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2013-04-15 08:11:05 PM

puffy999: Kibbler: If there had been an effective use of ball bearings as shrapnel, I'm pretty sure there would be more like 100+ dead by now.  It looks to me like these were crude, weak bombs made by morons.

From seeing more pics, I think this may have been the case. More explosives in a more open area, and... yeah, your estimate would have been correct.


I know nothing about how bombs work, so with that in mind: could the bombs have been made weak deliberately to minimize detection with ball-bearings to compensate damage-wise?

And on the "no-one's claimed responsibility" idea, assuming none of the dead were the bombers, mightn't it cause more scare factor for people, if whoever was behind the attack stayed silent?  There's an "enemy", but they remain unknown?  Presumably terrorists' procedures can evolve also.
 
2013-04-15 08:11:24 PM

Felgraf: skullkrusher: Fark is reporting that the suspect is a Christian Dominionist Muslim Anti-Tax Basque Separatist OWS Ecoterrorist but there is no suspect in custody.

Damnit, we farked up that warrant. We didn't even get the country he fled to right!

We're NEVER gonna catch Carmen at this rate!


He's got it all wrong. It's COBRA.
 
2013-04-15 08:11:59 PM

skullkrusher: Fark is reporting that the suspect is a Christian Dominionist Muslim Anti-Tax Basque Separatist OWS Ecoterrorist but there is no suspect in custody.


Tell that to all the Jags insisting that they have Saudi national in custody.
 
2013-04-15 08:12:00 PM

ununcle: It must suck for the person who won this marathon.


Ethiopian guy.  Kenyan came in 2nd.  Insert your own jokes here.
 
2013-04-15 08:12:12 PM

Creoena: Where is this Amaerica place?

[i643.photobucket.com image 480x102]


Clearly, Amaerica is where all the shleeple live.
 
2013-04-15 08:12:27 PM

SnakeLee: netweavr: CNN is reporting ball bearings were used as shrapnel.

Whoever did this watched the movie Swordfish.  I think we can rule out that the suspect is a woman


Someone on my FB feed was speculating if the responsible person was a "domestic terrorist or abroad."

I wanted to post that it probably wasn't abroad as women don't typically do this shiat.
 
2013-04-15 08:12:44 PM

emonk: badhatharry: I understand politically correct sensibilities. However, it is ok to speculate on which assholes did this.  We are not the cops or the media. We are free to say what we think. I want to hear what other people think. That's why I'm here.

Has anyone talked to Richard Jewell yet?


www.newscientist.com


Here is his most recent number give it a shot
 
2013-04-15 08:13:12 PM
I keep thinking that the longer we go without anyone claiming responsibility the more likely it is that it's a home grown variety of nut.  That's based on nothing more than a conversation I remember having about terrorism with an Israeli woman.  It was about an airplane explosion that I remember happened a few weeks before the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing.

She made the point that terrorist groups usually trip over themselves claiming responsibility for these kinds of things because after all, it makes them look good to their followers.
 
2013-04-15 08:13:30 PM
Not to be outdone by Jennifer Rubin in the stupid comment department,
Cray Cray Cynthia McKinney and her crack band of investigators have figured the whole thing out.
i.imgur.com


America can sleep now.
 
2013-04-15 08:13:45 PM
CNN is reporting the BPD put out a report telling people to be on the look out of a black guy with a backpack and an accent....or every cab driver in Boston
 
2013-04-15 08:13:57 PM
Not being American, I am not familiar with your holidays etc. but is it correct this occurred on Tax Day?

In a city once known for its 'patriots' who took a violent stand against taxation but is now a somewhat liberal bastion, to the point of holding a marathon commemorating an event that has been the biggest kick in the nuts to the pro-gun/FREEDOM population of America?

Given all that, but muslims?
 
2013-04-15 08:14:20 PM

meat0918: Creoena: orclover: Creoena: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Ihatenascar: Can we post links to people blaming Muslims and gun control for this?

I got a twofer on my FB feed.

[i.imgur.com image 504x360]

This is my favorite post so far on my FB wall:

[i643.photobucket.com image 464x352]

Can we get a pic without the names blocked?

No reason, just asking.

It's really tempting, but no.

Here's another one from the same uncle, though not as good.  Where is this Amaerica place?

[i643.photobucket.com image 480x102]

This your uncle?

