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(ESPN)   Ric Romero discovers that people aren't going to NFL games as much because of all of the drunks   (espn.go.com) divider line 96
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2013-04-14 05:35:52 PM
My nephew is a big Broncos fan {sis-in-law Denver native} born & raised in Missouri. He took his little girl to a Chiefs-Broncos game at Arrowhead when she was 3 years old. They were going into the game & she was wearing a Bronco sweatshirt when a couple a drunks tailgating were calling her a whore, slut, etc. as they walked by. My nephew said all he could do was cover her ears as they walked by. I guess there are POS drunk fans at every ball park.
 
2013-04-14 05:36:01 PM

Aar1012: lifeboat: Went to see the Toledo MudHens once and had to get a jersey - it's still my favorite.

I miss Toledo because of the Mud Hens...and Rudy's Hot Dogs....and Ballreich's Chips


They have a great ballpark and in a great location. I really got a kick out of the fact that they had Klinger doing promos for them on the jumbotron.
 
2013-04-14 05:36:18 PM
I would say attendance is dropping because unemployment is high and when you add everything in (i.e. tickets, parking, concessions,etc), it isn't cheap.  Easier just to have some friends over and watch it on television.
 
2013-04-14 05:48:14 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Yep. I went to a 'Skins game once, had no horse in the game, and was roundly abused for not cheering for the 'Skins. So, I'll be saving up money for the big screen, hook up the ol' HEPC, and watch whatever the hell I want.


It's downright sad how atrocious Redskins games have become.  I went to a handful of games at RFK back in the day and it was absolutely electric.  I have no doubt a few 'skins fans were idiots and did idiot-like things, but most of the fans in the stadium had season tickets since the late 60s and were a little more grown up.

Now, they have this: (NSFW language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUpI4ZYoU2E
 
rka
2013-04-14 05:52:56 PM

runwiz: The few times I go to an NFL game I'm amazed at how many beers some fans can purchase and consume in the stands just based on the price of beer alone.  At $7.50 to $8 a pop, where do they find the money?


Maybe they have a steady paying job. Maybe this is there one time at a pro game and they've saved up for it.

In any case you've already committed to buying a vastly overpriced ticket and parked in a lot where they robbed you blind. NOW you get frugal when confronted by the cost of a beer and a hotdog?

In any event, it's usually the one-timers who get the most stupid. (not always, just usually). The season ticket holders know they have something to lose (as in getting their tickets yanked) and know they have to face the same people every week. Usually makes for a more sober individual than the guy who is there once, never to be seen again.
 
2013-04-14 06:12:51 PM

Pumpernickel bread: I would say attendance is dropping because unemployment is high and when you add everything in (i.e. tickets, parking, concessions,etc), it isn't cheap.  Easier just to have some friends over and watch it on television.


I think there are a number of factors. But when you pay a lot of $$$'s for tickets you have certain expectations about your experience.
 
2013-04-14 06:19:08 PM
Every live sporting event is like that. Hell, any big, live event is full of drunk dickheads.
 
2013-04-14 06:28:11 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Your Average Witty Fark User: I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.

Or, if it's to a Raider's game, expect a little stabbing.


See, that's too far. I'm not sure the Raiders and the Chargers should ever, EVER play each other. Even on a neutral field.
 
2013-04-14 06:37:49 PM
Angel would have been bleeped on Univision.
 
2013-04-14 06:38:41 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Angel would have been bleeped on Univision.


Wrong thread.  Me dumb.
 
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2013-04-14 07:07:38 PM
The quy that mentioned WWE must not have went WCW matches in the 90's.  The rep is there for a reason.  I can remember the matches being oversold and people having impromptu wrestling matches outside....drunks getting piledrived on walkways, etc.
 
2013-04-14 07:16:21 PM
With only 8 games yearly it's treated like an event, and people cut loose and do things they might not otherwise do. That's not going to change, and so the drunks will continue to be there.

As others said, the big impediment is the cost. It costs me $500 a year for two tickets, food, and transportation costs for a single game. Fortunately my sister and I can stay with an aunt, but that won't last forever and that will increase the cost. More than anything else, that is why people aren't going to the games. If you don't live reasonably close and can't take some sort of mass transit to the game you'll go broke if you go to more than a game or two.
 
