I understand your point but it really doesn't make sense in these type situations.Everybody is looking for someone to blame but blaming the cops/feds in this type of thing is senseless. There were no advance warnings for people to ignore. There was no clues that people overlooked. It was just one of those "shiat happens" type of things imo. This was something that can happen anywhere at anytime and there's just no way to effectively stop them all. In fact, I think the cops/feds have done a damn good job k ...If you can pin it on security it is a big old bogey man that is government. He really just wants to blame it on Obama but he doesn't have the stones.For one minute can we stop being partisan farktards and just be humans. A tragedy happened today and all of those pointing fingers and screaming racist shiat are not helping. You are putting the country that I love to shame in a horrible display.Thank you to all those praying for the victims and donating to red cross. I am off to give blood tomorrow, not for Boston, but because it is the right thing to do. Perhaps more people should do the right thing, and right now that might mean, shutting up and waiting to find out before going off on Alex Jonesesque tirades.
Begoggle: 100% of "pundits" can go fark themselves.
Cobataiwan: Funny nobody ever says maybe it was a crazy left winger. See, the left wing never ever bombs people. LOL.
Novart: Amos Quito: PunGent: tinyarena: [imageshack.us image 240x285]Fat Boy might want to get real polite.Fat Boy might want to recall that we, the U.S., aren't always entirely rational when we get attacked. Even if it turns out to be domestic nutjobs. We get cranky and irritable and look for something to use all OUR bombs on...Makes ya' prad ta be Uhmericun, don' it?I bet the Jews are behind this.
Void_Beavis: thiefofdreams: draa: Void_Beavis: stuff.
Samwise Gamgee: Void_Beavis:Then why wasn't the trash can removed prior to the race? Again, this sort of thing isn't new.So much of this leads me to believe proper security measures weren't carried out for this event. From several eyewitness accounts saying there was no dog presence to the lax security around removing trash cans... Because if they had removed the trash cans, there'd be farking trash everywhere. Look, dude, you're viewing this incident with the wisdom of hindsight. OF COURSE 'they' could have done this or that which might have prevented things. But the Boston Marathon isn't the only time or place where large groups congregate and could be the victims of shrapnel bombs. Youcan't lock down every aspect of human endeavor. If they took every security precaution you now wish they had taken, bombs would probably have gone off somewhere else instead. Your statement that they should have removed the trash cans for a marathon makes as much sense as the TSA confiscating nail clippers and water bottles. They are both vain attempts to identify security failures in hindsight and are frankly both overreactions. You feel that a bad thing happened, and you're out for blood, looking to blame someone. Blame whoever planted those farking bombs, because they're responsible. Not the poor saps who were tasked with trying to secure a 26 mile long perimeter playing host to thousands of people. There is no way to stop the sort of thing that happened today. Just this past year alone - the Aurora movie theater massacre; the Newton elementary school shootings. Are you going to call for the heads of the movie theater ushers and the one rent-a-cop on duty at the elementary school, too, for their gross security failures? The best you can do is strive to create a world in which people just don't want to do this sort of thing. It's not as easy and quick as 'removing trash cans' but I think you'll find that in the end, nothing else will farking work.
Jaykzo: BSABSVR: Jaykzo: The internet has solved this case long before the MSM or the FBI ever will, those know-nothing dummies[i.imgur.com image 608x612]2 and 6 are both even numbers. EVEN. This is somebody getting even. Another term for getting even is payback. Who starred in payback? Mel Gibson. Half of 26 is 13. What was Mel Gibson in 13 years ago? The Patriot. Patriot Day.This is payback for Mel Gibson's wife not blowing him in the hot tub. Study it out.Can you somehow fit Obama into this? I can't accept your crazy conspiracy theories involving the maiming of American citizens unless you implicate our president in them. Find a way to stuff him into your theory, and I'll ride with you.
Cobataiwan: Dr.Zom: Jesus. Just last month.Domestic terrorism: Study shows sharp rise in extremist 'patriot' groupsResearchers compare this rise in activity to that just before the Oklahoma City bombingMarch 06, 2013http://www.firerescue1.com/homeland-security/articles/1414784-Domest ic -terrorism-Study-shows-sharp-rise-in-extremist-patriot-groups/Srsly, the chances are that this is Islamic terrorism. Check bombings world wide. 90% of them are from Islamic terrorists. You guys keep hoping and hoping. Its quite sick. Who knows maybe your little fantasy will come true this time.
