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(Some Guy)   Why is it that so-called 'values voters' care more about gay marriage and evolution than protecting the weak and helping the poor?   (churchandstate.org.uk) divider line 132
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2013-04-15 11:03:15 AM
Because the poor are nothing more than low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worms!!  Hanging's too good for them!  Burning's too good for them!  They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!!!
 
2013-04-15 11:04:30 AM
Because Jesus said all kinds of things about hating gay people and evolution, and nothing about the weak and the poor.
 
2013-04-15 11:07:37 AM

UberDave: Because the poor are nothing more than low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worms!!  Hanging's too good for them!  Burning's too good for them!  They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!!!


In that order?
 
2013-04-15 11:08:54 AM
If they were good god-fearing Christians they wouldn't be poor.
 
2013-04-15 11:10:15 AM
Because it's what Jesus commanded in the Bible, duh.
 
2013-04-15 11:10:55 AM
because they aren't who they say they are. they are hateful,selfish,paranoid bedwetters.
 
2013-04-15 11:10:58 AM
Being gay and believing in Science makes you morally poor (or something), so they're just attacking the root cause.
 
2013-04-15 11:11:15 AM
This just occurred to the author.
 
2013-04-15 11:11:31 AM
Fundies are fearful people. They worry about the wrath of God and going to Hell a LOT. They think that by tolerating sin (in particular, the icky gays and the destruction of unborn babies) they are committing atrocities themselves that they'll have to answer for in the afterlife. Their fear keeps them from being able to look at the issues objectively. "Sorry Venkman, I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought."


As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.
 
2013-04-15 11:12:36 AM
According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.
 
2013-04-15 11:13:04 AM

Cletus C.: This just occurred to the author.


Still waiting for anything of intelligent thought to occur to values voters.
 
2013-04-15 11:13:30 AM
Because value voter is not the same thing as what would Jesus do?

A value voter is the result of the Southern Strategy employed by conservatives for the past 30 some years.

The Southern Strategy has been to send a wedge to separate people who would otherwise vote similarly.

Religion and race has been the favored wedge issue to separate folks in the south, for GOP voting purposes.

Though it does seem odd to denounce evolution, gays, and the poor as being lazy in one breath.
 
2013-04-15 11:13:40 AM

coeyagi: Being gay and believing in Science makes you morally poor (or something), so they're just attacking the root cause.


Gay science?
 
2013-04-15 11:13:53 AM
It probably has something to do with the fact that their opposing party isn't actively trying to make people poor, so there's largely no disagreement on that front.
 
2013-04-15 11:14:29 AM
Because liberals care about them and it's the job of "values voters" to treat politics like a football game.
 
2013-04-15 11:14:33 AM
Prosperity gospel dictates otherwise.
 
2013-04-15 11:14:49 AM

Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.


I wish there was as kernel of truth in that so the Kardashians could be properly dealt with.
 
2013-04-15 11:15:17 AM
Concern trolling for the poor. Always a winning move.
 
2013-04-15 11:16:02 AM
Kind of like how every Congolese death squad calls itself something like The People's Liberation Freedom Army.
 
2013-04-15 11:16:44 AM
Because they have sh*t values.
 
2013-04-15 11:16:55 AM
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2013-04-15 11:16:55 AM
If people that have a religion are taking over the country, why aren't they represented more in the mainstream media, or Hollywood? I've heard lately there's some money to made in those two industries, so yeah?

Sorry to interrupt your "Five Minutes of Hate."

/I'm an atheist
 
2013-04-15 11:17:18 AM

Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.


ww1.prweb.com
 
2013-04-15 11:18:38 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: If people that have a religion are taking over the country, why aren't they represented more in the mainstream media, or Hollywood? I've heard lately there's some money to made in those two industries, so yeah?

Sorry to interrupt your "Five Minutes of Hate."

/I'm an atheist


1/10

study harder
 
2013-04-15 11:18:46 AM

coeyagi: Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.

I wish there was as kernel of truth in that so the Kardashians could be properly dealt with.


Or Paris Hilton. Or Lindsay Lohan. Or Amanda Bynes.
 
2013-04-15 11:19:35 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: If people that have a religion are taking over the country, why aren't they represented more in the mainstream media, or Hollywood? I've heard lately there's some money to made in those two industries, so yeah?

Sorry to interrupt your "Five Minutes of Hate."