2013-04-14 08:15:33 PM

runwiz: The few times I go to an NFL game I'm amazed at how many beers some fans can purchase and consume in the stands just based on the price of beer alone.  At $7.50 to $8 a pop, where do they find the money?


Over 50+ years I can count on one hand the times I've been to an MLB or NFL game. At that rate I can rationalize a few 8 dollar beers every now and then. It's an event, so I spend accordingly.
 
2013-04-14 08:23:54 PM

mr_a: Went to a Seahawks/Niners game in Seattle last year, and there were an older couple (late 60s) sitting next to us. They were from the Bay Area, and were wearing SF jackets.

They were taking so much verbal--- and potential physical--- abuse, that we ended up giving them an extra pair of sweatshirts we had to cover up their 49'ers gear. A little good-natured teasing is fine, but screaming obscenities and threatening to bash their heads in?  The ushers saw it and didn't do a thing.

I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan, and that will be my last game.  A week later our sweats, and a bottle of Napa's finest, showed up in the mail.


I got you tagged as "whiny hawks fan," and it looks like I nailed it.

Can I buy your seats though? I was too poor in 2002 to get on the wait list, and have only been able to afford 1-2 games a year now. Would be happy getting STH going for the Hawks.

Will try somehow to avoid yelling things at people, but you never know.

As for "how can people afford to drink," the way it is usually done at Centurylink is there's about 57 bars within 1/4 mile in 3 directions around the stadium, plus the open parking lots beyond the stadium to the south aren't policed by the clubs. So you have a few options. Guys pregame everywhere then head in, maybe have a maintenance beer for the first half, then (myself anyway) cruise by on water or cola the rest of the way, by the time its time to leave more or less sobered up.
 
2013-04-14 08:24:42 PM

Aar1012: mr_a: I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan

You weren't before hand?


Says the boston guy. U mad, bro?
 
2013-04-14 08:26:38 PM

Generation_D: Says the boston guy. U mad, bro?


Uh, why would a Boston sports fan be mad at Seattle fans, Seattle sports is awful.
 
2013-04-14 08:35:11 PM

TheJoe03: Generation_D: Says the boston guy. U mad, bro?

Uh, why would a Boston sports fan be mad at Seattle fans, Seattle sports is awful.


Something our cornerback said to their QB.

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2013-04-14 08:36:29 PM

TheJoe03: Generation_D: Says the boston guy. U mad, bro?

Uh, why would a Boston sports fan be mad at Seattle fans, Seattle sports is awful.


San Jose.

How's Vernon Davis holding up?
 
2013-04-14 08:41:34 PM

Generation_D: San Jose.

How's Vernon Davis holding up?


I hope he falls apart, I'm a Cowboys fan (Dallas fan in general) so I'm always wishing terrible things to happen to the Santa Clara 49ers.

/Oh and the Stars keep dominating the Sharks this year, like always.
 
2013-04-14 08:42:43 PM

Generation_D: TheJoe03: Generation_D: Says the boston guy. U mad, bro?

Uh, why would a Boston sports fan be mad at Seattle fans, Seattle sports is awful.

Something our cornerback said to their QB.

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 420x316]


LOL, that's awesome.
 
2013-04-14 08:46:12 PM

TheJoe03: Generation_D: San Jose.

How's Vernon Davis holding up?

I hope he falls apart, I'm a Cowboys fan (Dallas fan in general) so I'm always wishing terrible things to happen to the Santa Clara 49ers.

/Oh and the Stars keep dominating the Sharks this year, like always.


Dallas? I missed you guys in the playoffs last year. Maybe we could have seen another one of these

shesasportsfan.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-14 08:48:07 PM
AliceBToklasLives:There is no greater separation between TV and in person than for Hockey.  Hockey games are hella fun.

QFT
 
2013-04-14 08:51:22 PM

Generation_D: Dallas? I missed you guys in the playoffs last year. Maybe we could have seen another one of these


Despite that awful choke job, Dallas looks far down on the Seachickens, your team always seemed semi-pro or something to me. The goofy jerseys, the annoying soccer like fans, and just the decades of intense failure all add up to this Cowboys fan not even having you guys in my radar. You're actually one of the teams I'll root for because you guys seem like a joke team (like the Lions or Browns).

