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2013-04-14 12:22:29 PM
Went to a Seahawks/Niners game in Seattle last year, and there were an older couple (late 60s) sitting next to us. They were from the Bay Area, and were wearing SF jackets.

They were taking so much verbal--- and potential physical--- abuse, that we ended up giving them an extra pair of sweatshirts we had to cover up their 49'ers gear. A little good-natured teasing is fine, but screaming obscenities and threatening to bash their heads in?  The ushers saw it and didn't do a thing.

I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan, and that will be my last game.  A week later our sweats, and a bottle of Napa's finest, showed up in the mail.
 
2013-04-14 12:56:20 PM
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2013-04-14 12:56:45 PM
I have season tickets in the upper deck end zone in Philadelphia (formerly Sec. 726 of the Vet) and, if anything, the drunk problem has gotten substantially BETTER.

I'm guessing the doubled tickets prices in ten years have done the most to keep the most idiotic drunks out, but the increased security, camera coverage and police presence have made the games a lot less chaotic than the old days.

That being said 99% of the seats in my section are sat in by the same people every week. As the team spirals back into suck and the Stubhubbery starts back up in earnest God knows what will happen, but for now things are far better than they used to be.
 
2013-04-14 01:23:04 PM
How the hell can anyone afford to get drunk at an NFL game?  I mean, unless you have the alcohol tolerance of a sorority girl.
 
2013-04-14 01:34:17 PM

kmmontandon: How the hell can anyone afford to get drunk at an NFL game?  I mean, unless you have the alcohol tolerance of a sorority girl.



Pre-gaming and tail-gating, my man.
 
2013-04-14 01:57:45 PM

mr_a: I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan


You weren't before hand?
 
2013-04-14 02:03:43 PM

mr_a: I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan, and that will be my last game.



Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-04-14 02:34:45 PM
I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.
 
2013-04-14 02:42:33 PM
I am dying to go to an Eagles game with Giants gear on. My friend says I better act like Charles Bronson in Death Wish...all five movies.
 
2013-04-14 02:45:38 PM

crazydave023: I am dying to go to an Eagles game with Giants gear on. My friend says I better act like Charles Bronson in Death Wish...all five movies.


Good luck with that friend. Expect to wind up in court in Philly.
 
2013-04-14 02:46:38 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.


Or, if it's to a Raider's game, expect a little stabbing.
 
2013-04-14 02:47:01 PM
Mr. Coffee Nerves:

I'm guessing the doubled tickets prices in ten years have done the most to keep the most idiotic drunks out, but the increased security, camera coverage and police presence have made the games a lot less chaotic than the old days.


Im guessing this. I know its been beaten to death in these threads, but why spend hundreds of dollars to watch it live, when you can spend the same amount of money and BUY a damn big screen to watch it from your own home and get drunk for cheap.
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2013-04-14 02:50:56 PM
I have only been to one NFL game, that was the 1995 HOF game in Canton and the first game the Panthers and Jaguars played. There was a hand full of drunks sitting a few rows back being obnoxious and loud. People complained to the ushers and they escorted them right out of the stadium.
 
2013-04-14 02:52:37 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I have season tickets in the upper deck end zone in Philadelphia (formerly Sec. 726 of the Vet) and, if anything, the drunk problem has gotten substantially BETTER.

I'm guessing the doubled tickets prices in ten years have done the most to keep the most idiotic drunks out, but the increased security, camera coverage and police presence have made the games a lot less chaotic than the old days.

That being said 99% of the seats in my section are sat in by the same people every week. As the team spirals back into suck and the Stubhubbery starts back up in earnest God knows what will happen, but for now things are far better than they used to be.


207 here, 12 rows up.  I have to agree.  However, the further up the seats, the more I see the blackshirts run up to do whatever they do. (nothing at all)  Just have a few pockets of seats around me that people re-sell.  But most of the faces are familiar and I remember many of them from the Vet days.
 
2013-04-14 02:52:44 PM
I'm one of the biggest sports fans I know and I really hate going to games nowadays; there are just way too may douche bags (both home and away fans).  It seems especially in baseball for some reason.  

/Except NHL hockey - still a great experience, surprisingly.
 
2013-04-14 02:54:06 PM
It seems especially bad in baseball for some reason.

ftmf
 
2013-04-14 02:54:19 PM

Trollin4Colon: Mr. Coffee Nerves:

I'm guessing the doubled tickets prices in ten years have done the most to keep the most idiotic drunks out, but the increased security, camera coverage and police presence have made the games a lot less chaotic than the old days.


