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2013-04-15 02:37:53 AM  
Hehehe... That poor kid. There's no way I'd fire him, because you know he'll never do that again.
 
2013-04-15 02:49:39 AM  
Yeah, I feel bad for him.
 
2013-04-15 02:49:46 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Hehehe... That poor kid. There's no way I'd fire him, because you know he'll never do that again.


I'd ensure that by canning his ass mid-inning.  Seriously - if there is such a thing as a firing offense for a ball boy, "Interfering with a player" would be it.

And WTF was he doing leaving his post to catch it as an out in the first place?  Ball kids Do. Not.Touch. until the ball is dead.  What a maroon.
 
2013-04-15 02:50:53 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Yeah, I feel bad for him.


So do I.  He got over-eager  But he still deserves to be fired.  Let's hope it would serve as a valuable lesson in knowing WTF you're doing.
 
2013-04-15 03:05:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Fear_and_Loathing: Yeah, I feel bad for him.

So do I.  He got over-eager  But he still deserves to be fired.  Let's hope it would serve as a valuable lesson in knowing WTF you're doing.


Of course he deserves to be fired. But I still wouldn't do it. But that's just me, I've dealt with some people who have done some pretty dumb things while I was in the service, but later straightened up and made me proud. This kid is an easy reclamation project. Scare the hell out of him, reassign him for awhile, and soon you have someone who can train his own replacement as he moves up.
 
2013-04-15 03:14:48 AM  
Or, rather than firing him, laugh about life's foibles and move on. It's a game. It's fun. He goofed. He knows what he did and is clearly embarrassed. It's all good. Make him buy the pizza and beer for the after-game party or something.
 
2013-04-15 03:25:49 AM  
I see what you guys are saying - I just feel like there should be consequences for such a monumental f*ckup.  Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?  This wasn't that he stood up from his chair and slipped into a player's way, or tried to throw a ball back and hit the first base coach in the back or something.  This is really, really out there.  Going after a live ball, interfering with a player, and possibly changing the outcome of a game... dang, kid.  That's beyond bad.  That's all kinds of bad.
 
2013-04-15 03:52:18 AM  
Don't let him onto a baseball field unless he's a player or coach ever again.

Seriously, there are probably a few KIDS (this guy's bigger than the damn right fielder) who'd love the chance to NOT fark UP on and embarrass themselves on television.
 
2013-04-15 04:00:51 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I see what you guys are saying - I just feel like there should be consequences for such a monumental f*ckup.  Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?  This wasn't that he stood up from his chair and slipped into a player's way, or tried to throw a ball back and hit the first base coach in the back or something.  This is really, really out there.  Going after a live ball, interfering with a player, and possibly changing the outcome of a game... dang, kid.  That's beyond bad.  That's all kinds of bad.


If I fired everyone who ever monumentally farked up under me in my last career, I'd have never had more than one other employee with me at any given time.
 
2013-04-15 04:14:38 AM  

ekdikeo4: Benevolent Misanthrope: I see what you guys are saying - I just feel like there should be consequences for such a monumental f*ckup.  Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?  This wasn't that he stood up from his chair and slipped into a player's way, or tried to throw a ball back and hit the first base coach in the back or something.  This is really, really out there.  Going after a live ball, interfering with a player, and possibly changing the outcome of a game... dang, kid.  That's beyond bad.  That's all kinds of bad.

If I fired everyone who ever monumentally farked up under me in my last career, I'd have never had more than one other employee with me at any given time.


Perhaps you should reconsider your hiring strategy.  I've only once had to fire someone for a f*ckup, but it was a real doozy (struck a library patron).  But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to come to work, do their jobs, and not shiat on their desk.
 
