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2013-04-15 08:34:55 AM  
The Cubs have always, and will always continue, to suck.

Go Cards!

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2013-04-15 08:55:21 AM  
Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?
 
2013-04-15 08:58:59 AM  
That's a lot of money for an outdoor yuppie beer garden.
 
2013-04-15 09:01:24 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?


They pay 17% to the Cubs.
 
2013-04-15 09:33:21 AM  
That's too bad.  I always liked playing "dodge the falling bricks."
 
2013-04-15 09:34:52 AM  

jims4x4toy: UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?

They pay 17% to the Cubs.


Yep. And the Cubs don't have to do a thing. They don't have to pay to clan the places, hire staff, worry about concessions or maintenance. Just a solid revenue stream for doing nothing other than not putting up a screen to obstruct the view. Pretty sweet deal for the Cubs when you think about it.
 
2013-04-15 10:01:11 AM  
4th in NL Central Division

yeah yeah yeah


We'll get'em next season.
 
2013-04-15 10:14:42 AM  
There's no hate like Cubs hate.  You're all just jealous of such a beloved and successful team.  Me and my bros always have a killer time at the game.  You just wish you had an awesome bar like The Cubby Bear to party at after the game with the Winnetka Crew.  Old Style!
 
2013-04-15 10:16:30 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 4th in NL Central Division

yeah yeah yeah


We'll get'em next season.


4th? You either have too much faith in the Cubs or are underestimating the Pirates and Brewers.
 
2013-04-15 10:21:02 AM  

Rapmaster2000: There's no hate like Cubs hate.  You're all just jealous of such a beloved and successful team.  Me and my bros always have a killer time at the game.  You just wish you had an awesome bar like The Cubby Bear to party at after the game with the Winnetka Crew.  Old Style!


Successful?
 
2013-04-15 10:24:40 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?


turns out the cubs have to pay the cubs suck tax... i know right, always with the hidden charges, also because of the building permit edict all building costs are raised 40%
 
2013-04-15 10:26:20 AM  

Rapmaster2000: There's no hate like Cubs hate. You're all just jealous of such a beloved and successful team. Me and my bros always have a killer time at the game. You just wish you had an awesome bar like The Cubby Bear to party at after the game with the Winnetka Crew. Old Style!


8/10.  You should've added a sentence or two in their demonstrating that you rarely actually go into Chicago (outside of the 2-3 Cubs games and 1-2 Bears games a season) and therefore have no clue how to get around the city.
 
2013-04-15 10:26:53 AM  

Nabb1: jims4x4toy: UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?

They pay 17% to the Cubs.

Yep. And the Cubs don't have to do a thing. They don't have to pay to clan the places, hire staff, worry about concessions or maintenance. Just a solid revenue stream for doing nothing other than not putting up a screen to obstruct the view. Pretty sweet deal for the Cubs when you think about it.


Well, except pay the players, maintain the park, negotiate contracts, draft players, operate their minor league teams, scout HS, college, semi-pro, and professional players and teams, hire coaching staffs, etc. But after that and a hundred other things, you're right!

;)
 
2013-04-15 10:27:07 AM  
Cubs and Sox both 4th in their respective divisions! Woooooohooooooo! Wait 'til next year!

/sigh
//Sox fan
 
2013-04-15 10:29:02 AM  

Fubegra: Cubs and Sox both 4th in their respective divisions! Woooooohooooooo! Wait 'til next year!

/sigh
//Sox fan


not even June, the rocks are a top 25 team for Hank's sake.
 
2013-04-15 10:32:03 AM  

balki1867: Rapmaster2000: There's no hate like Cubs hate. You're all just jealous of such a beloved and successful team. Me and my bros always have a killer time at the game. You just wish you had an awesome bar like The Cubby Bear to party at after the game with the Winnetka Crew. Old Style!

8/10.  You should've added a sentence or two in their demonstrating that you rarely actually go into Chicago (outside of the 2-3 Cubs games and 1-2 Bears games a season) and therefore have no clue how to get around the city.


I never go to the city because it is so dangerous.  One time we were driving to the city and we got off in this bad neighborhood and we saw the "brothers" out on the corner.  If you are in Chicago at night then you need to run every stoplight because if you stop then you'll get robbed by the "brothers".  Wrigley is the only good thing about the city.  That and John Barleycorn - best bar ever.
 
