If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   Disgraced and discredited "Dr" Andrew Wakefield wants you to know the UK measles epidemic is *totally* not his fault   (slate.com) divider line 108
    More: Sick, Andrew Wakefield, measles, contagious diseases, MMR vaccine, epidemics, MMR, British Medical Journal, Paul Offit  
•       •       •

11179 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Apr 2013 at 3:16 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



108 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-04-14 11:49:28 AM
Plastics, Plastics cause autism.
 
2013-04-14 12:05:14 PM
Maybe its time to go with "Yes Ma'am, you're right and this isn't about stopping diseases that don't exist anymore.  Keep it a secret but its a drug that make about one in twenty kids better football players or cheer leaders later in life"...
 
2013-04-14 12:49:13 PM

KimNorth: Plastics, Plastics cause autism.


I'm pretty sure it's goblins
 
2013-04-14 12:50:41 PM
This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.
 
2013-04-14 12:53:26 PM
Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.
 
2013-04-14 01:24:55 PM

GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.


Jenny was following his lead. He is the proximal beginning of the vaccine nutter movement.
Put them both against the wall. OR better yet, force them to live in areas which are experiencing outbreaks.
They should be made available daily to the public to answer questions as to why the outbreak is happening and why were those vaccines bad again??
 
2013-04-14 01:32:04 PM

namatad: GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.

Jenny was following his lead. He is the proximal beginning of the vaccine nutter movement.
Put them both against the wall. OR better yet, force them to live in areas which are experiencing outbreaks.
They should be made available daily to the public to answer questions as to why the outbreak is happening and why were those vaccines bad again??


I'm not sure that Wakefield was the first anti-vaxxer, but his bullshiat "research" certainly gave that movement its backing, and suckered a lot of people into buying into it when they wouldn't have otherwise.
 
2013-04-14 01:41:13 PM

jake_lex: namatad: GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.

Jenny was following his lead. He is the proximal beginning of the vaccine nutter movement.
Put them both against the wall. OR better yet, force them to live in areas which are experiencing outbreaks.
They should be made available daily to the public to answer questions as to why the outbreak is happening and why were those vaccines bad again??

I'm not sure that Wakefield was the first anti-vaxxer, but his bullshiat "research" certainly gave that movement its backing, and suckered a lot of people into buying into it when they wouldn't have otherwise.


yah
this was why I didnt use first. There have always been anti-medicine luddites, going back to day one of humanity. I remember reading about the early resistance to pox vaccines back in the day. And then there are religious people who refuse all medical treatment? LOL

in the end, I rant that we should just let these people die. they are either in charge of their children's health or they arent.
either we should force vaccinations or we should let nature take its course.
/yes I know ... it is so cruel to punish the children for the sins of the parents, and yet why are they allowed to decide then in the first place? stupid morals
 
2013-04-14 02:02:40 PM

GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.


Fark them both.

Bet they both enjoy the benefits of the vaccine themselves.
 
2013-04-14 02:39:19 PM
sharetv.org

Dr. Andrew Wakefield
 
2013-04-14 02:43:30 PM
I think the most important question that needs to be asked is "WTF does any of this have to do with bad astronomy?"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-14 03:11:21 PM
I can understand how people are anxious over that sort of thing.  Who wants their kid becoming one of those starving autists that you see at the aut fairs.
 
2013-04-14 03:18:35 PM
It's definitely not. Definitely not his fault.
 
2013-04-14 03:24:11 PM

namatad: jake_lex: namatad: GAT_00: Lionel Mandrake: This guy's body count is even higher than Jenny McCarthy's.

And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.

Jenny was following his lead. He is the proximal beginning of the vaccine nutter movement.
Put them both against the wall. OR better yet, force them to live in areas which are experiencing outbreaks.
They should be made available daily to the public to answer questions as to why the outbreak is happening and why were those vaccines bad again??

I'm not sure that Wakefield was the first anti-vaxxer, but his bullshiat "research" certainly gave that movement its backing, and suckered a lot of people into buying into it when they wouldn't have otherwise.

yah
this was why I didnt use first. There have always been anti-medicine luddites, going back to day one of humanity. I remember reading about the early resistance to pox vaccines back in the day. And then there are religious people who refuse all medical treatment? LOL

in the end, I rant that we should just let these people die. they are either in charge of their children's health or they arent.
either we should force vaccinations or we should let nature take its course.
/yes I know ... it is so cruel to punish the children for the sins of the parents, and yet why are they allowed to decide then in the first place? stupid morals


The problem is that the decrease in vaccinations reduces herd immunity, so the disease becomes more likely to spread to non-morons (or those who legit can't get a vaccine due to auto-immune disorders).
 
