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(Huffington Post)   Just as the Founders had hoped, many online firearms dealers prefer to accept payment in anonymous, untraceable bitcoins   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 125
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2013-04-15 11:24:31 PM
I enjoy using Republicans' anti-healthcare arguments against them, and ask where the word "gun" appears in the Constitution.
 
2013-04-15 11:43:41 PM

Giltric: HA!

Subby has confused scammers/law enforcement stings with online firearm dealers.


Subby's headline accurately represents the content of TFA. So yell at HuffPo if you want someone to yell at.
 
2013-04-15 11:45:26 PM

heavymetal: What will make it even more hilarious is when those scammed start whining for the very government whose laws they were trying to circumvent, to use those same laws to help them get their money back; then finding out they can't.


This is one of the best thing about bitcoins: Those that are scammed will,from what I've seen,continue to defend whoever scammed them. It's a con artists dream come true.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:19 AM

A Terrible Human: heavymetal: This whole "bitcoin" thing seems like some sort of scam to me waiting to be committed.  The whole basis of a fiat currency is you have the economy of a nation to back its worth.  With the bitcoin, its value seems to be based on the perceived value by those who participate in it.  From this article and others it seems that the bicoin is the preferred currency by the more shady elements of the internet marketplace.  So by putting your faith in the bitcoin you are putting your faith in a currency backed by the "word" and "credibility" of some people with a questionable value system.

It is a giant scam which is what makes it so hilarious to watch,well besides the fact that libertarian ideas tried for real are hilarious anyways.


Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.

I'm willing to bet you don't don a magical blue costume, and get all staby or shooty with your spouse and friends. You just behave like a decent person like the rest of us, and allow folks to hang out with you or avoid you as they see fit. So socially, you're a libertarian.

What about when you're under the covers with your significant other? Consentual and voluntary, which makes it a libertarian-style sexual relationship! Anything else, and you're...not a nice person.

But lets say you got together with a bunch of your friends and started issuing proclamations; it wouldn't magically change your situation and allow you to start acting differently. You wouldn't pretend your neighbors were bound by your decisions.

Even if they DID agree to follow you, you certainly wouldn't try and bind their children to the agreements of their parents.

None of this changes whether it's only you, or you and 10 of your friends, or you and 100,000,000 supporters.

See, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.
 
2013-04-16 12:20:32 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.


If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

So you see, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.
 
2013-04-16 12:36:39 AM

schrodinger: Lawyers With Nukes: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.

If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

So you see, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.


Sorry Schrodinger, you're confused.

The common theme amongst libertarian ideals is the non-initiation of force against peacful individuals.

Only one out of your seven examples adheres to this. Can you figure out which one? :)
 
2013-04-16 12:43:09 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: schrodinger: Lawyers With Nukes: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.

If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

So you see, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.

Sorry Schrodinger, you're confused.

The common theme amongst libertarian ideals is the non-initiation of force against peacful individuals.

Only one out of your seven examples adheres to this. Can you figure out which one? :)


Bitcoin is a bullshiat scam backed by idiotic libertarians who hump the air where Ron Paul and Ayn Rand have farted.
 
2013-04-16 12:53:01 AM

A Terrible Human: Lawyers With Nukes: schrodinger: Lawyers With Nukes: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.

If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

So you see, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.

Sorry Schrodinger, you're confused.

The common theme amongst libertarian ideals is the non-initiation of force against peacful individuals.

Only one out of your seven examples adheres to this. Can you figure out which one? :)

Bitcoin is a bullshiat scam backed by idiotic libertarians who hump the air where Ron Paul and Ayn Rand have farted.


TH, I deserved that since I called you stupid. I apologize. This might be Fark, but I shouldn't let it get the best of me. See you in the next thread.
 
2013-04-16 01:20:47 AM

A Terrible Human: heavymetal: What will make it even more hilarious is when those scammed start whining for the very government whose laws they were trying to circumvent, to use those same laws to help them get their money back; then finding out they can't.

