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2013-04-14 12:25:42 PM
Good thing they didn't use TurboTax®  as I doubt it has a shipwreck deduction.
 
2013-04-14 12:51:54 PM
Ah yes, the good old days.  When everything was better and women couldn't vote.
 
2013-04-14 12:52:02 PM
Was there a bayonet deduction?
 
2013-04-14 02:07:00 PM
A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?
 
2013-04-14 02:15:16 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.
 
2013-04-14 02:29:44 PM

GAT_00: Ah yes, the good old days.  When everything was better and women couldn't vote.


simplifying the tax code would probably be a good thing

but thanks for playing
 
2013-04-14 02:30:36 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


restriction of freedom
 
2013-04-14 02:32:06 PM
Gecko Gingrich:
Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.

Is that all there is to it though?  Just people who's moms didn't teach them to eat their veggies before they could have ice cream?
 
2013-04-14 02:33:37 PM
mr lawson:
restriction of freedom

How?
 
2013-04-14 02:34:07 PM

mr lawson: FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

restriction of freedom


I seem to recall hearing that freedom isn't free.
 
2013-04-14 02:37:15 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


Lotta people want something for nothing.

What I don't get is when people jump for joy about huge refunds but whine about paying at the end of the year.  If you get a refund, then someone else was playing with your money interest-free.  If you have to pay at the end of the year, then you're just paying back an interest-free loan.

What kinda irks me is I owed Federal a dollar this year.  One dollar, zero cents.  I do not have a checking account, because literally the only time I need to write a check is when I pay my income taxes, so I just get a money order, which will cost me 85 cents.  IMO if a refund or a payment is under, say, $5-10 then it should be waived.
 
2013-04-14 02:37:21 PM

GAT_00: Ah yes, the good old days.  When everything was better and women couldn't vote.


I agree. We didn't have generalizing smug internet dweebs who try and hammer a popular axiom into every situation without thought to the context.
 
2013-04-14 02:37:38 PM

FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?
 
2013-04-14 02:37:56 PM
I note that they don't invoke perjury in the certification statement.  When was that introduced?
 
2013-04-14 02:38:09 PM

FloydA: Gecko Gingrich:
Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.

Is that all there is to it though?  Just people who's moms didn't teach them to eat their veggies before they could have ice cream?


Pretty much.  Think of it this way:  When people you know complain about taxes, are their complaints ever particularly complex and well reasoned?
 
2013-04-14 02:39:06 PM

GAT_00: Ah yes, the good old days.  When everything was better and women couldn't vote.


Needless complication is better than simplification.  After all, where would we be if liberals couldn't tax behavior they didn't like, while giving breaks to people they did like.
 
2013-04-14 02:39:40 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


Try to wrap your government-educated mind around this: The US survived somehow up to 1913 with no income tax (exception: during the war between the states and expiring in 1875). It was designed to run on tariffs on imports, and if the federal government stuck to doing only the things that the Constitution allowed it to do, there would be no need for an income tax.
 
2013-04-14 02:39:58 PM

Mister Peejay: IMO if a refund or a payment is under, say, $5-10 then it should be waived.


Move to Canada! On our returns, if there's a balance or refund within $2 then it's a writeoff.

Kind of amazed the IRS hasn't implemented that.
 
2013-04-14 02:39:59 PM

themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?


So, can I decide that schools for children I'll never have and a military I think is bloated beyond justification are beyond what my taxes should go for?

Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ... you cannot justify anger towards them unless you have unrealistic expectations.
 
2013-04-14 02:40:26 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


It's not about taxes in general. It's about the gigantic unnecessary bloated pig trough that we're being taxed incessantly for. The Fed is about 5 times larger than it needs to be.
 
2013-04-14 02:41:05 PM

MyRandomName: GAT_00: Ah yes, the good old days.  When everything was better and women couldn't vote.

Needless complication is better than simplification.  After all, where would we be if liberals couldn't tax behavior they didn't like, while giving breaks to people they did like.


