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2013-04-15 11:11:31 AM
8 votes:
Fundies are fearful people. They worry about the wrath of God and going to Hell a LOT. They think that by tolerating sin (in particular, the icky gays and the destruction of unborn babies) they are committing atrocities themselves that they'll have to answer for in the afterlife. Their fear keeps them from being able to look at the issues objectively. "Sorry Venkman, I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought."


As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.
2013-04-15 11:10:55 AM
7 votes:
because they aren't who they say they are. they are hateful,selfish,paranoid bedwetters.
2013-04-15 11:44:24 AM
6 votes:

I_C_Weener: What have you done for Haiti?


Donated to the Red Cross Haiti fund. I didn't even try to convince people trying to put their country back together to change religion or pity them enough, or think so lowly of them that I would go there, flaunting my opulent lifestyle among their poverty, and personally give out things that I deem they need to make their lives better according to my personal views.
2013-04-15 11:27:42 AM
5 votes:
Answer:

In America, being "conservative" is about being in a club. It's about belonging in a group and being accepted into the group and embracing the platform that group stands on even if it doesn't make logical sense in order to fill the need to belong. Because for many Americans live such shallow and unfulfilled lives that they must voluntarily segregate themselves into tribes in order to wage a tribal war on each other in order to fill the gap missing in their personality and deepen their lives. Even though there is no test, or right of passage to become a member of this special club, it is fear of ridicule and fear of being ostracized by those they seek to be their peers that keep them in line. By vilifying and labeling anything not "conservative" as "liberal" this club has created for itself a cult of followers out of fear of becoming branded a member of the other tribe. There is no middle ground, there are no other options, to them there are only "conservatives" and "liberals" and if you aren't part of the "conservative" club, you are a filthy "liberal". But you better embrace and stand behind everything "conservative" or else you are a "liberal", period.

It's a members only club, and membership rules are strict...
2013-04-15 11:54:14 AM
4 votes:

I_C_Weener: I'm under the impression that Christian charities get grief for it when other's don't at the same rate.


Funny, I have never heard anyone complain about Christian charities donating food or water, or rebuilding homes, or donating medical help to those in need.

I have, however, heard people complaining about Christian charities requiring people to pray before receiving this help, and I've heard complaining about Christian "charities" handing out Bibles instead of food and water.  Almost as if people aren't giving Christinan charities grief about their actual charitable actions, but the pompous and self-righteous bullshiat that often comes along with it.
2013-04-15 11:49:29 AM
4 votes:

I_C_Weener: Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
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/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf

A local church rebuilt a kids' home and school in Haiti, and funded it each year since the big earthquake.  What have you done for Haiti?  There is a mission trip there twice a year.  One of the members paid for a doctor to come to his office in the US then gave him eye surgery for free so that this doctor could continue to practice medicine for his community.  They might even have thrown in a bible or two.

Sure, its fun saying that Christian missionaries are there to exploit, but you might need to get your own hands a bit dirty before you can feel too superior.

Are you under the impression that only Christian charities support those in need in Haiti?

I'm under the impression that Christian charities get grief for it when other's don't at the same rate.


They get grief for their proselytizing. The other charities don't get grief for that because they don't farking do it.
2013-04-15 11:40:43 AM
4 votes:
Prosperity Gospel is the Anti-Christ
anyone who preaches it is a false prophet.
2013-04-15 11:39:20 AM
4 votes:
Short answer: because right-wing ideology REQUIRES an "us"-vs-"them" narrative.

Sad as it is, "let's all help the less fortunate like Jesus wanted" doesn't get people to the polls. "[Insert hated group here] are destroying the country and ruining humanity forever!!! Now forward this email to everyone you know and remember not to remove any of the 'FW:'s in the subject line!" does.

The American left may have very real problems, but they haven't painted themselves into a cultural and ideological corner like the American right has. They have quite literally staked out a very combative viewpoint where, on many major issues of the day (the environment, science and education, women's and minorities' rights, etc.), it's pretty much them against the entire rest of the civilized world. Which, of course, they just integrate into their concocted fantasies of perpetual victimhood even though they represent one of the most politically powerful and entitled demographics on Earth.

