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(Daily Mail)   I've reported from Ceausescu's Romania, Saddam's Iraq, Gaddafi's Libya, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and the Ayatollahs' Iran - but after eight days undercover in North Korea, I believe this regime is the most frightening tyranny of all   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 186
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2013-04-14 07:01:42 AM

VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.


Who said it was our job?
 
2013-04-14 07:14:07 AM
I'm calling BS. You are a fat foreigner undercover in NK? Suuuuuure. You blend right in.

Then I read the "report". So the guy just took the normal tour in NK and the undercover thing was lying about being a journalist and pretending to be a tourist.

/Hey guys, I'm undercover in Japan right now.
//literally as the sun is beating down mercilessly
 
2013-04-14 07:19:19 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?


That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.
 
2013-04-14 07:20:11 AM
I might be more prone to care but the cries of "libbiest lib to ever have libbed or will lib" for the last 25 years have kind of made me meh to such claims.
 
2013-04-14 07:30:08 AM

VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.


It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?
 
2013-04-14 07:40:39 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?


no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.
 
2013-04-14 07:43:55 AM

VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.


Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.
 
2013-04-14 07:45:30 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.


children! stop it right now or I'll pull this thread over!

:P
 
2013-04-14 07:49:44 AM
OK dad...
 
2013-04-14 07:50:22 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.


hey, look at it this way: how many times have you talked a person with a loaded gun to your head from pulling the trigger?
vs
a guy that claims to have a gun but refuses to pull it proving he actually has a gun in the first place.
 
2013-04-14 07:52:10 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.

children! stop it right now or I'll pull this thread over!

:P


daaawww: (
 
2013-04-14 08:11:14 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.


I believe the students were made aware of it and the possible repercussions a couple of times, it is the university that is claiming they didn't know about it.
 
2013-04-14 08:16:03 AM
Only on Fark could a thread about a tyrannical regime turn into a discussion about horse breeds.  Ah, Fark, how I love thee.
 
2013-04-14 08:20:00 AM
drum drum drum
war war war
 
2013-04-14 08:24:00 AM

YouBWrong: Yeah, but he's never been to Christmas with my exes family.


My exes really don't get along with my dlls.
 
2013-04-14 08:34:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: YouBWrong: Yeah, but he's never been to Christmas with my exes family.

My exes really don't get along with my dlls.


as long as they get along with you kmods or .so or .a you'll be fine...
 
2013-04-14 08:35:05 AM

VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.


Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.
 
2013-04-14 08:41:12 AM

rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?


Probably because you equate bare, treeless ground with winter time.

Other than the (stock?) photo of Un on the horse, there were no photos of trees; they've cut down every single tree in NK and used it for fuel and food.
 
2013-04-14 08:41:38 AM

DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.


You laugh, but Kim Jung Un (blessed be his name), not 10 minutes after that photo was taken, slaughtered the horse, distributed the meat to his desciples, and fed the ENTIRE nation off of just one horse!
 
2013-04-14 08:53:38 AM

rynthetyn: Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.

It just dawned on me, MASH is why I keep mentally grouping the Koreas in with Southeast Asia even though they're farther apart than Mexico and New York.


Yeah, I make that mistake as well, but when you look at latitude vs. the US, it makes more sense that they do have seasons aside from hot as balls, and hot as balls with monsoons.

www.health.harvard.edu
 
2013-04-14 09:22:19 AM

HMS_Blinkin: VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.



We have to assume that the regime is shaky, and I hope more than anything that we're right. Looking at the Soviet system and its satellites before their collapse makes that system seem like a paradise compared to the ongoing conditions in Best Korea. But the Soviet collapse might not be the right comparison. If anything, North Korea is far more insulated than any other regime in recent history.

What bothers me is the possibility that the Kims have found the perfect combination of fear, isolation and oppression for their particular population. What happens if their system is something that's built to last? Reaching further back in history, there are a few examples of authoritarian regimes lasting for hundreds or thousands of years. The pharoahs in Egypt and the Spartans with their terror and domination of the Helots come to mind. Of course, these were ancient regimes, and not surrounded by nations and people with better ideas on how people should be governed. But again, we go back to how successful the Kims have been in keeping these ideas away from the people.
 
2013-04-14 09:28:53 AM
Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?
 
2013-04-14 09:48:48 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Daily Mail, huh?
It's hard to imagine a worse source for anything regarding North Korea, unless Kim is dissing Beyonce on Twitter or something


Well Daily Fail needed to do a Rick Romero story in order to maintain the illusion that they are a news organization.
 
2013-04-14 09:58:43 AM

lucksi: You are a fat foreigner undercover in NK? Suuuuuure. You blend right in.


Came in to say this.

"Why are my eyes so round? Uh, well, my grandmother was Dutch."
 
2013-04-14 10:25:36 AM

Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.


Well, Kansas and North Korea are on comparable latitudes.
 
2013-04-14 10:49:35 AM
blog.rumorssteakhouse.com
What a Best Korean horse may look like.
 
2013-04-14 11:13:53 AM
Oh wow, another story about how bad conditions are in North Korea by an undercover journalist pretending to be a tourist. This time, however, he throws in the names of every late 20th century tyrant, just to make sure we know how bad it really is. Thanks man. Now that you put it in perspective, I think Best Korea is a bad place to live.

"I ask for one particular book: 1984?"
That's about as clever as asking for "The Oral Health Bible" at a British library.

"...this feels like yet another propaganda tour, and I've had enough: 'Tell the doctor we're no fools...Please don't treat us this way'."
 [wevegotabadassoverhere.jpg]

I hope he shouted it out like "I'm mad as hell...!"