2013-04-15 10:40:40 AM  
You can't polish a turd!  Tear the piece of crap stadium down.
 
2013-04-15 10:42:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I never go to the city because it is so dangerous. One time we were driving to the city and we got off in this bad neighborhood and we saw the "brothers" out on the corner. If you are in Chicago at night then you need to run every stoplight because if you stop then you'll get robbed by the "brothers". Wrigley is the only good thing about the city. That and John Barleycorn - best bar ever.


LOL, nailed it!

I was out near Wrigley with a friend from Naperville once who wanted to go to Barleycorn to meet up with some of his friends.  We went there and they weren't there.  That's when I asked him if they were at the other John Barleycorn and I blew his mind.  He was also PO'ed at me for the rest of the night bc he thought I was messing with him by not telling him about the multiple locations sooner.

(and did I seriously screw up 'there' and 'their' in my Weeners.  Gah)
 
2013-04-15 10:45:55 AM  

balki1867: Rapmaster2000: I never go to the city because it is so dangerous. One time we were driving to the city and we got off in this bad neighborhood and we saw the "brothers" out on the corner. If you are in Chicago at night then you need to run every stoplight because if you stop then you'll get robbed by the "brothers". Wrigley is the only good thing about the city. That and John Barleycorn - best bar ever.

LOL, nailed it!

I was out near Wrigley with a friend from Naperville once who wanted to go to Barleycorn to meet up with some of his friends.  We went there and they weren't there.  That's when I asked him if they were at the other John Barleycorn and I blew his mind.  He was also PO'ed at me for the rest of the night bc he thought I was messing with him by not telling him about the multiple locations sooner.

(and did I seriously screw up 'there' and 'their' in my Weeners.  Gah)


When I graduated from Purdue, most of my friends moved to Chicago and whenever I visited it was all John freaking Barleycorn all the time.  I hate that stupid bar.  It's like a frat party for people in their mid-twenties.
 
2013-04-15 10:47:51 AM  

johnnyflii: You can't polish a turd!  Tear the piece of crap stadium down.


Which is illegal under city ordinance. The marquee, ivy and scoreboard are all local landmarks and cannot be torn down or altered without city permission.
 
2013-04-15 10:53:20 AM  
Move 'em to Schaumburg.
 
2013-04-15 10:59:26 AM  
So the Ricketts finally figured out you cannot do anything in Chicago the legal way and decided to pay the bribe money being extorted from them?
 
2013-04-15 11:03:14 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?


It looks like they added a hotel to the company headquarters where they only earmarked for just the headquarters previously.  I can see the hotel aspect adding a few mil.  They also added the jumbotron to the todo list.
 
2013-04-15 11:04:34 AM  

balki1867: Rapmaster2000: I never go to the city because it is so dangerous. One time we were driving to the city and we got off in this bad neighborhood and we saw the "brothers" out on the corner. If you are in Chicago at night then you need to run every stoplight because if you stop then you'll get robbed by the "brothers". Wrigley is the only good thing about the city. That and John Barleycorn - best bar ever.

LOL, nailed it!

I was out near Wrigley with a friend from Naperville once who wanted to go to Barleycorn to meet up with some of his friends.  We went there and they weren't there.  That's when I asked him if they were at the other John Barleycorn and I blew his mind.  He was also PO'ed at me for the rest of the night bc he thought I was messing with him by not telling him about the multiple locations sooner.

(and did I seriously screw up 'there' and 'their' in my Weeners.  Gah)


The original is actually a very historical bar.

And your story would be better if they were at the one in Schaumburg.
 
2013-04-15 11:24:11 AM  
So they're finally renovating that "team" ?
 
2013-04-15 11:32:21 AM  
Bring back the Federal League Chicago Whales!The original inhabitants of Weegham Field and its last champion occupant!
 
2013-04-15 11:34:55 AM  

Nabb1: jims4x4toy: UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?

They pay 17% to the Cubs.

Yep. And the Cubs don't have to do a thing. They don't have to pay to clan the places, hire staff, worry about concessions or maintenance. Just a solid revenue stream for doing nothing other than not putting up a screen to obstruct the view. Pretty sweet deal for the Cubs when you think about it.


Well, for some reason they have to negotiate with the rooftop owners who make money selling the Cubs' product just for the right to spend $500 million of their own money to renovate the stadium.
 
