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(Daily Mail)   I've reported from Ceausescu's Romania, Saddam's Iraq, Gaddafi's Libya, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and the Ayatollahs' Iran - but after eight days undercover in North Korea, I believe this regime is the most frightening tyranny of all   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 186
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2013-04-14 01:31:49 AM
foghorn voiced hack Sweeney is at it again
 
2013-04-14 02:04:37 AM
"Obvious" tag in a reeducation camp? Because I could have told anyone that without even going there.
 
2013-04-14 02:06:33 AM
Yeah, probably true, but the Daily Mail?  Really now.
 
2013-04-14 02:09:36 AM
I'll take this horse.
i.dailymail.co.uk
Medium rare.
 
2013-04-14 02:10:30 AM
Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.
 
2013-04-14 02:13:02 AM
FTFA Headline: No ads, no planes, no internet, not a single luxury. Like Robinson Crusoe, as primitive as can be.

Now, I can understand the author's emotions about Best Korea, but it's not because the country or Kim is particularly "scary". It's that the country has been so isolated by the North Korean government, that it's effin' creepy. Lil Kim (hee hee hee) isn't likely to launch any nukes, he just wants to be recognized on the world stage (whatever THAT means) as an important person. Yes, he's doing it wrong.
 
2013-04-14 02:14:20 AM
 I ask for one particular book: 1984?

*golf clap*

Nice.
 
2013-04-14 02:15:26 AM

DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.


What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.
 
2013-04-14 02:16:07 AM

quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.


Best Horse.
 
2013-04-14 02:17:42 AM
i1091.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-14 02:22:23 AM

DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.


I suddenly have this image of that horse hanging around with Ann Romney....
 
2013-04-14 02:25:02 AM

quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.


It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.
 
2013-04-14 02:29:10 AM

quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.


I'm no equestrial expert, but it looks like a bog standard Arabian (slender, no extra tufts of hair), to me. What makes it not look like an Arabian, to you?
 
2013-04-14 02:31:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.


Oreo cookie perhaps?
 
2013-04-14 02:35:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.


Dr.Zom: Best Horse.


[ILOL'd]

starsrift: I'm no equestrial expert, but it looks like a bog standard Arabian (slender, no extra tufts of hair), to me. What makes it not look like an Arabian, to you?


The oddish grey colors, mostly.

It actually looks pretty cool wotever it is.
 
2013-04-14 02:35:13 AM

VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?


Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.
 
2013-04-14 02:36:49 AM
The comparisons to Nazi Germany are correct.

The conditions inside of a North Korean concentration camp are beyond comprehension. Right now, there are about 40,000 people in Yodok experiencing an absolute hell on earth.Read if you have the stomach for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_co ncentration_camp
 
2013-04-14 02:40:04 AM

Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.


Heh.. reminds me of the recent story about Mali giving the French President a camel.. then they gave it to a local family to take care of it, and they misunderstood and made camel stew out of it..

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/french-president-will- ge t-new-camel-to-replace-one-eaten/
 
2013-04-14 02:40:15 AM

Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.


Yes, well everything is better with teriyaki. EVERYTHING!
 
2013-04-14 02:43:41 AM

Alphax: Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.

Heh.. reminds me of the recent story about Mali giving the French President a camel.. then they gave it to a local family to take care of it, and they misunderstood and made camel stew out of it..

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/french-president-will- ge t-new-camel-to-replace-one-eaten/


Oh my... that is just unfortunate. For the president and the camel. Not the family though, they must have eaten well for weeks.
 
2013-04-14 02:44:59 AM

VJStinger: Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.

Yes, well everything is better with teriyaki. EVERYTHING!


You misspelled bacon
 
2013-04-14 02:50:33 AM

Smeggy Smurf: VJStinger: Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.

Yes, well everything is better with teriyaki. EVERYTHING!

You misspelled bacon


Wait! Teriyaki bacon. Is that even possible? Has this been done yet? It seems to me the two, when combined, would evaporate in a puff of ethereal deliciousness.
 
2013-04-14 02:51:03 AM
Fiddled while the world burned...
 
2013-04-14 02:51:09 AM

VJStinger: Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.

Yes, well everything is better with teriyaki. EVERYTHING!


It kinda looks like an Appaloosa variant, maybe crossed with an Arabian.

horsehints.org
 
2013-04-14 02:57:09 AM
That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?
 
2013-04-14 03:09:27 AM
The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?
 
2013-04-14 03:18:35 AM
I think we can decide that for ourselves. We don`t need the news media trying to sell us another war for the purpose of ratings again.
 
2013-04-14 03:22:06 AM
Guys, that's a common horse coloration known as Dapple Grey.

straightfromthehorsesmouth2you.files.wordpress.com
www.freewebs.com

Many, many breeds of horse can come in this coloration. Some more commonly than others. It's very common for the Percheron draft horse, for example.

farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2013-04-14 03:22:21 AM
Need to find someone who wants to shoot and kill this sumbiatch. Then he join the others. But who wants the reins?
 
2013-04-14 03:22:22 AM

rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?


Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.
 
2013-04-14 03:26:50 AM
Huh? The Daily Mail found a Facist leader they don't love unconditionally? Well I'll be...
 
2013-04-14 03:27:20 AM

Ringshadow: Guys, that's a common horse coloration known as Dapple Grey.


I've seen brown, black, red and tan but I've never seen one in dapple grey before. S'nice.

 Percheron draft horse

Looks kinda fat. Are they called that cos they drink a lot of draft beer or something?