2013-04-14 03:24:40 PM
thechrismooreblog.com

Dr. Andrew Wakefield
 
2013-04-14 03:25:44 PM

Walker: I think the most important question that needs to be asked is "WTF does any of this have to do with bad astronomy?"


Phil Plait hates pseudoscience and anti-science movements (as we all should, to be honest), and likes to promote general critical thinking skills (again, something we all should be in favor of). Not everything he posts is strictly about astronomy.
 
2013-04-14 03:26:09 PM

Kome: Walker: I think the most important question that needs to be asked is "WTF does any of this have to do with bad astronomy?"

Phil Plait hates pseudoscience and anti-science movements (as we all should, to be honest), and likes to promote general critical thinking skills (again, something we all should be in favor of). Not everything he posts is strictly about astronomy.


Exactly this.
 
2013-04-14 03:26:34 PM

Walker: I think the most important question that needs to be asked is "WTF does any of this have to do with bad astronomy?"


It's pointing out bad science at the very least and Jenny McCarthy *was* considered a star at one point...

/Antivaxxers are sick in the head so good tag usage, Subs.
 
2013-04-14 03:28:35 PM
How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?
 
2013-04-14 03:29:53 PM

GAT_00: And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.


Fraud is a felony, deaths resulted, he should be charged with murder.
 
2013-04-14 03:33:33 PM

Walker: I think the most important question that needs to be asked is "WTF does any of this have to do with bad astronomy?"


Jenny McCarthy was once mislabeled as a "star".
 
2013-04-14 03:34:00 PM
These anti-vaccine people are despicable. They're basically saying that they'd rather have their child DIE of a preventable disease than (heaven forbid) be autistic.

Disgusting.
 
2013-04-14 03:35:26 PM
Well, this is Darwin at work people.  Don't vaccinate your kids and expose them to easily avoidable diseases and this crap happens.
 
2013-04-14 03:35:56 PM
But scientists never fark with data to promote an agenda. Unpossible. They are always independent purists.
 
2013-04-14 03:38:22 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


Oh my god. Not this combination shiat, and the "aggressive" vaccine schedule shiat.
 
2013-04-14 03:39:36 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


Dude, it wouldn't matter if he was advocating sterilizing medical instruments in between surgeries.   He spent over a decade as an anti-vaxxor and he deliberately faked the data which is uses as the justification of anti-vaxxors world wide.  He's directly responsible for people dying.
 
2013-04-14 03:39:42 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


Everybody get your lists out, it's time to find out which Farkers who previously appeared sane are actually farking idiots.
 
2013-04-14 03:40:09 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


You are correct, and Mr. Wakefield's concerns entirely justified his acts of fraudulent claims and unethical methodology used to support his claims.
 
2013-04-14 03:40:28 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


I love how you totally ignore the whole bit where he falsified data about the alleged dangers he was talking about, in order to convince people that it was really really dangerous.  That's the part everyone's pissed off about, you tiny-brained jackass.
 
2013-04-14 03:40:35 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


No, from memory he's not anti-vaccine, he's anti vaccine that he doesn't get money for (i.e he is against MMR because he has a financial state in the success of an individual measles vaccine). Of course if he paid any attention to the sort of people he was feeding dodgy biased science, he would have realized the sort of people that would believe him would just not vaccinate at all, so he was never likely to make much money from it anyway (except if he could use the public/media pressure to force governments to switch despite the lack of evidence).
 
2013-04-14 03:42:04 PM

MeanJean: These anti-vaccine people are despicable. They're basically saying that they'd rather have their child DIE of a preventable disease than (heaven forbid) be autistic.

Disgusting.


We have lots of these anti-vaxxers here in West Los Angeles.  They rely on herd immunity to keep their [otherwise healthy] kids from getting sick; that is to say, they want everyone else to be vaccinated, but not their own children. They won't vaccinate their own kids, but will pay for their nannies to be vaccinated.

And when there's a break-out of something (e.g., measles), they quarantine their kids at home rather than get them a shot.

To me, it reeks of elitism. "Vaccines are fine for everyone else, but not for my children."

\just another reason I'm eager to leave Los Angeles
\\two more months and we're outta here
\\\ [insert third slashie comment]
 
2013-04-14 03:43:28 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Everybody get your lists out, it's time to find out which Farkers who previously appeared sane are actually farking idiots.


Sometimes it's amazing who shows up and reveals themselves to be a raving anti-vaxxer.
 
2013-04-14 03:47:19 PM
images.wikia.com

Dr. Andrew Wakefield
 
2013-04-14 03:49:13 PM
The fact that humanity is even HAVING this conversation in the 21st Century makes me wonder if our species ever truly evolved/advanced.
 