/I'm an atheist


3/10
Needs more passing references to foxnews or Teboe.
 
2013-04-15 11:20:48 AM
THANKS J.C.!
 
2013-04-15 11:21:10 AM
Because "values voters" only value their own self. They really should be called "fark you, I got mine" voters.
 
2013-04-15 11:22:16 AM
Because helping the weak and poor don't pay. Yet somehow we're supposed to let the free market take care of them.
 
2013-04-15 11:22:28 AM

Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.


"Prosperity Gospel" is about the most evil, malicious thing ever imagined. At its root, it says that starving babies and others incapable of caring for themselves are sinners unworthy of life. And it presents this as an expression of "God's love". Is there any greater perversion out there?

/also, that stupefying "The Secret" is just as bad. It is the same thing wrapped in a "no-Jesus" cloak.
 
2013-04-15 11:23:19 AM
reminds me of my parents who say they vote only on "family issues" but to them that starts and ends with "abortion."
 
2013-04-15 11:23:47 AM
Why is it that Jesus preached a message of changing your life, renouncing your possessions, and helping the orphans and widows and sick, and Christianity turned into a centuries-long argument about things like whether you need a guy in a robe to lift a piece of bread and wine into the air before you eat it, to get into Heavenworld?  And burned and stoned each other to death by the thousands over such arguments?  And now the message has morphed for many "Christians" into "God wants you to get rich using my simple three-step plan"?

I don't know.  People are strange.  Values turn into dogmas, dogmas turn into policies, and bureaucrats use policies to get what they want.
 
2013-04-15 11:27:03 AM
American christians go to church for business connections. WTF is a bible?
 
2013-04-15 11:27:08 AM
cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-15 11:27:42 AM
Answer:

In America, being "conservative" is about being in a club. It's about belonging in a group and being accepted into the group and embracing the platform that group stands on even if it doesn't make logical sense in order to fill the need to belong. Because for many Americans live such shallow and unfulfilled lives that they must voluntarily segregate themselves into tribes in order to wage a tribal war on each other in order to fill the gap missing in their personality and deepen their lives. Even though there is no test, or right of passage to become a member of this special club, it is fear of ridicule and fear of being ostracized by those they seek to be their peers that keep them in line. By vilifying and labeling anything not "conservative" as "liberal" this club has created for itself a cult of followers out of fear of becoming branded a member of the other tribe. There is no middle ground, there are no other options, to them there are only "conservatives" and "liberals" and if you aren't part of the "conservative" club, you are a filthy "liberal". But you better embrace and stand behind everything "conservative" or else you are a "liberal", period.

It's a members only club, and membership rules are strict...
 
2013-04-15 11:28:12 AM

Kibbler: Why is it that Jesus preached a message of changing your life, renouncing your possessions, and helping the orphans and widows and sick, and Christianity turned into a centuries-long argument about things like whether you need a guy in a robe to lift a piece of bread and wine into the air before you eat it, to get into Heavenworld?  And burned and stoned each other to death by the thousands over such arguments?  And now the message has morphed for many "Christians" into "God wants you to get rich using my simple three-step plan"?

I don't know.  People are strange.  Values turn into dogmas, dogmas turn into policies, and bureaucrats use policies to get what they want.


Ever watch "The Life of Brian?"
 
2013-04-15 11:28:27 AM

Via Infinito: As far as not helping the weak and poor, many of them believe in the prosperity doctrine. If you're poor, God wants it that way because you suck. If I have money, it's because God wants me to have it and I'm not about to give it to your unemployed welfare-abusing ass.


Jesus said "the poor will always be with you."

Think about what that means.

First of all, there will always be good-for-nothing moochers stealing from productive citizens.  Jesus knew this nearly 2000 years before Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Second, humans will never be able to eliminate poverty, because Jesus said so.  To try to eliminate poverty is not just futile, it is an act of human pride and defiance against God.  Poverty is a symptom of the deadly sin of sloth.  Welfare is also a sin, the result of the deadly sin of sloth, which causeth poverty, and envy, which causeth the poor to covet what their betters have earned.  Giving money to the poor only encourages them to mooch more.  To eliminate poverty, you need to eliminate the sin that causes poverty, and only Jesus can do that.