[28.media.tumblr.com image 446x597]


If he had a gun in his free hand then yes.
 
2013-04-15 08:14:40 PM
Fox News coverage has been excellent all day. Then O'Reilly's show starts and I remember what complete shiat stains they have. Peter King is (of COURSE) the first guest, and he KNOWS it is those dirty Muslims and this is why we need to curtail freedom in the United States, but the stupid Liberals JUST WON'T LISTEN.

farking worthless pigs.
 
2013-04-15 08:14:41 PM

Creoena: Here's another one from the same uncle, though not as good.  Where is this Amaerica place?

[i643.photobucket.com image 480x102]


Four misspellings in one run-on sentence. That's....kind of impressive.
 
2013-04-15 08:14:58 PM
Anderson Cooper: Police are on the lookout for a black person with an accent who was at the race...

rbgsocialclub.files.wordpress.com

and who may be very hard to catch.
 
2013-04-15 08:15:13 PM

aedude01: //Working on a terrorism themed script at the moment


Free plot point: The RFID chips attached to runners' shoes were used to trigger the bomb(s).
 
2013-04-15 08:15:14 PM

hardinparamedic: PC LOAD LETTER: hardinparamedic: Ball bearings mean you were planning to murder people on a massive scale. It's not usually the work of some right winged paranoid idiot.

A farking TRUCK filled with fertilizer blew up in OK City and you really think ball bearings makes the slightest bit of a difference?

I didn't say who did it. I said the use of ball bearings is a step up from the typical idiot who downloads the anarchist cookbook.

It indicates a fundamental knowledge of IED design.

And McVeigh was a smart, determined person who had support too. His attack was not a lone wolf.


Thinking up the idea of putting shrapnel in a bomb does not make one an ied expert.
 
2013-04-15 08:15:25 PM

hubiestubert: So far, all my Boston peeps have checked in or been confirmed to be OK.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm not going to pretend that I'm not angry about this. I'm not going to pretend to not want the folks responsible found, but I am going to suggest that maybe we dial back the rage, and not point fingers just yet, until the folks on the ground actually do their jobs. I know that speculation IS something we are all pretty good at, but at this point, things are spotty information-wise, and while there are professional fear mongers who are slathering at the chance to advance their ratings and their own agendas, it would be satisfying as f*ck if we DIDN'T give in to their game. Folks are looking to hop on this event, and ride it for all their worth, and advance as many crack pot theories and conspiracies, and spin human tragedy into their own brand of gold. Let's let folks do their jobs, find the scum responsible, and maybe NOT jump to conclusions until we get something confirmed. Domestic, Islamic, some other brand of terrorist, it is up in the air, and gesticulating wildly doesn't really do any good, nor pointing fingers and getting hett up at idiots who want to pump up "their" side, when the sad fact is, there aren't a lot of sides here. Just a lot of folks who got hurt, and they were our neighbors and friends, and maybe we should find out who did this, before screaming for them to get strung up, and volunteering folks for the gallows early.

Just a thought. Let's get the facts in first. Then maybe we can even bring them to trial, and see justice done. Of course, being Boston, the suspects may just have a serious trip and fall accident on the way to their cell block or even leaving the scene of their arrest, but let's at least give the police and the FBI a chance to identify folks before screaming that ONE side or ANOTHER was responsible.
Just a thought.


Couldn't have said it better myself. There's a reason why you always appear in green.
 
2013-04-15 08:15:26 PM
Le Monde is showing an American flag, drenched in blood.
 
2013-04-15 08:15:49 PM

Amos Quito: Kibbler: If there had been an effective use of ball bearings as shrapnel, I'm pretty sure there would be more like 100+ dead by now.  It looks to me like these were crude, weak bombs made by morons.


FBI recruits?


Bomb experts are claiming that the observed explosions had the hallmarks of a high-power black powder device, and at least one explosion's plume looked like something a pipe bomb would produce.
 
2013-04-15 08:15:56 PM
In all this I understand there can be a desire to document and event, but it disturbs me terribly to see videos and pictures of people in need of help, someone in  moment of distress and pain, instead of a reaction to help they video or stand over them and picture their tragedy.