It takes a special kind of practiced ignorance to look at the news today and think this is what is happening
 
2013-04-14 02:41:24 PM

Mister Peejay: What kinda irks me is I owed Federal a dollar this year. One dollar, zero cents. I do not have a checking account, because literally the only time I need to write a check is when I pay my income taxes, so I just get a money order, which will cost me 85 cents. IMO if a refund or a payment is under, say, $5-10 then it should be waived.


Trust me. You could just wait to pay it. Don't worry about it. Include it when you pay next year, or have it taken out of your refund. You may have to pay $1.15, but you'd still save 70 cents over the cost of a money order.
 
2013-04-14 02:41:36 PM
Policing the world is expensive.
 
2013-04-14 02:42:03 PM

themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?


I get a say-so in things, right?  A little bit of representation, if you will?

/Good.  Now double income and fuel taxes, fix our infrastructure, and publicize health care.
 
2013-04-14 02:42:30 PM
www.toothpastefordinner.com
 
2013-04-14 02:42:45 PM

Spare Me: It's about the gigantic unnecessary bloated pig trough that we're being taxed incessantly for. The Fed is about 5 times larger than it needs to be.


Well, being a global Empire is a biatch. It was either this or Soviet world domination, I'm told. The food is better this way, I expect.
 
2013-04-14 02:42:53 PM

regindyn: FloydA: Gecko Gingrich:
Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.

Is that all there is to it though?  Just people who's moms didn't teach them to eat their veggies before they could have ice cream?

Pretty much.  Think of it this way:  When people you know complain about taxes, are their complaints ever particularly complex and well reasoned?


It's completely rational for a taxation process that costs 200+ billion dollars a year in preparation.  Got to allow politicians to have their favored constituents after all.

http://taxfoundation.org/files/sr138.pdf
 
2013-04-14 02:43:38 PM

MyRandomName: regindyn: FloydA: Gecko Gingrich:
Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.

Is that all there is to it though?  Just people who's moms didn't teach them to eat their veggies before they could have ice cream?

Pretty much.  Think of it this way:  When people you know complain about taxes, are their complaints ever particularly complex and well reasoned?

It's completely rational for a taxation process that costs 200+ billion dollars a year in preparation.  Got to allow politicians to have their favored constituents after all.

http://taxfoundation.org/files/sr138.pdf


Paper has been removed from files, politifact article describing it.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/nov/07/rick- pe rry/rick-perry-says-taxpayers-spend-half-trillion-doll/
 
2013-04-14 02:43:42 PM
This return shall be made by every citizen of the United States, whether residing at home or abroad, and by every person residing in the United States, though not a citizen thereof, having a net income of $3,000 or over for the taxable year...

The average American earned about $600 a year in 1913.
 
2013-04-14 02:44:31 PM

themasterdebater: Mister Peejay: IMO if a refund or a payment is under, say, $5-10 then it should be waived.

Move to Canada! On our returns, if there's a balance or refund within $2 then it's a writeoff.

Kind of amazed the IRS hasn't implemented that.


We have that too.  It's one dollar.

/checked
 
2013-04-14 02:44:31 PM

themasterdebater: Mister Peejay: IMO if a refund or a payment is under, say, $5-10 then it should be waived.

Move to Canada! On our returns, if there's a balance or refund within $2 then it's a writeoff.

Kind of amazed the IRS hasn't implemented that.


For 99 people out of 100, the IRS has all the information required to file the return for them.  The act of filing for most people is the result of intense lobbying by special interest groups whose business is based on the byzantine US Tax Code.  A waived return is a lost sale.
 
2013-04-14 02:44:35 PM

regindyn: Think of it this way: When people you know complain about taxes, are their complaints ever particularly complex and well reasoned?


All I know is that the goddamn Government better get the hell outta my Medicare.
 
2013-04-14 02:45:28 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


My problem with the US tax code is the multitude of deductions, both for business and individual taxes.  It's symptomatic of a system that is corrupt and pandering, respectively.  Since the creation of the income tax, government has been using it for social engineering purposes rather that just a means of revenue.  While you may pay the same nominal tax rate as your neighbor, your effective tax rates can vary quite widely.  This is even more pronounced in corporate taxes.  Yes, taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilization and I am more than happy to pay my share but they should be more standardized across the brackets with fewer deductions and special situations.
 
