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(Hampton Roads)   The punishment for a Navy submarine captain who faked his own death to end an extramarital affair: an honorable discharge and full retention of his rank. That'll teach 'em   (hamptonroads.com) divider line 96
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2013-04-14 04:26:59 PM  
Subby's submitted sub story about a sub captain with substandard morals has a sub-par link.
Sub.
 
2013-04-14 04:29:11 PM  
He didn't really fake his own death. He just sent an e-mail to his whore saying he died.
 
2013-04-14 04:31:14 PM  
"It's my first day"
 
2013-04-14 04:32:18 PM  

siidc: "It's my first day"


Came for this.
 
2013-04-14 04:32:20 PM  
did he apologize to the penguint that it was his first day on the job?
 
2013-04-14 04:35:05 PM  
good.  The whole thing's stupid.  He "sort-of" lied to get out of a relationship?  Let he who hast no sin step on up....

www.innovationsinnewspapers.com
 
2013-04-14 04:35:21 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: He didn't really fake his own death. He just sent an e-mail to his whore saying he died.


Yeah. Wonder what type of crazy that woman was that he felt that the best way of ending with her was to tell her he was dead.
 
2013-04-14 04:36:05 PM  

douchebag/hater: Subby's submitted sub story about a sub captain with substandard morals has a sub-par link.
Sub.

Sublime
 
2013-04-14 04:38:26 PM  
img.weburbanist.com
 
2013-04-14 04:41:56 PM  
I have mixed feelings about this.  Yes he was a giant douch to her, and yes he made the Navy look terrible, but I don't remember him actually breaking the law.

Like the article says, he was on his way up the ranks, but he is now a civillian.  If he was discharged prior to his 20 years, then he is already looking at a severe loss of retirement and health benefits.  He broke several articles of the UCMJ (not the least of which is the general article.)

My main issues is that it is a slippery slope to publicly destroy his employment for an issue of personal conduct.  Again, from what we know he was a real ass, but there is a limit to how much vengance I feel.  From what we can see, he did his job honorably.  I am glad to see he is no longer embarrasing the service, but I don't see any need to send him to jail or give him a dishonorable discharge.
 
2013-04-14 04:42:47 PM  
Rank has its privileges.

/enlisted prole
 
2013-04-14 04:43:34 PM  
I wonder how the Navy found out about it. Did the woman go all crazy when she found out he wasn't dead and raise hell with the Navy?
 
2013-04-14 04:44:37 PM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: Rank has its privileges.

/enlisted prole


Just make it to the SNCO ranks and you will be fine.  Especially if you are Navy...

/fellow member of the working-party class!
 
2013-04-14 04:45:39 PM  
He was commissioned in 1987.  They let Holly Graf walk with retirement (and lifetime pension) vice discharge (nothin').  The same will likely happen to him, but they may find that his highest satisfactorily held grade was O-4 instead of O-5.
 
2013-04-14 04:45:46 PM  
Is it really so crazy that I faked my own death because I had too many e-mails?

/Obscure?
 
2013-04-14 04:49:27 PM  
ongbok:

Yeah. Wonder what type of crazy that woman was that he felt that the best way of ending with her was to tell her he was dead.

The woman kind of crazy.
 
2013-04-14 04:49:35 PM  

sendbillmoney: He was commissioned in 1987.  They let Holly Graf walk with retirement (and lifetime pension) vice discharge (nothin').  The same will likely happen to him, but they may find that his highest satisfactorily held grade was O-4 instead of O-5.


She was my brother's CO when he was on the Cowpens. I wonder the toxic command environment if that had something to do with him wanting to get out after his first enlistment.
 
2013-04-14 04:52:16 PM  
The military should be more concerned with the amount of rape of female soldiers and outright murder of civilians that takes place under its watch, and less concerned with the sanctity of the marriages within its ranks. You know what really brings shame to the American military? Every time they blow up two dozen civilians including children because they're trying to take out one terrorist. Every time they piss on the corpse of an enemy. Every time a soldier who cannot handle what the military forces them to do commits suicide. This is like making sure the facade of your house looks magnificent while the core rots into the ground.