/Why yes, I am a city boy, how did you guess?
 
2013-04-14 03:31:26 AM

Fallout Boy: I think we can decide that for ourselves. We don`t need the news media trying to sell us another war for the purpose of ratings again.


I think that this situation is much different from Iraq. For one the White House isn't driving this, Kim Un is, if anything the White House is downplaying this as much as possible. For another the desperate conditions in North Korea are well known and have been on the internet since forever (in internet years).

I personally don't want us to go into NK, but we may have to if the situation calls for it (NK attacks SK, Japan or whatever). The job would be kicking ass (as we can easily do if we wanted to) and then stepping aside as the locals (SK & China mostly) shoulder the burden of repairs.
 
2013-04-14 03:39:25 AM

Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?


You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.
 
2013-04-14 03:39:28 AM

quatchi: starsrift: I'm no equestrial expert, but it looks like a bog standard Arabian (slender, no extra tufts of hair), to me. What makes it not look like an Arabian, to you?

The oddish grey colors, mostly.

It actually looks pretty cool wotever it is.


Mmmh, not so odd. :) Coat colours/patterns on horses aren't usually breed indicators, with some exceptions.
 
2013-04-14 03:41:42 AM

Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.


It just dawned on me, MASH is why I keep mentally grouping the Koreas in with Southeast Asia even though they're farther apart than Mexico and New York.
 
2013-04-14 03:43:37 AM

Ringshadow: Guys, that's a common horse coloration known as Dapple Grey.



Also known as the horse pulling the sleigh in "Over the River and Through the Woods". That includes the line, "trot fast my dapple grey."
 
2013-04-14 03:52:37 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.


The students risked their own lives when they decided to passively support the most brutal regime on the planet by giving it their custom. Shame on them on bravo to the reporter.
 
2013-04-14 03:53:54 AM

Hickory-smoked: Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?

You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.


Yes, but it is the only one that's funny.
 
2013-04-14 03:57:40 AM

contrapunctus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_co ncentration_camp


Joe Arpaio was spotted reading this page with a tiny, shriveled little erection . . . until he got to the abortion part.

THIS GODLESS MONSTER MUST DIE!

2tfu.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-14 04:10:24 AM
Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple
 
2013-04-14 04:23:03 AM

LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple


Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.
 
2013-04-14 04:30:52 AM

LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple


2/10 if you were trolling. A lollipop if you actually believe this.
 
2013-04-14 04:41:23 AM
this seems about right
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-14 04:52:08 AM
Daily Mail, huh?
It's hard to imagine a worse source for anything regarding North Korea, unless Kim is dissing Beyonce on Twitter or something
 
2013-04-14 06:09:08 AM

anwserman: this seems about right
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x500]


NO. just no.
 
2013-04-14 06:21:19 AM

Lunchlady: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

2/10 if you were trolling. A lollipop if you actually believe this.


That's not trolling. That's being (or attempting) funny.
 
2013-04-14 06:29:59 AM

neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.


Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.
 
2013-04-14 06:59:54 AM

LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.


It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.
 
2013-04-14 07:00:09 AM
Yeah, but he's never been to Christmas with my exes family.
 
2013-04-14 07:01:42 AM

VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.


Who said it was our job?
 
2013-04-14 07:14:07 AM
I'm calling BS. You are a fat foreigner undercover in NK? Suuuuuure. You blend right in.

Then I read the "report". So the guy just took the normal tour in NK and the undercover thing was lying about being a journalist and pretending to be a tourist.

/Hey guys, I'm undercover in Japan right now.
//literally as the sun is beating down mercilessly
 
2013-04-14 07:19:19 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?


That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.
 
2013-04-14 07:20:11 AM
I might be more prone to care but the cries of "libbiest lib to ever have libbed or will lib" for the last 25 years have kind of made me meh to such claims.
 
2013-04-14 07:30:08 AM

VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.


It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?
 
2013-04-14 07:40:39 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?


no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.
 
2013-04-14 07:43:55 AM

VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.


Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.
 
2013-04-14 07:45:30 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.


children! stop it right now or I'll pull this thread over!

:P
 
2013-04-14 07:49:44 AM
OK dad...
 
2013-04-14 07:50:22 AM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.


hey, look at it this way: how many times have you talked a person with a loaded gun to your head from pulling the trigger?
vs
a guy that claims to have a gun but refuses to pull it proving he actually has a gun in the first place.
 
2013-04-14 07:52:10 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.

children! stop it right now or I'll pull this thread over!

:P


daaawww: (
 
2013-04-14 08:11:14 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.


I believe the students were made aware of it and the possible repercussions a couple of times, it is the university that is claiming they didn't know about it.
 
2013-04-14 08:16:03 AM
Only on Fark could a thread about a tyrannical regime turn into a discussion about horse breeds.  Ah, Fark, how I love thee.
 
2013-04-14 08:20:00 AM
drum drum drum
war war war
 
2013-04-14 08:24:00 AM

YouBWrong: Yeah, but he's never been to Christmas with my exes family.


My exes really don't get along with my dlls.
 
2013-04-14 08:34:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: YouBWrong: Yeah, but he's never been to Christmas with my exes family.

My exes really don't get along with my dlls.


as long as they get along with you kmods or .so or .a you'll be fine...
 
2013-04-14 08:35:05 AM

VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.


Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.
 
2013-04-14 08:41:12 AM

rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?


Probably because you equate bare, treeless ground with winter time.

Other than the (stock?) photo of Un on the horse, there were no photos of trees; they've cut down every single tree in NK and used it for fuel and food.
 