And much as the comments people make in forums and on this site and on the news site to make light and jokes of other peoples pain and misery I just don't get it, I guess enough people haven't seen violent death and injury of people and children up close to understand the what it does to people to gain some sort of empathy and I hope people never have to but jokes especially when children are injured and killed  just show a lack of humanity and character
 
2013-04-15 08:16:24 PM
I just want to know, are we scared enough to give up the rest of our freedoms?
 
2013-04-15 08:16:36 PM

homelessdude: Not to be outdone by Jennifer Rubin in the stupid comment department,
Cray Cray Cynthia McKinney and her crack band of investigators have figured the whole thing out.
[i.imgur.com image 312x450]

America can sleep now.


holy shiat. That's Alex jones level batshiat right there.

Who is that woman?
 
2013-04-15 08:16:44 PM

vudukungfu: Silly Jesus: Who the hell needs 30 ball bearings?

EXACTLY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Claymore_mine


That uses actual high explosives and non hardened steel balls, whereas this dumbass used hardened steel ball bearings which shatter and gun powder which is subsonic and produces more waste heat and lots of smoke.

"Kincheloe immediately suggested using softer 1/8-inch (3.2 mm) steel "gingle" balls, which were used in the foundry process. They did not spall from the shock of the explosive, but deformed into a useful aerodynamic shape similar to a .22 rimfire projectile. Using a homemade chronograph, the engineers clocked the balls at 3,775 feet (1,151 m) per second. The second change was to use a poured plastic matrix to briefly contain the blast from the explosive, so that more of the blast energy was converted into projectile velocity. After a number of experiments, the engineers settled on Devcon-S steel-filled epoxy to hold the balls in place. With this change, the velocity improved to 3,995 feet (1,218 m) per second.[1]"
 
2013-04-15 08:16:46 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: aedude01: //Working on a terrorism themed script at the moment

Free plot point: The RFID chips attached to runners' shoes were used to trigger the bomb(s).


That's actually pretty good...
 
2013-04-15 08:16:50 PM

The Incredible Sexual Egg: CNN is reporting the BPD put out a report telling people to be on the look out of a black guy with a backpack and an accent....or every cab driver in Boston


I guess it's a bad time to be a back-packing Jamaican.
 
2013-04-15 08:17:04 PM
hardinparamedic: This. Ball bearings mean you were planning to murder people on a massive scale. It's not usually the work of some right winged paranoid idiot.

I think planting farking bombs at the Boston marathon should have been your first clue that this person/persons wanted to murder on a massive scale.
 
2013-04-15 08:17:24 PM

what_now: They keep showing this video, and there's an old guy who's 10 feet from the finish and when the bomb hits, he simply collapses. I know it's not the worst thing that happened, but the idea of a guy of advanced years getting hit by shrapnel 10 feet from finishing a marathon... I don't even.


I saw some aftermath pictures, that guy was okay. Well, he wasn't bleeding, eyes were open and alert, cops were helping him, anyways. No shrapnel. Probably couldn't hear shiat though.
 
2013-04-15 08:17:29 PM

ACunningPlan: I know nothing about how bombs work, so with that in mind: could the bombs have been made weak deliberately to minimize detection with ball-bearings to compensate damage-wise?


I'm sure this place is solidly packed with internet bomb experts who can help you out in your quest for knowledge
 
2013-04-15 08:17:52 PM

cegorach: Not being American, I am not familiar with your holidays etc. but is it correct this occurred on Tax Day?

In a city once known for its 'patriots' who took a violent stand against taxation but is now a somewhat liberal bastion, to the point of holding a marathon commemorating an event that has been the biggest kick in the nuts to the pro-gun/FREEDOM population of America?

Given all that, but muslims?


I wouldn't call it a "holiday"  per se, but, yes, federal income tax returns (or a request for an extension) must be filed or mailed no later than midnight tonight. I think this notion of it being an anti-tax protest are wild speculation.
 
2013-04-15 08:17:52 PM

cegorach: Not being American, I am not familiar with your holidays etc. but is it correct this occurred on Tax Day?

In a city once known for its 'patriots' who took a violent stand against taxation but is now a somewhat liberal bastion, to the point of holding a marathon commemorating an event that has been the biggest kick in the nuts to the pro-gun/FREEDOM population of America?

Given all that, but muslims?


The marathon actually has nothing to do with Tax Day. It's falls on Patriot's Day, commemorating the battles of Lexington and Concord that kicked off the Revolutionary War.

