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(New Europe)   World-famous Turkish pianist, Fazil Say, sentenced over blasphemy on Twitter. An Istanbul court gave him a 10-month prison sentence, then suspend it on condition that he does not commit the same crime again. Otherwise it will be 5 years for you mate   (neurope.eu ) divider line
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2013-04-15 11:28:00 AM  
Fazil Say what?
 
2013-04-15 11:33:08 AM  
How dare he insult my imaginary friends!
 
2013-04-15 11:33:33 AM  
Five years is better than eternity. Maybe he'll learn his lesson and straighten out.
 
2013-04-15 11:35:14 AM  
Would it actually be a 5-year sentence for a second offense, or just the original 10 month sentence if he commits the same "crime" anytime in the next 5 years?
 
2013-04-15 11:35:47 AM  
That's nobody's business but the Turks.
 
2013-04-15 11:37:53 AM  
Good riddance! What an ass. I saw him in Geneva. He is no Richter, or Cliburn.
 
2013-04-15 11:37:53 AM  
I love the fact that TFA goes to 'New Europe.'  I used to think the Europeans were wrong and discriminatory in excluding Turkey.  Erdogan has convinced me that I was wrong.
 
2013-04-15 11:39:06 AM  
In America, you have the right to face your accuser. God never shows up. Case dismissed.
 
2013-04-15 11:41:50 AM  
Now someone tell Michelle Shocked about freedom of speech.
 
2013-04-15 11:45:03 AM  

seadoo2006: That's nobody's business but the Turks.

If Turks wanna get into the EU they gotta allow freedumb of speech :D

 
2013-04-15 11:47:14 AM  
i171.photobucket.com

I think we've heard enough out of you, Mr. Potty Mouth.
 
2013-04-15 11:47:17 AM  
Fazil caught Say of.

/you're all slipping
 
2013-04-15 11:49:17 AM  
FTA:  "The fact that I was given a sentence despite my innocence is cause for concern with regard freedoms of expression and belief," the musician highlighted.

Well, no, you weren't innocent.

Now, the fact that there's a law against blasphemy is cause for concern etc, but he wasn't actually innocent.  It is nice to know that every nation's band of theocrats behave similarly, though, with equal disregard for fact or other points of view.  I feel less alone, but I'm not sure how I feel about that diminishing American exceptionalism.
 
2013-04-15 11:49:18 AM  

kobrakai: Now someone tell Michelle Shocked about freedom of speech.


Remember when it was the Dixie Chicks who got in hot water for shooting off their mouths and they became heroines among the chattering classes?  Good times, good times.
 
2013-04-15 11:50:59 AM  

Wolfmanjames: I used to think the Europeans were wrong and discriminatory in excluding Turkey. Erdogan has convinced me that I was wrong.


Same here, and it might still be fair to say Europe WAS being a bit unfair until Erdogan showed up and had to go around and totally Erdogan'd the place.
 
2013-04-15 11:51:44 AM  
Is he 12 inches?
 
2013-04-15 11:54:56 AM  
Blasphemy? Did he claim that a Bechstein has better tonal quality than a Bosendorfer?
 
2013-04-15 11:57:33 AM  
I really wish the military had succeeded in overthrowing Erdogan. Turkey would have been better off for it.
 
2013-04-15 12:03:57 PM  
So glad we don't have blasphemy laws in the USA.  Yet.

Jesus tapdancing Christ on a wheat thin.
 
2013-04-15 12:05:48 PM  
Would the US implode if Congress declared that not worshiping God is a felony?
 
2013-04-15 12:05:50 PM  
Article doesn't make sense.

That other example, the Nobel winner, put the country, not the religion in a bad light.

But for religion, Turkey's government is officially atheist since their revolution. The pianist's crime seems more like trolling big time in a country where the islamic call to prayer is heard everywhere in the big cities.