This is one of the best thing about bitcoins: Those that are scammed will,from what I've seen,continue to defend whoever scammed them. It's a con artists dream come true.


You are right; and while defending the scammers they will blame their loss on some crazy government conspiracy theory.
 
2013-04-16 01:23:21 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: TH, I deserved that since I called you stupid. I apologize. This might be Fark, but I shouldn't let it get the best of me. See you in the next thread.


You too. :)
 
2013-04-16 01:32:11 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: schrodinger: Lawyers With Nukes: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.

If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

So you see, you've been a wacko libertarian all along, and you didn't even know it.

Sorry Schrodinger, you're confused.

The common theme amongst libertarian ideals is the non-initiation of force against peacful individuals.

Only one out of your seven examples adheres to this. Can you figure out which one? :)


All of them abide by the non-initiation of force.  For instance, according to Ron Paul, the civil rights act was terrible, the confederates were right during the civil war, and female employees are the ones to blame for sexual harassment for not simply quitting their jobs.  Tax cuts for wealthy corporations is standard libertarian policy, and watering down penicillin is buyer beware.

The only questionable one is dumping toxic waste into rivers, and that's  only if the victims can prove direct financial damages in a court of law.  Which is highly unlikely, because I have plausible deniability.
 
2013-04-16 02:26:35 AM
Shrodinger, you're all over the map now. First off, Ron Paul is a Republican. You've only addressed six out of seven items, and a couple of the ones you did address have been changed!

Also, I don't know if you're criticizing Ron Paul, or me, or if these are your own views? Rape is not force? Fraud is okay? You can do better than this!

3/10 - Please see me after class.
 
2013-04-16 02:40:47 AM

schrodinger: Sigh...you try libertarian ideas all the time in your daily life, you're just too stupid to realize it.


Sigh, I must not be a wacko libertarian:

If you ever refused to serve black people in your restaurant, you're a libertarian..

Most libertarian idea on this list; it's certainly not mandatory and might result in you going bankrupt though.

If you've ever dumped toxic waste into the rivers, you're a libertarian.

Dumping toxic waste into the rivers harms those downstream, which makes it a form of violence against them, hope you like getting your finances raped in court over the compensation.  Or standardized fines from the government to pay for your actions, seeing as how court cases are expensive and take too long.

If you've ever intentionally lobbied for tax subsidies for oil companies, you're a libertarian.

As a libertarian, I don't care whether it's personal or company, I'm against subsidies.  I also take the radical position that companies aren't people, darn it.  A company can't commit a crime; the executives in charge can.

If you've ever sold watered down penicillin to a children' hospital, you're a libertarian.

Contract violation if they thought they were buying purer stuff.  Again, epic liability.

If you've ever coerced an employee into having sex with you at the threat of termination, you're a libertarian.

Probably going to land you in contract violation hot waters again.  One of my ideas, that's a little less mainstream libertarian, is the idea of 'standardized contracts'.  IE you don't want to have to scrutinize the fine print and remember the details between purchasing stuff at Sears, Walmart, K-Mart, or the local small store.  As such you have 'assumed' contracts that, for example, ban demanding sex for continued employment unless there's a specific clause in the personalized employment contract with the employee's initials/signature beside it.

If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

People can't be owned.
 
2013-04-16 02:45:25 AM

Firethorn: If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

People can't be owned.


You're just not libertarian enough. I own me. If I want to sell myself into slavery, that's my right.
 
2013-04-16 02:48:27 AM

CorporatePerson: Firethorn: If you've ever thought that slavery should be up to the states to decide, you're a libertarian.

People can't be owned.

You're just not libertarian enough. I own me. If I want to sell myself into slavery, that's my right.


You make a point, but as a matter of course I'd tend to make it difficult to do, and relatively easy to get out of.  IE declare bankruptcy, you get a judge looking through all your contractual obligations, tossing 'abusive' ones first.
 
