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(Philly.com)   The Battleship New Jersey allows visitors to load and fire the ship's 16-inch main guns at Camden, NJ. Camden residents not expected to notice any difference   (philly.com) divider line 79
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2013-04-15 08:20:57 AM
If they really wanted to make some cash they'd offer up targets like Giants Stadium, Justin Beiber's house and that guy at PennCo Tech who said "You just aren't cut out for the high stakes world of photocopier repair"
 
2013-04-15 08:29:37 AM
Meh, if they get too uppity, perhaps Philadelphia will let visitors to the USS Becuna fire torpedoes at the USS New Jersey.

I would be remiss in not pointing out that more submarines have sunk battleships, than battleships have sunk submarines (I count 5 vs. 1).
 
2013-04-15 08:39:21 AM
Yeah but can it hit the guy in the parking lot stealing your car antennae?
 
2013-04-15 09:03:59 AM
The Battleship New Jersey allows visitors to load and fire.

Not really,  subbs.
 
2013-04-15 09:04:29 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah but can it hit the guy in the parking lot stealing your car antennae?


Which antenna?  My car has 4.
 
2013-04-15 09:09:21 AM
It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.
 
2013-04-15 09:10:43 AM

dittybopper: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Yeah but can it hit the guy in the parking lot stealing your car antennae?

Which antenna?  My car has 4.


ALL THE ANTENNAS!

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2013-04-15 09:12:23 AM
WARNING:  Battleship parking is restricted between the hours of 2 AM and 6 AM.  Battleships parked in violation are subject to towing.  Contact the New Jersey Ship Impound Authority if your battleship has been towed.
 
2013-04-15 09:13:01 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: and that guy at PennCo Tech who said "You just aren't cut out for the high stakes world of photocopier repair"


Seriously, dude, it's time to let that go.
 
2013-04-15 09:13:01 AM

maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.


And that doesn't even count the toll.
 
2013-04-15 09:13:48 AM

maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.


Ex-USS North Carolina in Wilmington is about the same price, older ship though.
 
2013-04-15 09:15:41 AM

maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.


Their normal tour is $21.00.  I went to visit it one day and laughed at the price and just looked at it from the outside.

There is talks of moving it to Liberty Park.. No doubt having some stupid NJ/NY slogan attached to it.
 
2013-04-15 09:16:49 AM

maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.


Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.
 
2013-04-15 09:20:40 AM
Would make an awesome 4th of July every year to actually load the guns with blanks are actually fire them.
probably break every window in the area but anyway. I always thought it would be cool to take a destroyer and tour the great lakes with it and do those type of shows. They have air shows, why not Navy ships? I have no idea how much it would cost to do a tour. I just like the idea.
 
2013-04-15 09:22:42 AM

Thrakkorzog: Would make an awesome 4th of July every year to actually load the guns with blanks are actually fire them.


I think firing those guns puts an incredible amount of stress on the whole boat. It would be cool and they would probably hear it at Valley Forge, but we already have the Olympia falling apart. We don't need two boats rusting away*.

*Hooters Barge does not apply
 
2013-04-15 09:23:17 AM

dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.


Because no one visits the thing. Have you ever been to the site? You literally ride through a dump and find it stashed back behind a concert complex next to a industrial complex..
 
2013-04-15 09:25:52 AM

styckx: dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.

Because no one visits the thing. Have you ever been to the site? You literally ride through a dump and find it stashed back behind a concert complex next to a industrial complex..


The Aquarium is nice. But that's it.
 
2013-04-15 09:29:43 AM

styckx: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour? That seems a little steep.

Their normal tour is $21.00. I went to visit it one day and laughed at the price and just looked at it from the outside.

There is talks of moving it to Liberty Park.. No doubt having some stupid NJ/NY slogan attached to it.


Sure, just like Hoover Dam...but I think you would get a lot more out of it going inside.
 
2013-04-15 09:30:52 AM

styckx: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Their normal tour is $21.00.  I went to visit it one day and laughed at the price and just looked at it from the outside.

There is talks of moving it to Liberty Park.. No doubt having some stupid NJ/NY slogan attached to it.


I'm a warship buff and gone to every other Iowa class museum (and the smaller clone the USS Massachusetts) but I pause at the USS New Jersey because it's in Camden.
 
2013-04-15 09:31:20 AM

dittybopper: I would be remiss in not pointing out that more submarines have sunk battleships, than battleships have sunk submarines (I count 5 vs. 1).


Does that count include Under Siege?

/ducks and puts on survival suit
 
2013-04-15 09:31:20 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: styckx: dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.

Because no one visits the thing. Have you ever been to the site? You literally ride through a dump and find it stashed back behind a concert complex next to a industrial complex..

The Aquarium is nice. But that's it.