Who wants the expense of paying for extra security because a famous artist is doing some recreational trolling? Especially if keeping an absolute separation of church and state is much more difficult than playing cat and mouse with the protestant version of the ten commandants on a statehouse lawn.
 
2013-04-15 12:06:00 PM  
In another Twitter message, Say joked about the rapid call to prayer at a nearby mosque, suggesting that the announcer was running late for a drink.

That's actually pretty funny.
 
2013-04-15 12:06:57 PM  
My GED was not in Turkish constitutional law, but isn't this the kind of thing Ataturk was against?

Anyway, maybe everybody who objects to this kind of shiat should leave the country. Emigration can be fun. We have lots of unused land in North Dakota they could have, and they should be given a chance to restore Detroit.

And all right-thinking Americans should welcome such refugees from "Islamo-fascism" and from every country groaning under religious tyranny (such as Israel, e.g.), because as every good patriot knows the USA is a secular republic with Constitutional guarantees against such oppression. We should welcome not only secularists and atheists but also members of small and persecuted "heretical cults" who'll find here the opportunity to practice their religion in peace, provided only that they recognize everybody else's right to do the same: the Alawis of Syria might find safety here without the hassles of defending a police state against a civil war.
 
2013-04-15 12:08:13 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com

/pianist
 
Ehh
2013-04-15 12:09:34 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: So glad we don't have blasphemy laws in the USA.  Yet.

Jesus tapdancing Christ on a wheat thin.


This. The fundies want power, and they will never stop seeking it. They have to be resisted, kind of like that time Muhammed resisted the temptation to sing "It's Not Unusual" when he was out drinking and singing karaoke with his gay buddies.
 
2013-04-15 12:13:18 PM  
He's supposed to be very good with a knife. But only in matters of business, or of some sort of reasonable complaint.
 
2013-04-15 12:14:05 PM  
This kind of thing is far from "silly". Turkey is supposed to be a model Muslim-majority country in the area that separates religion and politics, but they still shut people up under the guise of "insulting Islam". In general, blasphemy laws can be used as a political tool to jail your opposition, which is why these stories disturb me.
 
2013-04-15 12:15:06 PM  
What's so blasphemous about him saying " gone, gone the form of man..."
 
2013-04-15 12:17:30 PM  

the_chief: In America, you have the right to face your accuser. God never shows up. Case dismissed.


The rules are different when religion is involved.  Remember the Pussy Riot case in Russia?  According to media reports, one of the main witnesses against the ladies wasn't there, but merely heard about their actions.

At least in Russia they went to the trouble of holding a "show trail."  In Pakistan, the mere accusation of blasphemy is enough to drive mobs of people to violence, up to and including burning entire villages.

And. lets not forget our nation's history of burning witches. It has gotten better, but we still have a long way to go...  For example, in some southern states, including Tennessee, it is illegal (in the State's Constitution but not enforced) for an atheists to hold public office or sit on a jury.  The interesting part is a prostitute (a profession most consider unethical) could still hold public office and sit on a jury.  I guess our legislator look at allowing prostitutes to do the same is professional curtsey.
 
2013-04-15 12:25:15 PM  

Gijick: This kind of thing is far from "silly". Turkey is supposed to be a model Muslim-majority country in the area that separates religion and politics, but they still shut people up under the guise of "insulting Islam". In general, blasphemy laws can be used as a political tool to jail your opposition, which is why these stories disturb me.


Turkey is a NATO country. Oh boy.
 
2013-04-15 12:26:41 PM  
Thinnest-skinned Religion Ever.
 
2013-04-15 12:27:15 PM  
i48.tinypic.com
Can sympathize.
 
2013-04-15 12:31:40 PM  
BitwiseShift:

But for religion, Turkey's government is officially atheist since their revolution.

Not exactly officially atheist -- Atheism is not the Official Religion either -- but secular. Or at least as secular as they could get away with in a backward country like Turkey before WW2.


The pianist's crime seems more like trolling big time in a country where the islamic call to prayer is heard everywhere in the big cities.

