Don't forget German mercenaries, 44.

KnuckleheadEd

Just don't start kissing me and stuff. ;-)

soporific

That's funny, because O'Rielly's just the type of guy I'd like to punch in the face, too.

2003-12-26 09:28:42 PM Cyc66

Since France is a nation composed of many races, this would probably be jingoistic rather than racist.

Farmers,Family men,Men who believed in the concept of Freedom...

Good, now youre starting to get it... As an American, youre loyalty and patriotisim is not founded off of your loyalty to your part or the president... Its to the Constitution and your land. Support your party and your president as far as they support the constitution. Anything more is unpatriotic...

Weaver95,

Here's another one you might enjoy:

I'd say this reeks of bullshiat -- bin Laden never made these types of assertions prior to the original attacks.

woot! more free advertising for Dean. If the rightwingnuts continue pounding him, it can't be that bad.

These terrorist blokes are into killing people, right? Not so much the infrastructure damage?

Also, the United States is bad, but not terrible. There are many worse places to live (South America, Asia, most of Africa) and many better (Canada, France, Sweden, Hawaii). Japan too, I guess.

MrEricSir, youd reek of bull shiat too if all you did was squat on some cave floor scratching your ass all day.

Good. Then maybe we'll finally scrap the constitution and milatarize, like Tom Tomorrow and General Swartzkopf wants us to do.

Do you think our itelligence community will be able to "connect the dots" this time?

Florida blah blah blah.

It's 3 years later. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

If the report is true, and they manage even a single incident of any power whatsoever, I say this:

Are you prepared, Al-Qaeda, for the ultimate international biatchslap? Are you ready for a lesson in the true meaning of pain?

I, for one, don't think you are ready. I think you're going down the road to ruin should you even consider such a thing. Americans aren't weak, we're actually quite powerful. If you want to make this a personal war, then by all means please do--all the more reason to flay your flesh and feast upon your gristle. I will enjoy that utterly.

If this report is just another one of the false bravado messages his messengers pump out almost daily then so be it...more lies, deceit, and empty talk from a broken man who is morally, legally, and spiritually bankrupt. Osama knows full well that he has no place in Paradise now and is willing to take the rest of his people with him. So much the more room for those of us who truly deserve the honor.

So, Osama, you think you're bad? If so, bring it on; if not, you had better step back, son, or we will make you our biatch.

Word to your mother, farker.

The terrorists must get a kick out of the fact that all they have to do is make a few flowery threats and the whole country panics. Pfft, people loved to be scared.

damnitkage, pass the bong, dude.

That being said, if al queda is guilty or even suspected of a large scale attack somewhere, I fear for the kind, everday Muslims. I think that the kneejerk reaction will be to harm them in some way.

Exactly. Terrorists are a tiny minority of Muslims, and their actions do no favors to their fellow countrymen. Which isn't surprising, since their main motivation is ego and their warped view of selfish afterlife rewards.

Wow. if the country ever falls into the hands of the liberals, im totally joining politics, you people would be so easy to rule... perhaps the Clintons are on to somthing...

jkmartin, hey buddy whoever wants to play. The more guns and explosives the better.

Gavino; For efficiency of diplomatic solutions when dealing with fanatical sucidial extremists parties please see; the Iraq/US/UN political & economic sanctions and embargos. Yeah...they fixed everything huh?? I love people who sit on their hands all day, and then b*tch and whine the loudest when something stateside happens "that something should have been done to prevent it". You can't put a bandaid on a bullet wound, thats all politics ever does, and do you purpose to "politic" these people out of their religious beliefs, when their belief includes that they should kill us for their Gods greater glory?? (I am not including all Muslims in that statement, just those with that belief. Remember David Koresh called himself a Christian, but he doesn't represent the "christian" views of anyone I know.)

As I've said before:

Either $hit or get off the pot, Osama.

Seriously: These constant empty threats, along with our reaction to them, are getting very old. Either Osama and pals are a threat, in which case we would should treat them as such, or they aren't, in which case we should cease paying attention to them. Our reaction of (in many cases) overly broad paranoia over terrorism is giving them exactly what they want.

such as regressive tax policy

... to combat highly progressive tax increases over the past 12 years. The fact that he is spending out his ass is stupid, but let's not confuse the issues.

2003-12-26 01:27:19 PM rash
They've seen what has happened to Iraq and Afganistan...
They don't wanna mess with the US

I just guessin here, but I'm guessin that rash is about 16 years old and sports a mullet.

Terrorists are a tiny minority of Muslims...

1% of the Muslim population to be exact... But remember, that 1% of the Muslim pop. is approx. 13 million people... bigger then any army on earth... not so tiny anymore, huh?

Tom-Servo: Ummm, by that do you mean the fact that Afghanistan is slowly bringing the Taliban back into power and is the world's largest supplier of opium? Or are you referring to the daily suicide bombings and rocket attacks against US forces?

Yeah, that whole Iraq/Afghanistan thing really taught them who is boss.

Oh, so innocent people didn't die in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why did the democrats make such a big fuss then?

mabgrac said,

"Telling other people why they are stupid is easy. Coming up with a better idea is a little harder. Perhaps I missed it, maybe you have stated it on a different day, but what in your opinion then is the answer to the problem."

Fair enough.

This problem will require a far more shrewd response than the "nuke them all" crap.

To that end we will need to do the following:

1) Identify and replace governments that now in power that create (not specifically support) the breeding grounds for terrorists. Most of the African continent comes to mind. Where there is starvation, hopelessness and ignorance terrorism can find a willing ally.

While I am not fool enough to believe that all terrorists are ignorant (some are very well educated) it is readily apparent that they use the perceived injustice of inequality to motivate their supporters. This must be changed. Remove the motivation for the hatred and they will have little to use.