I blame the British
 
2013-04-15 08:18:22 PM

mediablitz: Fox News coverage has been excellent all day. Then O'Reilly's show starts and I remember what complete shiat stains they have. Peter King is (of COURSE) the first guest, and he KNOWS it is those dirty Muslims and this is why we need to curtail freedom in the United States, but the stupid Liberals JUST WON'T LISTEN.

farking worthless pigs.


Why Peter King of all people? Didn't he farking support the IRA and not even own up to it? Get that Louie Gohmert loon. At least 'terror babies' isn't as infuriating.
 
2013-04-15 08:18:37 PM

ACunningPlan: I know nothing about how bombs work, so with that in mind: could the bombs have been made weak deliberately to minimize detection with ball-bearings to compensate damage-wise?


I'm just speculating, but it seems that a bomb that would've had enough firepower to blow... "through" more stuff would not have been too terribly difficult to sneak by, if they made it this far.

I'd imagine someone who knew more would have created much more damaging devices... not that these weren't damaging, but it seems that at least one blast was forced upward a bit instead of outward (say, inside of a garbage can or blocked by people/stuff), which may have saved some casualties.
 
2013-04-15 08:18:43 PM

cegorach: Not being American, I am not familiar with your holidays etc. but is it correct this occurred on Tax Day?

In a city once known for its 'patriots' who took a violent stand against taxation but is now a somewhat liberal bastion, to the point of holding a marathon commemorating an event that has been the biggest kick in the nuts to the pro-gun/FREEDOM population of America?

Given all that, but muslims?


Bush's policy of fear did a lot of damage. I can't get a church full of progressive, reasonable, well-educated people to even consider the idea of acknowledging a Muslim holiday because of the knee-jerk fear reaction they caused.

/and yeah, I'd be willing to bet the average American hates Muslims more than taxes. . .
//I need some alcohol and a big fat bowl, and too broke for either
 
2013-04-15 08:18:56 PM
i.chzbgr.com

Anyone who's already at the blaming stage just sounds like this to me.

/hotlinked
//maybe it was space aliens.
///such a sad, sad day :(
 
2013-04-15 08:19:15 PM

CygnusDarius: The Incredible Sexual Egg: CNN is reporting the BPD put out a report telling people to be on the look out of a black guy with a backpack and an accent....or every cab driver in Boston

I guess it's a bad time to be a back-packing Jamaican.


Or the winner of the marathon. Because not only did your big win get overshadowed by some terrorist attack, you're probably wanted for questioning as a black foreign national.
 
2013-04-15 08:19:33 PM
The use of ball bearings as shrapnel sounds similar to the Olympic Park Bomber, Eric Rudolph, who I believe used nails in his backpack bombing attempt to discredit the U.S. in the eyes of the world because of his opposition to abortion. Hopefully the perp/perps of this senseless act of violence will not take as long to catch.
 
2013-04-15 08:19:38 PM

FrancoFile: Le Monde is showing an American flag, drenched in blood.


That guy who is holding up the flag is the same guy who was helping the guy in the "Picture #8" from the previous thread.
 
2013-04-15 08:19:44 PM

Mad Tea Party: hardinparamedic: This. Ball bearings mean you were planning to murder people on a massive scale. It's not usually the work of some right winged paranoid idiot.

I think planting farking bombs at the Boston marathon should have been your first clue that this person/persons wanted to murder on a massive scale.


Not necessarily.

In this political and cultural climate, all you'd need is a blast with noise to incite terror.
 
2013-04-15 08:19:48 PM

gadian: cretinbob: gadian: LessO2: Christ, if this picture is real, it's heartbreaking.

It certainly looks like an eight year-old.

Pic is SFW, just heartbreaking.

That's no 8 yr old, dude.

look underneath..........

I did.  Underneath does not appear to be an 8 yr old.  The outfit / shoes are too big and ugly for an 8 yr old.  More like some fastfood worker.


It's not an 8-year-old, it's an adult woman missing the entirety of her right leg. She's still a live in that photo, so that's good. Someone else posted the pic and it got deleted because ew, gross. NSFW, obviously.
 
2013-04-15 08:20:10 PM

hardinparamedic: homelessdude: Not to be outdone by Jennifer Rubin in the stupid comment department,
Cray Cray Cynthia McKinney and her crack band of investigators have figured the whole thing out.
[i.imgur.com image 312x450]

America can sleep now.

holy shiat. That's Alex jones level batshiat right there.

