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2013-04-15 01:40:43 AM
7 votes:
So basically they built their own fifth wheel trailer instead of buying one
2013-04-14 11:45:34 PM
7 votes:
Shane admits that the tiny house lifestyle isn't for everyone. But for people who do want to give it a try, the Caverlys are offering to help them get started. They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

And there's the reason why they are living in that home.
2013-04-15 01:47:48 AM
6 votes:
48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower.  This is just hipster  attention whoring at its finest.
2013-04-15 01:43:09 AM
6 votes:
That isn't a house, it is a trailer.  And a small crappy one at that.
2013-04-15 02:13:18 AM
4 votes:
They're selling a replica of their own home for $48,000 and they can take custom orders, as well.

cache.kotaku.com

I just checked a nearby RV dealer's inventory.  Not a single  brand new travel trailer for over $39,999.  And that's the asking price.  Nobody pays the asking price.  And that one has about 350 square feet not counting slide-outs.  And it's designed from the wheels up to be towed down the freeway without falling apart.  Most travel trailers run about half that. And you don't have to spend months building it.  Just go down, write a check, tow it away.
2013-04-14 11:50:55 PM
4 votes:
At least the inlaws wont spend the night.
2013-04-15 02:34:02 AM
3 votes:
assets.nydailynews.com
Carrie Caverly uses her laptop to find a new husband while she ponders why life let her down.
2013-04-15 02:00:02 AM
3 votes:

RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower.  This is just hipster  attention whoring at its finest.


Came to say this.   It's a false savings that makes no economic sense.    I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew.    The part where it gets rough is the plumbing.    The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s.   They're gotten really good at it.   You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end.   Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated.   They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside.    This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself.   As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.
2013-04-14 10:46:07 PM
3 votes:
Even hippies will tire of that little of space soon.

/so will they
2013-04-15 03:49:47 AM
2 votes:
I saw those things when they first came out a couple of years ago.

The one's I saw looked like tiny cabins and they uses smaller strips of wood. There was a tiny wood burning stove in each and both had covered 'front' porches.

They were so cool!

I fantasize about going out of state to someplace like Georgia or Kentucky, finding several acres of nice, wooded not Florida flat, land and putting a couple of those cabins there. I could join them with an enclosed passage, doors at both ends, for myself or guests. (That way, there'd be privacy and limited crowding, plus weather protection when going back and forth.)

I could set them on cement slabs and anchor them in place. A nearby stream or well would provide water. A generator and/or solar power would produce electricity. During the cold winters, that little wood burning stove would be magnificent.

I could sit inside or on the porch and enjoy the solitude and beauty of nature. No more cars and noisy cycles blasting by every couple of minutes, no more Saturdays of 7:00 am roars of string trimmers, lawn mowers, circular saws, hammers and boat motors.

To get the same peace here in Florida I'd have to buy nearly 25 acres -- at $20,000 an acre. Then I'd have to put up with the yearly hurricanes and high property taxes.

A cabin in the woods even as a vacation home would be wonderful. I might even see swarms of fireflies again -- something which no longer happens in my heavily developed area. I could walk for hours in wild woods without palmettos, visit lakes and streams that aren't infested with gators, see trees that aren't just pine and oak.

And rocks. Real boulders poking out of the ground. Maybe search the creeks for gemstones.

Maybe Colorful butterflies and great clouds of Dragonflies again. You don't find them around here that much anymore.

Just people. Stinking, noisy, nosey people.

If necessary, I could buy one of those big, prefab sheds to store surplus stuff in. I'm not a big home craftsman, so I don't have drill presses, table saws, long work tables and walls of tools.

A tiny cabin in the wild woods.

Seems like heaven to me. Guests could come up, spend some time and go.

/(Sigh!) I can dream, can't I?
2013-04-15 03:09:14 AM
2 votes:

harlock: redsquid: Do any of these people have hobbies? If he's a contractor where are his tools? If your house is too small there's a diminishing return. There's no storage so there's no savings buying in bulk. You don't have room to store tools so you have to hire out for repairs and maintenance. Storage limitations also mean that items can't be stored for reuse or recycling. It may be great if you're a consumer with a passive home life, but for people with hobbies or home based businesses, it's a nightmare.

Yep, basically the hipster life style.  That's the one constant I've noticed between all these people, they don't DO things other than sit on their laptop drinking a mocha in their spare time.   And a lot of them try to force that extreme minimalist urban lifestyle on everyone.