Maybe the Code of Conduct should spend a little more time on those aspects and a little less caring about where you stick your dick in your off-time.
 
2013-04-14 04:52:47 PM  
If we've learned anything it's ok to lie to over up an affair. It's cool you can keep your job and retirement.

Remember it's just sex.
 
2013-04-14 04:53:48 PM  
WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?
 
2013-04-14 04:55:46 PM  

The WindowLicker: I have mixed feelings about this.  Yes he was a giant douch to her, and yes he made the Navy look terrible, but I don't remember him actually breaking the law.

Like the article says, he was on his way up the ranks, but he is now a civillian.  If he was discharged prior to his 20 years, then he is already looking at a severe loss of retirement and health benefits.  He broke several articles of the UCMJ (not the least of which is the general article.)

My main issues is that it is a slippery slope to publicly destroy his employment for an issue of personal conduct.  Again, from what we know he was a real ass, but there is a limit to how much vengance I feel.  From what we can see, he did his job honorably.  I am glad to see he is no longer embarrasing the service, but I don't see any need to send him to jail or give him a dishonorable discharge.


Conduct unbecoming an officer covers a lot of ground.
And extramarital affairs can come under that.
 
2013-04-14 04:56:37 PM  
At least he didn't defrost Grand Marshall Skaldak.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/Got nothing.
 
2013-04-14 04:57:01 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The military should be more concerned with the amount of rape of female soldiers and outright murder of civilians that takes place under its watch, and less concerned with the sanctity of the marriages within its ranks. You know what really brings shame to the American military? Every time they blow up two dozen civilians including children because they're trying to take out one terrorist. Every time they piss on the corpse of an enemy. Every time a soldier who cannot handle what the military forces them to do commits suicide. This is like making sure the facade of your house looks magnificent while the core rots into the ground.

Maybe the Code of Conduct should spend a little more time on those aspects and a little less caring about where you stick your dick in your off-time.


Thank you Talking Points Memo.
 
2013-04-14 05:04:07 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
/i keed
 
2013-04-14 05:06:15 PM  

siidc: "It's my first day"


Sadly, I laughed like a mad man when I read that.
 
2013-04-14 05:07:13 PM  
Health care, education, North korea and Iran = Newsworthy

Horny Sub Capt. = Not newsworthy
 
2013-04-14 05:08:19 PM  
Maybe he just wanted to be able to see Montana.
 
2013-04-14 05:14:26 PM  
I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.
 
2013-04-14 05:17:17 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The military should be more concerned with the amount of rape of female soldiers and outright murder of civilians that takes place under its watch, and less concerned with the sanctity of the marriages within its ranks. You know what really brings shame to the American military? Every time they blow up two dozen civilians including children because they're trying to take out one terrorist. Every time they piss on the corpse of an enemy. Every time a soldier who cannot handle what the military forces them to do commits suicide. This is like making sure the facade of your house looks magnificent while the core rots into the ground.

Maybe the Code of Conduct should spend a little more time on those aspects and a little less caring about where you stick your dick in your off-time.


Lighten up , Francis.
 
2013-04-14 05:19:57 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The military should be more concerned with the amount of rape of female soldiers and outright murder of civilians that takes place under its watch, and less concerned with the sanctity of the marriages within its ranks. You know what really brings shame to the American military? Every time they blow up two dozen civilians including children because they're trying to take out one terrorist. Every time they piss on the corpse of an enemy. Every time a soldier who cannot handle what the military forces them to do commits suicide. This is like making sure the facade of your house looks magnificent while the core rots into the ground.

Maybe the Code of Conduct should spend a little more time on those aspects and a little less caring about where you stick your dick in your off-time.


While these are legitimate problems, I think you will find that the military is far more agressive about combating these issues than any other organization.

The best demographic group to compare the military to is a college campus.  If you wanted to really drill down, it is most like the fraternity system.  I have not compiled a set of statisics recently, but even a few years ago the number of sexual harrassment and sexual assault cases reported and projected from those reports were lower than the equivilent number of cases on a college campus.

The military takes these issues very seriously.  I have been given multiple long classes on legal issues, who to report cases to, my rights as an assualted individual, the investigative process that will be carried out by NCIS, what to do if my command does not listen to my issue, and how to recognize and intervene in an abuse situation.  This is in addition to the many classes we are given that cover what is assault, what is consent, and other topics of that nature.