2013-04-16 02:48:31 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: Shrodinger, you're all over the map now. First off, Ron Paul is a Republican. You've only addressed six out of seven items, and a couple of the ones you did address have been changed!

Also, I don't know if you're criticizing Ron Paul, or me, or if these are your own views? Rape is not force? Fraud is okay? You can do better than this!

3/10 - Please see me after class.


Ron Paul was the libertarian candidate for 1988.  So yeah, he's a libertarian.

The list had six items to start with.

Please explain how threatening someone with unemployment, even for bad reasons, counts as force under libertarianism.  Since when do libertarians support labor rights?

Fraud isn't allowed, but libertarianism has no guidelines about lies by omission.  You can also include things like "If you want to sell tainted meat."
 
2013-04-16 02:57:40 AM

schrodinger: Ron Paul was the libertarian candidate for 1988.  So yeah, he's a libertarian.


Ron Paul is complicated for me.  On the one hand he fits me better than Bush, Obama, or Kerry.  On the other, well, he's a nut.  I'd REALLY like to disclaim him, but then I run into 'no true Scotsman' fallacies.

I'll simply say that I consider myself a 'moderate' libertarian for a reason - I ID with the party not because I fit their beliefs 100%, but merely that they're closer to anybody else.  It doesn't help that my beliefs sometimes change when new information is gained.  I was a lot nastier when I was younger, for example.

Fraud isn't allowed, but libertarianism has no guidelines about lies by omission.  You can also include things like "If you want to sell tainted meat."

Which is why you SPECIFY things.  If I'm buying drugs, it should say on the bottle what's in there.  If it doesn't, I'm not buying it.  If it's lying about what's on the bottle, that's a serious contract violation.  Then you get into the 'standardized contracts', which would handle the nitty-gritty details 99% of the time, so I don't need to spend an hour examining the fine print when I buy a bottle of aspirin.  Benefits both sides just by easing contractual friction.
 
2013-04-16 03:29:56 AM

Firethorn: Which is why you SPECIFY things.  If I'm buying drugs, it should say on the bottle what's in there.


Government can't force you to say something on the bottle. You're a free man. You don't deserve to be held at gun point just because some bureaucrat says you didn't put the right thing on your label.
 
2013-04-16 03:42:42 AM

Firethorn: If I'm buying drugs, it should say on the bottle what's in there. If it doesn't, I'm not buying it. If it's lying about what's on the bottle, that's a serious contract violation.


You've never dealt with research chemicals have you? Yeah if you order MXE your shipment will have the chemical fact sheet with it,lol if they're not completely lying about what they're sending you,and say NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION on it. If you buy something like synthetic pot you won't know what farked up thing they've sprayed it with,unless of course you've bought the chemical yourself and made your own, but the package will say it isn't for human consumption. And honestly you won't be able to track the vendor down if they've lied or anything,the closest you'll get to shaming them is on safe or scam. Now otc meds like cough syrup are regulated by the FDA,which is what you're talking about. Curiously enough vitamins and supplements aren't regulated by the FDA.
Also I've never understood the appeal of Silk Road. I mean yeah ordering drugs,not rc's,online has an appeal to it,not having to deal with shady motherfarkers in person is one but who's to say half the dealers on there aren't sting operations by various three letter government agencies? Or just like rc's what keeps anyone on there from selling bullshiat in place of real drugs? Like selling one of the 25-whatever's as LSD or offering ketamine for sale but it's really MXE?
/Considering the commercials for recalls and by my own mom having a faulty bladder mesh it doesn't seem like the FDA does any good.
 
2013-04-16 04:34:21 AM

A Terrible Human: You've never dealt with research chemicals have you? Yeah if you order MXE your shipment will have the chemical fact sheet with it,lol if they're not completely lying about what they're sending you,and say NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION on it. If you buy something like synthetic pot you won't know what farked up thing they've sprayed it with,unless of course you've bought the chemical yourself and made your own, but the package will say it isn't for human consumption.