She's a writer with a special blog. That's how they live now-her  blogging. That $130/year for utilities can almost be covered by their blog revenue, just as long as Mom & Dad help out with the other $128.74.
2013-04-15 02:31:09 AM
2 votes:

neongoats: Don't be jelly that you fell for the Bush Era job market and patriotically got suckered into a mortgage 3x as big as your house was worth,



"Jelly"?  Really?

You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.
2013-04-15 02:04:09 AM
2 votes:

redsquid: Do any of these people have hobbies? If he's a contractor where are his tools? If your house is too small there's a diminishing return. There's no storage so there's no savings buying in bulk. You don't have room to store tools so you have to hire out for repairs and maintenance. Storage limitations also mean that items can't be stored for reuse or recycling. It may be great if you're a consumer with a passive home life, but for people with hobbies or home based businesses, it's a nightmare.


Yep, basically the hipster life style.  That's the one constant I've noticed between all these people, they don't DO things other than sit on their laptop drinking a mocha in their spare time.   And a lot of them try to force that extreme minimalist urban lifestyle on everyone.
2013-04-15 01:10:11 PM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: Always been interested in how small an area people can live in. In Hong Kong, it's not at all uncommon to have a family of 4 in a unit of 750 square feet (with one bathroom, 2 very small bedrooms). I've seen it. Not much on privacy. On the otherhand, Hong Kongers tend to be smaller folks, used to smaller quarters, don't hoard as much stuff as Americans (how can they?) and are often way too busy to be at home. For most Americans, it would be a recipe for going nuts.


They're not doing anything that's new. Most Americans lived that way 60 years ago.

The average size of an American home in the 1950's:
Occupants = 3.7 people
Square footage = 983 sq.ft.

The Average size of the an American home in 2006:
Occupants = 2.6 people
Square footage = 2,349 sq.ft.

In ~50 years, Americans have reduced the average number of people in the house by 1/3rd, and increased square footage by 240%

/sources - Square footage - Occupants
2013-04-15 12:56:58 PM
1 votes:
"After Shane lost his home to the banking crisis, the couple wanted a way to become financially independent."

You know, I'm no friend of the banks, but I don't think the crisis "caused" this guy to lose his house. He over-paid and over-extended himself to buy too much house, buying more house than he could afford. Sure, the banks are complicit in encouraging him to do it, but you can't say the crisis caused them to take his house. He stopped being able to pay for it (or just stopped paying for it and let the bank eat the loss), that's why he lost it.
2013-04-15 06:43:19 AM
1 votes:
Unimpressed:

www.echome.co.uk
2013-04-15 05:26:13 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: I mean, I get the criticism of the craftsmanship, not the criticism of the life choice. That being: "living someplace small and cheap and less materialistically". They are young newlyweds in the young newlywed job market, I would think most farkers would consider it wise to live frugally.

Don't be jelly that you fell for the Bush Era job market and patriotically got suckered into a mortgage 3x as big as your house was worth, and then spend the rest of your life hating people that chose to live within their means.

My guess is that a few years of this, a few years of saving, and a few years of stable jobs will simply have them buy a plot of land nearby to plant their little tiny house on. And then they'll build a cabin or something. And probably have kids. And be just like everyone else, and all the "dirty hipster.. nyah!" whiners will feel dumb.


No they won't.  You can't fix stupid.

Lots more smug in the thread than in that tiny house.
2013-04-15 04:58:30 AM
1 votes:

Froggy: For $48,000 you can buy 3 houses here in the city of Cleveland and still have enough money left over to replace all of the copper pipe and aluminum siding that's been stolen and sold for scrap.

(disclaimer: I kinda stole that bit from Mike Polk Jr.)


Yeah, but then you have to live in Cleveland.

/Melt is damn good food
//and Christmas Ale is lovely
2013-04-15 04:38:33 AM
1 votes:
I really don't understand the hate. My husband and I could do that easily. It has a kitchen, a bedroom, and a living room. They live in a warm climate. We'd have to have a storage unit for some of my books and some of his instruments. But seriously - you can cook/eat, have sex, engage in most individual hobbies as well as do things like play chess, and have electronic entertainment. Childless couples do not need any more than that. People all over the world live in close quarters with far fewer creature comforts than that. Perhaps their design isn't the most judicious use of money/space, but the concept is good.