/I actually legitimately loved the Sonics when I was kid and they had Payton and Kemp
 
2013-04-14 08:59:22 PM
going to NFL games is overrated and it costs too much college football games are better to go to
 
2013-04-14 09:05:05 PM

TheJoe03: Generation_D: Dallas? I missed you guys in the playoffs last year. Maybe we could have seen another one of these

Despite that awful choke job, Dallas looks far down on the Seachickens, your team always seemed semi-pro or something to me. The goofy jerseys, the annoying soccer like fans, and just the decades of intense failure all add up to this Cowboys fan not even having you guys in my radar. You're actually one of the teams I'll root for because you guys seem like a joke team (like the Lions or Browns).

/I actually legitimately loved the Sonics when I was kid and they had Payton and Kemp


Dallas is like that family that had money 4 decades ago and still thinks its wealthy, even though they've blown it all on bad investments, the kids are all failures now, and the grandpa's a nutcase.
 
2013-04-14 09:07:11 PM

Generation_D: Dallas is like that family that had money 4 decades ago and still thinks its wealthy, even though they've blown it all on bad investments, the kids are all failures now, and the grandpa's a nutcase.


That's the Raiders. Either way, we're still better than the freakin Seachickens.

/you really think you can troll a Cowboys fan? we've heard it all before, everyone hates us, and that's how I know we're still somehow relevant.
 
2013-04-14 10:39:41 PM
Seahawks fans are dicks.

/cardinals fan 1a
//Seahawks fan 1b
 
2013-04-14 10:46:48 PM

Trollin4Colon: Mr. Coffee Nerves:

I'm guessing the doubled tickets prices in ten years have done the most to keep the most idiotic drunks out, but the increased security, camera coverage and police presence have made the games a lot less chaotic than the old days.


Im guessing this. I know its been beaten to death in these threads, but why spend hundreds of dollars to watch it live, when you can spend the same amount of money and BUY a damn big screen to watch it from your own home and get drunk for cheap.
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It's funny, by I've always felt that way about concerts. I don't want to spend a ton of cash to see some one play a slightly different version of a song I've already heard a bunch. Especially since its usually easy to get live versions of most artists online. Why pay for that and deal with the obnoxious drug addled morons, or obnoxious drunk 'who-hoo'ing chick screaming behind you?

But I love going to games. I'm not a huge drinker - especially at games so beer prices don't bother me. But NFL, NHL, MLB... I enjoy the atmosphere. I can't afford to go to many, but they're fun. And I love being able to see things that AREN'T on TV - especially in the NFL. Try watching secondary play on TV - it's near impossible until the ball's basically halfway to a receiver.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-04-15 12:28:34 AM
I went to an Eagles-Redskins game in Philly in 1993. I am from DC.

I am never, ever going back to that city again.

Not kidding.
 
2013-04-15 12:32:02 AM

TheJoe03: I went to a Raiders game (to root for them) and and the Texans fans didn't seem to run into any problems. I think they're only violent to other AFC West fans and wimpy Niner fans.


Things have gotten worse than they ever were that I can remember between the 49ers' and Raiders' fanbases. Fight might have happened here or there, but I don't recall shootings and stabbings. I suppose one reason is that there may have been a few less white wine aficionados at 49ers games the last few years, and more guys for whom the red jersey has implications on the street beyond which football team they like.
 
2013-04-15 12:48:03 AM

FNG: I went to an Eagles-Redskins game in Philly in 1993. I am from DC.

I am never, ever going back to that city again.

Not kidding.


It sounds like its changed alot (especially with the Eagles recent suckiness).  I know way too many people who made the drive up to Philly for the Redskins-Eagles game in December and said they had a great time.

That said, if I'm going to a game in a road jersey, I'm going to pony up some $ and sit in the lowers, where I'm less likely to be part of an indicident.
 
2013-04-15 12:50:22 AM

forgotmydamnusername: I suppose one reason is that there may have been a few less white wine aficionados at 49ers games the last few years, and more guys for whom the red jersey has implications on the street beyond which football team they like.


True, the gang mentality at football and baseball games in CA is crazy to me. I worry about wearing my Cowboys gear in certain areas.
 
2013-04-15 01:07:58 AM
So, nfl games are kind of like a real life version of fark?
 