2013-04-14 02:45:59 PM
I think we're all forgetting that simplifying taxes would be a job-killing measure, anyway. TurboTax, H&R Block, and other assorted tax preps rely on complicated taxes for business. Not to mention countless accountants, and possibly higher taxes for big business (the real job killer).

/not entirely serious
//tax-simplification will never, ever happen on a large scale in the current political environment
 
2013-04-14 02:46:25 PM
Yeah, but it was the early 20th century. You know what else was in that time? Racism and lack of voting rights.

It then follows that if you like the tax forms back then, you must also like everything else about that period, including lack of civil rights.

So stop wishing for simplified tax forms or I'll accuse you of racism by association.
 
2013-04-14 02:46:49 PM

lenfromak: Try to wrap your government-educated mind around this: The US survived somehow up to 1913 with no income tax (exception: during the war between the states and expiring in 1875). It was designed to run on tariffs on imports, and if the federal government stuck to doing only the things that the Constitution allowed it to do, there would be no need for an income tax.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-14 02:47:01 PM

themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?


I would be if I hired you to defend my interests in DC.
 
2013-04-14 02:47:14 PM
seadoo2006: Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ...

Taxes are at the lowest point they have ever been....seriously?    Please remove yourself from the gene pool and leave the world better than you found it.
 
2013-04-14 02:47:37 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.


Free Anal for every Constituent.
 
2013-04-14 02:47:41 PM
If you have to actually pay taxes, it means you made money.  That's a good thing.
There are people out there who benefit every day from the things that collective taxation pay for while simultaneously complaining about taxes.
We call those people "idiots".
 
2013-04-14 02:48:26 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


Paying taxes isn't the problem. The problem is the method of which the tax rates are established.  Deductions for wiping my ass with my left hand every other Tuesday hide the true problems of the fact that our system of collection is so messed up, we have no chance of actually collection what we should. We shouldn't be able to give 10 people the same set of facts, and come up with 10 different "correct" amounts to pay because of a 47K page tax code. That's ludicrous. Everyone biatches and moans about the rate other people pay. The hell does it matter? There's so many deductions and credits for the stupidest things that all incomes take, it's a waste of time to argue about it.

Wipe the tax code, start at zero, establish a new one with 1 deduction per dependent in the household. THAT'S IT.
 
2013-04-14 02:48:30 PM

seadoo2006: themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?

So, can I decide that schools for children I'll never have and a military I think is bloated beyond justification are beyond what my taxes should go for?

Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ... you cannot justify anger towards them unless you have unrealistic expectations.


Why do liberals keep lying about this?  CBO estimates tax revenue to be at 19.4% next year.  That is almost a full percent above historic averages.  Plus state/community taxes are still near highs.  What is the benefit in you completely lying?  Are you just ignorant to facts, or is it a real choice to lie?

IN fact, here is the table of historic revenues completely contradicting your lie.
www.usgovernmentrevenue.com
 
2013-04-14 02:50:25 PM

CorruptDB: Since the creation of the income tax, government has been using it for social engineering purposes rather that just a means of revenue....Yes, taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilization and I am more than happy to pay my share but they should be more standardized across the brackets with fewer deductions and special situations.


There is certainly a point to this, but I'd rather have social engineering purposes incentivized and paid for rather than simply mandated with criminal penalties. And that is what would otherwise happen, unless instead you want poor people killing the rich in the streets and drinking their sweet, sweet brain juice.
 
2013-04-14 02:50:58 PM

MyRandomName: seadoo2006: themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?

So, can I decide that schools for children I'll never have and a military I think is bloated beyond justification are beyond what my taxes should go for?

Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ... you cannot justify anger towards them unless you have unrealistic expectations.

Why do liberals keep lying about this?  CBO estimates tax revenue to be at 19.4% next year.  That is almost a full percent above historic averages.  Plus state/community taxes are still near highs.  What is the benefit in you completely lying?  Are you just ignorant to facts, or is it a real choice to lie?