2013-04-14 08:41:38 AM

DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
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Medium rare.


You laugh, but Kim Jung Un (blessed be his name), not 10 minutes after that photo was taken, slaughtered the horse, distributed the meat to his desciples, and fed the ENTIRE nation off of just one horse!
 
2013-04-14 08:53:38 AM

rynthetyn: Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.

It just dawned on me, MASH is why I keep mentally grouping the Koreas in with Southeast Asia even though they're farther apart than Mexico and New York.


Yeah, I make that mistake as well, but when you look at latitude vs. the US, it makes more sense that they do have seasons aside from hot as balls, and hot as balls with monsoons.

www.health.harvard.edu
 
2013-04-14 09:22:19 AM

HMS_Blinkin: VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.



We have to assume that the regime is shaky, and I hope more than anything that we're right. Looking at the Soviet system and its satellites before their collapse makes that system seem like a paradise compared to the ongoing conditions in Best Korea. But the Soviet collapse might not be the right comparison. If anything, North Korea is far more insulated than any other regime in recent history.

What bothers me is the possibility that the Kims have found the perfect combination of fear, isolation and oppression for their particular population. What happens if their system is something that's built to last? Reaching further back in history, there are a few examples of authoritarian regimes lasting for hundreds or thousands of years. The pharoahs in Egypt and the Spartans with their terror and domination of the Helots come to mind. Of course, these were ancient regimes, and not surrounded by nations and people with better ideas on how people should be governed. But again, we go back to how successful the Kims have been in keeping these ideas away from the people.
 
2013-04-14 09:28:53 AM
Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?
 
2013-04-14 09:48:48 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Daily Mail, huh?
It's hard to imagine a worse source for anything regarding North Korea, unless Kim is dissing Beyonce on Twitter or something


Well Daily Fail needed to do a Rick Romero story in order to maintain the illusion that they are a news organization.
 
2013-04-14 09:58:43 AM

lucksi: You are a fat foreigner undercover in NK? Suuuuuure. You blend right in.


Came in to say this.

"Why are my eyes so round? Uh, well, my grandmother was Dutch."
 
2013-04-14 10:25:36 AM

Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.


Well, Kansas and North Korea are on comparable latitudes.
 
2013-04-14 10:49:35 AM
blog.rumorssteakhouse.com
What a Best Korean horse may look like.
 
2013-04-14 11:13:53 AM
Oh wow, another story about how bad conditions are in North Korea by an undercover journalist pretending to be a tourist. This time, however, he throws in the names of every late 20th century tyrant, just to make sure we know how bad it really is. Thanks man. Now that you put it in perspective, I think Best Korea is a bad place to live.

"I ask for one particular book: 1984?"
That's about as clever as asking for "The Oral Health Bible" at a British library.

"...this feels like yet another propaganda tour, and I've had enough: 'Tell the doctor we're no fools...Please don't treat us this way'."
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I hope he shouted it out like "I'm mad as hell...!"

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure you can take a group of tourists to a hospital in the UK to gawk at the patients, right?

rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Because blue skies and vibrant colors don't fit the story line.


Best Korea is one of the worst places on this planet, we all know that. If you want to be a bad ass undercover reporter, show us something we haven't already seen over and over and over again. Same old story about brainwashed, malnourished people, barren lands and a god-like leader. Same pictures, too.

What's your next assignment, writer guy? Deep cover in Detroit, to show us abandoned factories, run down housing and homeless people?
 
2013-04-14 11:30:15 AM
Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.
 
2013-04-14 11:31:14 AM
"North Korea doesn't allow journalists here so I'm going in with a group of holidaymakers."

Who the hell goes to North Korea for a vacation, aside from spies and reporters?
 
2013-04-14 11:38:01 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.


Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).
 
2013-04-14 11:38:02 AM

Bucky Katt: foghorn voiced hack Sweeney is at it again


Maybe he can throw one of his tantrums again.

That would be entertaining.
 
2013-04-14 11:52:37 AM

Ringshadow: Guys, that's a common horse coloration known as Dapple Grey.

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Many, many breeds of horse can come in this coloration. Some more commonly than others. It's very common for the Percheron draft horse, for example.

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yah but no way that's a Percheron. It's a smaller breed to make lil Kim seem bigger. I don't know the name but considering the location it may be whatever the mogul-derived breeds are.
 
2013-04-14 11:53:06 AM

Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?


When you come back your steak is juicer, your beer is colder, and your bed is softer than it ever was before.
 
2013-04-14 12:06:41 PM
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-04-14 12:08:19 PM

Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.


wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!
 
2013-04-14 12:10:46 PM
What's that strange noise I hear? It's like some kind of swordy... sabery... thing, being shaken in its sheath. You might even say it was being <i>rattled.</i>
 
2013-04-14 12:14:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: Satanic_Hamster: Alphax - Also covered in the BBC.

The university that organized the tourist trip, mainly their students, were not told about these reporters infiltrating the trip.  They're a bit ticked now, given how they risked the lives of their students and all.

Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Maybe they were hoping to run into Dennis Rodman.
 
2013-04-14 12:17:51 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Oh, I think you'd be a god damned fool to even enter that country to start with for ANY reason.

I really don't understand why any South Korean especially would go there.
 
2013-04-14 12:21:35 PM

Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?


Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.
 
2013-04-14 12:24:17 PM
www.csmonitor.com

Read it!
 