2) Well fed and comfortable people rarely engage in this type of terrorist endeavor. Yes, I do know that most of the 19 asses that pulled off 911 were rich and comfortable but they were motivated by the perceived threat to their way of life. We must educate the rest of the world to these truths that we hold self-evident allowing all people the freedom to choose their station in life. People with huge amounts of hope don't pull desperate measures.

3) Good old-fashioned police work. This needs to be universal. (see number 1) Any government (this must be a popular government) should be able to motivate their citizens to find and capture these criminals. In this country our citizens routinely assist the police in hunting down the worst of our violent criminals - not because our government threatens us but because we see the value in getting these people off the streets.

4) The correct (and just) use of military force. This is the tricky part. In my opinion military force is the choice of last resort. Opposing a Hitler (no Godwin invocation here) is an easy thing to motivate the populace into. I believe the reason some of our allies refused to participate in the Iraq action is that they believed this was not the best option. I happen to believe that assassination might have been a better method (one would hope we could pull this off) but this would HAVE to be predicated on having a better government we could put in place. Face it, right now even if we offered the son of Allah the Iraqis would resist him because we installed him.

5) A universal code of justice. No, not a world government but a set of laws that EVERYBODY obeys. It is an impossible position for us to maintain that everybody else must adhere to one set of rules - except us. Face it, this creates an injustice that somebody sooner or later will fight against.

Finally, the idea that we can continue to consume the bulk of the world's resources while people have nothing is going to cause resentment. Do people resent the US because we have a higher standard of living? You just know that they do. This is an inequality that must be addressed.

Now before you label me as some moron that believes we have to give up everything and they will like us for it, I am not. I believe these people given enough resources will become our best customers. They need all of the comforts we take for granted. Think of the jobs that would be created if every person in the world received vaccines. If they had the money they would buy phones, cars, clothes, TVs and a variety of other products. The reason WWII occured is directly due to the lack of a Marshall Plan like the one we put in place at the end of WWII. Look at the long-term allies that investment earned us. Don't kid yourself, the President's plan is not going to measure up.

The bottom line is that we will either even up the standard of living for everybody (remember I am not advocating lowering our standard) or the continued war against equality will continue.

Answer me this truthfully, if you lived in a third world shiathole, wouldn't you want to take a swing at the country that kept you there? I know, we don't work to keep them there but when you're ignorant and the religious leader (the only wise man you will ever know) tells you that you just might tend to believe them.

Sorry for the length.
I look forward to your (and anyone else's) response.

This is a little late in the thread but yes, i believe the attacks on the WTC were cowardly. I don't see how it is an act of bravery just because they did something they believe in. I guess the Charles Manson followers were "brave" too....
Nazis too...

Edbear

He did actually commit perjury, which is a bit of a problem for a President I think.

Dragon of Avarice, come on down out of your mommy and daddy's ivory tower, and do a bong hit.
The vision of this nation's founding fathers is just as true and valid today as it was two hundred years ago.
They also foresaw people like you trying to whore us out.

Emperor-Jay

A) Old people are stupid. I lived in florida. It was unbeleivable.
B) The votes were counted numerous time in the year following the election and every time bush came out on top. How exactly would it be rigged? Did Bush Sr. go down their and vote and extra couple of thousand times?
C) The true blame for that election lies with Ralph Nader, and not some evil Bush conspiracy. Nader knew he was dividing the left and giving the election to bush. The far left typically cuts of its nose to spite its face. This is just another example of that.

anywho, this was WAAAAAAAY off topic.

HowlingFrog, Ouch. You might have made him cry.

Enough politics!

Show me the boobies!

AntiNorm

Hear! Hear!

racerxs - or you could look at Ireland, or Georgia, or Sierra Leonne, or South Africa or any number of countries where it has been very successful. And that's just the UN, which I didn't specify, because they aren't the only available means of diplomacy. Violent behaviour is always, without fail, the stamp of the intellectually mute and you always reap what you sow.

ChiGuy - you surveyed about a third of the world's population and asked them 'are you a terrorist?' in an environment where they were guaranteed to tell the truth. That's great work, man. Now we know. 1% exactly!

This is a little late in the thread but yes, i believe the attacks on the WTC were cowardly. I don't see how it is an act of bravery just because they did something they believe in. I guess the Charles Manson followers were "brave" too....
Nazis too...

ChiGuy

I've got an extra hankie.

Gavino, i might have missed a few people.

"Your vote will amount to squat now that PNAC has utilized electronic paper-trailless voting boofs."

You get better and better jay.

Your vote will amount to squat now that PNAC has utilized electronic paper-trailless voting boofs.

Paranoid schizophrenia you have?

Racer-XS, I second what you said. Don't biatch or whine unless you've
1. voted
2. are willing to do something instead of sit on your hands
3. Quit blaming bush for everything. Afterall he still need approval from the democrats to get thing started and they fight him all the way.

Random Reality Check
Answer me this truthfully, if you lived in a third world shiathole, wouldn't you want to take a swing at the country that kept you there? I know, we don't work to keep them there but when you're ignorant and the religious leader (the only wise man you will ever know) tells you that you just might tend to believe them.

Usually, the country keeping the third world shiathole down is the third world shiathole itself.

Racer-XS, I second what you said. Don't biatch or whine unless you've
1. voted
2. are willing to do something instead of sit on your hands
3. Quit blaming bush for everything. Afterall he still need approval from the democrats to get thing started and they fight him all the way.

Democrats only took the country from the great depression to being the world's only Super Power before this point.

Historically, there is a big change in politics every 60 years or so. Things should get interesting for a while. Especially when the national deficit becomes a major issue.

Bring the childish and horribly inaccurate caricatures of the candidates on. Getting that segment of the vote will assure a re-election, yeah, that's it.