Im guessing this. I know its been beaten to death in these threads, but why spend hundreds of dollars to watch it live, when you can spend the same amount of money and BUY a damn big screen to watch it from your own home and get drunk for cheap.
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Yep, and get a better view of the game. And I don't care if the Texans play, anyway.
 
2013-04-14 02:55:16 PM

darch: crazydave023: I am dying to go to an Eagles game with Giants gear on. My friend says I better act like Charles Bronson in Death Wish...all five movies.

Good luck with that friend. Expect to wind up in court in Philly.


They just kick you out now and make you take an online fan behavior class.  There's no court or judge at the Linc.

Phillies-Mets is actually a more heated rivalry than Eagles-Giants, but those games are still pretty damn fun.  As much as Eagles and Giants fans hate each other, there's always some underlying amount of respect. (unlike those cowpuke fans which neither of us have any respect for)
 
2013-04-14 02:58:18 PM

Trollin4Colon: m guessing this. I know its been beaten to death in these threads, but why spend hundreds of dollars to watch it live, when you can spend the same amount of money and BUY a damn big screen to watch it from your own home and get drunk for cheap.


Plus, there's a ridiculous amount of stoppages and dead time in football. At least at a bar, I can have a comfortable conversation with people during commercial breaks or scratch my balls while checking my email if at home to kill time.
 
2013-04-14 03:01:41 PM
Also because you could buy a 40" HDTV every week for what it costs you to go to the game.
 
2013-04-14 03:09:44 PM
"It would seem like something should be done to limit alcohol consumption at NFL games"

You could try making the drinks ridiculously expensive. Oh wait...

Last night I attended WWE RAW at the Izod Center with my 5 year old son and there were zero instances of bad fan behavior which I was shocked by. The perception of wrestling fans is much worse than NFL fans, but I rarely heard any curses, people were passionate but not towards each other and there were no fights.

I was close to the floor at a RAW a couple years ago and when someone in the crowd cursed, 2 security guards yelled at him from the floor. Other than that, there's the fact that wrestling is acknowledged as fake so it would be like getting in a fight at a Friends taping. "You're a Chandler fan? fark YOU, Monica is gonna verbally smack him down, and thats the bottom line!"

Sports fans who take it too seriously are embarrassing though. Cursing is okay, bullying is sad. Your life is still shiat regardless of whether your team is winning, and btw, even though you were harassing the fans of the opposing team in the crowd, no one in the organization cares about you from the owner on down. You didn't win anything. Look in a mirror, get some perspective. And do some crunches.
 
2013-04-14 03:09:52 PM

jayhawk88: Also because you could buy a 40" HDTV every week for what it costs you to go to the game.


Bingo.

There were plenty of drunks when I regularly went to games in the 80s/90s.  And I'll bet there were just as many drunks in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s.

lifeboat: Except NHL hockey - still a great experience, surprisingly.


There is no greater separation between TV and in person than for Hockey.  Hockey games are hella fun.
 
2013-04-14 03:15:44 PM

you are a puppet: Sports fans who take it too seriously are embarrassing though. Cursing is okay, bullying is sad. Your life is still shiat regardless of whether your team is winning, and btw, even though you were harassing the fans of the opposing team in the crowd, no one in the organization cares about you from the owner on down. You didn't win anything. Look in a mirror, get some perspective. And do some crunches.


I'm a pretty big sports fan but there are people who really think they are part of the team.  It's their "job" as a fan to get ridiculously drunk and "protect their turf." Part of that is on the teams for the ridiculous amount of pandering they do to their fans, but a bigger part is on losers who desperately want to be part of something major/successful but don't really want to put in the years of hard work and training that goes into it.

I'm a HUGE Redskins/Orioles fan and I've followed them around the country quite a few times (with no incidents), but nowhere in mind do I actually think I'm actually part of the team.  I'm a paying customer; nothing more.
 
2013-04-14 03:23:39 PM
Hmm seems like everyone around me is boringly sober. I mean, I do my best to intimidate the opposing team and fans, shouting obscenities at them constantly and threatening them physically, but hardly anyone joins in. I mean, I didn't paint my entire body in the colors of the team for my health people.