2013-04-14 12:48:14 PM

SurelyShirley: Best Korea is one of the worst places on this planet, we all know that. If you want to be a bad ass undercover reporter, show us something we haven't already seen over and over and over again. Same old story about brainwashed, malnourished people, barren lands and a god-like leader. Same pictures, too.


That's a valid criticism, but you have to remember that foreigners really can't just go wherever they want in NK.  If you actually go to NK, you get a government-planned itinerary---you don't get to even ask to go certain places, you just go where they take you.  So each journalist/tourist gets the exact same perspective.  It's not like you could just wander around the NK countryside and talk to people.  You'd immediately get noticed as a foreigner, and even if you were a South Korean passing yourself off as being from the North, you'd have no way to purchase basics like food, and you wouldn't even be allowed to travel without an official travel permit (which are only rarely given to actual North Koreans).

The only other way to get info is to interview defectors.  The scary thing is that the experience all of the journalists have is NK carefully putting on their best act for the foreign tourists.
 
2013-04-14 12:50:05 PM

Hickory-smoked: Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?

You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.


It's sad that we now think people as fat as him are "moderately overweight,"
 
2013-04-14 12:50:29 PM

namatad: /imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!


According to some defector's accounts, during bad years they only get meat on Kim Il-Sung's birthday.  Once a week would be freaking GLORIOUS for them.
 
2013-04-14 12:53:40 PM

Stone Meadow: Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?

Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.


There's nothing "exotic" about going to Fattystan. It's a vast lunar landscape of fail and crazy.
 
2013-04-14 12:54:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh boo hoo for them. What sort of idiots and likely traitors they must have been in the first place to want to spend a vacation in North Korea (what? Were all the hotels in Kabul and Mogadishu booked up?).


Humans are naturally drawn to watching suffering? Look at what happens whenever there's a terrible car accident, we slow down to get a better look. Humans are sick beings by our own standards, so we find regimes like this fascinating to watch from the outside because deep down, we want to see them rise up against their masters. Like watching an ant farm, but with people.

It doesn't make them traitors for wanting a chance to see history, they saw the suffering and can report back that it does indeed exist as we've been told and maybe even worse than what we had imagined. In this day and age, we don't always trust what we're told, we need to see it with our own eyes, even if it is heartbreaking
 
2013-04-14 12:55:47 PM
Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

www.ecoterra.org
 
2013-04-14 12:59:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ

for those who never saw it, shiats crazy over there, especially the stuff in the third problem
 
2013-04-14 01:02:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: Stone Meadow: Richard C Stanford: Yikes. So North Korea is basically a country wide re-enactment of 1984. And The Road. Why would anyone willingly vacation there?

Jaded youthful 'world travelers' who've 'been everywhere and done everything' will go to extreme lengths and risks to sample exotic locations. Video at 11.

There's nothing "exotic" about going to Fattystan. It's a vast lunar landscape of fail and crazy.


The fail and crazy combo is what makes it exotic. Same as getting into Mogadishu or Yemen or the Congo.
 
2013-04-14 01:11:06 PM

Rent Party: Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

[www.ecoterra.org image 250x247]


1. North Korea borders China

2. Those other countries didn't have nukes.

3. We have a client state that will get messed up on the border

4. Did I mention it borders China?

5. No oil.
 
2013-04-14 01:12:12 PM
Rent Party: Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

Because they have no oil? Then I imagine you're in full favor of fracking the hell out of our oilfields. If we've got all we need, we won't have to come up with excuses to invade fourth-world dystopian hellholes so we can "steal" their oil.
 
2013-04-14 01:14:19 PM

namatad: Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.

wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!


If it were that easy to get out of North Korea, don't you think that would have already happened? Going from NK to Seoul is basically impossible for a non-party official. Your average citizen isn't going to be able to go. If they somehow managed to without authorities knowing about it, they'd be imprisoned when they got back.

Basically, the only escape is through China. If you're caught in China, you are sent back to NK and you're basically going to die in a concentration camp. Those that flea tend to try to make it to the Japanese embassy or plead with the Chinese government to be sent to South Korea (it's not illegal for a North Korean to enter South Korea...South Korea views them all as Korean citizens). China views them as illegal immigrants, however. Chances of repopulation to South Korea are very very slim.

My family is North Korean. I'm an American, but, my relatives have the most amazing story of survival and escape from North Korea in the 1960s-1970s. They fled into China. Instead of seeking refuge in South Korea, they traveled all the way through China and ended up in a country called Vietnam...yeah...smack dab in the middle of the Vietnam War. Being poor country people in North Korea, they had no idea that there was a war going on. They just saw a lot of military everywhere but that was common in North Korea as well so they didn't think anything of it and they had been through the Korean conflict as well. A few of them died in Vietnam. They fled the fighting in Vietnam by boat and ended up in Singapore. From there, they took another boat to Australia. They sought political asylum in Australia. Some were allowed to stay in Australia, others were arrested for (I shiat you not) being communist spies. Of those that were arrested for being spies, one was deported back to North Korea (remember this man), the rest broke out of holding. They met with an underground Christian movement of people to safe guard them and eventually made their way to Brazil on fake passports working for Christian ministries (they really were Christian ministers by this time, though). Some stayed behind in Brazil and continued Christian ministry work there. The rest immigrated to the US to Koreatown in LA. They were granted amnesty under Reagan and still have a congregation in Koreatown to this day.

Now, the man who was sent back to North Korea as a spy, he ended up in a "re-education camp." He apparently killed two guards and fled. He made it to the DMZ and crossed over into South Korea even after being shot in the leg while crossing. He was big into origami and after tracking us down, we received an envelope with about 30 different origami papers in it and a note saying that he was free. He visited the US once for a family reunion and lived out the rest of his days in South Korea.