2013-04-15 03:42:10 AM

Trackball: So, nfl games are kind of like a real life version of fark?


You must swing a mighty big hammer to have crushed the nail like that.
 
2013-04-15 08:33:54 AM
Silly me, and I thought people weren't going because of the insane ticket price.
 
2013-04-15 08:38:08 AM

Deneb81: It's funny, by I've always felt that way about concerts. I don't want to spend a ton of cash to see some one play a slightly different version of a song I've already heard a bunch.


Depends on the act.  Some bands are as much a visual performance as musical; if you just listen to a recording you're doing it wrong.  Some had to cut or extend their songs to the typical 3-5 minute length for radio so you're not hearing what they wanted you to hear.  Others really get the acoustics side of music -- it doesn't matter how much you paid for your Monster cables*; you are not going to get the same experience listening to a recording.  If you're listening to industrial pop, OK, a concert's just an expensive way to listen to a CD.

Back to sports, though. . . I pretty much watch games that interest me on the Internet a week after, just to pick apart what the team's doing aside from stats.  I miss out if something exciting happens, but I also avoid a LOT of crap.  The TV broadcasts have way too many commercials (and sideline reporters & announcers that are even more annoying than commercials) and most sports fans pretty much remind me why I'm a bitter Farker that hates people.  Which is kinda sad, because TV uses camera angles optimized for getting retards riled up.  For a formation sport like football, a zoom-up of the tailback to the point where I can see the pores on his face gives me a great view of the hit, which is what the knuckle-draggers want to see, but it doesn't help me understand why he juked right into a safety in the first place.  A whole-view field means I get to see the everything at once, but that's really not worth all the cost and trouble of going to a stadium.

I've always maintained that pro sports has gotten so lucrative that they're going to fark with it until it's borderline unwatchable for everyone.  The threshold was crossed for me a long time ago.

*thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-04-15 10:16:00 AM
I wouldn't give a damn about drunks if I could actually afford to go to a game.  Tickets alone are $100 each minimum for nose-bleeds, plus overpriced food/drinks.  And then if you want to park...fark that shiat, I'll watch it on a big screen with my own beer and some wings.
 
2013-04-15 10:41:37 AM

TheJoe03: decades of intense failure


A cowboys fan talking shiat about decades of failure is as dumb as a cowboys fan talking shiat about Ray Lewis killing people.
 
2013-04-15 10:43:43 AM

dragonchild: Deneb81: It's funny, by I've always felt that way about concerts. I don't want to spend a ton of cash to see some one play a slightly different version of a song I've already heard a bunch.

Depends on the act.  Some bands are as much a visual performance as musical; if you just listen to a recording you're doing it wrong.  Some had to cut or extend their songs to the typical 3-5 minute length for radio so you're not hearing what they wanted you to hear.  Others really get the acoustics side of music -- it doesn't matter how much you paid for your Monster cables*; you are not going to get the same experience listening to a recording.  If you're listening to industrial pop, OK, a concert's just an expensive way to listen to a CD.

Back to sports, though. . . I pretty much watch games that interest me on the Internet a week after, just to pick apart what the team's doing aside from stats.  I miss out if something exciting happens, but I also avoid a LOT of crap.  The TV broadcasts have way too many commercials (and sideline reporters & announcers that are even more annoying than commercials) and most sports fans pretty much remind me why I'm a bitter Farker that hates people.  Which is kinda sad, because TV uses camera angles optimized for getting retards riled up.  For a formation sport like football, a zoom-up of the tailback to the point where I can see the pores on his face gives me a great view of the hit, which is what the knuckle-draggers want to see, but it doesn't help me understand why he juked right into a safety in the first place.  A whole-view field means I get to see the everything at once, but that's really not worth all the cost and trouble of going to a stadium.

I've always maintained that pro sports has gotten so lucrative that they're going to fark with it until it's borderline unwatchable for everyone.  The threshold was crossed for me a long time ago.

*thatsthejoke.jpg


Basically, every argument you gave for going to live music I get - but don't care. It's 'about the experience' and the things you don't get on a recording. I feel the same about live sports. You miss out on certain things because of all of downsides to broadcasts you just mentioned.

I really just think its better live - just out of my budget usually.
 
2013-04-15 10:44:26 AM

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.