A Fark Handle: Cobataiwan: Funny nobody ever says maybe it was a crazy left winger. See, the left wing never ever bombs people. LOL.it's because they are pansy ass biatchesMore likely they're not authoritarian.
Bonanza Jellybean: [i.imgur.com image 500x467]*sigh*
Cobataiwan: Xcott: InmanRoshi: The entire purpose of an act of political terrorism is to make a statement. Not making the statement to tie it to your politics kinda defeats the purpose.I see your logic and raise you the Atlanta Olympic bombing. Eric Lee Rudolph didn't issue any statement claiming credit, and it was only tied to him one or two years later. His choice of target didn't seem to send a clear political message about anything, and it was anyone's guess why some dude bombed the Olympics.If you have a subculture like the 90s militia subculture or white nationalists, a terrorist act may simply be an attack on the USA, and only intended to have symbolic meaning to other members of the subculture, not for the general public. The OK city bombing was intended to be a signal for other militia types to rise up and revolt against the USA, for example.There was the kid setting pipe bombs off in mail boxes. He wanted to create a smiley face pattern on the maps in the papers.I also notice that everyone seems to "forget" the left wing bombers our country has seen. Those OWS guys that wanted to take down a bridge. The guy who flew into an IRS building who you all assumed was a right winger but his writings all quoted the Communist Manifesto. The shooters at holocaust museum, the environmental nuts, discovery channel shooter etc.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/of_massacres_med ia _myths_iwxYulFJ9jKcrBTk50kpOL
InmanRoshi: Didn't they do precisely that with 9/11?
Void_Beavis: I'm not insinuating a conspiracy theory here. All I'm saying is that if this is true, it seems to indicate some pretty shiatty security precautions for such an event like this.
stainpouch: If the steel bearings/balls come from a claymore, they'll know. I think they were claymores, too.
impaler: Christ, Void_Beavis, is an idiot.
BSABSVR: Jaykzo: The internet has solved this case long before the MSM or the FBI ever will, those know-nothing dummies[i.imgur.com image 608x612]2 and 6 are both even numbers. EVEN. This is somebody getting even. Another term for getting even is payback. Who starred in payback? Mel Gibson. Half of 26 is 13. What was Mel Gibson in 13 years ago? The Patriot. Patriot Day.This is payback for Mel Gibson's wife not blowing him in the hot tub. Study it out.
Void_Beavis: Samwise Gamgee: Void_Beavis:words
InmanRoshi: Xcott: InmanRoshi: The entire purpose of an act of political terrorism is to make a statement. Not making the statement to tie it to your politics kinda defeats the purpose.I see your logic and raise you the Atlanta Olympic bombing. Eric Lee Rudolph didn't issue any statement claiming credit, and it was only tied to him one or two years later. His choice of target didn't seem to send a clear political message about anything, and it was anyone's guess why some dude bombed the Olympics.If you have a subculture like the 90s militia subculture or white nationalists, a terrorist act may simply be an attack on the USA, and only intended to have symbolic meaning to other members of the subculture, not for the general public. The OK city bombing was intended to be a signal for other militia types to rise up and revolt against the USA, for example.I think a lone nutter like Rudolph has to stay quiet because there is no one else to advance the cause if he's caught. If it's a multi-national, muti-facetied organized political organization like Al Qaeda, I imagine they're getting in front of cameras as soon as possible. Didn't they do precisely that with 9/11? The only plausible way I could see this being an international political network is if it's a group that wants to keep their association to themselves (see Pakistani ISI)
shower_in_my_socks: That he's not only alive and well, but also got up and finished the race, is the only warm fuzzy feeling today has given me.
hardinparamedic: homelessdude: Not to be outdone by Jennifer Rubin in the stupid comment department,Cray Cray Cynthia McKinney and her crack band of investigators have figured the whole thing out.[i.imgur.com image 312x450]America can sleep now.holy shiat. That's Alex jones level batshiat right there.Who is that woman?