2013-04-15 11:42:27 AM  

Iowan73: Nabb1: jims4x4toy: UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?

Also, fark those rooftop owners - do they pay anything for the privilege of selling tickets-that-aren't-tickets?

They pay 17% to the Cubs.

Yep. And the Cubs don't have to do a thing. They don't have to pay to clan the places, hire staff, worry about concessions or maintenance. Just a solid revenue stream for doing nothing other than not putting up a screen to obstruct the view. Pretty sweet deal for the Cubs when you think about it.

Well, for some reason they have to negotiate with the rooftop owners who make money selling the Cubs' product just for the right to spend $500 million of their own money to renovate the stadium.


There are contracts and agreements and lawyers oh my!
 
2013-04-15 11:56:05 AM  

Iowan73: Well, for some reason they have to negotiate with the rooftop owners who make money selling the Cubs' product just for the right to spend $500 million of their own money to renovate the stadium.



This really seems to be a concept that some people have difficulty understanding.  For one, you can't "steal" something that's taking place in full view of the public.  For that to be true there would be no distinction between private and commercial use, in which case any property owner or renter that could view a Cubs game, or any baseball game at another park, would have to pay for the "privilege" that  comes with the view.

The Cubs way back when accepted landmark status for money.  Part of that status mandated maintaining the outfield walls in a certain condition.  In 2004 the Cubs and Rooftop owners reached an agreement and in exchange for 17% of revenue and full renovations of the Rooftop clubs the Cubs agreed to leave the view unimpeded.

So yes, when you want to make renovations that would result in a breach of a contract you signed with third parties you do have to discuss the issue with them.  This concept isn't all that farking hard to understand.
 
2013-04-15 12:32:36 PM  

Saiga410: So the Ricketts finally figured out you cannot do anything in Chicago the legal way and decided to pay the bribe money being extorted from them?


The price went up after pissing off Emanuel with those plans to fund an anti-Obama smear campaign.
 
2013-04-15 12:56:06 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Wait, last year the figure quoted was $300 million - why the sudden skyrocket in cost?


The hotel wasn't part of the $300 million.  Supposedly the renovations are still quoted at $300 million and the hotel is the rest.
 
2013-04-15 12:59:16 PM  

Stoj: Well, except pay the players, maintain the park, negotiate contracts, draft players, operate their minor league teams, scout HS, college, semi-pro, and professional players and teams, hire coaching staffs, etc. But after that and a hundred other things, you're right!


Wait.  The Cubs have started a scouting program?

I mean, i believe you that in the formal sense, the Cubs participate in the draft.  They have a guy in a chair and he gets to pick names once in a while.   For example, here are all the names he picked in the first round over the last ten years:

2003: Ryan Harvey
2004: Traded away all their picks.
2005: Mark Pawelek
2006: Tyler Colvin
2007: Josh Donaldson and Josh Vitters
2008: Ryan Flaherty and Andrew Cashner
2009: Brett Jackson
2010: Hayden Simpson
2011: Javier Baez
2012: Paul Blackburn, Pierce Johnson, Albert Almora

All of these guys are or were baseball players, so the Cubs obeyed the rules.  They didn't try to draft Justin Bieber, or a smartphone, or a vague sense of hope.  So that's progress.  I'm encouraged that their next step will be expanding their strategy to focus on players who are good at baseball.  2019 NL Central Champs, here we come!
 
2013-04-15 01:03:55 PM  

chimp_ninja: I'm encouraged that their next step will be expanding their strategy to focus on players who are good at baseball.


They should farking hire you.

Couldn't hurt.
 
2013-04-15 01:05:36 PM  

Gosling: Saiga410: So the Ricketts finally figured out you cannot do anything in Chicago the legal way and decided to pay the bribe money being extorted from them?

The price went up after pissing off Emanuel with those plans to fund an anti-Obama smear campaign.


I just wonder how much money is going to be donated to Rahm's personal reelect Obama PAC.
 
2013-04-15 01:06:30 PM  

chimp_ninja: Stoj: Well, except pay the players, maintain the park, negotiate contracts, draft players, operate their minor league teams, scout HS, college, semi-pro, and professional players and teams, hire coaching staffs, etc. But after that and a hundred other things, you're right!

Wait.  The Cubs have started a scouting program?