I understand that this is normal today.   However, sports bullying is still bullying, and it should, and will go away.
 
2013-04-15 11:06:59 AM

Rhypskallion: I understand that this is normal today. However, sports bullying is still bullying, and it should, and will go away.


As long as there are a-holes walking the face of the earth, bullying of all kinds will continue, unfortunately.
 
2013-04-15 11:18:45 AM

greggm59: Rhypskallion: I understand that this is normal today. However, sports bullying is still bullying, and it should, and will go away.

As long as there are a-holes walking the face of the earth, bullying of all kinds will continue, unfortunately.


Oh, of course.    This is something we can improve on though.

/don't rape
//don't be an a-hole
///do have fun while not doing above.
 
2013-04-15 11:19:55 AM

Rhypskallion: Your Average Witty Fark User: I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.

I understand that this is normal today.   However, sports bullying is still bullying, and it should, and will go away.


What is truly sad is that the abuse continues IF THE OPPOSING TEAM is winning.  I've been privy to some "conversations" in which someone wearing the away gear was mercilessly abused and threatened with physical harm.  Meanwhile, on the field, the home team is getting absolutely massacre.  And yet, the drunks were still hammering on him.

\to the guy's credit, he didn't respond.  Much
 
2013-04-15 12:29:04 PM

Deneb81: It's 'about the experience' and the things you don't get on a recording.


To each one's own, but I have to disagree here.  Some music -- a lot of music -- sounds completely different live.  I listened to some hip-hop live and yeah it was cool, but it was more or less what you'd expect because the same music on CD was just being piped through a larger sound system.  The only added experience was feeding off the crowd energy.  On the other hand, I didn't expect much from the Yoshida Brothers because their YT recordings didn't sound all that interesting to me.  Their live performance, however, was almost like an out-of-body experience.  They had the entire audience -- mostly teenagers and young adults, mind you -- so enthralled that between songs after the raucous applause died down, the hall was DEAD quiet in breathless anticipation.  I've volunteered for various sound crews over the years and dealt with crowds both rowdy and polite, but I have NEVER witnessed such an enraptured audience before or since.  I really didn't understand the appeal of traditional Japanese music until I heard that.  I don't own a single Japanese folk music recording and probably never will because it sounds awful through speakers, but damn if they're ever in town again I'll postpone my own funeral to see 'em live.  The concert wasn't like listening to a recording with some value-add bells & whistles due to being there; the difference felt like biting into a Kobe steak vs. just looking at a picture of one.

Sports games aren't quite the same -- to me, at least.  That's a whole different beast.  There are definite benefits to going to a game, but games aren't about presentation as much as the flow of the outcome.  People have gotten riled up listening to crackly AM radio broadcasts, so obviously the most the stadium experience offers is some extra perks (with a lot of downsides).
 
2013-04-15 01:39:53 PM
I'm a Niners fan and I try to make at least one game a year.  The price and the time required to attend is mostly what keeps me away.  Candlestick is so horrible for transportation that it is literally an all day event to go to a game.  Hopefully it gets a little easier in Santa Clara because of Caltrain being right there.

The angry drunken fan thing though, is ridiculous.  I've seen some brutal stuff there.  The culture of "spend 5 hours drinking in the sun before the actual game" is terrible when in the wrong hands.  In the right hands it is great, hang out, eat some food, throw a football around and take in the mood.  All of that is overshadowed by the drunken thuggery that happens at every NFL game.  You typically have two types of fans.  Intellectual fans who love the game of football, and the "territorial" fans that someone mentions above.  They feel it is their job to defend their turf, and it has a very gang-warish feeling about it.  Those ones are the worst, and I'm not sure what you can do about it.  But one thing is for sure, I've never come across more publicly drunk people than I have at football games.
 
2013-04-15 03:43:46 PM

lifeboat: I'm one of the biggest sports fans I know and I really hate going to games nowadays; there are just way too may douche bags (both home and away fans).  It seems especially in baseball for some reason.  

/Except NHL hockey - still a great experience, surprisingly.



I've found that Hockey is the most tame when going to see a live game, and the arena is usually the cleanest out of all events.  For as rowdy as hockey, the game, actual is, the fans on both sides are usually pretty temperamental.

football on the other hand...
 
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