A combative, uncharitable attitude and outlook is the inevitable result.  And this is something I hear a more and more from several generations of people in my own family and in those of friends and acquaintances.  I hear it from those in their teens, those in their 20's and 30's, and even from folks in their 40's and 50's: "When did [usually older, very conservative family member] get so angry about everything? All they do is glue themselves to cable news and grumble and rant about politics now. I miss being able to talk with them!"

I have seriously lost count of how may times I've heard some variation of that, now.  I can't imagine that the (very typically southern and midwestern) families I have experience with are somehow outliers in this.  And it's really sad...
2013-04-15 11:29:27 AM
4 votes:
These "christians" believe in a  twisted mish-mash of dominionist and prosperity theology. They believe that God literally rewards the pious with obscene amounts of material wealth while punishing the sinners with poverty. The more money you have, the more God loves you. The more poor you are, the more you're headed straight to Hell.

In their view, people are poor because they are not deemed worthy of God's love, while the Koch Brothers are adopted by Jehovah himself.


This also explains why the more wealthy are more likely to be religious. They want to wrap themselves up in a belief system that reinforces their status quo, where as those who struggle to survive are more likely to acknowledge that there is no god that cares about them.
2013-04-15 11:04:30 AM
4 votes:
Because Jesus said all kinds of things about hating gay people and evolution, and nothing about the weak and the poor.
2013-04-15 02:24:58 PM
3 votes:
It's bigotry, prejudice, hatred and racism guiding values voters, not religion.  Religion is just their smokescreen.
2013-04-15 12:52:47 PM
3 votes:

desertgeek: Because "values voters" only value their own self. They really should be called "fark you, I got mine" voters.


They think that they're worshiping God, but God isn't real so they're just worshipping themselves.
2013-04-15 12:15:35 PM
3 votes:
This is a behavioral opposition between compassionate values and disaster values.

In relatively good times a society functions best when everybody helps each other and life is better than a zero sum game.

In very bad times (famines, attacks by Attila the Hun, etc.) it is every family for itself and helping outsiders can hurt a family to the extent that its genes won't be passed on.

Fundamentalists tend to favor disaster values though they are supposed to be somewhat compassionate towards members of their in-group. However if someone in their group really needs help they may decided that he is flawed (e.g. lazy, God has cursed him, he violated group rules) and rather than being helped gets punished, maybe even kicked out of the group or killed.

As a different example, traditional Chinese are very family centered (may because of famines) and it was almost inconceivable to help an outsider that they didn't have any business ties with (such as a lost child). If such an outsider was helped it created obligations as if the outsider was adopted into the family.
2013-04-15 11:43:11 AM
3 votes:
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2013-04-15 11:34:20 AM
3 votes:
Because they are assholes who only care about themselves and use Jesus to try and convince everyone else that they aren't self-centered dickbags.
2013-04-15 11:23:47 AM
3 votes:
Why is it that Jesus preached a message of changing your life, renouncing your possessions, and helping the orphans and widows and sick, and Christianity turned into a centuries-long argument about things like whether you need a guy in a robe to lift a piece of bread and wine into the air before you eat it, to get into Heavenworld?  And burned and stoned each other to death by the thousands over such arguments?  And now the message has morphed for many "Christians" into "God wants you to get rich using my simple three-step plan"?

I don't know.  People are strange.  Values turn into dogmas, dogmas turn into policies, and bureaucrats use policies to get what they want.
2013-04-15 11:22:28 AM
3 votes:

Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.


"Prosperity Gospel" is about the most evil, malicious thing ever imagined. At its root, it says that starving babies and others incapable of caring for themselves are sinners unworthy of life. And it presents this as an expression of "God's love". Is there any greater perversion out there?

/also, that stupefying "The Secret" is just as bad. It is the same thing wrapped in a "no-Jesus" cloak.
2013-04-15 11:16:44 AM
3 votes:
Because they have sh*t values.
2013-04-15 11:13:30 AM
3 votes:
Because value voter is not the same thing as what would Jesus do?

A value voter is the result of the Southern Strategy employed by conservatives for the past 30 some years.