2013-04-15 04:26:28 AM  

ekdikeo4: Benevolent Misanthrope: I see what you guys are saying - I just feel like there should be consequences for such a monumental f*ckup.  Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?  This wasn't that he stood up from his chair and slipped into a player's way, or tried to throw a ball back and hit the first base coach in the back or something.  This is really, really out there.  Going after a live ball, interfering with a player, and possibly changing the outcome of a game... dang, kid.  That's beyond bad.  That's all kinds of bad.

If I fired everyone who ever monumentally farked up under me in my last career, I'd have never had more than one other employee with me at any given time.


Is a hobo's apprentice really considered to be an employee?
 
2013-04-15 04:27:51 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?


Example one: Twenty years ago, I was a pressman for USAToday. One day, we were three hours behind deadline with a broken press, and not a single good copy printed. Corporate from across the country was on the phone every ten minutes, and we were approaching a second deadline where another printing facility was going to have to hire an overtime crew to do our job.

Lots of pressure, it was one guy on the crew's first day, and he was getting yelled at by everybody. Every time we tried to start the press, it would shut down and blow out the webs, meaning we couldn't start again for 10-15 minutes. We figured out a work-around, and finally get the press started, get about 1,000 copies printed (out of 83,000) and New Guy leans on a stop button. The foreman sent him home. Our Production Manager had to be talked out of firing him.

He is now the press foreman at the same facility.

I guess I'm just saying that you have to give people a chance to redeem themselves. I guarantee that if you don't fire that kid, he'll be at least damned loyal, if not any smarter.

Example two: I was a Staff Sergeant in the National Guard and we were going through a night compass course. We had one soldier who was the squad fark-up, and after we had hiked 3/4 of a mile through the mountainous woods, he reports to me that he left his field jacket and his backpack at the last station. So I send him and his rifle team leader back to get them. They get back, and he's left his rifle at the spot where he picked up his jacket and pack. So they had to go back again! At this point I told his rifle team leader that Sad Sack has demonstrated no ability to police up after himself and that from now on, if he loses anything, I'd no longer punish Sad Sack, I was going to hold Rifle Team Leader responsible.

What I didn't tell him was that once when I was stationed in Hawaii, my platoon rode up to the rifle range in a deuce-and-a-half, and when we all jumped out, the driver asked me to help him latch a warped tailgate on the truck. I hand my rifle to my buddy, he puts it on the seat of the deuce, and the deuce drives back to Schofield Barracks. Five minutes later, I get the sickening feeling that I'm missing something. I tell the Range Officer, and everything stops. For the ENTIRE FREAKING BATTALION! A few minutes after that, up drives our Division Command Sergeant Major, and he's carrying not just his rifle, but also mine. He found it in the middle of the dirt road that he was driving on to get to the range. Had he not found it, they would have closed the entire Base. After an hour or so of interrogation and an epic ass-chewing, and being assigned extra duty, AND having to address the battalion to explain the importance of maintaining possession of your weapon, I was allowed to qualify. I've never told this story to anyone, because it reflected pretty piss-poorly on me.

So I guess the reason I wouldn't fire that kid is because once he was me.
 
2013-04-15 04:37:27 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Benevolent Misanthrope: Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?

Example one: Twenty years ago, I was a pressman for USAToday. One day, we were three hours behind deadline with a broken press, and not a single good copy printed. Corporate from across the country was on the phone every ten minutes, and we were approaching a second deadline where another printing facility was going to have to hire an overtime crew to do our job.

Lots of pressure, it was one guy on the crew's first day, and he was getting yelled at by everybody. Every time we tried to start the press, it would shut down and blow out the webs, meaning we couldn't start again for 10-15 minutes. We figured out a work-around, and finally get the press started, get about 1,000 copies printed (out of 83,000) and New Guy leans on a stop button. The foreman sent him home. Our Production Manager had to be talked out of firing him.

He is now the press foreman at the same facility.

I guess I'm just saying that you have to give people a chance to redeem themselves. I guarantee that if you don't fire that kid, he'll be at least damned loyal, if not any smarter.