And remember, if you go, take along several days worth of clothing, just in case.

/I saw what you did there, dittybopper.
//Hits styckx and PC Load Letter with his sailor cap.
 
2013-04-15 09:35:54 AM
'What did we hit, did we hit Philadelphia?' I said, 'It's a simulation, we're not blasting anyone out of the water.'

I was unaware that Philly was in the water.
 
2013-04-15 09:39:14 AM
it will cause thousands in improvements!
 
2013-04-15 09:42:07 AM
I would have picked a different turret and not called it the "turret II experience." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion
 
2013-04-15 09:47:53 AM

blatz514: 'What did we hit, did we hit Philadelphia?' I said, 'It's a simulation, we're not blasting anyone out of the water.'

I was unaware that Philly was in the water.


It will be if tourists keep shooting that thing at it.
 
2013-04-15 09:47:58 AM
I was a summer student at the Naval Research Lab in DC and got to help with the metallurgical analysis of parts from inside the USS Iowa's turret.  What a sad task that was.  Every time I see mention of an Iowa class BB I think about it.
 
2013-04-15 09:49:22 AM

dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.


Especially because you get to fire the main guns.

/It's true, I read it in on the Intertubes
 
2013-04-15 09:52:45 AM
I can only dream...

 "Helm, come to 315. Increase to one half.

Fire control, target fifteen degrees west at two miles. Compute.

What do you mean we can't fire on our own city? I want to see some kaboom!"
 
2013-04-15 09:57:36 AM

jeffowl: I would have picked a different turret and not called it the "turret II experience." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion


Came here to say this. Although at least it's the New Jersey.
 
2013-04-15 09:58:54 AM

imashark: What do you mean we can't fire on our own city? I want to see some kaboom!


Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!
 
2013-04-15 10:00:35 AM

imashark: I can only dream...

 "Helm, come to 315. Increase to one half.

Fire control, target fifteen degrees west at two miles. Compute.

What do you mean we can't fire on our own city? I want to see some kaboom!"


The USS Olympia will protect Philadelphia. It might be close enough that the 16" guns can't depress low enough to hit her. So it'd be Olympia's 8" guns against the Iowa's 5" guns.

Who am I kidding? The Olympia is in terrible shape.
 
2013-04-15 10:02:27 AM

dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.


If a young MaryAnn is included, this is a bargain!
 
2013-04-15 10:03:14 AM
It's a fun tour. I did a show there once and I got into all the restricted access centers it was pretty awesome.
 
2013-04-15 10:06:09 AM

shlabotnik: dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.

If a young MaryAnn is included, this is a bargain!


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2013-04-15 10:07:46 AM

poisonpill: styckx: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Their normal tour is $21.00.  I went to visit it one day and laughed at the price and just looked at it from the outside.

There is talks of moving it to Liberty Park.. No doubt having some stupid NJ/NY slogan attached to it.

I'm a warship buff and gone to every other Iowa class museum (and the smaller clone the USS Massachusetts) but I pause at the USS New Jersey because it's in Camden.


It is in the least worst part of Camden by far and the Aquarium near by isn't terribly depressing.  Although I used to go to the Baltimore Aquarium all the time so I'm a little spoiled on that front.
 
2013-04-15 10:10:10 AM
Parking that thing in Camden was a monstrous mistake.  Had they put it next to the Intrepid, it would be earning an ass-load of money.
 
2013-04-15 10:11:11 AM

dittybopper: Meh, if they get too uppity, perhaps Philadelphia will let visitors to the USS Becuna fire torpedoes at the USS New Jersey.

I would be remiss in not pointing out that more submarines have sunk battleships, than battleships have sunk submarines (I count 5 vs. 1).


That is both true and misleading. How many battleships were outfitted for ASW?
 
2013-04-15 10:11:20 AM
This thread made me think of the Three Stooges short where they fire an artillery piece and sink a ship.  Then the admiral, or somebody, fires one at them and you see the shell fly through the window and they ride it out the other window.

CLASSIC.
 
2013-04-15 10:11:36 AM
Each shell weighs the same as a VW beetle.
23 MILES they can toss those shells...
 
2013-04-15 10:11:59 AM
All I know about Camden, NJ I learned from Brett Easton Ellis
 
2013-04-15 10:13:34 AM
This year the battleship is asking the state for $1.75 million, nearly three times last year's $600,000 appropriation

Ok, I like battleships and think the museum stuff is cool but to be honest I think the State of New Jersey has more important things to spend money on.
We have plenty of other ship/boat (Carriers, battelships , destroyers, subs, LSTs liberty ships etc) museums around the country so one less would hardly be a tragic. We cannot afford to make every old ship a museum.

How many teachers oe firefighters could keep their jobs with $1.75 million? How many "Free" school lunches is that?

