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2013-04-15 09:00:12 PM
MC3HFG!
 
2013-04-15 09:00:12 PM

Mojongo: The use of ball bearings as shrapnel sounds similar to the Olympic Park Bomber, Eric Rudolph, who I believe used nails in his backpack bombing attempt to discredit the U.S. in the eyes of the world because of his opposition to abortion. Hopefully the perp/perps of this senseless act of violence will not take as long to catch.


...Unfortunately, this.  (If anything, what's come out about the bomb design and plans show it has a lot of the classic hallmarks of a bomb out of the Army of God terror manual--black powder pipe bomb in a backpack, shrapnel like nails or ball bearings, secondary bombs meant to take out emergency management personnel responding to the first bombing.)

Though I can't say for sure its the Army of God, because a lot of "fellow travellers" of the Army of God have adopted similar tactics, including at least one Christian Identity-linked bomber (whose bomb was fortunately found before they could detonate it...at an MLK Day parade).  The Army of God also does keep some connections with more explicitly tax-protester type "Christian Patriot" militias via the Constitution Party and has picked up at least some of its terminology from Christian Identity groups (the concept of "Phinehas Actions" being a euphemism for domestic terrorism against a targeted group, for one).

That said...I can't say what group this was, but (again, based on my own research on these groups--and this is something I do professionally) if this isn't from SOME far-right group with either a history of domestic terrorism or close connections with a group with a history of domestic terrorism, I'll eat my hat.  (Pretty much my guess is either Army of God (though usually they aren't so tax-protester-type, if it were Army of God it'd have to be a Boston-based cell basing this on Patriot Day...that said, the Army of God DOES have a history of precisely this sort of action aimed at international sports events in crowds, most notoriously the Olympic Park Bombing) or a previously undescribed "Christian Patriot" group either inspired by or actively taking tactics from the Army of God...could be "tax protester", but just as likely could be a particularly nasty bunch of Dominionists With Bombs thinking they'd lead a second American Revolution.)

I also think that--if my "spidey sense" is at all on with this...a lot of far-right extremists are about to have a No-Good, Very Bad Year.  And I think I'm with Grumpy Cat on this:

img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-04-15 09:00:15 PM

Longtime Lurker: Jesus Christ, some guy at the Press Conference just asked if this was all a plot to take our handguns away and to curtail civil liberties.


The curt response was priceless and now they're ignoring him.
 
2013-04-15 09:00:22 PM

shower_in_my_socks: According to the WSJ:  Breaking: Officials found what they believe are five additional, undetonated explosive devices in Boston area.

The bomber(s) only had a 29% success rate with. Even the shoe bomber's like "C'mon, man."


obviously it was domestic terrorism because foreign engineers know how to build things.
 
2013-04-15 09:00:34 PM

fo_sho!: Sid_6.7: PunGent: Again, NO. You're cruising for an ignoring...today is NOT the day for this kind of apologist crap, frankly.

621 people disagree with you.

Permanently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_campa ig n_1969%E2%80%931997#Casualties

There's a difference between being an apologist and pointing out that the IRA was not indiscriminately into terror bombing civilians during the Troubles.

You're also ignoring all the deaths inflicted by the other sides in that conflict.

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles#Casualties

And you know what? The worst bombing that occurred, the one in Omagh, had several telephone calls placed warning well in advance that the bomb was going to go off. There was confusion about where the bomb was on the part of the authorities, and that was what contributed to the casualties.

It was a terrible, reprehensible act, that should not have been done, but still, nevertheless, calls were placed warning about it ahead of time.

Fark off. As someone who lives in the UK at the time, the IRA called in false bomb threats continually so the signal to noise ratio made it a crapshoot.
I lived less than 10 miles from the site of the Warrington bombings, set in trash cans outside stores in a busy shoppi g centre on the Saturday before Mothers Day.
They called in an alert that a bomb had been planted outside Boots - that's like calling in an alert saying there is a bomb by a Walgreens somewhere in the US.
A three year old and an eleven year old were killed, shopping for Mother's Day.
Didn't target civilians - bullshiat.
Then there is the Xmas pub bombing campaign...


There was the time they grabbed a Brit military man who was with his wife and children shopping for shoes. They took him out in the street and shot him to death in front of his family.