Example two: I was a Staff Sergeant in the National Guard and we were going through a night compass course. We had one soldier who was the squad fark-up, and after we had hiked 3/4 of a mile through the mountainous woods, he reports to me that he left his field jacket and his backpack at the last station. So I send him and his rifle team leader back to get them. They get back, and he's left his rifle at the spot where he picked up his jacket and pack. So they had to go back again! At this point I told his rifle team leader that Sad Sack has demonstrated no ability to police up after himself and that from now on, if he loses anything, I'd no longer punish Sad Sack, I was going to hold Rifle Team Leader responsible.

What I didn't tell him was that once when I was stationed in Hawaii, my platoon rode up to the rifle range in a deuce-an ...


Good times and good on ya. I burned through all my LT teflon in a couple epic incidents involving an F-117, a restored corvette and a topless model and billeting at Langley being evacuated at 2 AM in the rain. Wing commander put a ten foot no-fly zone around me and the pilot I was with. Came away with most of a single butt cheeck intact, but barely. Looking back at myself those years ago, I'm tempted to make my LTs these days walk in a line holding a string, like the kids at the day care center. God, was I ever THAT young? Good times!
 
2013-04-15 04:37:53 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Benevolent Misanthrope: Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?

Example one: New Guy leans on a stop button. The foreman sent him home. Our Production Manager had to be talked out of firing him.

He is now the press foreman at the same facility.


Example two: Lost rifle


 So, in Example 1: What if New Guy went to the press and started tinkering with things he had been specifically told to leave the fark alone, stopping the press?  Do you think he should be fired?  This is the equivalent of a ball boy chasing down a live ball into playable territory and interfering with a player.


Not being a soldier, I can't think of an equivalency for Example 2 - but my point is, these were both honest mistakes, not monumental f*ckups - though they could have had monumental consequences.
 
2013-04-15 04:52:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Perhaps you should reconsider your hiring strategy. I've only once had to fire someone for a f*ckup, but it was a real doozy (struck a library patron). But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to come to work, do their jobs, and not shiat on their desk.


1. There is no hiring strategy that would eliminate people who make a stupid mistake. The obvious reason is that we all at one time or another make stupid mistakes and fark ups.

2. this is a kid, and by definition, they are expected to fark up.

3. "these were both honest mistakes, not monumental f*ckups" doesn't make a lick of sense. especially when you go on to say that hose honest mistakes could have "monumental consequences".
 
2013-04-15 04:54:58 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Benevolent Misanthrope: Why are people so afraid to fire people for serious f*ckups?

Example one: New Guy leans on a stop button. The foreman sent him home. Our Production Manager had to be talked out of firing him.

He is now the press foreman at the same facility.


Example two: Lost rifle

 So, in Example 1: What if New Guy went to the press and started tinkering with things he had been specifically told to leave the fark alone, stopping the press?  Do you think he should be fired?  This is the equivalent of a ball boy chasing down a live ball into playable territory and interfering with a player.


Not being a soldier, I can't think of an equivalency for Example 2 - but my point is, these were both honest mistakes, not monumental f*ckups - though they could have had monumental consequences.


Example one, you'd have to meet this guy. He's the funniest person I have ever met, and most of the time he has no clue he's being funny. I love him like a brother, but good lord, could he epically fark up. He could reach into a bucket of pussy and pull out a dick.

Example two eventually turned into a decent soldier, but for the longest time he was a fawn on ice. As for me, I should have been punished much worse for my offense than I was. Had OFFICIAL word gotten out that a weapon was lost, my CSM's hands would have been tied, and I'd have been up on charges. I dodged a serious bullet.

I can't fault your logic. The kid deserves to be fired, and if I owned the Royals, and you were my GM, I'd back you to the hilt. But I still wouldn't fire him if it were my decision.