It's like they everyone else doesn't even care about the game! All they want to talk about is "my kids are sitting here!" when I unleash a totally awesome string of profanity that guarantees my team will win the match.

I stumble around as drunkenly as possible and spill my 12th beer all over the people around me, but I never see any obnoxious drunk fans. Even after I puke on the row in front of me, no drunks show up to fight. I must just be lucky.
 
2013-04-14 03:25:10 PM

lifeboat: I'm one of the biggest sports fans I know and I really hate going to games nowadays; there are just way too may douche bags (both home and away fans).  It seems especially in baseball for some reason.  

/Except NHL hockey - still a great experience, surprisingly.


The biggest douche I ever ran into at a sporting event was at an NHL game (drunk obnoxious Devils fan who spent an entire game in Buffalo trying to start fights, took until after the game when he finally pushed someone then everyone in the section seemed to want to help kick his ass), but overall yeah.  NHL and MLS are the best leagues to see in person.
 
2013-04-14 03:27:35 PM

balki1867: 'm a pretty big sports fan but there are people who really think they are part of the team. It's their "job" as a fan to get ridiculously drunk and "protect their turf." Part of that is on the teams for the ridiculous amount of pandering they do to their fans, but a bigger part is on losers who desperately want to be part of something major/successful but don't really want to put in the years of hard work and training that goes into it.


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"Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? If your dad ever can't pay the rent and needs money, go ask Mickey Mantle. See what happens. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. Why care about him? "
 
2013-04-14 03:40:35 PM

lifeboat: It seems especially bad in baseball for some reason.

ftmf


The trick with baseball is to go to minor league/college summer league games.  The asshole-to-fun-to-cost ratios are far better.

We've got a local summer wooden bat league.  We've seen a couple future major leaguers - Verlander, Adam Greenberg, Brad Eldred, Jerry Sands.  Unfortunately our recent pitching alumni (JJ Hoover and Andrew Taylor) have gotten shelled this month.
 
2013-04-14 03:40:44 PM

jayhawk88: Also because you could buy a 40" HDTV every week for what it costs you to go to the game.


Plus the rise in quality of home entertainment, and fantasy football
 
2013-04-14 03:40:54 PM

balki1867: you are a puppet: Sports fans who take it too seriously are embarrassing though. Cursing is okay, bullying is sad. Your life is still shiat regardless of whether your team is winning, and btw, even though you were harassing the fans of the opposing team in the crowd, no one in the organization cares about you from the owner on down. You didn't win anything. Look in a mirror, get some perspective. And do some crunches.

I'm a pretty big sports fan but there are people who really think they are part of the team.  It's their "job" as a fan to get ridiculously drunk and "protect their turf." Part of that is on the teams for the ridiculous amount of pandering they do to their fans, but a bigger part is on losers who desperately want to be part of something major/successful but don't really want to put in the years of hard work and training that goes into it.


Yeah, the worst of the people think that way, but even the non-delusional fans will sometimes be obnoxious just because they feel like it's allowed. Sometimes I wonder if there are people who get involved in sports trash talk not so much because they're into sports, but because they want an excuse to trash talk.
 
2013-04-14 03:45:15 PM

mr_a: Went to a Seahawks/Niners game in Seattle last year, and there were an older couple (late 60s) sitting next to us. They were from the Bay Area, and were wearing SF jackets.

They were taking so much verbal--- and potential physical--- abuse, that we ended up giving them an extra pair of sweatshirts we had to cover up their 49'ers gear. A little good-natured teasing is fine, but screaming obscenities and threatening to bash their heads in?  The ushers saw it and didn't do a thing.

I was embarrassed to be a Seattle fan, and that will be my last game.  A week later our sweats, and a bottle of Napa's finest, showed up in the mail.


CSB

I really don't understand the mentality of people who are get shiat-faced and turn into assholes. Why can't they be happy drunks like me?
 
2013-04-14 03:49:40 PM

you are a puppet: balki1867: you are a puppet: Sports fans who take it too seriously are embarrassing though. Cursing is okay, bullying is sad. Your life is still shiat regardless of whether your team is winning, and btw, even though you were harassing the fans of the opposing team in the crowd, no one in the organization cares about you from the owner on down. You didn't win anything. Look in a mirror, get some perspective. And do some crunches.