In Heaven, there is no Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security, no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 Housing, and no public transportation.  There is no affirmative action (unneeded, because there are no minorities in Heaven), no unions, and no unemployment insurance.  There are no job-killing OSHA, EPA, FDA, or Department of Labor to burden the job creators.  God only asks for a flat tax of 10 percent, as opposed to the 50% tax rate demanded by 0bama.  Why does 0bama need five times what God asks for?  Because he thinks he's five times better than God?
 
2013-04-15 11:28:32 AM

djseanmac: Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.

"Prosperity Gospel" is about the most evil, malicious thing ever imagined. At its root, it says that starving babies and others incapable of caring for themselves are sinners unworthy of life. And it presents this as an expression of "God's love". Is there any greater perversion out there?

/also, that stupefying "The Secret" is just as bad. It is the same thing wrapped in a "no-Jesus" cloak.


Oh I can imagine much much more perverse things.  Try harder.
 
2013-04-15 11:28:33 AM
Because "values" means "I have no logical basis for my beliefs, but gays and blacks are icky."
 
2013-04-15 11:28:49 AM
Values Voters:
api.ning.com

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf
 
2013-04-15 11:29:27 AM
These "christians" believe in a  twisted mish-mash of dominionist and prosperity theology. They believe that God literally rewards the pious with obscene amounts of material wealth while punishing the sinners with poverty. The more money you have, the more God loves you. The more poor you are, the more you're headed straight to Hell.

In their view, people are poor because they are not deemed worthy of God's love, while the Koch Brothers are adopted by Jehovah himself.


This also explains why the more wealthy are more likely to be religious. They want to wrap themselves up in a belief system that reinforces their status quo, where as those who struggle to survive are more likely to acknowledge that there is no god that cares about them.
 
2013-04-15 11:29:54 AM

djseanmac: Serious Black: According to the values of the Prosperity Gospel, people get what they deserve. The poor are wretched sinners who have turned their backs from God, so God is righteously smiting them with famine and powerlessness.

"Prosperity Gospel" is about the most evil, malicious thing ever imagined. At its root, it says that starving babies and others incapable of caring for themselves are sinners unworthy of life. And it presents this as an expression of "God's love". Is there any greater perversion out there?

/also, that stupefying "The Secret" is just as bad. It is the same thing wrapped in a "no-Jesus" cloak.


Letting babies die young means God gets them that much sooner. God gets aborted fetuses before they're even born! They should be supportive of abortion.
 
2013-04-15 11:29:56 AM

Cythraul: Because Jesus said all kinds of things about hating gay people and evolution, and nothing about the weak and the poor.


Done in two.
 
2013-04-15 11:30:10 AM

UberDave: Because the poor are nothing more than low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worms!!  Hanging's too good for them!  Burning's too good for them!  They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!!!


Praise the word of St. Hanover. Blessed by thy fists.
 
2013-04-15 11:32:25 AM

NostroZ: Because value voter is not the same thing as what would Jesus do?

A value voter is the result of the Southern Strategy employed by conservatives for the past 30 some years.

The Southern Strategy has been to send a wedge to separate people who would otherwise vote similarly.

Religion and race has been the favored wedge issue to separate folks in the south, for GOP voting purposes.

Though it does seem odd to denounce evolution, gays, and the poor as being lazy in one breath.


The Southern Strategy really only had one target, racial minorities. With racism becoming unpopular the GOP has been forced to create multiple targets to keep their base angry, afraid, and isolated from the rest of the country. That's why they now call out gays, scientists, and the poor (although that is often coded race talk). They have even needed to create enemies like Secularists and Communists even though the people who are actually part of those groups hold no political power.
 
2013-04-15 11:32:34 AM
Hey, they got bootstraps like everyone else.  Assuming they haven't pawned them for money to buy food.
 
2013-04-15 11:32:40 AM

Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf


$5 says that the bible he is handing her is an english language bible.
 
2013-04-15 11:34:20 AM
Because they are assholes who only care about themselves and use Jesus to try and convince everyone else that they aren't self-centered dickbags.
 
2013-04-15 11:34:35 AM

Saiga410: Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf

$5 says that the bible he is handing her is an english language bible.


The bible cannot convey it's true meaning unless you read it in it's original english.
 
2013-04-15 11:34:47 AM

Epoch_Zero: Values Voters:
[api.ning.com image 500x443]

/that woman's stupid smile
//'we're doing the lord's work, ya'll!"
///diaf


Ah yes...the self-righteous shiat-eating grin.  It's pretty common where I live.
 
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