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(Guardian)   Ron Paul teams up with Gary North--a guy who believes in stoning gays--to create a homeschooling curriculum. RON PAUL   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 164
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2013-04-15 01:59:22 AM
TFA doesn't mention the stoning-the-gays bit, but Gary North is pretty well known for that position. Lest people think that's just a liberal smear job, here's an article from Reason talking about just that.
 
2013-04-15 05:55:11 AM
I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system.

However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.

Would it be nice if he found someone other than the bigot? Yes, it will.

Also, I doubt that liberals really do give a shiat (or hardly any of them would care) if it wasnt an extremist teaming up with Paul. There are other christians who are more sane that you could create a religious homeschool teaching without advocating genocide.
 
2013-04-15 08:01:47 AM
He wants to get me stoned? That depends on what he's offering. I like the milder shiat.
 
2013-04-15 08:32:57 AM
I already figured that home schooling was about 10% anti-establishment hippies and about 90% religious nutjobs.
 
2013-04-15 08:45:24 AM
Could be worse:  Bob Dylan things everybody should get stoned.
 
2013-04-15 08:46:21 AM
I do strongly agree with this point in TFA:

When they talk about government tyranny, they're not just talking about statutes and regulations: they're talking about supreme court case law, too. Paul, for example, believes that Roe v Wade is illegitimate, and that states should be able to criminalize abortion, regardless of what the supreme court has to say.

I've seen so many RON PAUL fans talk about him like he's an actual libertarian: "Due, RON PAUL wants to legalize weed."  Uh, no.  The end result of RON PAUL's policies being fully put into place would be that many states would, basically, become theocracies.
 
2013-04-15 08:48:00 AM
Remember folks. This is the guy that his worshippers - err - I mean supporters (not really) want us to believe is totally for human rights and freedom.

"Totally" not batshiat crazy, either.
 
2013-04-15 08:57:15 AM

jake_lex: I do strongly agree with this point in TFA:

When they talk about government tyranny, they're not just talking about statutes and regulations: they're talking about supreme court case law, too. Paul, for example, believes that Roe v Wade is illegitimate, and that states should be able to criminalize abortion, regardless of what the supreme court has to say.

I've seen so many RON PAUL fans talk about him like he's an actual libertarian: "Due, RON PAUL wants to legalize weed."  Uh, no.  The end result of RON PAUL's policies being fully put into place would be that many states would, basically, become theocracies.


He also advocates returning to the gold standard.  That alone should warn people off him.
 
2013-04-15 09:11:08 AM
Look, just because North advocates the most horrifically oppressive style of government this side of Stalinism doesn't mean that it's incompatible with the individual liberty and freedom from governmental oppression that RON PAUL and this merry band of faux-libertarians claim to support.

I mean, North also advocates a gold standard, certain aspects of Austrian economics, and corporatism. . And remember, taxation policy and regulatory practices are far more oppressive than theocratic fascism.
 
2013-04-15 09:21:14 AM
FTFA: Paul's new director of curriculum development is Gary North, the son-in-law of founder RJ Rushdoony. Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

R.J. Rushdoony is some really scary shiat. And the other people in the article like Santorum and Huckabee have flirted with it too. You can read a lot of his stuff online at his Chalcedon.edu website.
 
2013-04-15 09:22:28 AM

cman: Also, I doubt that liberals really do give a shiat (or hardly any of them would care) if it wasnt an extremist teaming up with Paul.


A religious extremist teaming up with Ron Paul.
Isn't that more than a bit redundant?
 
2013-04-15 09:23:27 AM
Weird.

In his early career, he did a lot of gay scenes.

Wait, what Mr. North are we talking about?
 
2013-04-15 09:23:42 AM

UNC_Samurai: He also advocates returning to the gold standard. That alone should warn people off him.


Great libertarian argument, though: "The dollar is worth nothing! Our economy can't survive on arbitrary value placed on artificial parameters! We should place value in this rock, BECUD ITZ PWIDDY!!!!"
 
2013-04-15 09:23:58 AM
Nothing says personal liberty like being brutally murdered simply for being who you are.
 
2013-04-15 09:24:38 AM

SovietCanuckistan: Weird.

In his early career, he did a lot of gay scenes.

Wait, what Mr. North are we talking about?


You're talking about a porn star, aren't you?
 