Or the two Brits who went for a drive and got lost. And dragged out of their car and beat to death.
 
2013-04-15 09:00:49 PM

skullkrusher: Fark is reporting that the suspect is a Christian Dominionist Muslim Anti-Tax Basque Separatist OWS Ecoterrorist but there is no suspect in custody.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-15 09:01:01 PM

Longtime Lurker: Jesus Christ, some guy at the Press Conference just asked if this was all a plot to take our handguns away and to curtail civil liberties.


It was that "Limo Driver" guy from Howard Stern. He's been changing his MO from phone calls to getting people in news conferences if possible.
 
2013-04-15 09:01:14 PM
Some loon at the latest press conference got the first question.

"Blah derpity blah ....is this another false flag operation to take away our freedom and have homeland security sticking their hands down our pants in the street!?"

Stern look.. "No."

/next
 
2013-04-15 09:01:40 PM
3 dead, 130 injured, reported by CBS Boston
 
2013-04-15 09:01:42 PM

Longtime Lurker: Jesus Christ, some guy at the Press Conference just asked if this was all a plot to take our handguns away and to curtail civil liberties.


Some guy is freaking out about the police commissioner telling people to stay calm as if something is wrong.  Why stay calm? Because farking freaking out would make the investigation harder and create social chaos.
 
2013-04-15 09:01:45 PM

bdub77: AlwaysRightBoy: I've had national guard, bomb sniffing dogs, full assualt weapons and radiation sniffers at Penn Station in NYC since 9/11.

It's called my daily commute.

I remember watching the 60 minutes on NYC security. That city is basically on total lockdown when it comes to terror. Among other measures, they have boats that do nothing but roam around the island of Manhattan looking for unusual radiation signatures.


Couldn't be that old EPA freighter I see twice a day?


Three times as many cops on the street at rush hour.
 
2013-04-15 09:02:02 PM

erveek: Cytokine Storm: Dougie AXP: Someone just asked the governor about it being a false flag op.... ::facepalm::

I was hoping that I had heard that wrong.

I guess not.

I heard it too. Love Gov. Patrick's response: "No."


he's lucky it wasn't menino... guy would have walked out with 2 holes to crap from
 
2013-04-15 09:02:08 PM

WizardofToast: Dougie AXP: Someone just asked the governor about it being a false flag op.... ::facepalm::

If I even run in politics, I will ban all but one independent reporter from ever meeting my conferences. And the media stations will have to pool together the best questions.


You kidding me? If you want your opposition to look like loons, let the loons ask loony questions.
 
2013-04-15 09:02:25 PM

TV's Vinnie: Prepare to soon strip yourselves fully naked at the airport, spreading your asscheeks wide open and bending over goh-tzee style as you slowly march backwards towards the gloved TSA finger into it slides in deep.

/Gonna be a farking field day for every pedophile TSA goon out there.


As an IT consultant, this makes me have a sadface.jpg
 
2013-04-15 09:02:32 PM
Death toll up to three.   Sounds horrible, but I'm wondering if the guy in Pic #8 is one of them.
 
2013-04-15 09:03:12 PM
Here's my take on the likely bombing suspect(s):

FACTS:
Today is Tax Day.
Today is Patriot's Day.
2 bombs fashioned from low-grade (homemade??) explosives are set off in Boston.
Said bombs create a relatively low number of casualties due to the timing of their detonations, indicating a lack of planning or piss-poor planning.

My money is on a white RW male between the ages of 35 & 50, who drank the Tea Party Kool-Aid ("Taxed Enough Already!!!!!11!!!!ELEVENTY!!!") and decided that Boston would make a fine target due to:

1. Site of the Boston Tea Party (Symbolism)
2. Massachusetts (TAXACHUSETTS!!!!) is a blue state.
3. Boston is an exceedingly blue city. (LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!!!!!!)
4. Marathons are typically won by Kenyans or (more recently) northern Africans from predominantly Muslim nations (Take THAT Fartbongo, you Muslim Kenyan Usurper!!)
5. It's Patriot's Day (and what could be more patriotic than rocket's red glare and bombs bursting alongside a marathon course?)
6. "The highest form of patriotic is descent" (And he decided to show his "descent" by blowing shiat up)
Crazy Bomb Guy would have preferred using a rifle, but going up on one of the rooftops with an AR-15 would likely have resulted in him getting his own ass shot and/or arrested, and there is NO WAY a "patriot" like Crazy Bomb Guy is gonna do time in a gubmint prison. (Typical RW lack of willingness to put his own skin in the game)
7. CBG (Crazy Bomb Guy) thought, "I got me all them survival manuals and how-to type books on making stuff go 'boom.' If'n I can't use me a gun, I might as well try making a bomb or two."