So even if you view this guy's tweets as "trolling big time," surely you see why Turkey should do without blasphemy trials, right? Assuming you agree that it's a good thing Turkey is not officially Islamist, I mean?

Personally I think everybody who says "Anybody who blasphemes against [X religion] should be prosecuted!" should be taken out and shot. But we shouldn't really have to go quite that far yet.
 
2013-04-15 12:33:22 PM  

The One True TheDavid: My GED was not in Turkish constitutional law, but isn't this the kind of thing Ataturk was against?


Yes, but Ataturk was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time, which is why he made sure they never got to pick their leaders.

70 years later, we've now found that the majority of Turks are still too stupid not to vote for Islamic parties, hence why Erdogan and the AKP are now in power and defecating upon Ataturk's secular institutions
 
2013-04-15 12:34:37 PM  

Superjew: Thinnest-skinned Religion Ever.


Wait until it's as old as xtianity and I'm sure they'll be a little less offendable.  Look at the xtians pre-reformation and tell me that they weren't the "thinnest-skinned" to that point.
 
2013-04-15 12:36:19 PM  

Scythed: Yes, but Ataturk was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time


"Yes, but SquiggsIN was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time"

The future, I see it.
 
2013-04-15 12:41:42 PM  

SquiggsIN: Wait until it's as old as xtianity and I'm sure they'll be a little less offendable.  Look at the xtians pre-reformation and tell me that they weren't the "thinnest-skinned" to that point.


Pro Tip: Islam hates white knights.
 
2013-04-15 12:44:47 PM  

Scythed: The One True TheDavid: My GED was not in Turkish constitutional law, but isn't this the kind of thing Ataturk was against?

Yes, but Ataturk was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time, which is why he made sure they never got to pick their leaders.

70 years later, we've now found that the majority of Turks are still too stupid not to vote for Islamic parties, hence why Erdogan and the AKP are now in power and defecating upon Ataturk's secular institutions


The Three Pashas along with the other Young Turks also opposed Islam being a part of government. At first. Then when they needed anything they could use to stay in power, they decided Islam was just fine.

Interestingly, the Three Pashas ended up pretty badly.  Two were assassinated in exile and one was killed fighting the Red Army.
 
2013-04-15 12:49:21 PM  
Superjew:

Thinnest-skinned Religion Ever.

Not necessarily. Islam, being the camel-farking love child of Judaism and Christianity, had to learn that shiat someplace.

And they didn't learn it from the ancient Romans: all you had to do then was offer a little something to the statue of the Emperor, tantamount to saluting Old Gory as the old farts from the VFW hall march by, and you were free to practice whatever silly belief your local voices-hearer dreamed up. Usually you only had to do that once, and only when they bothered to bring the subject up -- which they usually did only when some rude & wacky cult was running around raising hell against everybody who didn't share their particular superstition. (That's right: the Romans didn't persecute Christianity enough.)

But of course I'm forgetting myself: after all I do live in the Yew Ess of Ay, where anybody who rolls their eyes at the icon of Jesus riding Dino clearly wants to shove all the poor oppressed Christians into the holocaustal ovens. Please forgive me, please? Those pitchforks look kinda rusty.
 
2013-04-15 12:51:15 PM  
Everytime I would would state the FACT that everywhere Islam is dominent is also an intolerant undemocratic shiathole, everybody on Fark would chime in, WHAT ABOUT TURKEY? HUH? HUH?

You can now kindly STFU (not that you couldn't before)
 
2013-04-15 12:56:45 PM  
The One True TheDavid: But of course I'm forgetting myself: after all I do live in the Yew Ess of Ay, where anybody who rolls their eyes at the icon of Jesus riding Dino clearly wants to shove all the poor oppressed Christians into the holocaustal ovens. Please forgive me, please? Those pitchforks look kinda rusty.


I drove past a church today that said "Creation Museum Trip blah blah blah" so, i'm sadly reminded, that these fundie nutjobs are a lot closer than I'd like to think.