2013-04-15 09:26:03 AM
To be fair, to become a Paulian, one must be devoid of all basic logic and analytic skills and that kind of training needs to start pretty young.
 
2013-04-15 09:27:39 AM
But remember guys, Ron Paul is totally a libertarian who doesn't believe in religious fundamentalism or oppression just like he doesn't believe in government oppression, and is really committed to freedom for everyone beyond just making sure the federal government has no power.
 
2013-04-15 09:28:04 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Paul's new director of curriculum development is Gary North, the son-in-law of founder RJ Rushdoony. Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

R.J. Rushdoony is some really scary shiat. And the other people in the article like Santorum and Huckabee have flirted with it too. You can read a lot of his stuff online at his Chalcedon.edu website.


This Ron Paul you speak of sounds like he wants to institute Sharia Law. I suspect Obama is the puppetmaster behind all of this, but perhaps I've said too much.
 
2013-04-15 09:30:25 AM
Ron Paul is 100% ok with the local and state governments taking away your rights, he just doesn't think the Federal government should do it or get in the way if a state decides you're a second class citizen.

Fark religious fundamentalists.
 
2013-04-15 09:30:29 AM
Every homeschooler I've ever met has been a christian fundamentalist gun 'enthusiast'.
 
2013-04-15 09:30:32 AM

Cythraul: SovietCanuckistan: Weird.

In his early career, he did a lot of gay scenes.

Wait, what Mr. North are we talking about?

You're talking about a porn star, aren't you?


Aren't we all?
 
2013-04-15 09:30:55 AM

dittybopper: Could be worse:  Bob Dylan things everybody should

must  get stoned.
 
2013-04-15 09:31:23 AM
Much like DOCTOR Ron Paul, I am a Libertarian.  That means that I don't need the Federal government telling me how to stone gays.  I let the states tell me.
 
2013-04-15 09:31:52 AM

Somacandra: FTFA: Paul's new director of curriculum development is Gary North, the son-in-law of founder RJ Rushdoony. Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

R.J. Rushdoony is some really scary shiat. And the other people in the article like Santorum and Huckabee have flirted with it too. You can read a lot of his stuff online at his Chalcedon.edu website.


I studied Rushdooney a good bit in undergrad, he and the Christian Reconstructionists really do want to create a Christian Iran or Saudi Arabia. It's really bad news.

The reason this stuff terrifies me is because I know Reconstructionists and I know that none of it is a exaggeration.
 
2013-04-15 09:32:14 AM
Ron Paul is a twit. Nothing new here
 
2013-04-15 09:32:33 AM

rynthetyn: I studied Rushdooney a good bit in undergrad, he and the Christian Reconstructionists really do want to create a Christian Iran or Saudi Arabia.


So, Texas?
 
2013-04-15 09:33:14 AM
Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

I wonder if someone was to rape their daughters they'd still hold to their desire for "Biblical law."
 
2013-04-15 09:34:10 AM

Epoch_Zero: Every homeschooler I've ever met has been a christian fundamentalist gun 'enthusiast'.


Not my family. My mom got really mad at my aunt for giving us toy guns.
 
2013-04-15 09:34:31 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

I wonder if someone was to rape their daughters they'd still hold to their desire for "Biblical law."


fark, if their daughters get pregnant in high school they're the first ones to drive them across the border to get an abortion.
 
2013-04-15 09:34:57 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

I wonder if someone was to rape their daughters they'd still hold to their desire for "Biblical law."


I wonder where rapists like to register for wedding gifts.
 
2013-04-15 09:34:57 AM
It's based on the idea that the government is largelyillegitimate, and that one must create a society in which the populace will follow "moral" (that is, biblical) laws, rather than the laws created by an overzealous, tyrannical government

So hamstring a child's education, convince them the bible is true, and fill their heads with anti-patriotic rhetoric.........alas another Christian soldier is born.
 
2013-04-15 09:35:13 AM

cman: I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system. However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.


I'm sure if a Liberal in Congress developed a home-schooling curriculum that advocated killing Christians, you and your friends on the Right would have the same "hey, what's the big deal?" attitude. Right?
 
2013-04-15 09:36:07 AM
This is why it's stupid to be a one issue voter. Ron Paul people would scream from the rooftops that he should have been President because he railed against the military industrial complex and the Iraq War. Meanwhile, he's still an old bigot who keeps shady company and who doesn't know about the anti-black literature being passed around with his name on it.
 