I'm a pretty big sports fan but there are people who really think they are part of the team.  It's their "job" as a fan to get ridiculously drunk and "protect their turf." Part of that is on the teams for the ridiculous amount of pandering they do to their fans, but a bigger part is on losers who desperately want to be part of something major/successful but don't really want to put in the years of hard work and training that goes into it.

Yeah, the worst of the people think that way, but even the non-delusional fans will sometimes be obnoxious just because they feel like it's allowed. Sometimes I wonder if there are people who get involved in sports trash talk not so much because they're into sports, but because they want an excuse to trash talk.


That is exactly what happens w/ the big soccer riots. It's considered rude for Catholics and Protestants to beat on each other in public these days, but when Celtic and Rangers play, it's a-okay. Same goes for Castile and Catalan, Upper class and Working class, etc. The game is just a pretense for a very large public gathering.
 
2013-04-14 03:59:36 PM
No, Subby, the reason people aren't going to NFL games is because they  are drunks, and you can watch at home or in your local bar in greater comfort with better views and significantly cheaper beer.
 
2013-04-14 04:00:48 PM
The few times I go to an NFL game I'm amazed at how many beers some fans can purchase and consume in the stands just based on the price of beer alone.  At $7.50 to $8 a pop, where do they find the money?
 
2013-04-14 04:10:06 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Or, if it's to a Raider's game, expect a little stabbing.


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2013-04-14 04:10:32 PM

UNC_Samurai: lifeboat: It seems especially bad in baseball for some reason.

ftmf

The trick with baseball is to go to minor league/college summer league games.  The asshole-to-fun-to-cost ratios are far better.

We've got a local summer wooden bat league.  We've seen a couple future major leaguers - Verlander, Adam Greenberg, Brad Eldred, Jerry Sands.  Unfortunately our recent pitching alumni (JJ Hoover and Andrew Taylor) have gotten shelled this month.


Yup, agreed.  When I was in Maine, we used to take the kids to the Portland Seadog games.  We'd get front row, right at third base - foul ball heaven!

Went to see the Toledo MudHens once and had to get a jersey - it's still my favorite.
 
2013-04-14 04:33:02 PM
I get the feeling that the general progression is going to be similar to the English football leagues.
Eventually, we're going to have some very ugly incidents involving away fans, leading to segregation of fans.  After that, once the fans are put into sections by team supported, you'll see organization.  Eventually the guy in the silver hardhat and skull-adorned shoulder pads leads a charge across the separation fencing, and Millwall gets an NFL franchise.
 
2013-04-14 04:44:25 PM
Growing up in the 80s I remember my first game at Tiger Stadium in 83 was a double header against the Orioles.  There were so many drunk idiots fighting I couldn't believe it.  I was 9 and I figured adults must behave just like 4th graders....a few years later my friend's dad would take us to every Lions home game.   There was no drunker hive of scum and villainy than the Silverdome during another ugly Lions loss.  Shiat getting thrown on the field.  Downriver hillbillies going at it in the aisle.  Downriver skanks going after dudes from Detroit for eyeing them up....

It was awful and awesome at once.  So, people have always been drunken idiots.
 
2013-04-14 04:46:23 PM
First baseball game I went to was at Dodgers Stadium in a game against the Phillies. There were some Phillies fans and vocal Dodgers fans, but there was just jocular banter going on. It was light-hearted and funny and no one got angry. When the game went into extra innings the Phillies fans had to leave and the guys they were bantering with were like "It was fun. Have a good day." It was just so chill and I really liked it.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that anyone who gets in a fight at a sports game should just be executed. They're just the farking worst. I'm sure that 90% of society's ills can be traced back to the kind of person who gets wicked drunk at games and gets in fights.
 
2013-04-14 04:47:50 PM
Every time I go to Soldier Field, within 5 rows there is an obnoxiously loud drunk individual proclaiming that we should trade away XYZ star player, only to be singing praises of that star player by the end of the game.

I used to keep a running list, but to give you an idea:

Briggs, Tillman, Jennings, Forte, Peppers, etc

I also get tired of the overweight asshats who think that because they played QB on their no-name HS team, they know more about the game than Jay Cutler.  Literally, "I PLAYED QB FOR <no name area HS>, PUT ME IN AND I COULD DO BETTER."
 
2013-04-14 04:53:45 PM
I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat.

So the visiting team's supporters should expect to be assaulted?
No wonder no one is going any more.
Zoo tickets are cheaper if you're into that kind of thing.
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2013-04-14 05:01:47 PM

lifeboat: Went to see the Toledo MudHens once and had to get a jersey - it's still my favorite.