Your entire post seems to have less to do with 'research chemicals' than illegal drugs, and the attempts to bypass illegal drug laws.  One of the reasons I'm with the libertarian party is that I want to legalize recreational drugs because I believe that you have a very similar situation with 'the war on drugs' as you did with prohibition.  The WoD is not only ineffective at preventing the ills of drug abuse, it exasperates them at great cost.

Make the stuff legal, make it so you CAN mark it for 'human consumption'(if slavered with warnings), and a lot of the problems would go away.  For that matter, why bother with synthetic pot if you can get the real stuff legally and therefore easily enough?

Yes, I've dealt with 'research chemicals', of course I wasn't dealing with them for the purposes of making things for consumption, but I have no reason to believe that the chemicals sold to me were anything but what was on the label - and extremely pure variants at that.  It's what you get when you buy from legal, reputable companies.

In lolbertarian land reputation of your company is everything, but even here it's important.
 
2013-04-16 05:54:57 AM
Firethorn: Most libertarian idea on this list; it's certainly not mandatory and might result in you going bankrupt though.

Sure, 60 years after the CRA passed and it's been codified in the American way of life, you can argue that companies who deviate from the CRA would go out of business.  That does not, however, mean that the same companies would go bankrupt if the CRA never existed in the first place.

Dumping toxic waste into the rivers harms those downstream which makes it a form of violence against them, hope you like getting your finances raped in court over the compensation.

Prove it.  Show me exactly how my toxic waste results in direct financial damage for yourself.  As long as the symptoms aren't unique, I have reasonable doubt.  And very, very few symptoms are completely unique.

As a libertarian, I don't care whether it's personal or company, I'm against subsidies.

I specifically said tax subsidies.  You don't believe that corporations should get more tax breaks?  Does the mainstream libertarian party agree with that?

Contract violation if they thought they were buying purer stuff.  Again, epic liability.

Hospital failed to read the fine print allowing me to substitute a lower dosage in cases of financial distress.

Probably going to land you in contract violation hot waters again.

If employees had enough power to insert an "no sexual harassment" clause into their contract, then it's doubtful that the boss would be sexually harassing them in the first place.

People can't be owned.

And yet the 1988 libertarian candidate for president spoke in front of a confederate flag defending the confederation.
 
2013-04-16 06:41:53 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Doktor_Zhivago: BraveNewCheneyWorld: By all means, try that out and chronicle your adventure for us.

I've bought several pistols though classified.  Cash.  And I wasn't even ID'd and the transactions are 100% legal in the state of TN.  But yeah, tell me how crazy I am.

I live in PA, where until recently if your CC was denied you could get one from Florida via mail order...

So that's crazy.  Especially considering that in PA you can own whatever you want, up to 40mm.  But I can't transfer any of my weapons to anyone except a family member without a background check via a registered dealer.

/NTTAWWT


So much fail pretending to be fact. Until recently, if your LTCF (not a CC) was denied, you could apply for one from Florida by sending them paperwork, a copy of your fingerprints, and doing a background check and safety course, which is more difficult than getting one in PA. This was a reasonable option for people who were denied the license for reasons like not paying parking tickets in Philly.

And you can't transfer pistols to all family members, just direct parent/child, grandparent/grandchild, and spouses. For long guns, no transfer is required, which could be both anonymous and with any fom of payment agreed upon, just like the founders would have wanted.
 
2013-04-16 08:21:25 AM
I like your style, gun-fappers.
Keep saying things.
 
2013-04-16 09:50:10 AM

pdee: As always a headline from a fark lib is a bold face lie.


7/10

the misspelling was a nice touch.
 
2013-04-16 12:26:02 PM

jigger: Something like that (and silk road) have to operate purely on reputation of each seller. You might get scammed by someone with no reputation, but you would give them a bad review telling everyone they are a scammer. So, scamming someone in this way would work exactly once.


Yeah, in theory that is how ebay is supposed to work, in practice scammers keep on scamming, there are plenty of ways to game  the review system.
 
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