2013-04-14 03:52:38 PM
Phil Platt is a renaissance man. A god damn hero.
 
2013-04-14 03:54:33 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp....


You seem to have missed a few paragraphs yourself.
 
2013-04-14 03:59:23 PM
Let 'em decide, I'm all for it. Outbreak hits & maybe the human race will advance a tiny nanometer in the right evolutionary direction. Thinning the herd erases some of the DumDum from the gene pool.
 
2013-04-14 03:59:49 PM

Marshal805: The fact that humanity is even HAVING this conversation in the 21st Century makes me wonder if our species ever truly evolved/advanced.


I'd ask why we don't put enough money and time into education as a serious force so we fall for this stuff as adults.
 
2013-04-14 04:05:59 PM
Until Wakefield reared his ugly head the world was on track to eradicate measles by 2010, the same way we eradicated smallpox.

Now we won't even make it until 2015 thanks to all the bullshiat he created.
 
2013-04-14 04:06:02 PM

hardinparamedic: Phil Platt is a renaissance man. A god damn hero.


Specifically, the Maximilien Robespierre of the skeptic community.

/calling for the execution of anyone who is imperfect works wonders, until someone notices one of your own imperfections
 
2013-04-14 04:07:02 PM

KawaiiNot: How can I tell nobody read the article? He's not anti-vaccine. His concern was that combining all 3 shots into the MMR was causing more problems for some kids than splitting them into their 3 original vaccine shots. Also he expressed concern with the QC of a few of the MMR creating drug companies.

But let's just ignore his safety concerns and call him a nut because drug companies never make mistakes ever, right?


The issue was that he was "concerned" about the MMR vaccine because he was developing a stand-alone measles vaccine and was looking for any excuse to discredit the MMR vaccine. He also did not disclose this conflict of interest in his paper.
 
2013-04-14 04:13:37 PM

gibbon1: GAT_00: And if there was justice to the world, he'd be criminally liable for all those deaths.

Fraud is a felony, deaths resulted, he should be charged with murder.


As hard as it is to believe.... not everything that happens does so within America's borders.
 
2013-04-14 04:21:57 PM
That scumbag is directly responsible. He cast doubt on MMR because he had a patent on a rival vaccine that he hoped could replace it. He enjoyed appearing as an expert witness in vaccine cases. He engaged in unethical studies. He drew conclusions which weren't supported by the evidence. His conflicts of interest were massive. He hyped this bullshiat for years and it was only through the diligence of people like Brian Deer that he was struck off. This quack has caused untold suffering for his own enrichment. People should see the bold faced lies for what they are.
 
2013-04-14 04:23:30 PM

MeanJean: They're basically saying that they'd rather have their child DIE of a preventable disease than (heaven forbid) be autistic.


Agreed. Fortunately it's not an either/or
 
2013-04-14 04:24:30 PM
Parents who refuse vaccinations should be held criminally liable for child abuse. As should parents who withhold recommended medical treatment for religious reasons. Parents should be advocates for their children. Not hold them hostage for their own ignorant belief system.
 
2013-04-14 04:26:26 PM
In case anyone thinks Andrew Wakefield is a jolly good chap after reading this far - here's the BBC account of how he also paid his kids' friends at a birthday party for their blood. Dad Of The Year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8483865.stm
 
2013-04-14 04:32:59 PM

Marshal805: The fact that humanity is even HAVING this conversation in the 21st Century makes me wonder if our species ever truly evolved/advanced.


I honestly think that it's a generational thing.

My father is on the edge of the "We didn't have vaccines" generation (honestly only qualifying by being 10th of 13 children).  For that generation, vaccines were awesome, because they did this:

upload.wikimedia.org

So so what if 1 in 10000 kids might have gotten autism.  They weren't literally DYING.  And so when they had kids, they were like "GIMME GIMME GIMME" when it came to vaccines.

Cue my mothers generation (and moreso the younger generations who are just now having kids).  They did have vaccines.  They didn't die.   So when they heard "Vaccines bad", and they honestly couldn't see any advantage to having the vaccines, a small but loud minority said "Fark it".
 
2013-04-14 04:37:47 PM

ArkAngel: KimNorth: Plastics, Plastics cause autism.

I'm pretty sure it's goblins


How dare you spread such unscientific nonsense! Autism is clearly caused by demonic possession and we all need to join in and pray for them to be healed.
 
2013-04-14 04:42:18 PM
Wakefield deserves a full-strength live polio vaccination
 
2013-04-14 04:44:01 PM
Keep up the good work Phil
 
Displayed 50 of 108 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report