I mean, i believe you that in the formal sense, the Cubs participate in the draft.  They have a guy in a chair and he gets to pick names once in a while.   For example, here are all the names he picked in the first round over the last ten years:

2003: Ryan Harvey
2004: Traded away all their picks.
2005: Mark Pawelek
2006: Tyler Colvin
2007: Josh Donaldson and Josh Vitters
2008: Ryan Flaherty and Andrew Cashner
2009: Brett Jackson
2010: Hayden Simpson
2011: Javier Baez
2012: Paul Blackburn, Pierce Johnson, Albert Almora

All of these guys are or were baseball players, so the Cubs obeyed the rules.  They didn't try to draft Justin Bieber, or a smartphone, or a vague sense of hope.  So that's progress.  I'm encouraged that their next step will be expanding their strategy to focus on players who are good at baseball.  2019 NL Central Champs, here we come!


Wait a minute - we passed on the smartphone?
 
2013-04-15 01:07:36 PM  

Stoj: Wait a minute - we passed on the smartphone?


It was a Kyocera Echo. You came out ahead.
 
2013-04-15 01:20:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: balki1867: Rapmaster2000: I never go to the city because it is so dangerous. One time we were driving to the city and we got off in this bad neighborhood and we saw the "brothers" out on the corner. If you are in Chicago at night then you need to run every stoplight because if you stop then you'll get robbed by the "brothers". Wrigley is the only good thing about the city. That and John Barleycorn - best bar ever.

LOL, nailed it!

I was out near Wrigley with a friend from Naperville once who wanted to go to Barleycorn to meet up with some of his friends.  We went there and they weren't there.  That's when I asked him if they were at the other John Barleycorn and I blew his mind.  He was also PO'ed at me for the rest of the night bc he thought I was messing with him by not telling him about the multiple locations sooner.

(and did I seriously screw up 'there' and 'their' in my Weeners.  Gah)

When I graduated from Purdue, most of my friends moved to Chicago and whenever I visited it was all John freaking Barleycorn all the time.  I hate that stupid bar.  It's like a frat party for people in their mid-twenties.


This is so true.
 
2013-04-15 01:32:36 PM  
Never understood hating on the Cubs. I chalk it up to people being old and bitter and having grown up without awesome grandpas and Superstation WGN.
 
2013-04-15 02:04:03 PM  

JudgeItoBox: Never understood hating on the Cubs. I chalk it up to people being old and bitter and having grown up without awesome grandpas and Superstation WGN.


And there's talk now that the Cubs might not renew their contract with WGN in a few years just so they can make more money.

I'm sorry, but I don't have a good feeling about these owners and keep getting the intention that they're just trying to make as money as possible without actually putting any effort into the team.
 
2013-04-15 02:48:42 PM  

JudgeItoBox: awesome grandpas and Superstation WGN.


So much this.  I had two of those grandpas - just lost the 2nd of them this weekend.

/He proudly claimed to have never seen a Cubs loss
//turned off lots of games in the 9th inning...
/clearly a BS - if funny - claim
 
2013-04-15 02:51:09 PM  

JudgeItoBox: Never understood hating on the Cubs. I chalk it up to people being old and bitter and having grown up without awesome grandpas and Superstation WGN.


As a White Sox fan, I do it in a good-natured way.  Some White Sox fans obsess over it, I'll give you that.  Its annoying.
 
2013-04-15 02:52:44 PM  

downstairs: JudgeItoBox: Never understood hating on the Cubs. I chalk it up to people being old and bitter and having grown up without awesome grandpas and Superstation WGN.

As a White Sox fan, I do it in a good-natured way.  Some White Sox fans obsess over it, I'll give you that.  Its annoying.


It's all part of the rivalry, as are the 23 popped collars Cub fans wear.
 
2013-04-15 03:09:16 PM  
I'm not sure I could be more underwhelmed by the conceptual drawings I've seen of the changes.  A food court with no view of the field?
 
2013-04-15 05:28:13 PM  
 
2013-04-15 05:38:42 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: I'm not sure I could be more underwhelmed by the conceptual drawings I've seen of the changes.  A food court with no view of the field?


There really is no place to put a food court with a view of the field anywhere in that park without disrupting any existing seating (and the field does not have enough seating as is).  I just hope they place bathrooms in or very near the top of the terrace seating.  I usually lose an inning and a half running down the sprial walkways to get rid of my old style.
 
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