I always said that somebody needed to write a book about this great escape but most people who made it say they don't want to talk or think about it anymore and others have passed on. Some still fear being sent back. I can't even imagine what they saw. It's very hard for them to talk about it openly to this day so I only know the general story.
 
2013-04-14 01:23:49 PM

Doc Lee: Now, the man who was sent back to North Korea as a spy, he ended up in a "re-education camp." He apparently killed two guards and fled. He made it to the DMZ and crossed over into South Korea even after being shot in the leg while crossing. He was big into origami and after tracking us down, we received an envelope with about 30 different origami papers in it and a note saying that he was free. He visited the US once for a family reunion and lived out the rest of his days in South Korea.


That is awesome. He sounds like a bad ass mofo.
 
2013-04-14 01:50:08 PM
Of course you do, Daily Fail. Go back to printing fluff crap like the Sun.
 
2013-04-14 01:57:41 PM
The writing on this was bad, and the writer should feel bad. A few examples...

Our hotel boasts five stars, North Korean-style. The lobby is dominated by a painting of Kim Il Sung and his son, Kim Jong Il. Kim The First wears a business suit, the hideous goitre on his neck airbrushed out.

It's a painting, was the goiter painted in before being airbrushed out? As a painting, were the colors retouched from their original hues or were they just painted on like that BECAUSE IT'S A F***ING PAINTING.

Peasants working in a stream in a countryside that resembles a moonscape

A moonscape with the reflection of blue sky in its running rivers? Is this man part of the Retard Exchange program we have going with North Korea?

Outside my hotel room, human ants build a joint venture with a Chinese bank, night and day, day and night.

I think we get it. "Night and day" includes "day" and "night", yes? Just want to be clear here.

Kim Jong Un was born on Elvis's birthday

You mean Frank Nelson Doubleday, American publisher and founded the Doubleday Publishing Company's birthday? What does Elvis have to do with this? About as much as Doubleday.

Mark Fitzpatrick, an American expert on North Korea, says this is the only nation in the world ruled by a dead man. Generalissimo Kim Il Sung is still the leader of the country - a kind of god. It's rule by Zombie and Sons.

Do you mean "it's RULED", or "ITS rule" (without an apostrophe)? I had to stop here, not getting to day three. Sloppy writing and basic grammar error that make sentences nonsensical.

Well done, Daily Fail. Stick to showing fifteen year-old actresses in bikinis and hating immigrants, it's what you're best at.
 
2013-04-14 02:07:39 PM

Jackpot777: Blah, blah...

Do you mean "it's RULED", or "ITS rule" (without an apostrophe)? I had to stop here, not getting to day three. Sloppy writing and basic grammar error that make sentences nonsensical.


Neither. His structure is perfectly correct and legitimate. Back to 8th Grade with you.
 
2013-04-14 02:12:12 PM

Rent Party: Oh man, remember back in the day when Weapons of Mass Destruction was a good enough reason to invade some country, and if that didn't work out, well we are gonna liberate them from the world's biggest tin pot dictator and if you disagreed you were an America hatin' terrorist lover?

Remember that?  What happened to all those guys?  Where did they go?   Where are the cries to liberate these people from this WMD collecting tyrant?  What could possibly be different here that would result in such silence on this important topic of American security?

[www.ecoterra.org image 250x247]


But they do have trillions of dollars worth of rare earth minerals.  The same rare earth minerals they ship to China for manufacturing and placed in your cell phones and other electronics.  Imagine all of that in the hands of a unified Korea run by an elected republican form of government promoting capitalism and to keep that manufacturing with a close, United States ally.  There is your reason to get rid of Kim Jong Undone.
 
2013-04-14 02:12:14 PM
Here's the account of a recent visit by Eric Schmidt's daughter. Pretty interesting.

https://sites.google.com/site/sophieinnorthkorea/home

The Potemkin call center is my favorite part.
 
2013-04-14 02:17:58 PM

Craptastic: FTFA Headline: No ads, no planes, no internet, not a single luxury. Like Robinson Crusoe, as primitive as can be.


Weird Al contributed to the article?

/Gonna party like it's 1699
 
2013-04-14 02:32:41 PM
the comments are ... special. Obomba wants to turn the U.S. into NK!!  At what point have you lost touch with reality, if you believe that. Talk about brainwashing.
 
2013-04-14 02:36:01 PM
Doc Lee:

Thanks for the story, it's amazing what people can survive. The narrative would make a great epic book.
 
2013-04-14 03:04:50 PM

log_jammin: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?


Depends.  Does Best Korea have any oil?

If so I'm sure there are lots of people will say we liberate them
 
2013-04-14 03:22:39 PM

contrapunctus: The comparisons to Nazi Germany are correct.

The conditions inside of a North Korean concentration camp are beyond comprehension. Right now, there are about 40,000 people in Yodok experiencing an absolute hell on earth.Read if you have the stomach for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_co ncentration_camp


Jesus. I hate to sound like a chest thumping warmongering MURICAn armchair general, but it really sometimes seems like it would be worth the horror of another Korean War to liberate however North Koreans would survive the conflict.

Although I'm sure it's easier for me to say than someone living in Seoul.
 
2013-04-14 03:37:46 PM
Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.
If I can do this, so can a North Korean. The digital revolution is eating away at the regime's control - and that makes it harder to keep people brainwashed.