My service also has put together a number of similar training packages for suicide prevention.  I honestly believe that my service has seen the issues of suicide, sexual assault, and wartime ethics as a high priority.    I firmly believe that there is no group who has put more effort into educating and preventing these issues at the source.

We are an organization of testosterone-poisoned, alpha male types.  As a baseline, we can be expected to have a much higher rate of incidents than the general population.  I think that the efforts that are being made far outstripe anything I ever experianced while in college.  I have spent far more time in training on these issues this year, than I have on marksmanship, weapons handling, rules of engagement, or anything related to my primary job... combined.
 
2013-04-14 05:22:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?


Someone trying to serve up real web sites inside a frame from their own site. Probably to try to tack on crap no one wants.
 
2013-04-14 05:29:37 PM  

Kyosuke: BarkingUnicorn: WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?

Someone trying to serve up real web sites inside a frame from their own site. Probably to try to tack on crap no one wants.


It won't resolve no matter what browser I use.  This is not an isolated incident; I just got irritated enough to mention it.  Does anyone else have this problem with Hampton Roads links?
 
2013-04-14 05:30:14 PM  
Ironically, he wouldn't go down on her, either.

/crash dive?
/double hullin'
 
2013-04-14 05:31:43 PM  
Im not sure why he thought that would work.
 
2013-04-14 05:33:10 PM  

The WindowLicker: I have mixed feelings about this.  Yes he was a giant douch to her, and yes he made the Navy look terrible, but I don't remember him actually breaking the law.

Like the article says, he was on his way up the ranks, but he is now a civillian.  If he was discharged prior to his 20 years, then he is already looking at a severe loss of retirement and health benefits.  He broke several articles of the UCMJ (not the least of which is the general article.)

My main issues is that it is a slippery slope to publicly destroy his employment for an issue of personal conduct.  Again, from what we know he was a real ass, but there is a limit to how much vengance I feel.  From what we can see, he did his job honorably.  I am glad to see he is no longer embarrasing the service, but I don't see any need to send him to jail or give him a dishonorable discharge.


I fail to see what he even did wrong. Atleast as far as the navy goes he did his job.

besides im sure even the best of us have had a psycho girl that we needed to go above and beyond to get rid of
 
2013-04-14 05:39:34 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?


Someone trying to use the Coral cache does that.
http://www.coralcdn.org/
 
2013-04-14 05:40:53 PM  

Valiente: Ironically, he wouldn't go down on her, either.

/crash dive?
/double hullin'


He tried once, but he ended up getting a dishonorable discharge.
 
2013-04-14 05:41:40 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: I fail to see what he even did wrong. Atleast as far as the navy goes he did his job.


He made the Navy look bad.  The UCMJ has any number of articles that apply to just that case.

As a sub captain, he probably also had a fairly high security clearance.  I have no idea what actually happened with him, but you can't have situations where people can blackmail you. If you are the type that creates those situations, you might want to look for a new job.  She was an amature, but there are any number of professionals out there who could do a much better job, and he painted a big target on his back saying that he was a weak link.
 
2013-04-14 05:43:33 PM  

WelldeadLink: BarkingUnicorn: WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?

Someone trying to use the Coral cache does that.
http://www.coralcdn.org/


Thanks, that's illuminating.  Does it ever work?  Hampton  Roads is the only site I ever encounter that uses Coral and it has never worked for me.
 
2013-04-14 05:44:28 PM  

Bslim: I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.


I didn't see the part in the story where she forced him to have an affair with him.
 
2013-04-14 05:45:22 PM  

HighOnCraic: Bslim: I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.

I didn't see the part in the story where she forced him to have an affair with him her.


dammitsomuch
 
2013-04-14 05:47:23 PM  

The WindowLicker: I don't see any need to send him to jail or give him a dishonorable discharge.


...because if you served in the US military, under the UCMJ and stayed within those rules without breaking a single one of them, no matter how trivial or stupid you thought they were, and you got out after 28 years, you get an honorable discharge because you ACTUALLY did your job with honor for that long, you'd probably be a little bit pissed-off that this zip gets by with a slap on the wrist - AND full benefits!

