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(CBS News)   Western efforts against the Taliban have been so successful that Afghanistan is expecting a record opium harvest   (cbsnews.com) divider line 15
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2013-04-15 09:15:46 AM  
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Dinki: Does subby think the only opium growers in Afghanistan are Taliban?


Probably not, considering that the Taliban banned opium growing.
2013-04-15 09:16:00 AM  
2 votes:
Considering we're a society in which the first question people ask someone who just came from the doctor is "Did they give you the good stuff" Americans don't really have any room to talk about opiates.
2013-04-15 05:20:22 PM  
1 votes:

Treygreen13: UnspokenVoice: Legalize all drugs for those who have reached the age of majority

...so 18 year olds with PCP. Gotcha.

How about HGH?


Absolutely. They're going to get and do it regardless if they want. They may as well get it from a clean and legal source. They may as well not be committing a crime in the acquisition and possession phase. Anyone who wants drugs can find drugs. They're not hard to find and the people who sell them tend to look alike and be in the same areas in every single burb and city. The idea that legalization is going to make grandma turn into a raging meth addict is absurd. I can already GET drugs. I have plenty on hand right this minute.
2013-04-15 05:15:39 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: 1) yes the numbers would go up by a small amount (does anyone really think the usage of heroin would double or triple?)
but the numbers would also go down some amount, because people would be able to safely get treatment for an illness, rather than fear from committing a crime.


I think there would be a brief, terrifying period where people are trying whatever they felt like because it's "ok now" and shiat would get really, really scary for a while. Maybe in another country they could handle it better, but this is 'Murica. We can barely handle the McRib. Then the people who didn't get hopelessly addicted to their drugs would probably decide it wasn't for them. Then it would go back closer to normal. But you'd still have a constant supply of people turning 18, getting their drug license, and going out and seeing what it's like to try cocaine, or LSD, or meth. And some of them would become addicts, and some wouldn't. You've still got addicts, people taking dangerous drugs, and your entire population has PCP and Heroin available should they decide they want it.

I don't think people who are addicted to hard drugs would suddenly decide to get treatment because those drugs are legal. You could walk (right now) to a rehab and tell them you're addicted to heroin and they wouldn't tell you to get out. People who want help for their addictions *can* get it now.

namatad: 3) yes, bath salts and heroin, esp since heroin users are less likely to react like pcp users.
how many people used bath salts because they couldnt legally get something else?


Hard to say about the bath salts thing. I think people taking synthetic drugs were probably already taking their "natural" counterpart and wanted to find ways around limitations like availability and drug testing. But you also had a lot of people say "oh well if they're legal I'll go try some Spice and see what that's all about". And I know that happens for a fact - I have friends who went out and bought some just because of the notoriety and because they thought the government was going to lock it down again. The same for Four Loko, people went out and bought cases of that garbage because they wanted to get it before it became illegal.
2013-04-15 03:29:18 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: Treygreen13: namatad: /sigh - cue the "drugs are bad" tards .... like the war on drugs has been good for ANYONE other than drug lords?

So.. OTC PCP?

You're ok with that?

so yah ....
PCP, antivirals and antibiotics are probably not a good idea .....
that being said, would the "damage" from PCP users increase? is it really a big problem or a red-herring ...
but yah .... PCP is probably a no ....

alas, in the end, people who are going to abuse and use insane drugs are going to be able to get insane drugs and abuse them ....


Fact is even if you drop a ton of pcp heroin and meth in the streets with a sign saying come one come all.
its still only a certain kind of person thats going to use it.

you might get a few johnny come latleys but really thats just darwin in action.
should be able to buy drugs pretty much like you buy booze.
any of them. give em a scan card. Known trouble makers are banned. Everyone wins. Except tom the local smack dealer
2013-04-15 02:14:14 PM  
1 votes:
legalize ALL drugs
make them OTC to anyone over 18
death for giving them to under 18, unless you are the parent

TADA
you put the black market out of business with one law.
TADA
no more drug warlords, no more taliban trying to stomp out poppies

/sigh - cue the "drugs are bad" tards .... like the war on drugs has been good for ANYONE other than drug lords?
2013-04-15 01:45:37 PM  
1 votes:

neversubmit: Afghan opium production increases for 3rd year in a row, nearing record

The boom in poppy cultivation is at its most pronounced in the Taliban's heartland in the south, the report showed, especially in regions where troops of the U.S.-led coalition have been withdrawn or are in the process of departing. The report suggests that whatever international efforts have been made to wean local farmers off the crop, they are having little success.

Yeah, right, sure, lie all you want we know what's really going on.


From another thread, because I'm just that awesome!

/stoned
2013-04-15 01:35:09 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: Does subby think the only opium growers in Afghanistan are Taliban?


Obviously not, because subby wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement.

vpb: Dinki: Does subby think the only opium growers in Afghanistan are Taliban?

Probably not, considering that the Taliban banned opium growing.


That is incorrect.  The Taliban relies on poppy harvests for their funding, as they "tax" farmers to fund their operations.
2013-04-15 01:28:52 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-04-15 01:13:51 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: Considering we're a society in which the first question people ask someone who just came from the doctor is "Did they give you the good stuff" Americans don't really have any room to talk about opiates.


This; just legalize the stuff = problem solved.
2013-04-15 01:11:47 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: Does subby think the only opium growers in Afghanistan are Taliban?


Does Subby think that the intent of the US Government was to STOP the Opium trade?

/See: Money Laundering (Drug Trade)
2013-04-15 01:10:32 PM  
1 votes:
Legalize cannabis and opium worldwide, Afghanistan is a rich and peaceful country tomorrow. America will still be a shiathole though.
2013-04-15 11:31:50 AM  
1 votes:
Sure, let the US take all the credit when we all know this is Global Warming's fault.
2013-04-15 10:16:21 AM  
1 votes:
Fark's sake, long as we're in Afghanistan why not just buy up the damn opium crop ourselves? It actually does have use as a painkiller, after all.  Long as the farmers sell only to us, we're cool. If not, well...
2013-04-15 09:14:01 AM  
1 votes:
Does subby think more opiates are a bad thing?
 
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