Except for the whole issue where North Koreans don't have cell phones.
 
2013-04-14 03:41:03 PM

BSABSVR: Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.
If I can do this, so can a North Korean. The digital revolution is eating away at the regime's control - and that makes it harder to keep people brainwashed.

Except for the whole issue where North Koreans don't have cell phones.


Cells phones are small and there are these people called smugglers who will do illegal things for money.
 
2013-04-14 03:53:17 PM

Jackpot777: The writing on this was bad, and the writer should feel bad. A few examples...


I liked this one myself:
The tourist coach is a great tool of totalitarian power: one microphone, one exit.

It's an old bus.  Settle the fark down.  My car allows me to control the radio from my steering wheel, and on the driver's door I can override my passengers' window preferences and even lock them in!  It's not a symbol of incipient fascism.  It's just a car.

North Korea is an obviously shiatty place, it shouldn't be this much work to find metaphors.
 
2013-04-14 03:56:42 PM

Arthur Jumbles: BSABSVR: Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.
If I can do this, so can a North Korean. The digital revolution is eating away at the regime's control - and that makes it harder to keep people brainwashed.

Except for the whole issue where North Koreans don't have cell phones.

Cells phones are small and there are these people called smugglers who will do illegal things for money.


Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.
 
2013-04-14 04:05:01 PM
BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.


Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...
 
2013-04-14 04:09:22 PM

Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...


I'm OK with this, actually.
 
2013-04-14 04:15:14 PM

VJStinger: Yaxe: VJStinger: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.

It's a Horse of a Different Flavor.

Oreo cookie perhaps?

Delicious. Definitely delicious with a bit of teriyaki sauce.

Yes, well everything is better with teriyaki. EVERYTHING!


www.futuramaoutlet.com
 
2013-04-14 04:18:21 PM

log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: log_jammin: VJStinger: LordJiro: neongoats: LewDux: Just another people's democracy demonized by mainstream MSM media for not tap-dancing to military-industrial complex whims and having the guts to stand-up to AmeiKKa Wake up sheeple

Troll troll. Looks more like a prime example of what happens when your entire GDP is spent sucking military cock.

Well, and when you're ruled by several lunatic dictators in a row, and everyone's too afraid of pissing off China to do anything beyond sending strongly-worded letters.

It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Who said it was our job?

That is a loaded question but I'll bite for a sec. Might have something to do with that last asshole that made it his personal mission to spread democracy, whether the people wanted it or not, all over the globe. you know, greeted as liberators while we chip away at our own liberty at home. so they can laugh at us.

It's not a loaded question. You said "it's not our job to liberate these people" as if someone had said "it's our job to liberate these people" so I just wanted to know who said that. That last asshole isn't commenting in the thread, or any place for that matter, let alone in any position of authority, so I'm not sure why you brought him up.

So...any other straw men you care to knock down?

no, you've pretty much covered it, just don't ever pursue a career in diplomacy please. Ever.

Right. Your strawman means I don't understand diplomacy. You betchya.


Naw. I think it just means it's that time of the month for you.
 
2013-04-14 04:26:09 PM

zerkalo: Need to find someone who wants to shoot and kill this sumbiatch. Then he join the others. But who wants the reins?


Me, I'll take it.
 
2013-04-14 04:41:27 PM

namatad: Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.

wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!


What's funny is this post was right under this image:

images.sodahead.com

I can't help but wonder if the South Korean leaflet campaigns (if they ever start again) would be more effective if they just showed images of how much better the outside world is compared to North Korea.
 
2013-04-14 04:42:01 PM

Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...


How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.
 
2013-04-14 04:46:37 PM

quatchi: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.

What the hell breed of horse is that anyways?

Don't think I've ever seen it's like.


Appaloosa.  My cat has one.
 
2013-04-14 04:48:52 PM
Holy fark, this thread went to Free Republic derp fast
 
2013-04-14 04:48:53 PM

SurelyShirley: On the other hand, I'm pretty sure you can take a group of tourists to a hospital in the UK to gawk at the patients, right?


I'm quite sure you would be aware of the fact that patients are there... you know, like visitors or patients being transported from room to x-ray or other testing and back again, food service, patients actually walking around.  Hospital patients are frequently mobile and like to get out of their beds and walk around. Being in a hospital without any evidence of actual patients would be incredibly creepy and it's a little disturbing that you take the story as "hurr durr, he wasn't allowed to go into patient rooms and gawk at the sick people" as opposed to "there was zero activity that indicated the existence of patients."
 
2013-04-14 04:59:10 PM
Daily Mail bullshiat, pics are probably shopped to match the made up story.

FTA:
"The lobby is dominated by a painting of Kim Il Sung and his son, Kim Jong Il. Kim The First wears a business suit, the hideous goitre on his neck airbrushed out."

Why in the King Hell would you airbrush out something on a painting? Why wouldn't you just not paint it?

Daily Mail propaganda, brought to you by Drew Curtis and his need for money, America be damned. Death to Tories.
 
2013-04-14 05:06:39 PM

1stgenwhtrash: HMS_Blinkin: VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.


We have to assume that the regime is shaky, and I hope more than anything that we're right. Looking at the Soviet system and its satellites before their collapse makes that system seem like a paradise compared to the ongoing conditions in Best Korea. But the Soviet collapse might not be the right comparison. If anything, North Korea is far more insulated than any other regime in recent history.