Yes, they think Jesus rode a dino.
 
2013-04-15 12:57:05 PM  

Scythed: The One True TheDavid:

My GED was not in Turkish constitutional law, but isn't this the kind of thing Ataturk was against?

Yes, but Ataturk was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time, which is why he made sure they never got to pick their leaders.

70 years later, we've now found that the majority of Turks are still too stupid not to vote for Islamic parties, hence why Erdogan and the AKP are now in power and defecating upon Ataturk's secular institutions


There ya go: the USA ought to have a religious test for voting rights and Federal jobs & offices. Specifically this: anybody who believes that religious belief outweighs science and civil rights should be forbidden to vote in Federal elections or hold any responsible position in the US Government (e,.g., Senator, FBI agent, janitor in a Social Security office, etc.).

You could do that as simply as asking if creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the public schools, and disallowing everybody who agrees.

Maybe in a few generations America will be ready for something more like democracy. As it is we're having enough trouble keeping Texasism from destroying the rest of the country's brains.
 
2013-04-15 12:57:27 PM  
Turkey penis

/that is all
 
2013-04-15 12:58:40 PM  
mark12A:

Everytime I would would state the FACT that everywhere Islam is dominent is also an intolerant undemocratic shiathole, everybody on Fark would chime in, WHAT ABOUT TURKEY? HUH? HUH?

Whaddaya mean "everybody," eh? I've been saying the same, and not only about Islam, for a couple or three years now.
 
2013-04-15 01:06:30 PM  
 Silly tag? really?


/Death cult tag busy?
//Sad would have worked too
 
2013-04-15 01:10:55 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Scythed: The One True TheDavid:

My GED was not in Turkish constitutional law, but isn't this the kind of thing Ataturk was against?

Yes, but Ataturk was an enlightened mind in a country full of ignorant, superstitious peasants who would have voted against secularism every time, which is why he made sure they never got to pick their leaders.

70 years later, we've now found that the majority of Turks are still too stupid not to vote for Islamic parties, hence why Erdogan and the AKP are now in power and defecating upon Ataturk's secular institutions

There ya go: the USA ought to have a religious test for voting rights and Federal jobs & offices. Specifically this: anybody who believes that religious belief outweighs science and civil rights should be forbidden to vote in Federal elections or hold any responsible position in the US Government (e,.g., Senator, FBI agent, janitor in a Social Security office, etc.).

You could do that as simply as asking if creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the public schools, and disallowing everybody who agrees.

Maybe in a few generations America will be ready for something more like democracy. As it is we're having enough trouble keeping Texasism from destroying the rest of the country's brains.


No you're right, Texas and Turkey. People are regularly sentenced to jail terms for "blasphemy."
 
2013-04-15 01:34:23 PM  

The One True TheDavid: You could do that as simply as asking if creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the public schools, and disallowing everybody who agrees.


Creationism and evolution should be taught in schools.  Creationism in a class on comparative mythology or religious studies, and evolution in biology.  See?  A place for every thing, and every thing in its place.
 
2013-04-15 01:42:48 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: So glad we don't have blasphemy laws in the USA.  Yet.

Jesus tapdancing Christ on a wheat thin.


The US has never been less religious. There is zero chance we'd ever have this kind of bullshiat.
 
2013-04-15 01:47:28 PM  

fetyani: seadoo2006: That's nobody's business but the Turks.

If Turks wanna get into the EU they gotta allow freedumb of speech :D


Yes, and change Istanbul back to 'Constantinople', right?


/FreeDUMB ?
 
2013-04-15 01:57:12 PM  

meanmutton: Billy Bathsalt: So glad we don't have blasphemy laws in the USA.  Yet.

Jesus tapdancing Christ on a wheat thin.

The US has never been less religious. There is zero chance we'd ever have this kind of bullshiat.


But not a zero chance some areas won't try it.
 
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