I miss Toledo because of the Mud Hens...and Rudy's Hot Dogs....and Ballreich's Chips
 
2013-04-14 05:01:49 PM
In the west coast, hockey and basketball games are safe, but I refuse to go to a football or baseball game as an opposing fan. Too much of a gang mentality, to a point that I think I'd be better off going to a game in Philly or Boston as an opposing fan.
 
2013-04-14 05:03:03 PM
The last time we went to a Brave's game there was someone with opposing gear on, and we razzed them a bit but nothing drastic.

The last few times we went to the Chik Fil A bowl I came back covered in beer.  One year a drunk Virginia Tech fan kept punching me for no reason.  He passed out at half time and UGA came back and squished them so he got his comuppance..
 
2013-04-14 05:05:43 PM
I went to a Raiders game (to root for them) and and the Texans fans didn't seem to run into any problems. I think they're only violent to other AFC West fans and wimpy Niner fans.
 
2013-04-14 05:13:24 PM

The_Sponge: kmmontandon: How the hell can anyone afford to get drunk at an NFL game?  I mean, unless you have the alcohol tolerance of a sorority girl.


Pre-gaming and tail-gating, my man.


Absolutely...the drunks I see at Ford Field and Lucas Oil are mostly the ones who are significantly wasted before they even get into the stadium.  Security isn't supposed to let them in...but I've only seen that done when the person can barely walk...which happens every week BTW.  Usually they come in hammered and happy, have a few more $9 tall boys and then are either asshole/violent drunks or passed out/asleep by halftime.

Which I can't understand...you are paying a couple hundred bucks a ticket to sit in our section to get wasted?  You can't stay at home and do this?  Which BTW, I also don't get...exactly how are you getting home when you, BillyBob and your two skanky GFs are comatose by the 2nd quarter?
 
2013-04-14 05:16:09 PM

Coach_J: Which BTW, I also don't get...exactly how are you getting home when you, BillyBob and your two skanky GFs are comatose by the 2nd quarter?


You guys don't have any kind of public transportation next to the stadium?
 
2013-04-14 05:17:32 PM

TheJoe03: I went to a Raiders game (to root for them) and and the Texans fans didn't seem to run into any problems. I think they're only violent to other AFC West fans and wimpy Niner fans.


I lived in the Bay Area for a few years and I used to go to Raiders games in a Colts t-shirt on occasion...most Raiders fans were complementary...even the die hards would say "dude, your team is sweet..wish we had that guy as our QB", etc....but somebody wearing 49ers, Broncos, Seahawks, etc. gear...those same fans were rabid nutjobs to those people...f-bombs, getting in their face...the works...young, old, men, women...they didn't give a shiat...they were off the charts whackos.
 
2013-04-14 05:20:41 PM

TheJoe03: Coach_J: Which BTW, I also don't get...exactly how are you getting home when you, BillyBob and your two skanky GFs are comatose by the 2nd quarter?

You guys don't have any kind of public transportation next to the stadium?


In Indy and Detroit (the two places I regularly go to games) not really...both have bus systems, but they are terrible and unless you ride consistently, too complicated for drunks to figure out how to get home.
 
2013-04-14 05:21:44 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: I have no problem with people going to games in the visiting team's gear. However, they should expect to take a little shiat. When it gets personal, that's too far- but otherwise, a little "your team sucks" is deserved. If you can't take it, go watch some goddamn tennis.


I was at a Bronco game in Denver(and yes we got shiatfaced) where they were giving a guy sitting in front of us in a Browns sweatshirt some minor shiat. He got all butthurt and I thought he was going to cry. So they turned on my buddy who was wearing A LOT of Browns stuff. He loved it. He ended up taking his shirt off in the 4th quarter when it started snowing. When the game ended it seemed like the entire section lined up to shake his hand for being such a good sport and a 1st grade class took their picture with him.

We did get thrown out of a fair amount of Panther games when they played at Clemson the first season for profanity, oh well.
 
2013-04-14 05:23:15 PM

jayhawk88: Also because you could buy a 40" HDTV every week for what it costs you to go to the game.


Yep.  I went to a 'Skins game once, had no horse in the game, and was roundly abused for not cheering for the 'Skins.  So, I'll be saving up money for the big screen, hook up the ol' HEPC, and watch whatever the hell I want.
 
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