What bothers me is the possibility that the Kims have found the perfect combination of fear, isolation and oppression for their particular population. What happens if their system is something that's built to last? Reaching further back in history, there are a few examples of authoritarian regimes lasting for hundreds or thousands of years. The pharoahs in Egypt and the Spartans with their terror and domination of the Helots come to mind. Of course, these were ancient regimes, and not surrounded by nations and people with better ideas on how people should be governed. But again, we go back to how successful the Kims have been in keeping these ideas away from the people.


But the Pharaohs were more than one dynasty- it's not like one family held the reigns for thousands of years, there were thirty odd dynasties, including some foreign conquerors who set up dynasties.. The last dynasty was Macedonian- Alexander the Great's general Ptolemy (and there were officially 13 of them, the dynasty lasted for just shy of 300 years- not a bad run). The Spartans, on the other hand, had to deal with pretty regular revolts from the Helots, and only held control over them for a bit better than 500 years (from at least 800 until Epamonidas, I think, in the 4th century). Both there you have one population controlling another- the Helots were mostly Messinians, from the city of Messina which the Spartans conquered around 800, and "helot" may just mean "captive." The Spartan system of government changed in that time, so it's not really comparable either.
 
2013-04-14 05:07:47 PM

Brian Ryanberger: Daily Mail bullshiat, pics are probably shopped to match the made up story.

FTA:
"The lobby is dominated by a painting of Kim Il Sung and his son, Kim Jong Il. Kim The First wears a business suit, the hideous goitre on his neck airbrushed out."

Why in the King Hell would you airbrush out something on a painting? Why wouldn't you just not paint it?

Daily Mail propaganda, brought to you by Drew Curtis and his need for money, America be damned. Death to Tories.


That's the weakest troll attempt I've ever seen.

-∞/0
 
2013-04-14 05:25:50 PM

Rent Party: www.ecoterra.org


North Korea has a few trillion dollar's worth of rare earth metals sitting under the ground. Some of which are a bit more valuable than oil.

and Natasha: But the Pharaohs were more than one dynasty-


And over time there was a lot of difference between dynasties. Indeed exactly what constituted proper religious observance kept changing.
 
2013-04-14 05:32:43 PM

namatad: Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.

wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!


Actually, not necessarily. There's a fairly decent number of defectors who get homesick, have trouble adapting to the craziness of Seoul, and decide to go back to the North. It may be a crappy place, but when it's the crappy place that you're from, well, the draw of home is powerful.
 
2013-04-14 05:35:18 PM

Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.


Fine.  Just do OLPNK (one laptop per north korean) with distributed wifi meshes.

/probably need some hand crank generators too

Store and forward, baby.

/heck, even FIDOnet would be a step up
 
2013-04-14 05:41:55 PM

1stgenwhtrash: What bothers me is the possibility that the Kims have found the perfect combination of fear, isolation and oppression for their particular population. What happens if their system is something that's built to last? Reaching further back in history, there are a few examples of authoritarian regimes lasting for hundreds or thousands of years. The pharoahs in Egypt and the Spartans with their terror and domination of the Helots come to mind. Of course, these were ancient regimes, and not surrounded by nations and people with better ideas on how people should be governed. But again, we go back to how successful the Kims have been in keeping these ideas away from the people.


In general, kingdoms run by self-proclaimed god-emperors (of the ilk of North Korea) have tended to fare...poorly when major famines and national bankruptcy have hit, and (either via invasion or uprising) the god-emperor-wannabes soon find they've lost the Mandate of Heaven, so to speak.

(Pretty much there were at least two major periods of collapse in Egypt's history, and they ended up being taken over first by the Greeks and later by the caliphates; Imperial-era China (which is honestly the best comparison to what's going on in North Korea, seeing as the Kims ARE pretty blatantly ripping off Korean mythology regarding the restoration of the Korean monarchy to declare themselves as god-kings) had multiple cycles of imperial collapse (some by insurrection--the "Revocation of the Mandate of Heaven" I mentioned--some by invasion, and the insurrections were often triggered by famine; there's traditions in both China and Korea that it's a Sign From The Powers That Be That It's Time For A Revolution when mass famine strikes, because Obviously The Gods No Longer Approve Of The Human In Charge).  Sparta (and the Helots) eventually got the shiat liberated out of them by an Ancient Greek City-State Coalition Of The Willing founded by Athens, and in fact Athens both during and after the Spartan War actively encouraged Helot rebellions.)

Kim Jong-Un may well be the self-proclaimed god-emperor of what is literally considered to be the working model of how coercive religious groups work (yes, seriously--some of the initial studies of the sorts of thought reform used by the likes of Scientology, the Moonies, and the NARasites have stemmed from studies of "thought reform" as practiced in Best Korea) but he has forgotten one very, very important thing:

There is always--always--someone bigger than you out there.
 
2013-04-14 06:06:50 PM

Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...


Difficulty the Second: There IS no cell network in North Korea at this time--there was one (which only foreigners and party officials had access to) but it got shut down about the time Kim Jong-I-Just-Squeezed-Out-A-Big-Un went full derpguk (It would be an actual grave insult to persons with intellectual disabilities to compare them to the Kims--we'd have to possibly go with "GIVE FETUSES AK47s" levels of dominionist derp for an accurate comparison).   Yoiu'd need sat phones, at minimum.

Difficulty the Third: Pretty much anyone who is in Best Korea who is not trying to find a way out or who is not on an involuntary family vacation at Kim Il-Sung Happy Re-Education Camp For Juche #14 (more on that in a bit) is...well...in pretty much the same general situation as someone who was raised in Jonestown or in a compound of a similar apocalyptic coercive religious group.  (I've said it before, I'll say it again--once North Korea gets the shiat liberated out of it, the one thing they will need as much as refeeding and infrastructure will be exit counselors...a SHIATLOAD of exit counselors.)