The Southern Strategy has been to send a wedge to separate people who would otherwise vote similarly.

Religion and race has been the favored wedge issue to separate folks in the south, for GOP voting purposes.

Though it does seem odd to denounce evolution, gays, and the poor as being lazy in one breath.
2013-04-15 02:32:51 PM
2 votes:
My former mother-in-law was a vicious, selfish, thieving drunk, but she went to church every morning and sang her lungs out. Apparently she believed that going to church wiped her slate clean each day, so she could continue to be an awful person. And I'm certain she's not the only one.

Shortly after her daughter and I split, she was struck blind. I was sorely tempted to call her and ask if it was a message from God.
2013-04-15 12:12:45 PM
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: Epoch_Zero: I_C_Weener: What have you done for Haiti?

Donated to the Red Cross Haiti fund. I didn't even try to convince people trying to put their country back together to change religion or pity them enough, or think so lowly of them that I would go there, flaunting my opulent lifestyle among their poverty, and personally give out things that I deem they need to make their lives better according to my personal views.

So, a one time donation gives you the ability to critique what some churches are doing quarterly.  A once and forget it donation.  Good for you.  They probably don't need any more help on an ongoing basis.

I salute you and your ability to complain about those who are willing to continue helping.


there are some missionaries that do good work. most of them I've have a displeasure to know are little more than moochers who live on the charity of others ,some quite well, and do very little to justify their income. one I visited in Guatemala had a huge ranch, a motorhome and everything paid for by these churches who supported him. He wasn't concerned with feeding the poor or the physical health of those in his area. He was only concerned with getting them "saved" so he could count them in his little newsletter he'd send back to his patrons. Oh sure they'd have a meal or two and take pics. they'd give the kids books that were provided by the churches to give them. and take pics of those. but the majority of their time was sipping iced tea and watching satellite tv on their ranch. they pulled in over 20k a month in contributions. and probably paid out 5k or so for their employees who took care of the ranch. They had a racket going similar to that of Don Imus.
2013-04-15 12:12:40 PM
2 votes:

Surool: "Value voters" are poorly named.


Au contraire.

They provide a TON of value for Corporate America - they work the lowest-end jobs (which likely provide either some of the best ROI*, or the raw materials used to build other shiat, like corn or auto parts) and are the voting base.

*because you don't realize how much the janitorial/custodial staff does until they stop doing it for a week. I don't mean "cash" so much as intangibles.
2013-04-15 12:06:31 PM
2 votes:
I'd say it was a bad day when Dominionism took hold of American Protestantism, but that would ignore the centuries of history that had churches of all stripes promoting their own political-economic vision.

So it's still bad in the here and now, but it has also been that bad (and worse) throughout the Church's history.

// can I claim indulgence-purchases as a tax-writeoff?
2013-04-15 11:54:54 AM
2 votes:
"He knew about concerned citizens. Wherever they were, they all spoke the same private language, where 'traditional values' meant 'hang someone'." -- Terry Pratchett
2013-04-15 11:53:16 AM
2 votes:

Via Infinito: Parthenogenetic: Via Infinito: As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.

Jesus said "the poor will always be with you."

Think about what that means.

First of all, there will always be good-for-nothing moochers stealing from productive citizens.  Jesus knew this nearly 2000 years before Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Second, humans will never be able to eliminate poverty, because Jesus said so.  To try to eliminate poverty is not just futile, it is an act of human pride and defiance against God.  Poverty is a symptom of the deadly sin of sloth.  Welfare is also a sin, the result of the deadly sin of sloth, which causeth poverty, and envy, which causeth the poor to covet what their betters have earned.  Giving money to the poor only encourages them to mooch more.  To eliminate poverty, you need to eliminate the sin that causes poverty, and only Jesus can do that.

In Heaven, there is no Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security, no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 Housing, and no public transportation.  There is no affirmative action (unneeded, because there are no minorities in Heaven), no unions, and no unemployment insurance.  There are no job-killing OSHA, EPA, FDA, or Department of Labor to burden the job creators.  God only asks for a flat tax of 10 percent, as opposed to the 50% tax rate demanded by 0bama.  Why does 0bama need five times what God asks for?  Because he thinks he's five times better than God?