BSABSVR: Well, who has Mel Gibson got in trouble for blaming things on? The Jews. Who has proven himself no friend to Israel? Obama. A marathon is 26 miles, the Obamas were married 21 years ago. 26-21=5. Malia was born 5 years after the Obamas were married. After Malia came Sasha and then the Obamas took a break from having kids.*Gasp*Obama is framing Mel Gibson to distract us from Sasha's spring break trip, but his unconscious mind can't help but give himself away.
Uranus Is Huge!: My money is on some creepy, loner, white guy that hates the govenrment. I really hope it's not a Muslim. At least we'd have a good shot at attacking the correct country. Best case scenario? North Korea claim responsibility...and is telling the truth. I won't hold my breath.
thiefofdreams: we can either be a free people or a police state
BuckTurgidson: thiefofdreams: we can either be a free people or a police stateor something else.You'll understand once your upgrade downloads - it's a little big, so stay loose and keep tight.
Jaykzo: impaler: Christ, Void_Beavis, is an idiot.How can he be an idiot when he clearly knows exactly who to blame in this situation? Anyone who knows how to prevent a spontaneous act of terror and destruction can not just be called anidiot. Give the man his respect! He and he alone is positive he knows how to prevent these sort of incidents, and he's nice enough to share that knowledge with us Internetters instead of applying his talent as an FBI/DoD/DHS agent.A true patriot!
RatMaster999: Uranus Is Huge!: My money is on some creepy, loner, white guy that hates the govenrment. I really hope it's not a Muslim. At least we'd have a good shot at attacking the correct country. Best case scenario? North Korea claim responsibility...and is telling the truth. I won't hold my breath.I'm kinda hoping that's the case. Even if just to point out that not all Muslims are evil, terroristic sonsabiatches.Plus, if it is just one guy, the chances of him getting caught seem somewhat higher than if he's got a support network behind him.
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Annnnnnnd now a US Blackhawk helicopter just crashed near the North Korean border. Not exactly a slow news day.
Boojum2k: InmanRoshi: Didn't they do precisely that with 9/11?Nope. Al Qaeda always remaisn very cagey about their attacks, they praise them but do not take specific credit for them.
Void_Beavis: During a marathon of this size, the crowd density will be thickest at the starting point, as well as the finish line. Lock down those areas at least. Then work from there. Removing trash cans and placing receptacles in areas which are far from crowds is part of that common sense standard protocol. Having dogs present working through those crowds in those areas searching for unattended packages is another common sense standard protocol. From all indications, neither of these things were performed at this event. If true, it's irresponsible.Now I'm sure you're trolling, so this will be my last response to your idiocy. Please just shut the fark up, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
thiefofdreams: Look we can either be a free people or a police state.
thiefofdreams: Void_Beavis: Samwise Gamgee: Void_Beavis:wordsLook we can either be a free people or a police state. It seems that no matter which we are people biatch. Funny how that works. This event will be used as a catalyst for both extremes. I don't like it much that it will, but it will. You are playing directly into that.Maybe you can direct as much dislike as you have toward the security detail, that you can direct the next Boston Marathon? Maybe just maybe you can use your energy to start a charity to help those in need due to the bomb. You know, instead of sitting on here saying how it is not a conspiracy while it is a conspiracy.
Boojum2k: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Annnnnnnd now a US Blackhawk helicopter just crashed near the North Korean border. Not exactly a slow news day.Aw fark. Really?
shower_in_my_socks: thiefofdreams: Look we can either be a free people or a police state.No. It's not an either/or scenario. You can have proper security and checkpoints at major events like marathons, NFL games, etc. without turning the entire country into a 24/7 police state.
SumoJeb: So next year will be the first annual three-legged Boston memorial marathon?
Godscrack: [img715.imageshack.us image 592x476]
Void_Beavis: fark you asshole
Bennie Crabtree: Thank you Farkers. I had a lot of friends asking where to get information about the bombings and I directed them to your threads on the mainpage. This website is fantastic.Boston must be a very scary palce to be right now. If the library was in fact bombed as well, then who knows what else is rigged. That would make the perpetrator an unpredictable Gotham City style villain. Yikes!
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