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure you can take a group of tourists to a hospital in the UK to gawk at the patients, right?

rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Because blue skies and vibrant colors don't fit the story line.


Best Korea is one of the worst places on this planet, we all know that. If you want to be a bad ass undercover reporter, show us something we haven't already seen over and over and over again. Same old story about brainwashed, malnourished people, barren lands and a god-like leader. Same pictures, too.

What's your next assignment, writer guy? Deep cover in Detroit, to show us abandoned factories, run down housing and homeless people?
 
2013-04-14 11:30:15 AM
Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.
 
2013-04-14 11:31:14 AM
"North Korea doesn't allow journalists here so I'm going in with a group of holidaymakers."

Who the hell goes to North Korea for a vacation, aside from spies and reporters?
 
2013-04-14 11:38:01 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.


Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).
 
2013-04-14 11:38:02 AM

Bucky Katt: foghorn voiced hack Sweeney is at it again


Maybe he can throw one of his tantrums again.

That would be entertaining.
 
2013-04-14 11:52:37 AM

Ringshadow: Guys, that's a common horse coloration known as Dapple Grey.

[straightfromthehorsesmouth2you.files.wordpress.com image 700x546]
[www.freewebs.com image 502x334]

Many, many breeds of horse can come in this coloration. Some more commonly than others. It's very common for the Percheron draft horse, for example.

[farm1.static.flickr.com image 500x353]


yah but no way that's a Percheron. It's a smaller breed to make lil Kim seem bigger. I don't know the name but considering the location it may be whatever the mogul-derived breeds are.
 
2013-04-14 11:53:06 AM

Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?


When you come back your steak is juicer, your beer is colder, and your bed is softer than it ever was before.
 
2013-04-14 12:06:41 PM
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-04-14 12:08:19 PM

Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.


wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!
 
2013-04-14 12:10:46 PM
What's that strange noise I hear? It's like some kind of swordy... sabery... thing, being shaken in its sheath. You might even say it was being <i>rattled.</i>
 
2013-04-14 12:14:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.

Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Maybe they were hoping to run into Dennis Rodman.
 
2013-04-14 12:17:51 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Oh, I think you'd be a god damned fool to even enter that country to start with for ANY reason.

I really don't understand why any South Korean especially would go there.
 
2013-04-14 12:21:35 PM

Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?


Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.
 
2013-04-14 12:24:17 PM
www.csmonitor.com

Read it!
 
2013-04-14 12:48:14 PM

SurelyShirley: Best Korea is one of the worst places on this planet, we all know that. If you want to be a bad ass undercover reporter, show us something we haven't already seen over and over and over again. Same old story about brainwashed, malnourished people, barren lands and a god-like leader. Same pictures, too.


That's a valid criticism, but you have to remember that foreigners really can't just go wherever they want in NK.  If you actually go to NK, you get a government-planned itinerary---you don't get to even ask to go certain places, you just go where they take you.  So each journalist/tourist gets the exact same perspective.  It's not like you could just wander around the NK countryside and talk to people.  You'd immediately get noticed as a foreigner, and even if you were a South Korean passing yourself off as being from the North, you'd have no way to purchase basics like food, and you wouldn't even be allowed to travel without an official travel permit (which are only rarely given to actual North Koreans).

The only other way to get info is to interview defectors.  The scary thing is that the experience all of the journalists have is NK carefully putting on their best act for the foreign tourists.
 
2013-04-14 12:50:05 PM

Hickory-smoked: Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?

You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.


It's sad that we now think people as fat as him are "moderately overweight,"
 
2013-04-14 12:50:29 PM

namatad: /imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!


According to some defector's accounts, during bad years they only get meat on Kim Il-Sung's birthday.  Once a week would be freaking GLORIOUS for them.
 
2013-04-14 12:53:40 PM

Stone Meadow: Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?

Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.


There's nothing "exotic" about going to Fattystan. It's a vast lunar landscape of fail and crazy.
 
2013-04-14 12:54:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Humans are naturally drawn to watching suffering? Look at what happens whenever there's a terrible car accident, we slow down to get a better look. Humans are sick beings by our own standards, so we find regimes like this fascinating to watch from the outside because deep down, we want to see them rise up against their masters. Like watching an ant farm, but with people.

It doesn't make them traitors for wanting a chance to see history, they saw the suffering and can report back that it does indeed exist as we've been told and maybe even worse than what we had imagined. In this day and age, we don't always trust what we're told, we need to see it with our own eyes, even if it is heartbreaking
 
2013-04-14 12:55:47 PM
Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

www.ecoterra.org
 
2013-04-14 12:59:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ

for those who never saw it, shiats crazy over there, especially the stuff in the third problem
 
2013-04-14 01:02:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: Stone Meadow: Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?

Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.

There's nothing "exotic" about going to Fattystan. It's a vast lunar landscape of fail and crazy.


The fail and crazy combo is what makes it exotic. Same as getting into Mogadishu or Yemen or the Congo.
 
2013-04-14 01:11:06 PM

Rent Party: Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

[www.ecoterra.org image 250x247]


1. North Korea borders China

2. Those other countries didn't have nukes.

3. We have a client state that will get messed up on the border

4. Did I mention it borders China?

5. No oil.
 
2013-04-14 01:12:12 PM
Rent Party: Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

Because they have no oil? Then I imagine you're in full favor of fracking the hell out of our oilfields. If we've got all we need, we won't have to come up with excuses to invade fourth-world dystopian hellholes so we can "steal" their oil.
 
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