2/10
Way over the top. Subtlety is the best way to troll.


I think that wasn't trolling so much as satire.
2013-04-15 11:48:11 AM
2 votes:
Because they aren't really Christian.
2013-04-15 11:44:18 AM
2 votes:
Because "values voters" are assholes.

A hearty THIS!! to everyone who called out prosperity theology.  That's a big part of the reason "values voters" are assholes.
2013-04-15 11:34:47 AM
2 votes:

Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
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/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf


Ah yes...the self-righteous shiat-eating grin.  It's pretty common where I live.
2013-04-15 11:32:25 AM
2 votes:

NostroZ: Because value voter is not the same thing as what would Jesus do?

A value voter is the result of the Southern Strategy employed by conservatives for the past 30 some years.

The Southern Strategy has been to send a wedge to separate people who would otherwise vote similarly.

Religion and race has been the favored wedge issue to separate folks in the south, for GOP voting purposes.

Though it does seem odd to denounce evolution, gays, and the poor as being lazy in one breath.


The Southern Strategy really only had one target, racial minorities. With racism becoming unpopular the GOP has been forced to create multiple targets to keep their base angry, afraid, and isolated from the rest of the country. That's why they now call out gays, scientists, and the poor (although that is often coded race talk). They have even needed to create enemies like Secularists and Communists even though the people who are actually part of those groups hold no political power.
2013-04-15 11:28:27 AM
2 votes:

Via Infinito: As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.


Jesus said "the poor will always be with you."

Think about what that means.

First of all, there will always be good-for-nothing moochers stealing from productive citizens.  Jesus knew this nearly 2000 years before Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Second, humans will never be able to eliminate poverty, because Jesus said so.  To try to eliminate poverty is not just futile, it is an act of human pride and defiance against God.  Poverty is a symptom of the deadly sin of sloth.  Welfare is also a sin, the result of the deadly sin of sloth, which causeth poverty, and envy, which causeth the poor to covet what their betters have earned.  Giving money to the poor only encourages them to mooch more.  To eliminate poverty, you need to eliminate the sin that causes poverty, and only Jesus can do that.

In Heaven, there is no Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security, no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 Housing, and no public transportation.  There is no affirmative action (unneeded, because there are no minorities in Heaven), no unions, and no unemployment insurance.  There are no job-killing OSHA, EPA, FDA, or Department of Labor to burden the job creators.  God only asks for a flat tax of 10 percent, as opposed to the 50% tax rate demanded by 0bama.  Why does 0bama need five times what God asks for?  Because he thinks he's five times better than God?
2013-04-15 11:27:08 AM
2 votes:
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2013-04-15 11:27:03 AM
2 votes:
American christians go to church for business connections. WTF is a bible?
2013-04-15 11:23:19 AM
2 votes:
reminds me of my parents who say they vote only on "family issues" but to them that starts and ends with "abortion."
2013-04-15 11:21:10 AM
2 votes:
Because "values voters" only value their own self. They really should be called "fark you, I got mine" voters.
2013-04-15 11:16:02 AM
2 votes:
Kind of like how every Congolese death squad calls itself something like The People's Liberation Freedom Army.
2013-04-15 11:14:29 AM
2 votes:
Because liberals care about them and it's the job of "values voters" to treat politics like a football game.
2013-04-15 11:12:36 AM
2 votes:
According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.
2013-04-16 01:28:20 PM
1 votes:
I'm sorry. You misheard.

They're not "values" voters. They're "value" voters.

They are voting to save themselves money, not to support public welfare, health, security or morality. Helping the sick, poor, needy, etc. is costly. It's really cheap for them to rant about how gays are destroying their marriages unless their ex-wives show up and demand their alimony and child support payments while they still have beer money in their pockets. Or your pockets.

This is why the word "conservative", originally meaning tight-fisted, cheap, miserly, is identified with "value" voters, while everybody else is a "liberal", which means a person who is giving, generous and free-spending for a good purpose. You will find that many "conservatives" are social liberals, which is to say, Good Christians, Good Jews, Good Muslims, etc. They want the Government to help. They want to help. They want you to help. Somebody, not necessarily the most needy, but somebody.