2013-04-15 09:36:42 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

I wonder if someone was to rape their daughters they'd still hold to their desire for "Biblical law."


I've never heard them take a position on that, they prefer to focus on the stoning people part.
 
2013-04-15 09:38:31 AM

The Why Not Guy: cman: I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system. However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.

I'm sure if a Liberal in Congress developed a home-schooling curriculum that advocated killing Christians, you and your friends on the Right would have the same "hey, what's the big deal?" attitude. Right?


Hey man, reread my post.

I didnt take that position. I said that a parent has the right to have religious teachings in homeschooling. I then remarked:

There are other christians who are more sane that you could create a religious homeschool teaching without advocating genocide.

I took the position that having someone who advocated genocide was bad to work on said texts.
 
2013-04-15 09:39:05 AM

The Why Not Guy: cman: I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system. However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.

I'm sure if a Liberal in Congress developed a home-schooling curriculum that advocated killing Christians, you and your friends on the Right would have the same "hey, what's the big deal?" attitude. Right?


Why even go that far? Imagine a Democrat developing a home-schooling curriculum with David Duke. Same farking thing.
 
2013-04-15 09:39:48 AM

Bloody William: Satanic_Hamster: Reconstructionism is a movement based on the claim that God granted only limited "jurisdiction" to government, and that biblical law should supplant civil law in all but a handful of circumstances.

I wonder if someone was to rape their daughters they'd still hold to their desire for "Biblical law."

fark, if their daughters get pregnant in high school they're the first ones to drive them across the border to get an abortion.


Nah, they're the ones who stone people for abortion.
 
2013-04-15 09:40:01 AM

rynthetyn: Epoch_Zero: Every homeschooler I've ever met has been a christian fundamentalist gun 'enthusiast'.

Not my family. My mom got really mad at my aunt for giving us toy guns.


That's good on you. Probably a great variation on the attitudes of homeschoolers. It's just I haven't met any that weren't doing so due to the godlessness of public schooling and degradation of society's morals, etc.

The ones I've met could have been featured in this:
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2013-04-15 09:41:45 AM
Americastan.  Coming to a society near you, 2024.

//seriously, every American Christian fundie should f*cking kill themselves for being so god damn ignorant of why this country was founded.  You assholes give retards a bad name.
 
2013-04-15 09:42:51 AM

cman: Hey man, reread my post.


Hey man, I read it just fine the first time.

I didnt take that position. I said that a parent has the right to have religious teachings in homeschooling.

This isn't some nutjob teaching their own children to hate. It's a member of the United States Congress developing a curriculum. So I repeat... if it was a Liberal developing a curriculum advocating the murder of Christians, would you be ok with that? Yes or no?
 
2013-04-15 09:44:32 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is why it's stupid to be a one issue voter. Ron Paul people would scream from the rooftops that he should have been President because he railed against the military industrial complex and the Iraq War. Meanwhile, he's still an old bigot who keeps shady company and who doesn't know about the anti-black literature being passed around with his name on it.


He's a classic example of why being a single-issue voter is a bad idea. Legalized Federal weed means nothing when Governor-Father St Crispix forbids it at the Holy State level (as well as forbidding you to move to a different locale without paying an exit fee of several thousand God-Bucks, and requiring your signature annually on a Statement of Purity).

Libertarians like to think letting the states have ALL THE FREEDOMS will mean they all take advantage of them to form ultra-free zones. We might have one or two, but I guaran-damn-tee we'll have more religious states, due simply to the amount of ground they control now.
 
2013-04-15 09:45:29 AM

The Why Not Guy: cman: Hey man, reread my post.

Hey man, I read it just fine the first time.

I didnt take that position. I said that a parent has the right to have religious teachings in homeschooling.

This isn't some nutjob teaching their own children to hate. It's a member of the United States Congress developing a curriculum. So I repeat... if it was a Liberal developing a curriculum advocating the murder of Christians, would you be ok with that? Yes or no?


Hell no; I dont think its OK to advocate genocide. Just like I dont think its OK to kill all gay people.
 
2013-04-15 09:46:11 AM

The Why Not Guy: It's a former member of the United States Congress developing a curriculum.


This is a nontrivial correction.
 