Spad31: Good times and good on ya. I burned through all my LT teflon in a couple epic incidents involving an F-117, a restored corvette and a topless model and billeting at Langley being evacuated at 2 AM in the rain. Wing commander put a ten foot no-fly zone around me and the pilot I was with. Came away with most of a single butt cheeck intact, but barely. Looking back at myself those years ago, I'm tempted to make my LTs these days walk in a line holding a string, like the kids at the day care center. God, was I ever THAT young? Good times!


As soon as this goes green, I've gotta "Funny" and "Smart" this post. I'd love to hear the entire story over a dozen or so adult beverages. Thanks for the understanding.
 
2013-04-15 05:02:53 AM  
plus I would imagine there is a good chance that kid is related to someone on, or connected to the management of,  the team.
 
2013-04-15 05:15:06 AM  

log_jammin: plus I would imagine there is a good chance that kid is related to someone on, or connected to the management of,  the team.


Oof! That might be even worse! If he was family, I'd fire him in a second!

Also Spad31 you must have been good at your job, because LTs from what I've seen aren't issued very much Teflon. Their careers can end quicker than a crocodile can eat a puppy. :)
 
2013-04-15 05:24:00 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Oof! That might be even worse! If he was family, I'd fire him in a second!


well of course you would. but when a family is able to pull enough strings to get their kid a "job" like that, the kids don't get. at worst reassigned.

and lets be honest here...It's the KC Royals. they haven't done a thing since 1982ish. He could have hit the player in the head with a bat and it wouldn't have the slightest effect on their seasons outcome.
 
2013-04-15 05:35:11 AM  

log_jammin: Benevolent Misanthrope: Perhaps you should reconsider your hiring strategy. I've only once had to fire someone for a f*ckup, but it was a real doozy (struck a library patron). But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to come to work, do their jobs, and not shiat on their desk.

1. There is no hiring strategy that would eliminate people who make a stupid mistake. The obvious reason is that we all at one time or another make stupid mistakes and fark ups.

2. this is a kid, and by definition, they are expected to fark up.

3. "these were both honest mistakes, not monumental f*ckups" doesn't make a lick of sense. especially when you go on to say that hose honest mistakes could have "monumental consequences".


What I mean by that is, there is a difference in intent.  Mistakenly leaning on a switch is not at all the same as consciously hitting the switch when you have been told not to.
 
2013-04-15 05:48:36 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: What I mean by that is, there is a difference in intent. Mistakenly leaning on a switch is not at all the same as consciously hitting the switch when you have been told not to.


I highly doubt he intended to fark up the play. It's most likely just a case of a kid reacting and not thinking.

He's out there for however many hours it is, bored, and every time the ball is hit he hopes it comes his way so he can do his "job". ball gets hit, he sees its coming right toward him and that it's a foul so he goes to catch it without realizing the player is able to(and trying to) make the play.
 
2013-04-15 05:57:39 AM  

log_jammin: Benevolent Misanthrope: What I mean by that is, there is a difference in intent. Mistakenly leaning on a switch is not at all the same as consciously hitting the switch when you have been told not to.

I highly doubt he intended to fark up the play. It's most likely just a case of a kid reacting and not thinking.

He's out there for however many hours it is, bored, and every time the ball is hit he hopes it comes his way so he can do his "job". ball gets hit, he sees its coming right toward him and that it's a foul so he goes to catch it without realizing the player is able to(and trying to) make the play.


Having been trained never to touch a ball until it is dead.  Yeah, I feel bad for the kid, but still say he should learn accountability.  Maybe I'm just a hard-ass.
 
2013-04-15 06:09:19 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Maybe I'm just a hard-ass.


I think we have our answer  ;-)
 
2013-04-15 06:14:00 AM  
Really, this is not much different than a fan interfering with a play, except the kid was on the field.

It happens, it is part of the game.  Much like the Hooters girl last week. But this kid just wasn't wearing hot pants and a tank top, instead he had a team jacket on.