Isn't an officer is held to a higher standard, especially in the US Navy, where they are also supposed to be "gentlemen" as well? The dude was in charge of a US warship, and any slight infraction doing that, will get you busted to potato peeler. This guy thought his "choice" to tell his lover that he was dead... that was what he'd consider a great decision when the chips were down? The same guy who has in charge of a US warship... no less a submarine, with all it's super secret doo-dads. I don't think so.

For me, by thinking of the people I know who got their honorable discharge after serving in the US Military, those are the people who now have question why they should be proud of their honorable status, because this dumb shiat makes them all look silly for playing within the rules. It's favoritism within the social structure built into the US Military. (you know... different rules for the privileged than those for the great unwashed that really do the work) So yeah, he should get a dishonorable discharge and all the punishment due to anyone that violates the code of justice within the US Military.
That's what everybody signed up for.
 
2013-04-14 05:48:57 PM  
Musta been a ring knocker........any other squid would've have been different.
 
2013-04-14 05:50:29 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Kyosuke: BarkingUnicorn: WTF is with all of these Hampton Roads URLs that won't resolve?

http://hamptonroads.com.nyud.net/2013/04/panel-honorable-exit-office r- who-faked-death

"hamptonroads.com.nyud.net"?  Who in Hell does that?

Someone trying to serve up real web sites inside a frame from their own site. Probably to try to tack on crap no one wants.

It won't resolve no matter what browser I use.  This is not an isolated incident; I just got irritated enough to mention it.  Does anyone else have this problem with Hampton Roads links?


Yup.
 
2013-04-14 05:54:12 PM  

HighOnCraic: HighOnCraic: Bslim: I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.

I didn't see the part in the story where she forced him to have an affair with him her.

dammitsomuch


That's sort of my point. It shouldn't matter if they did have an affair. What does getting some trim on the side have to do with driving a sub.
 
2013-04-14 05:54:25 PM  
   My Father likes to tell the story that as they were getting ready to leave on a Med Cruise a young women asked to see him to complain about one of his pilots.
  Apparently the pilot had lied to the women and told her he was married, so of course he could not marry her. Yes, she admitted that even though he was married she had an affair with him. However he had lied to her and she had just found out that he was really single and wanted him disciplined.
  The real kicker to this was .... She herself was married.
 
2013-04-14 05:55:42 PM  

Bslim: I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.


From another source:

"Ward had met the unidentified Chesapeake, Va., woman through an online dating service in October. The relationship lasted eight months, according to the Navy."

Apparently he went out of his way to wreck his own career.
 
2013-04-14 05:58:15 PM  
As a junior enlisted vet it bothers me to think that this guy crapped all over the UCMJ and he gets a slap on the wrist and has a high paying consultant job in his future. He's a field grade office who was a nuke. His clearance alone will ensure he ends up with a great job. I knew E-5's who were booted with general discharges and all they did was sleep around the company. Seeing the different standards that officers and enlisted get when it comes to discipline always made me sick and this just reinforces that.
 
2013-04-14 05:59:29 PM  

Bslim: HighOnCraic: HighOnCraic: Bslim: I see no problem with how it was handled. Let this serve as a lesson to the stupid slut. Seriously how much did taxpayers have to invest in the guy just to lose him in the end on account of some skank.

I didn't see the part in the story where she forced him to have an affair with him her.

dammitsomuch

That's sort of my point. It shouldn't matter if they did have an affair. What does getting some trim on the side have to do with driving a sub.


It's against the Military Code of Conduct.

Here's one good reason for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_HUMINT_asset_recruiting#Lov e. 2C_honeypots_and_recruitment
 
2013-04-14 05:59:40 PM  
Bslim:
That's sort of my point. It shouldn't matter if they did have an affair. What does getting some trim on the side have to do with driving a sub.

It is a clearance issue.  The affair gives her leverage over him.  As long as he is a somewhat independent authority over a portable reactor and an indeterminate number of nuclear warheads, he needs to demonstrate that it takes more than a hot body to cause him to compromise his decision making process.
 
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