That said, I don't think the unit cost them 48,000; I think that's what they're charging. Which is wishful thinking.
2013-04-15 04:33:25 AM
1 votes:
Honestly, it's not much smaller the apt my wife and I live in. We've definitely got more sq footage, but it's a negligible difference. The kitchen is one corner of the living room, and there's a bedroom and bathroom and a walk in closet.

It's tight, but we make it work. And it's been pretty good for us thus far, but we're looking forward to moving into something bigger.
2013-04-15 04:12:25 AM
1 votes:
I'd love a tiny house like that to myself but I think if I had to live with somebody else that one of us would be standing over the other with a bloodied knife before a week was out. Zero personal space.
2013-04-15 04:10:44 AM
1 votes:

burghboy: neongoats: burghboy: You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

impractical for you. Seems like they make it work for them. *shrug*

Not sure where you got from out of the article though. Although admittedly I feel pretty smug myself when I get a tiny utility bill.

Impractical = building their own POS when they could have gotten something much, much nicer for the same amount of money, as pointed out by several others.  But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era.  If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.


I didn't find in the article where it COST THEM 48k to build their house, btw. That's just what they are charging for a replica.
2013-04-15 04:09:51 AM
1 votes:
A bus would be better.

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www.creativemobileinteriors.com
2013-04-15 03:48:33 AM
1 votes:

burghboy: But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era.  If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.


That's the dumbest shiat ever. If you thought you saw a faded yellow "support our troops" sticker on the back of their giant pickup, you would probably call them bootstrappy pioneers, giving up many of the trappings of the liberal system to live a simpler, more fiscally conservative existence.

But no, someone used the most meaningless label word of the 21st century on them, so they are obviously useless gypsies that are going to steal your children and do a shiatty mending job on your pots. Can someone want to live in a different style than you without being labeled as smug?
2013-04-15 03:39:57 AM
1 votes:
What's the point of having the sliding glass door right next to the regular door?
2013-04-15 03:34:03 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: burghboy: You don't need to live in a ridiculously large house and drive a ridiculously large vehicle to look down on smug impracticality.

impractical for you. Seems like they make it work for them. *shrug*

Not sure where you got from out of the article though. Although admittedly I feel pretty smug myself when I get a tiny utility bill.


Impractical = building their own POS when they could have gotten something much, much nicer for the same amount of money, as pointed out by several others.  But buying a travel trailer is so "establishment" and Bush Era.  If I make it myself, somehow that makes me superior.
2013-04-15 02:27:40 AM
1 votes:
This is what $48,000 can get you

2011 Bighorn 3585rl w/ 3 slide outs. 4 point auto leveling w/ hydraulic landing gear (only takes minutes to set up). Leather sofa and recliners, ceiling fan, fireplace, FM/CD/DVD player with built in iPod dock w/ surround sound (also has speakers in the bedroom), 40 LCD in living room, 19 lcd in bedroom that can also be removed and used for outside viewing, 2 a/c units, cherry glazed cabinets, double sink with spray faucet, 9cu ft refrigerator w/ ice maker, slide out pantry, convection microwave/oven, extra storage in hallway, king size bed, washer/dryer prep, and central vacuum. So many more features to mention... see last picture for full listing. Still have all the manuals for appliances and other info from original purchase. We have enjoyed every minute in this camper and have treated it with love and care. Currently have rugs in the living room and hallways to protect carpet, will convey if wanted. Feel free to contact with any questions. Available for showing if interested. 2010 Dodge Ram 2500 Laramie, possibility for sale if tow vehicle needed. $48,000.00
2013-04-15 02:18:35 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!

I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.


I just read the article, incinerating toilet.....lmao. The amount of money I would pay NOT TO HAVE TO SET FIRE TO MY POO IN MY OWN HOME is higher than he 48k they want for that thing.
2013-04-15 02:18:05 AM
1 votes:

RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower.  This is just hipster  attention whoring at its finest.


Sh*t, RVTrader.com has a good amount of used 5th wheelers, bigger better and nicer than this wheeled cabin, for under ten grand. This is just a couple who wanted to prove they could live cheaper by spending 4, 5 times what they could have. I am whelmed by their story.
2013-04-15 02:16:27 AM
1 votes:
This is really nothing new. The Tiny House movement has been going on for years and people have been living in vans...........including a certain motivational speaker down by the river.


Nice to see the NY Daily News is on top of the trends.
2013-04-15 02:16:26 AM
1 votes:

archichris: I hope they have to pay to dump their poo. My water/sanitation bills are approaching $48,0000 per year on 120 units. If they are using some sort of free black water waste dump they are stealing from the rest of us.