I could be wrong, but the crazy all lines up a little too neatly for this to have been done by anyone other than a poorly-educated white dude with a RW axe to grind who listened a little too closely to douchenozzles like Grover Norquist and Dick Armey, as well as nuts like Sharron "Second Amendment Solutions" Angle, not to mention the voices in his head that were screaming "Don't be a pussy - Be a HERO!!!".
 
2013-04-15 09:03:25 PM
I hope the whackjob yelling 'false flag' at the end of that last press conference is identified. WTF was that guy going on about?
 
2013-04-15 09:03:37 PM
I didn't even look at pic 8, and the blood has left my lower legs/feet for about an hour now. Ugh.
 
2013-04-15 09:03:48 PM
Wow, first question to Patrick is whether this is a false flag. What the hell.
 
2013-04-15 09:04:01 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: There was the time they grabbed a Brit military man who was with his wife and children shopping for shoes. They took him out in the street and shot him to death in front of his family.

Or the two Brits who went for a drive and got lost. And dragged out of their car and beat to death.


for being Protestant or Catholic?
 
2013-04-15 09:04:24 PM
I am sure the JFK Conspiracy theorists will wonder if the bombing of the marathon was some kind of "cover" for whatever went down at the JFK Library. Oliver Stone will have to make a new movie now.
 
2013-04-15 09:04:57 PM

LessO2: Death toll up to three.   Sounds horrible, but I'm wondering if the guy in Pic #8 is one of them.


That's what I'm wondering...we'll know certainly over the next few days irregardless of his death or not. We're soon going to know every aspect of his life and his family....
 
2013-04-15 09:05:18 PM
I looked at Picture # 8, because I have a minor in biology and I thought it would be interesting from a clinical perspective.

I can't figure out what all the bits are.

Oh my god. That poor man.
 
2013-04-15 09:05:20 PM

sporkme: "Blah derpity blah ....is this another false flag operation to take away our freedom and have homeland security sticking their hands down our pants in the street!?"

Stern look.. "No."


The governor's a better man, I would've Buzz Aldrin'd the farker.
 
2013-04-15 09:05:23 PM

BrieBelle00: IronTom: BrieBelle00: Al Jazeera's English station is also providing live-feed coverage of everything here:

Link

So?

"So"...? So... so... what? It's a link to a news feed (you know, like the other eleventy billion up there?). I'm not sure what aspect of this your brain is failing to process... sorry.


angry?
 
2013-04-15 09:05:27 PM

Amos Quito: ScaryBottles: Amos Quito: ScaryBottles: Amos Quito: Deducing who the culprits might be in such a situation:

1. TERRORISTS: Look at those who are "most likely" to have reason to commit such an act out of hatred.

2. FALSE FLAG: Look at the ENEMIES of category 1, as they might benefit from creating enemies of their enemies.


In other words, you ask the simple question: WHO BENEFITS?

3. CRAZIES: Consider that it MAY have been committed by one or more lunatics with NO apparent motive other than death and destruction.

Do you really believe that?


What part do you question?

The second and third


For the second, see "False-Flag". Acts committed by one party with the specific intent of having a non-involved third party take the blame, the goal being to give the actual culprit political advantages. In such attacks evidence is often planted implicating the third party. The Reichstag Fire of 1933 Germany is a well known example of a suspected "false-flag" attack.

As to CRAZIES, think Adam Lanza and "Sideshow Bob". These had no clear political motives or "statements" to make, yet they created death and destruction - for no apparent reason.

Need I say more?


Well great news everyone Amos here has it all figured out! No man really thats brilliant I guess we won't need to fill up the whole blackboard after all.
 
2013-04-15 09:05:48 PM
That #8 pic... the dude in the cowboy hat is holding the guy's femoral artery, keeping him from bleeding out.
 