Fear them. They are far more dangerous than free thinkers, radicals, or socialists. They've been known to vote for tax increases to pay for schools, hospitals, libraries, roads, and other socially useful things. They don't mind paying high taxes any more than Ned Flanders does. Some people just don't like to work, God bless 'em, says Flanders. These do-gooders are the natural enemy of elites and middle or working class fiscal conservatives alike, not to mention being the exact opposite of fundamentalist Pharisees, Scribes and Sadducees. They don't care what it costs if it needs to be done. If it needs to be done, chances are that they, Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican, moderate or radical, will do it and then ask for government support when they find they can't do it all.
2013-04-15 02:33:31 PM
1 votes:
The serious answer is because it's easy to hate and hard to love. It's easy to point your finger at someone doing something against your religion and hate them. It's hard to give that person a hug and help them stand back up.
2013-04-15 02:09:43 PM
1 votes:
Why is homosexuality considered so much more grave a sin than not helping the poor? When Christ talked about people going to hell, he almost exclusively named two groups - nonbelievers and those who refused to help the poor and the downtrodden. Not once did he mention someone going to hell for any sex-related sin. In fact, the only sex-related sin he ever talked about was adultery, and it was in the context of when you could get divorced.

Oh yeah, that reminds me: Christ said the only licit divorce is when one spouse cheats on the other. Any other kind of divorce means both are guilty of sin. How many divorced Christians do you know who complain about homosexuality? Exactly.

/ not a Christian
// not religious at all
/// likes to study religion
2013-04-15 01:33:40 PM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: I_C_Weener: Epoch_Zero: I_C_Weener: What have you done for Haiti?

Donated to the Red Cross Haiti fund. I didn't even try to convince people trying to put their country back together to change religion or pity them enough, or think so lowly of them that I would go there, flaunting my opulent lifestyle among their poverty, and personally give out things that I deem they need to make their lives better according to my personal views.

So, a one time donation gives you the ability to critique what some churches are doing quarterly.  A once and forget it donation.  Good for you.  They probably don't need any more help on an ongoing basis.

I salute you and your ability to complain about those who are willing to continue helping.

A single can of food is worth more than a thousand Bibles.


"Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God"   (That's from memory, so I probably misquoted it.)

Anyway, canned bread is disgusting.

Give whatever it is within your ability and judgement to give.  Don't begrudge somebody who gave, but is less committed to the cause than you.  Don't disparage those who have apparently drank the Kool-Aid and are waaay more committed than you - their worldview and motivations are different than you, and maybe they're not all fools and attention whores.

Disclaimer: I both gave some money and went to Haiti on a medical mission trip.  If anybody is interested in doing the same, check out Project Medishare. They're based in a hospital now, but when I was there it was a tent hospital on the grounds of the Toussaint Louverture International Airport.  (They moved into the building a week after I left there).  The worst part was the frustration and dismay when faced with the sheer magnitude of human misery, of which we could only alleviate a tiny fraction.  It's so infuriating to see people who went to Haiti and gushed about what a positive experience it was.   Example  Well, I guess they're trying to help, in their own way.
2013-04-15 01:24:39 PM
1 votes:

Tailgunner Joe: That hasn't been my observation out here in the real world.

I do a dozen or so hours a month at 2 different food banks, nary a lefty in the lot of volunteers, I am probably the only heathen around. I have met some real decent people, are they bible thumpers?....absolutely, but at least they walk the walk.


Absolute opposite here.  I volunteer 3 days/month at one that would fall apart if none of the "lefties" showed up.  I always get a kick out of the "Father -----  Center" being staffed by gays, pagans, and gay pagans.

I could well believe that conservatives donate more monetarily, but without the liberals none of it would actually get anywhere near the people who need it.   They would actually have to rub shoulders with the poors and most of them I know could never tolerate that.
2013-04-15 01:02:30 PM
1 votes:
Helping the poor requires expending $ or effort. What fun is that when sanctimonious moralizing is easy and free?
2013-04-15 01:02:12 PM
1 votes:

CorporatePerson: desertgeek: Because "values voters" only value their own self. They really should be called "fark you, I got mine" voters.