IN fact, here is the table of historic revenues completely contradicting your lie.


Hey, if you don't want lies about the tax rate, move to Somalia.
 
2013-04-14 02:51:22 PM

MyRandomName: seadoo2006: themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?

So, can I decide that schools for children I'll never have and a military I think is bloated beyond justification are beyond what my taxes should go for?

Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ... you cannot justify anger towards them unless you have unrealistic expectations.

Why do liberals keep lying about this?  CBO estimates tax revenue to be at 19.4% next year.  That is almost a full percent above historic averages.  Plus state/community taxes are still near highs.  What is the benefit in you completely lying?  Are you just ignorant to facts, or is it a real choice to lie?

IN fact, here is the table of historic revenues completely contradicting your lie.
[www.usgovernmentrevenue.com image 390x250]


http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates?op=1
 
2013-04-14 02:52:07 PM

Gecko Gingrich: FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

Too much of "my" money goes to stuff I don't like and not enough goes to stuff I do like.


Because they can't balance a budget.  Every household, local government, and state has a budget and it's required to be balanced by revenue.  The feds ignore this.
 
2013-04-14 02:52:08 PM
TAXES ARE THEFT ZOMG.
 
2013-04-14 02:52:13 PM

super_grass: MyRandomName: seadoo2006: themasterdebater: FloydA: Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?

You give me a portion of your earnings on every paycheque and i'll spend it the way *I* think will most benefit you. You'll be okay with that right?

So, can I decide that schools for children I'll never have and a military I think is bloated beyond justification are beyond what my taxes should go for?

Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ... you cannot justify anger towards them unless you have unrealistic expectations.

Why do liberals keep lying about this?  CBO estimates tax revenue to be at 19.4% next year.  That is almost a full percent above historic averages.  Plus state/community taxes are still near highs.  What is the benefit in you completely lying?  Are you just ignorant to facts, or is it a real choice to lie?

IN fact, here is the table of historic revenues completely contradicting your lie.

Hey, if you don't want lies about the tax rate, move to Somalia.


Not even sure what this means?  Liberals lying about tax revenue are of the same education level as somalians?
 
2013-04-14 02:52:18 PM

Eponymous: seadoo2006: Sorry, taxes are the necessary cost to a society ... and are at the lowest point they have ever been ...

Taxes are at the lowest point they have ever been....seriously?    Please remove yourself from the gene pool and leave the world better than you found it.


Thanks to the Unless Americans are willing to radically increase the amount of taxes they pay relative to GDP, government spending must be cut.
Today's income tax rates are strikingly low relative to the rates of the past century, especially for rich people.For most of the century, including some boom times, top-bracket income tax rates were much higher than they are today.Contrary to what Republicans would have you believe, super-high tax rates on rich people do not appear to hurt the economy or make people lazy: During the 1950s and early 1960s, the top bracket income tax rate was over 90%--and the economy, middle-class, and http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates?op=1#" id="itxthook1" rel="nofollow">stock market boomed.Super-low tax rates on rich people also appear to be correlated with unsustainable sugar highs in the economy--brief, enjoyable booms followed by protracted busts. They also appear to be correlated with very high inequality. (For example, see the 1920s and now).Periods of very low tax rates have been followed by periods with very high tax rates, and vice versa. So history suggests that tax rates will soon start going up.Don't take our word for it, though.
 
2013-04-14 02:52:26 PM

FloydA: A bit off topic, I guess, but I really don't understand why people have a problem with paying taxes.  It's not difficult math, and it's the price we pay for living in a civilization.  Can someone explain to me what's so bad about taxes?


Very few people have a problem with paying taxes in general.  And while there is a larger group that may dislike how the money is used, the main problem most reasonable people have with income taxes is the way that they are calculated.  It's a deliberately complex system that relies on misunderstanding and intimidation to get people to overpay.  If the tax code was less bloated and labyrinthine it wouldn't be a problem.  Flat tax, fair tax, whatever, it'd be better than what we have now.
 
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