Popcorn Johnny: boyd1031: Read the article the lady that was charged did not take anything she just looked in to the vehicle after her daughter asked her motther to come look at this. Neither daughter nor mother touched or took anything but yet charged the mother!Yeah, read the article. The only reason they didn't take anything was because the police pulled up before they could. Do you really expect me to believe that it's normal behavior for people to go snooping in a car that's been left open and unattended?
rattchett: So the lady and her daughter committed a thought crime?You're either a troll or an idiot.
Aar1012: What if I take the cash and wallet to an NYPD station and report it as lost?/DNRTFA
Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Simple question for legal experts:
Farxist Marxist: What a change from when I was growing up and occasionally an officer friendly would show up at school and the kids were impressed. Thirty years later, I'm telling my son that if he is ever arrested he should say nothing and demand a lawyer, and to call me no matter what. I told him that the cops are not to be trusted and they will arrest anyone for convenience, and will intimidate and lie to obtain a confession.What a travesty this has become.
BarkingUnicorn: Well, they are trained only in dealing with the dead. What help could they have given?
Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If I find a wallet, what law says I have to return it? I thought abandoned property is fair game; cops for example can root through your trash because it's "abandoned".
Silverstaff: A decade or so ago, I was walking across campus at college.I saw a cell phone laying in the parking lot. I investigated a little closer. It was working, had power and everything.Nobody around it could belong to, I was the only person in the lot. I looked through the address book and found an entry named "Mom".I called it. I told the woman who answered that I'd found this phone in a parking lot and was wondering how to get it to its rightful owner.The woman said her son had lost his phone yesterday and had been freaking out trying to find it. I asked where he was so I could take it back to him. She told me what dorm he was at, and said she'd call him on his phone in the dorm to tell him to expect me.I walked across campus, happy I was doing a good deed. I walked into the dorm, and there was a guy standing there. He stormed up to me. As I started to smile and say hello he angrily snapped "Give me back my phone you thief!" as he swiped the phone out of my hands and ran off, darting up the stairs.Confused, and angry, I turned around and left. If I was going to be treated like shiat I could have left his phone out there. Sounds like the NYPD would have arrested me for just picking up the phone to begin with.
fredklein: The only reference to what happened in the PDF you linked to is this:"Defendant and her daughter are accused of then entering the car and taking the property."That's it. No evidence it actually happened, just that they were charged with it.
Defendant and her daughter are accused of then entering the car and taking the property.
The girl had called her mother over when another set of police officers suddenly pulled up in a van and forced them to the ground, according to Myers' account.It doesn't match her story at all. The story in the opinion is that the girl and her mom entered the car. Not just stood there.
When the driver got out and ran, the officers gave chase, yelling, "Stop! Police!" her suit says.Myers' daughter, seeing that the driver left the car door open, went over and peered inside ...
ArcadianRefugee: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Simple question for legal experts:Or a simple Google search: http://law.onecle.com/new-york/personal-property/article7-b.html
Theaetetus: See, that's why I can't believe they pull these stings. From that law:
Mugato: Isn't there a precedent here in the case of Finders vs Keepers?
Great Janitor: Years ago, when I was a senior in high school I found a wallet in the hallway. There were some personal notes that were folded up, no cash but a drivers license. The license belonged to a student in the class that I was walking to next. So I went to class with the wallet. She was in a panic and was looking for it. I stopped her and handed it to her, told her exactly where I found it. The teacher stopped her and told her to tell me thank you.She turned me into the principal for stealing the cash that was already taken from the wallet before I even found it. Now, my friend was with me when I found it so he knows that the cash (assuming that there was any) was not even there. So I learned the lesson that no good deed ever goes unpunished and to never return a missing wallet.Hell, I don't even return lost cellphones. Of the two I found, one I texted all the female contacts and asked for pic of their boobs, including the one labeled 'mom'. His daughter was a bit concerned. To his wife, I just texted her a notice about knocking up a 16 y.o. girl. I then tossed it into a lake. Of the other, I just texted one of those text here to donate $10 to this charity. I did it until the battery ran down.