2013-04-15 09:05:50 PM
www.westonsigns.com
 
2013-04-15 09:05:55 PM
There's some asshole at the press conference who just asked the Governor if this was a false flag operation designed to allow homeland security to stick its hands down his pants.

I hope the local police who just picked up the limbs of a child help him out of the press conference.
 
2013-04-15 09:06:01 PM

IlGreven: bdub77: CygnusDarius: The Incredible Sexual Egg: CNN is reporting the BPD put out a report telling people to be on the look out of a black guy with a backpack and an accent....or every cab driver in Boston

I guess it's a bad time to be a back-packing Jamaican.

Or the winner of the marathon. Because not only did your big win get overshadowed by some terrorist attack, you're probably wanted for questioning as a black foreign national.

Actually, it would sort of make sense with someone from Sudan, Uganda, Somalia, or...and brace for the Birfers...Kenya...who had some beef with the US over their handling of East Africa's problems.  Plus, it falls right in line with them being distance runners, thus intimately familiar with marathon routes and procedures.


I don't entirely disagree with you. It wasn't one of the winners though. Could have been one of the runners or their handlers, though I still think that's unlikely. You don't run a marathon and then blow people up. Trust me. There's a good risk you'd get injured or have to go to a medical tent during the race, which happens to the very best of them.

Probably some black foreign national who didn't look out of place carrying a bunch of backbacks at an endurance event with elite runners.
 
2013-04-15 09:06:11 PM
This has been a dark day for Boston.  Except when the explosions went off.  It was pretty bright for a fraction of a second at that time.
 
2013-04-15 09:06:27 PM

erveek: Cytokine Storm: Dougie AXP: Someone just asked the governor about it being a false flag op.... ::facepalm::

I was hoping that I had heard that wrong.

I guess not.

I heard it too. Love Gov. Patrick's response: "No."


sheeple!  of course he would say no!  wake up sheeple!!

/who asks such a stupid question?  and how does such a tard get into the press conference?
 
2013-04-15 09:06:40 PM

DamnYankees: Wow, first question to Patrick is whether this is a false flag. What the hell.


Uh, How could it be "false flag" when nobody has been blamed for it yet? Dosen't the wrong party have to take the blame for that to occur?  Or  maybe I just don't get Deep Tea Thinking.
 
2013-04-15 09:06:40 PM

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I didn't even look at pic 8, and the blood has left my lower legs/feet for about an hour now. Ugh.


I cracked and looked. It wasn't as bad as seeing brain matter on a pizza box after a double-homicide.

/consider the scale, and click appropriately
//I have no idea why it wasn't as bad, but it wasn't
 
2013-04-15 09:06:41 PM

LessO2: Death toll up to three.   Sounds horrible, but I'm wondering if the guy in Pic #8 is one of them.


Almost surely.  He was about to die when the picture was taken.
 
2013-04-15 09:06:58 PM
Wow, this false flag dude is still yelling.
 
2013-04-15 09:07:25 PM

sporkme: Some loon at the latest press conference got the first question.

"Blah derpity blah ....is this another false flag operation to take away our freedom and have homeland security sticking their hands down our pants in the street!?"

Stern look.. "No."

/next


But "No" means "Yes" derpa derpa doing boing.
 
2013-04-15 09:07:26 PM

vudukungfu: TheShavingofOccam123: There was the time they grabbed a Brit military man who was with his wife and children shopping for shoes. They took him out in the street and shot him to death in front of his family.

Or the two Brits who went for a drive and got lost. And dragged out of their car and beat to death.

for being Protestant or Catholic?


off duty British military, I believe. I don't think the crowd bothered to ask.
 
2013-04-15 09:07:38 PM
Samwise Gamgee: Begoggle: locustfajita: religion of peace?

There aren't any.


At least the buddhists typically only immolate themselves.

i.imgur.com

That's a big negatory on that. Common myth.
 
2013-04-15 09:07:47 PM

legion_of_doo: shower_in_my_socks: According to the WSJ:  Breaking: Officials found what they believe are five additional, undetonated explosive devices in Boston area.

The bomber(s) only had a 29% success rate with. Even the shoe bomber's like "C'mon, man."

obviously it was domestic terrorism because foreign engineers know how to build things.