They think that they're worshiping God, but God isn't real so they're just worshipping themselves.


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2013-04-15 12:30:58 PM
1 votes:
That hasn't been my observation out here in the real world.

I do a dozen or so hours a month at 2 different food banks, nary a lefty in the lot of volunteers, I am probably the only heathen around. I have met some real decent people, are they bible thumpers?....absolutely, but at least they walk the walk.
2013-04-15 12:25:33 PM
1 votes:
If there was ever a moment in which I agreed wholeheartedly with the Insane Clown Posse, it's this moment.

HairBolus: This is a behavioral opposition between compassionate values and disaster values.


And, this. There's a reason we're seeing a rise in the "doomsday prepper"/"survivalist" mentality - it ties into the "disaster values" discussion.
2013-04-15 12:23:31 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: FeedTheCollapse: Via Infinito: Parthenogenetic: Via Infinito:

Satire might be the wrong word, because it's factual.

My family is fundamentalist Baptist.  I am not.  That is the kind of crap you will hear in those circles.  ("God only gets  10%. Why does the government they they deserve more?")


You are 100% correct, I too was raised in a fundamentalist Southern Baptist family and I heard all those ridiculous statements on a regular basis. Its easy to write it off as satire or even trolling, but be aware that there ARE people out there that honestly believe these things are true. The pastor of the church I attended growing up used to say that 10% remark on a regular basis from behind the pulpit. Christians are REALLY into the whole "belief in a just world" fallacy because it allows them to justify living selfish, judgmental lives and still feel good about the rewards they are sure to receive in heaven. Because good things only happen to good people and bad things happen because you're a bad person who has angered God.
2013-04-15 12:23:25 PM
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: My family is fundamentalist Baptist.  I am not.  That is the kind of crap you will hear in those circles.  ("God only gets 10%.  Why does the government think they deserve more?")


I'm in the same boat. I feel for you. Do you go all Poe's Law on them at family reunions or just sit quietly hoping they won't notice that you're not joining in on the gay/Obama/liberal bashing?
2013-04-15 12:15:14 PM
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: Via Infinito: Parthenogenetic: Via Infinito: As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.

Jesus said "the poor will always be with you."

Think about what that means.

First of all, there will always be good-for-nothing moochers stealing from productive citizens.  Jesus knew this nearly 2000 years before Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Second, humans will never be able to eliminate poverty, because Jesus said so.  To try to eliminate poverty is not just futile, it is an act of human pride and defiance against God.  Poverty is a symptom of the deadly sin of sloth.  Welfare is also a sin, the result of the deadly sin of sloth, which causeth poverty, and envy, which causeth the poor to covet what their betters have earned.  Giving money to the poor only encourages them to mooch more.  To eliminate poverty, you need to eliminate the sin that causes poverty, and only Jesus can do that.

In Heaven, there is no Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security, no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 Housing, and no public transportation.  There is no affirmative action (unneeded, because there are no minorities in Heaven), no unions, and no unemployment insurance.  There are no job-killing OSHA, EPA, FDA, or Department of Labor to burden the job creators.  God only asks for a flat tax of 10 percent, as opposed to the 50% tax rate demanded by 0bama.  Why does 0bama need five times what God asks for?  Because he thinks he's five times better than God?

2/10
Way over the top. Subtlety is the best way to troll.

I think that wasn't trolling so much as satire.


Satire might be the wrong word, because it's factual.

My family is fundamentalist Baptist.  I am not.  That is the kind of crap you will hear in those circles.  ("God only gets 10%.  Why does the government think they deserve more?")
2013-04-15 12:06:31 PM
1 votes:
"Value voters" are poorly named.
2013-04-15 12:03:33 PM
1 votes:

dennysgod: [c0014449.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com image 600x450]


That's a good Goldwater quote, didn't realize he created a Beast he could himself not control with the Southern Strategy.