2013-04-15 09:47:40 AM

The Why Not Guy: cman: Hey man, reread my post.

Hey man, I read it just fine the first time.

I didnt take that position. I said that a parent has the right to have religious teachings in homeschooling.

This isn't some nutjob teaching their own children to hate. It's a member of the United States Congress developing a curriculum. So I repeat... if it was a Liberal developing a curriculum advocating the murder of Christians, would you be ok with that? Yes or no?


Ah, I see we're trying to get a good honest debate going here? I think it's highly unlikely that any politician currently on the left would advocate for the killing of anyone belonging to another religion.
 
2013-04-15 09:48:05 AM

Dr Dreidel: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is why it's stupid to be a one issue voter. Ron Paul people would scream from the rooftops that he should have been President because he railed against the military industrial complex and the Iraq War. Meanwhile, he's still an old bigot who keeps shady company and who doesn't know about the anti-black literature being passed around with his name on it.

He's a classic example of why being a single-issue voter is a bad idea. Legalized Federal weed means nothing when Governor-Father St Crispix forbids it at the Holy State level (as well as forbidding you to move to a different locale without paying an exit fee of several thousand God-Bucks, and requiring your signature annually on a Statement of Purity).

Libertarians like to think letting the states have ALL THE FREEDOMS will mean they all take advantage of them to form ultra-free zones. We might have one or two, but I guaran-damn-tee we'll have more religious states, due simply to the amount of ground they control now.


Libertarians think state and local governments are much better at oppressing citizens than the federal government. It makes a sick sort of logic, because the argument is that the more granular the body of authority, like towns and states, the better informed they are to make policy. However, a lot of that policy deals with the populations and traditions of those communities, and when you're dealing with very, very homogenized populations you see a lot of people caring more about blindly following those traditions than preserving freedom for minorities to ignore them.
 
2013-04-15 09:49:06 AM

Dr Dreidel: DROxINxTHExWIND: This is why it's stupid to be a one issue voter. Ron Paul people would scream from the rooftops that he should have been President because he railed against the military industrial complex and the Iraq War. Meanwhile, he's still an old bigot who keeps shady company and who doesn't know about the anti-black literature being passed around with his name on it.

He's a classic example of why being a single-issue voter is a bad idea. Legalized Federal weed means nothing when Governor-Father St Crispix forbids it at the Holy State level (as well as forbidding you to move to a different locale without paying an exit fee of several thousand God-Bucks, and requiring your signature annually on a Statement of Purity).

Libertarians like to think letting the states have ALL THE FREEDOMS will mean they all take advantage of them to form ultra-free zones. We might have one or two, but I guaran-damn-tee we'll have more religious states, due simply to the amount of ground they control now.


You'd have ultra red states with theocratic rule, and blue states with laws like, "You can't drink a sugary drink without registering your consumption rate with the government first,' and 'absolutely no firearms within our state.'
 
2013-04-15 09:50:04 AM

rabidarmadillo24: I think it's highly unlikely that any politician currently on the left would advocate for the killing of anyone belonging to another religion.


We sure as hell celebrated OBL's death.
 
2013-04-15 09:51:58 AM

cman: I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system.

However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.

Would it be nice if he found someone other than the bigot? Yes, it will.

Also, I doubt that liberals really do give a shiat (or hardly any of them would care) if it wasnt an extremist teaming up with Paul. There are other christians who are more sane that you could create a religious homeschool teaching without advocating genocide.


It is common knowledge that American "conservatives" love inserting "religion" into their children, ifyouknowwhatimean.
 
2013-04-15 09:52:15 AM

cman: I would be more worried about it if it was the public school system.

However, this material is home school material, meaning that the parent can insert religious teachings if they wish.

Would it be nice if he found someone other than the bigot? Yes, it will.

Also, I doubt that liberals really do give a shiat (or hardly any of them would care) if it wasnt an extremist teaming up with Paul. There are other christians who are more sane that you could create a religious homeschool teaching without advocating genocide.


The fact that he did team up with an extremist says a lot about Ron Paul RON PAUL.
 
2013-04-15 09:53:19 AM

rabidarmadillo24: I think it's highly unlikely that any politician currently on the left would advocate for the killing of anyone belonging to another religion.


I agree. That's why we have to hypothesize for an example from the Left, while unfortunately the headlines provide actual examples from the Right.
 
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