Of course I realize this is New Jersey and $1.75 million is just a drop in the bucket to what is lost to corruption and Unions. $1.75 million would only employ about 5 New Jersey toll workers for a year.

So I second thought better to spend it on the USS New Jersey just replace the toll workers with technology.
 
2013-04-15 10:14:28 AM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: imashark: What do you mean we can't fire on our own city? I want to see some kaboom!

Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!


If I recall correctly, we had the Missouri and the Wisconsin on station with us (USS Tripoli) just south of Kuwait during Gulf War One. One night they did some shore bombardment and I went up on the flight deck to have  a look. Even a couple miles away the concussion of those big guns going off would press you clothing against your body.

I felt a little sorry for the guys on the receiving end of that.
 
2013-04-15 10:14:36 AM
I was on the Missouri during PacEx '89, and got to see the New Jersey fire her 16-inch guns along with Missouri's in a simultaneous fire exercise. It was incredible (my ears were ringing for about a month after, but I'll never forget the sight), and I look forward to checking out the New Jersey and this exhibit when I move my grandparents up to South Jersey (they're snowbirds wintering in Florida) this Memorial Day.

 www.ussnewjersey.com
 
2013-04-15 10:23:52 AM

maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

NASA in Houston is jsut as bad now. Used to be pretty much free years ago but now to see the good stuff you have to pay money with different pricing levels all the way up to about $90.00 for the VIP treatment.


Space Center Ticket pirces
 
2013-04-15 10:24:52 AM

dittybopper: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Sure, but it's 3 hours long, so you really get your money's worth.


I took a 3 hour tour once. Ended up on a deserted island for 5 years.
 
2013-04-15 10:26:42 AM

TommyJReed: poisonpill: styckx: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.

Their normal tour is $21.00.  I went to visit it one day and laughed at the price and just looked at it from the outside.

There is talks of moving it to Liberty Park.. No doubt having some stupid NJ/NY slogan attached to it.

I'm a warship buff and gone to every other Iowa class museum (and the smaller clone the USS Massachusetts) but I pause at the USS New Jersey because it's in Camden.

It is in the least worst part of Camden by far and the Aquarium near by isn't terribly depressing.  Although I used to go to the Baltimore Aquarium all the time so I'm a little spoiled on that front.


I just took my daughter to the Adventure Aquarium while near Philly... pretty good Aquarium I thought... not the Shedd Aquarium level, but, some good exhibits.

And we drove through downtown Camden to get there... honestly, wasn't as "Scary" looking as many project Camden to be, although I just went down what I believe was the "main drag", so, I'm sure there are some worse side streets.   But, overall, wasn't as depressing as say, driving anywhere through Gary, IN.
 
2013-04-15 10:27:19 AM
I used to work aboard BB-62. At the time, it was staffed by wonderful volunteers who knew every inch of the ship, but the leadership during my tenure was more concerned with staff footwear than with figuring out a way to make the ship more profitable and attractive to visitors. I agree with posters above; the Camden location is less than desirable. The day I was confronted on my lunch break by two guys with coke smeared on their faces, I knew it was time to move on.
 
2013-04-15 10:28:54 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: imashark: What do you mean we can't fire on our own city? I want to see some kaboom!

Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!

If I recall correctly, we had the Missouri and the Wisconsin on station with us (USS Tripoli) just south of Kuwait during Gulf War One. One night they did some shore bombardment and I went up on the flight deck to have  a look. Even a couple miles away the concussion of those big guns going off would press you clothing against your body.

I felt a little sorry for the guys on the receiving end of that.


[Lawrence and Ali watch a British artillery bombardment in the distance]
Sherif Ali: God help the men that lie under that.
T.E. Lawrence: They are Turks.
Sherif Ali: God help them.
 
2013-04-15 10:29:58 AM
I should add that they let me fire the saluting gun on my last day, so it wasn't all bad.
 
2013-04-15 10:31:52 AM

hasty ambush: maudibjr: It costs 29.95 for a tour?  That seems a little steep.
NASA in Houston is jsut as bad now. Used to be pretty much free years ago but now to see the good stuff you have to pay money with different pricing levels all the way up to about $90.00 for the VIP treatment.



Oy, I was just going to say that at least the USS North Carolina is still a bargain. Last time I went (a couple years ago) it was basically an $8 ticket for adults, and you wandered around the ship at your own pace, following the path in a brochure, or you tagged along with one of the volunteer guides (usually a veteran). Pretty sweet, and you could easily spend all day wandering around.

Now I see on the website that's no longer the case, and if you want to wander around it's $125 per hour for a group of up to eight, or $15 per person per hour, with a one-month reservation required. Sheesh. So much for the days of taking the water taxi across the river on a whim and walking around, talking to the vets and looking for the alligator that lived under the pier.
 
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