My first thought when reading this was "Man, remember when American Made meant something?"

I might be a bad person...
 
2013-04-15 09:07:50 PM

RockChalkH1N1: Working as tech support in a Verizon Wireless call center... holy crap the calls lit up : (


and how many were "hurr muh  phun dunt werk"
 
2013-04-15 09:08:38 PM

earthwirm: Oliver Stone will have to make a new movie now.


like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443274/  ?
 
2013-04-15 09:08:54 PM

Drone637: legion_of_doo: shower_in_my_socks: According to the WSJ:  Breaking: Officials found what they believe are five additional, undetonated explosive devices in Boston area.

The bomber(s) only had a 29% success rate with. Even the shoe bomber's like "C'mon, man."

obviously it was domestic terrorism because foreign engineers know how to build things.

My first thought when reading this was "Man, remember when American Made meant something?"

I might be a bad person...


You and me both, dude.

Hopefully the bomber/bombers will be going to hell first, though.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:02 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: sporkme: "Blah derpity blah ....is this another false flag operation to take away our freedom and have homeland security sticking their hands down our pants in the street!?"

Stern look.. "No."

The governor's a better man, I would've Buzz Aldrin'd the farker.


You would've been the second man to walk on his face?
 
2013-04-15 09:09:02 PM
Old guy runner who fell is talking on CNN now.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:15 PM
Am I the only one who's noticed that the guy next to the wheelchair in pic #8 is actually squeezing the guy's artery between his fingers to stop the blood?
 
2013-04-15 09:09:18 PM

chopit: LessO2: Death toll up to three.   Sounds horrible, but I'm wondering if the guy in Pic #8 is one of them.

Almost surely.  He was about to die when the picture was taken.


He's in shock, no question.   As long as they tied off his artery, he has a chance.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:33 PM

T.rex: That #8 pic... the dude in the cowboy hat is holding the guy's femoral artery, keeping him from bleeding out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHHWB3Jr60

Quick street interview with cowboy hat guy.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:40 PM

hockeyfarker: what_now: They keep showing this video, and there's an old guy who's 10 feet from the finish and when the bomb hits, he simply collapses. I know it's not the worst thing that happened, but the idea of a guy of advanced years getting hit by shrapnel 10 feet from finishing a marathon... I don't even.

I saw some aftermath pictures, that guy was okay. Well, he wasn't bleeding, eyes were open and alert, cops were helping him, anyways. No shrapnel. Probably couldn't hear shiat though.


He's being interviewed on CNN right now.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:51 PM

way south: Amos Quito: ScaryBottles: Amos Quito: Deducing who the culprits might be in such a situation:

1. TERRORISTS: Look at those who are "most likely" to have reason to commit such an act out of hatred.

2. FALSE FLAG: Look at the ENEMIES of category 1, as they might benefit from creating enemies of their enemies.


In other words, you ask the simple question: WHO BENEFITS?

3. CRAZIES: Consider that it MAY have been committed by one or more lunatics with NO apparent motive other than death and destruction.

Do you really believe that?


What part do you question?

False flags are kinda rare tho. Issue being that these attacks cost alot of money and take alot of effort to carry out.
You don't build a pyramid just to throw the blame on the Romans. You want to be given your due (and show your creditors and supporters your handiwork).

I'm still going with foreign terrorism, and I'll raise that bet to say the people responsible either tried or will try to take credit.
Its probably lost in the chaos but I'd find it odd if they didn't.

/if it was a false flag with no one blamed and no fake video or letter to blame them, that wouldn't make any sense at all.


Ah, but rumor has it that they found a THIRD, unexploded device that could be chock-full of "clues", real or planted.

Given the small size, limited destruction and (apparent) crude nature of the devices, I would think it unlikely that it was either a foreign-sponsored act OR a false-flag, as in either case one would expect more sophistication and effectiveness.

I'm thinking either a lone crazy or possibly a small group of crazies with a "bone to pick", or just wanting to raise hell for the sadistic thrill - like an arsonist might do.

Curiously, most similar events here in the US over the past 10 years have turned out to be clowns that the FBI literally created from scratch - even going so far as to buy their "bombs", pay their rent, buy them phones, etc.

Is it possible that one of the stupid-crazy "terrorists they were trying to set up "got loose?
 
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