The fielder didn't call it either.  He didn't have to but could have called the kid off.  The kid was twice the size of the multi-millionaire.  He is used to calling off other players.

In the end, it is baseball, it happens.  It is part of the game.  No one got hurt.  No one lost money.  Nothing got damaged.  No one got materially injured in any way.

Umpires make bad calls all the time that effect games. Birds get hit and balls get lost in poorly made domes. Center fielders get mauled by their team mates, pitchers punch doors. DUIs, PEDs, and other drugs.

Major f-up, hardly.

Poor judgement or too thrilled? Maybe.

Being a teen, most certainly.

The players are hardly perfect, don't expect a teen to be.  BTW, I'm a baseball fan.
 
2013-04-15 06:19:37 AM  
And in the course of 160+ games, it won't matter.
 
2013-04-15 06:28:33 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: log_jammin: plus I would imagine there is a good chance that kid is related to someone on, or connected to the management of,  the team.

Oof! That might be even worse! If he was family, I'd fire him in a second!

Also Spad31 you must have been good at your job, because LTs from what I've seen aren't issued very much Teflon. Their careers can end quicker than a crocodile can eat a puppy. :)


Finally coming home in August. You make it towards East Texas, and I'll buy the beers. Hoofah. Looong story! Will takes us more than a dozen beverages! Did I mention the K9s and the fire extinguisher and the fire suppression system being set off? Heh. More than once the Senior NCO had been the one pulling my dumb ass from the fire. Cheers! (Note: this is why you don't let pilots to their own devices. They'll get you into hot water!)
 
2013-04-15 06:32:13 AM  

Spad31: Note: this is why you don't let pilots to their own devices. They'll get you into hot water!


Mav, do you have that matchbook.  The one with the ad from Truckmasters?
 
2013-04-15 07:02:32 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing: Spad31: Note: this is why you don't let pilots to their own devices. They'll get you into hot water!

Mav, do you have that matchbook.  The one with the ad from Truckmasters?


Heh. Just read your bio. Good stuff. 40 is in my rear view as well, but 50 sure ain't as far ahead as she used to be. The thought of my teenager pulling some of the crap I've lived through terrifies me! Have a great day!

What the hell was this thread about again?

Oh yeah. Balls. Go figure.
 
2013-04-15 07:10:56 AM  

Spad31: Fear_and_Loathing: Spad31: Note: this is why you don't let pilots to their own devices. They'll get you into hot water!

Mav, do you have that matchbook.  The one with the ad from Truckmasters?

Heh. Just read your bio. Good stuff. 40 is in my rear view as well, but 50 sure ain't as far ahead as she used to be. The thought of my teenager pulling some of the crap I've lived through terrifies me! Have a great day!

What the hell was this thread about again?

Oh yeah. Balls. Go figure.


Lol.
 
2013-04-15 07:20:52 AM  
 
2013-04-15 07:22:18 AM  
Eh, the kid made a mistake, life goes on. Some of you people take things far too seriously. It may make total sense to jump a 30yr old for doing something woefully ingorant, but it doesn't help a kid one lick.
 
2013-04-15 07:23:04 AM  
I don't know who the kid is.  But do keep in mind that a lot of ball boys are relatives of team/management members, or part of some "keep kids out of trouble" community outreach program.  Makes it harder to fire them.
 
2013-04-15 07:30:29 AM  
wischlist.com
There should only be ball girls, not ball boys.
 
2013-04-15 07:40:24 AM  
The best thing this kid has going for him was that it was a Royals-Jays game.  You couldn't ask for nicer fan bases.  One exhibits this sort of slow-burning patience that explodes into a bout of near-violent apathy come June, and the other is Canadian.  It looked like a couple of fans in the front row were trying to say something to keep him from getting too down.

Now, if this had involved the Red Sox or Yankees?  We'd have people on the radio screaming for the kid to be run out of town on a rail, because for some reason northeastern baseball fans take their game way too farking seriously.  I'll throw in anyone in the Cubs fanbase that had a certain level of vitriol for Bartman.
 