Who is that woman?


A former congresswoman from Georgia.
 
2013-04-15 08:20:35 PM
If any good can come of this is that Mayor Mumble Mouth will get some national exposure before he retires.  The man is comedy gold.
 
2013-04-15 08:20:51 PM

hardinparamedic: PC LOAD LETTER: hardinparamedic: Ball bearings mean you were planning to murder people on a massive scale. It's not usually the work of some right winged paranoid idiot.

A farking TRUCK filled with fertilizer blew up in OK City and you really think ball bearings makes the slightest bit of a difference?

I didn't say who did it. I said the use of ball bearings is a step up from the typical idiot who downloads the anarchist cookbook.

It indicates a fundamental knowledge of IED design.

And McVeigh was a smart, determined person who had support too. His attack was not a lone wolf.


McVeigh learned to make the amoniom nitrate/ diesel fuel mix in the army. 'Round here they used to blow up beaver dams with it at the local base. Adding shrapnel to a bomb ( in this case I'm wondering if it was black powder, because of the smoke) is an old idea and people use nails, screws, or any bits of metal they can get.
 
2013-04-15 08:20:57 PM

hardinparamedic: homelessdude: Not to be outdone by Jennifer Rubin in the stupid comment department,
Cray Cray Cynthia McKinney and her crack band of investigators have figured the whole thing out.
[i.imgur.com image 312x450]

America can sleep now.

holy shiat. That's Alex jones level batshiat right there.

Who is that woman?


She was a politician that was a Democratic representative for awhile. She believed a lot of crazy shiat like the Department of Defense killing 5000 people in the Katrina aftermath. Her father even blamed the Jews for her losing one election.

As a Democrat, I'm extremely sorry she somehow got in.
 
2013-04-15 08:21:04 PM
Ugh, it's saying it's a non-fetchable URL. But it's definitely the person under that man, she's alive, and she's missing all of her right leg.
 
2013-04-15 08:21:10 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: vudukungfu: Silly Jesus: Who the hell needs 30 ball bearings?

EXACTLY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Claymore_mine

That uses actual high explosives and non hardened steel balls, whereas this dumbass used hardened steel ball bearings which shatter and gun powder which is subsonic and produces more waste heat and lots of smoke.

"Kincheloe immediately suggested using softer 1/8-inch (3.2 mm) steel "gingle" balls, which were used in the foundry process. They did not spall from the shock of the explosive, but deformed into a useful aerodynamic shape similar to a .22 rimfire projectile. Using a homemade chronograph, the engineers clocked the balls at 3,775 feet (1,151 m) per second. The second change was to use a poured plastic matrix to briefly contain the blast from the explosive, so that more of the blast energy was converted into projectile velocity. After a number of experiments, the engineers settled on Devcon-S steel-filled epoxy to hold the balls in place. With this change, the velocity improved to 3,995 feet (1,218 m) per second.[1]"




Thankfully these people are usually retards. It looks like he used the most inefficient materials possible in an inefficient array. We can only hope people in the future are this bad.

/Chem Engineer
 
2013-04-15 08:21:15 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: That uses actual high explosives and non hardened steel balls, whereas this dumbass used hardened steel ball bearings which shatter and gun powder which is subsonic and produces more waste heat and lots of smoke.


didn't say they knew what they were doing.
just an observation.
 
2013-04-15 08:21:18 PM

cig-mkr: Bomb, Tax Day, Coincidence?
I'm thinking homegrown.


Also in Boston, Patriot's Day.  IF what NPR is reporting about there being no chatter on intelligence channels about the attack, I could see a homegrown loner nut.  As far as I can tell, nobody definitely knows what happened yet.

Here's an NBCNews link:  http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/15/17766043-big-question-lone - wolf-bomber-or-organized-terrorism?lite relating to the question of whether it was a lone wolf or organized terrorism (which suggests more than one person).
 
2013-04-15 08:21:26 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: aedude01: //Working on a terrorism themed script at the moment

Free plot point: The RFID chips attached to runners' shoes were used to trigger the bomb(s).


You are one devious sumbiatch.
 
2013-04-15 08:21:32 PM

theotherles: cretinbob: [img.wonkette.com image 500x375]

yeah I know ...filter...blah blah blah. We need some levity.

I'm allergic to cats.


That's fine.
 
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