OregonVet: It's not entrapment. I love the threads like this - some of you haven't been farkied yet. And no, "hey, just take it and we'll get some beers," isn't entrapment. Hopefully you learned something.I do think it's a waste of time tho.
red5ish: "No fines, no probation, no thirty days in jail. It's the hook. The hook for stealing, for murder, for arson, for treason, for rape, for being a peeping Tom. Break a law - any damn law at all - and it's the hook. Everybody can understand that, and San Lorenzo is the best-behaved country in the world."
the ha ha guy: I alone am best: Maybe you should steal shiat from peoples cars retard.Try reading TFA:"Myers' daughter, seeing that the driver left the car door open, went over and peered inside to see personal items that included what looked like a bundle of cash - in reality, a dollar bill wrapped around pieces of newspaper. The girl had called her mother over when another set of police officers suddenly pulled up in a van and forced them to the ground, according to Myers' account."Get on the floor? For what?" Myers recalled telling the officers.The officers took them into custody, even though they never touched anything inside the car, the suit says. While entering a stationhouse in handcuffs, Myers spotted the driver of the car standing outside, smoking a cigarette. It dawned on her that he was an undercover with a starring role in the sting - a suspicion supported by the court ruling."I thought I was in 'The Twilight Zone,'" she said.The girl ultimately wasn't charged. But her mother spent more than two years fighting charges of petty larceny and possession of stolen property."Stealing usually implies physically taking the item in question, not just glancing in its general direction.
Silverstaff: I walked across campus, happy I was doing a good deed. I walked into the dorm, and there was a guy standing there. He stormed up to me. As I started to smile and say hello he angrily snapped "Give me back my phone you thief!" as he swiped the phone out of my hands and ran off, darting up the stairs.
Theaetetus: Ah... They probably use this bit:3. Except as provided in subdivision four of this section, any person who shall refuse or wilfully neglect to comply with the provisions of subdivision one or subdivision two of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by a fine of not more than one hundred dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both. Probably, the police march up afterwards, demand the item, and if the person hesitates, says that they're refusing to turn it over. I don't believe that's sufficient.There's also a later exception about if this occurs in a transportation building that they probably claim applies, and the article mentions that they pull these stings on the trains, but I read it as still allowing the 10 day period.
serial_crusher: serial_crusher: SilentStrider: lordargent: Mentat: How the fark is this not entrapment?For it to be entrapment, you have to be coerced into doing something you were not naturally inclined to do.IE, there would basically have to be an undercover cop telling you to "take the purse", then you would say "no", and then the cop would say "come on dude, nobody is looking, take the purse and let's get some beers", and you finally cave in.an argument could be made, not that I'm saying it would be successful in court (but it should be, imho), that if the police didn't put the wallet there, there would be no reason for you to commit a crime.couldn't say, a cop killer, make the same argument? "I couldn't/wouldn't have killed that cop if he wasn't there in my house serving that warrant...."I guess that analogy falls short in that the wallet was placed there to test whether or not you'd steal it, whereas to cop serving the warrant wasn't just there to see whether or not you'd murder him. So I'll head that argument off with a modified example: There's a known serial rapist on the loose who targets a very specific type of woman, so the cops set up a sting operation with an undercover cop who meets the profile. Suspect attempts to rape the cop, and she arrests him. Did she commit entrapment?
Kiwimann: SH: 10 years ago I found a wallet in the parking lot of the local Kwicky Mart. It had $40ish and the usual stuff....I didn't leave it with the cashiers at the Kwicky Mart for obvious reasons.What's the "obvious" reason?
Theaetetus: It doesn't match her story at all. The story in the opinion is that the girl and her mom entered the car. Not just stood there.
police officers suddenly pulled up in a van and forced them to the ground
The defense contends that Ms. Meyers intended to safeguard the property for the 'arrestee'...
a precautionary measure, stipulation, or device
six-n-tombstone: What happens when the arrest from these stings drop off because people won't pick up the bait?
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