The worse thing about getting religion into politics is the presumption that you're group is good and your opponents are evil.
Since evil cannot be compromised with, any concession to evil is a loss... that's how you have the deadlock in Congress today.
2013-04-15 11:52:21 AM
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I_C_Weener: that Christian charities get grief for it


They are so persecuted. The poor christian charities.
2013-04-15 11:49:50 AM
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I_C_Weener: Philip Francis Queeg: I_C_Weener: Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf

A local church rebuilt a kids' home and school in Haiti, and funded it each year since the big earthquake.  What have you done for Haiti?  There is a mission trip there twice a year.  One of the members paid for a doctor to come to his office in the US then gave him eye surgery for free so that this doctor could continue to practice medicine for his community.  They might even have thrown in a bible or two.

Sure, its fun saying that Christian missionaries are there to exploit, but you might need to get your own hands a bit dirty before you can feel too superior.

Are you under the impression that only Christian charities support those in need in Haiti?

I'm under the impression that Christian charities get grief for it when other's don't at the same rate.


Ah, yes, the "religious people are more charitable" argument.
2013-04-15 11:43:33 AM
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I_C_Weener: Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf

A local church rebuilt a kids' home and school in Haiti, and funded it each year since the big earthquake.  What have you done for Haiti?  There is a mission trip there twice a year.  One of the members paid for a doctor to come to his office in the US then gave him eye surgery for free so that this doctor could continue to practice medicine for his community.  They might even have thrown in a bible or two.

Sure, its fun saying that Christian missionaries are there to exploit, but you might need to get your own hands a bit dirty before you can feel too superior.


Are you under the impression that only Christian charities support those in need in Haiti?
2013-04-15 11:40:32 AM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf


A local church rebuilt a kids' home and school in Haiti, and funded it each year since the big earthquake.  What have you done for Haiti?  There is a mission trip there twice a year.  One of the members paid for a doctor to come to his office in the US then gave him eye surgery for free so that this doctor could continue to practice medicine for his community.  They might even have thrown in a bible or two.

Sure, its fun saying that Christian missionaries are there to exploit, but you might need to get your own hands a bit dirty before you can feel too superior.
2013-04-15 11:36:32 AM
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Parthenogenetic: Via Infinito: As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.

Jesus said "the poor will always be with you."

Think about what that means.

First of all, there will always be good-for-nothing moochers stealing from productive citizens.  Jesus knew this nearly 2000 years before Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Second, humans will never be able to eliminate poverty, because Jesus said so.  To try to eliminate poverty is not just futile, it is an act of human pride and defiance against God.  Poverty is a symptom of the deadly sin of sloth.  Welfare is also a sin, the result of the deadly sin of sloth, which causeth poverty, and envy, which causeth the poor to covet what their betters have earned.  Giving money to the poor only encourages them to mooch more.  To eliminate poverty, you need to eliminate the sin that causes poverty, and only Jesus can do that.

In Heaven, there is no Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security, no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 Housing, and no public transportation.  There is no affirmative action (unneeded, because there are no minorities in Heaven), no unions, and no unemployment insurance.  There are no job-killing OSHA, EPA, FDA, or Department of Labor to burden the job creators.  God only asks for a flat tax of 10 percent, as opposed to the 50% tax rate demanded by 0bama.  Why does 0bama need five times what God asks for?  Because he thinks he's five times better than God?


2/10
Way over the top. Subtlety is the best way to troll.
2013-04-15 11:32:40 AM
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Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf


$5 says that the bible he is handing her is an english language bible.
2013-04-15 11:28:49 AM
1 votes:
Values Voters:
api.ning.com

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf
2013-04-15 11:28:33 AM
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Because "values" means "I have no logical basis for my beliefs, but gays and blacks are icky."
2013-04-15 11:18:46 AM
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coeyagi: Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.

I wish there was as kernel of truth in that so the Kardashians could be properly dealt with.


Or Paris Hilton. Or Lindsay Lohan. Or Amanda Bynes.
2013-04-15 11:14:49 AM
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Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.


I wish there was as kernel of truth in that so the Kardashians could be properly dealt with.
2013-04-15 11:14:33 AM
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Prosperity gospel dictates otherwise.
2013-04-15 11:13:53 AM
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It probably has something to do with the fact that their opposing party isn't actively trying to make people poor, so there's largely no disagreement on that front.
 
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