2013-04-15 07:43:03 AM  
Not even close.
/he shouldn't be fired for that
 
2013-04-15 07:47:46 AM  
Uh, he prevented a home team out.  The worst he'll get is an autographed bat.
 
2013-04-15 07:47:58 AM  
Unless he is somebody important's kid, he would be fired. No questions asked.  I've seen bat boys pulled off the field mid-game for interfering in live play.

There was a bat boy a few years ago that ran out and tackled a streaker at home plate. The Braves bat boys got a 30 minute lecture on how they would get fired on the spot if they did anything like that.

Also, I get sick to my stomach any time I see a bat boy screw up like that.
 
2013-04-15 07:48:09 AM  
He did save the home team an out...
 
2013-04-15 07:49:23 AM  
*the bat boy tackle happened in an orioles/jays game, i believe
 
2013-04-15 07:50:31 AM  
 
2013-04-15 08:08:11 AM  

hogans: Here's a good ball girl for a change.


Holy crap...I was thinking that was incredible...until I listened to the video and the announcers sounded off.  Did a bit of searching and...wait for it...

http://www.snopes.com/photos/advertisements/ballgirl.asp

FAKE!
 
2013-04-15 08:10:19 AM  

INeedAName: Eh, the kid made a mistake, life goes on. Some of you people take things far too seriously. It may make total sense to jump a 30yr old for doing something woefully ingorant, but it doesn't help a kid one lick.


Yeah, I have never understood the mentality of some to fire an employee as "punishment" or to teach others a lesson. You fire someone when they're incompetent and you have somebody better to do their job, or when they're a threat to harm others or disrupt the workplace. You don't get anywhere by firing the kid who made a mistake (even an absurd "what the hell was he thinking?" move like this), or by firing the guy who accidentally served the mayor a chocolate shake instead of vanilla, or whatever. Is the implication that he shouldn't be allowed to be bat boy anymore because he's likely to do this again? No way.
 
2013-04-15 08:17:01 AM  

slayer199: hogans: Here's a good ball girl for a change.

Holy crap...I was thinking that was incredible...until I listened to the video and the announcers sounded off.  Did a bit of searching and...wait for it...

http://www.snopes.com/photos/advertisements/ballgirl.asp

FAKE!


The giveaway is also in the standup shot of the catcher...he goes from right handed catching to left handed after the 'great catch'....
 
2013-04-15 08:31:31 AM  
Isn't there a whole lot of belly aching going on at the moment about the need for more black kids to baseball?
 
2013-04-15 08:32:51 AM  

log_jammin: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Oof! That might be even worse! If he was family, I'd fire him in a second!

well of course you would. but when a family is able to pull enough strings to get their kid a "job" like that, the kids don't get. at worst reassigned.

and lets be honest here...It's the KC Royals. they haven't done a thing since 1982ish. He could have hit the player in the head with a bat and it wouldn't have the slightest effect on their seasons outcome.




Kinda clueless ain't you
 
kab
2013-04-15 08:37:47 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I just feel like there should be consequences for such a monumental f*ckup.


If only players were subject to such guidelines, no?
 
2013-04-15 08:40:08 AM  

charliebear: [wischlist.com image 300x400]
There should only be ball girls, not ball boys.


Of course then you run the risk of this: Link
 
2013-04-15 08:41:47 AM  
I'll submit this as the worst move by a ballboy ever..

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-15 08:44:51 AM  
i can't decide if it's better or worse that he didn't catch the ball.
 
2013-04-15 08:47:13 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: I'll submit this as the worst move by a ballboy ever..

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x288]


Ha! My kid and I were just cranking that video yesterday. Mom just rolled her eyes at the dumb boys dancing in the dining room. I would SO crank out those dances more often if I had Hammer pants!
 
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