Ownership of a rev counter is theft from the people!


I'm pretty sure the "plumbing" in that death trap is just a PVC pipe opening down onto the street.
2013-04-15 02:14:58 AM
1 votes:
The smug is tucked up in her uterus.  One pregnancy will displace it.
2013-04-15 02:13:59 AM
1 votes:

harlock: RottNDude: 48k can get you a luxury 5th wheel with multiple slideouts and a bathroom where you don't need to shiat in the shower.  This is just hipster  attention whoring at its finest.

Came to say this.   It's a false savings that makes no economic sense.    I can only wish I had $48k to spend on a travel trailer, I spent $9k buying a used trailer that cost $27k when new, and it's still nicer than that homebrew.    The part where it gets rough is the plumbing.    The bathroom in any 5th wheel, TT or motorhome is nicer than that one.

The fact is that the RV industry has been evolving nice products since the 1930s.   They're gotten really good at it.   You can buy cheap but nice looking stuff on the low end, and nice and nice looking stuff on the high end.   Newer trailers conform to modern energy standards and are well insulated.   They are also well laid out, plenty of storage space and very attractive inside.    This thing makes no sense from an economic or comfort standpoint unless your over-riding goal is to build it yourself.   As someone who has a full hobby machine shop in his garage, I still won't go and make what I can just go buy when the bought product is so good and so cheap compared to the effort to re-make my own.


Im selling an awesome 25' (28') travel trailer with everything you need for any weather. We've camped in sub 30 degree weather and been perfectly cozy with the heat set at 68 degrees in the camper. Wake up in the middle of the night and you dont even have to get dressed to use the bathroom, make a cup of tea, check the email on the laptop with the portable 3g hotspot......

You'd be amazed at how comfortable you can be while everyone else in the campground is huddled in a tent trying to hold the pee until morning so they dont have to get dressed in the cold and walk to the restroom. Im my case the cold people were all my relatives who insisted on tent camping (east coast liberals trying to get by on an econo-car and public transport)

First 10k takes it.  ;-)
2013-04-15 02:05:39 AM
1 votes:
At 204 square feet, it's a tight squeeze.  *snip*  The Caverlys' home is 24 feet by 8 feet

Imagine my quizzical dog face.  Are they living in a Tardis?  And the fact that they were only paying $1,500/month in the first place, for a f*cking three bedroom house, makes me bitter about paying nearly $1,000 for a single bedroom ground floor apartment without a reserved parking space.

Also, no mention of how they do their laundry.  They probably drive to and from a laundromat, eat takeout all the time, and generally just use the place for sleeping and relaxing on weekends.
2013-04-15 02:05:01 AM
1 votes:
What a couple of motherf*ckers.
2013-04-15 02:01:15 AM
1 votes:
Living in a backyard shed with wheels is nothing to feel smug about.
I for one, am not jealous.
2013-04-15 01:56:38 AM
1 votes:

Fano: I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.


I honestly thought of it once.  There are some pretty nice kits out there that could be insulated appropriately, and could also be modified to travel on a trailer frame I'm sure.  I was only thinking in terms of the tiny house concept, though - and there are shed kit that would do much better than this, including a loft for sleeping and much better framing.
2013-04-15 01:55:31 AM
1 votes:
Wow, the payoff to the article was just hilarious.

$48k for them to build you one? Yeah, no.
2013-04-15 01:54:01 AM
1 votes:
I bet it smells awesome in there
2013-04-15 01:48:25 AM
1 votes:

CaptSacto: I live in 400 sqf with 3 cats.
I expect there to be a follow-up to this story soon, and it won't be so cute.


Followup: Farker Captsacto eaten by his three cats.
2013-04-15 01:47:47 AM
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure I could buy a shed of equal size from Home Depot and live in it, saving thousands that they charge for their brilliant advice.
2013-04-15 01:46:03 AM
1 votes:
Haters gonna hate
2013-04-15 12:10:04 AM
1 votes:
Come now subby, I expect they've got plenty of smug storage on that Macbook.
2013-04-14 11:51:28 PM
1 votes:
www.chicagonow.com

/why haven't you called geico?
2013-04-14 10:43:48 PM
1 votes:
It seems like a great idea! The first thing I'd do is hitch it to my truck and get out of Arizona.

The couple moved from Prescott, Ariz. to Santa Fe, N.M.

Good job!
 
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