Difficulty the Fourth: As the Kims have tried to style themselves as the Very Model Of A Modern God-Emperorship In The Asian Style, they also still have a thing from the God-Emperorships of Old known as "Ten Generations Punishment"...which means that if you fark up in the eyes of the government (and pretty much having a satellite phone from The Declared Enemy is the very farking definition of having Farked Up Majorly) not only you, but your entire extended family (including grandparents, grandkids, second cousins once removed, the whole farking lot) and pretty much anyone who is known to have associated with you gets sent on an involuntary lifelong family vacation to Kim Jong-Il Memorial Happy Fun Re-Education Camp #14 (which is about as "happy" and "fun" as, say, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is "democratic" or a "republic"--I would legitimately go so far as to say that "Happy Camp" in this case is about as entertaining as, say, Auschwitz-II Birkenau circa June 1943 with about as much chance of Work Setting You Free).

Difficulty the Fifth: Assuming you managed to find the one Best Korean fearless and wily enough to both happily use a satellite phone dropped from the skies and NOT report it to the block warden (yes, these exist, in a setup not unlike that of "cell churches" and in Best Korea one is ALWAYS supposed to report things Out Of The Ordinary to the Block Warden lest...well...you and ALL your friends get a free involuntary permanent family vacation at Kim Il-Sung Memorial Happy Fun Re-Education Camp #14) and somehow manage to NOT win a free trip at gunpoint to Kim Il-Sung Memorial Happy Fun Re-Education Camp #14 with their family and friends...that sat-phone is going to run out of juice in a few hours.  Pretty much no part of Best Korea has regular electricity outside of Pyongyang and various monuments to the Kims.  Methinks that the Kim Il-Sung Museum To The Basketball That Michael Jordan Touched That Was Gifted As Tribute By The US President is not going to let Mr. Target-on-his-ass recharge his satellite phone without a LOT of questions likely to result in Mr. Target-on-his-ass and ALL his family and friends getting an express pre-paid trip...to Kim Il-Sung Memorial Happy Fun Re-Education Camp #14.  (Notice a wee bit of a theme here?)
 
2013-04-14 06:18:19 PM

Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.


As I said before, you'd need to find a way to blanket cover them with service. It's not too great an area and there are a lot of sparsely populated areas that could be ignored. Mesh networking would also be an option. As long as the signal can get to the outside, that's basically all that is needed.
 
2013-04-14 06:36:51 PM

Great Porn Dragon: Words...


Read up thread. You're talking to somebody whose relatives lived it. I hope that you didn't honestly think that I was advocating the use of DPRK's cell network. It's not accurate to describe them as being like the people of Jonestown. The fact is that they are ignorant of the world that exists beyond their borders. They believe that life is better in the DPRK because its all they've ever known. It used to be that way. After the Korean conflict, the North was better off financially and economically than the South. This is why information is key. But, it can't just be information that you pump over a radio station or loud speaker. The people need to discover it on their own. Change comes from within.
 
2013-04-14 07:15:06 PM

WhyteRaven74: Rent Party: www.ecoterra.org

North Korea has a few trillion dollar's worth of rare earth metals sitting under the ground. Some of which are a bit more valuable than oil.

and Natasha: But the Pharaohs were more than one dynasty-

And over time there was a lot of difference between dynasties. Indeed exactly what constituted proper religious observance kept changing.


Give it time... with all of the people carbon they are burying depositing in large graves caverns, they are well on their way to a war crimes tribunal giant oil reserve.
 
2013-04-14 07:20:44 PM

Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.


If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.
 
2013-04-14 07:24:19 PM

namatad: Doc Lee: Psyops need to be a lot stronger if you want a popular uprising.  If I were in charge, I'd find a way to blanket the country with cell coverage and start dropping cell phones with Internet access all over the countryside.  Let the people clue in on the outside world.  The people need to be I un-brainwashed but that can only really happen if they come to accept that they are brainwashed in the first place.

wouldnt take a lot to unbrainwash them
take 100 on a tour of seoul, give them an unlimited credit card.
between clothes and food shopping, they would die, rather than return to the best korea

/imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!
/the side dishes would make them weep. the meat platter arriving would break their hearts.
/plus they would see all the tall, plump/muscled south koreans and wonder who all the giants were!


You really need to check out the stories of people who try to leave the FLDS.

Many, many people have gone to extraordinary measures to get out, only to go right back.
 
2013-04-14 07:35:19 PM

Doc Lee: Great Porn Dragon: Words...

Read up thread. You're talking to somebody whose relatives lived it. I hope that you didn't honestly think that I was advocating the use of DPRK's cell network. It's not accurate to describe them as being like the people of Jonestown. The fact is that they are ignorant of the world that exists beyond their borders. They believe that life is better in the DPRK because its all they've ever known. It used to be that way. After the Korean conflict, the North was better off financially and economically than the South. This is why information is key. But, it can't just be information that you pump over a radio station or loud speaker. The people need to discover it on their own. Change comes from within.


Not to mention that people are inclined to think that where they're from is great even when there is plenty of outside evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-04-14 07:49:53 PM

DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
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Medium rare.

x27.xanga.com

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.
 
2013-04-14 07:51:16 PM

Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...



Are you going to air drop in the cell towers and mobile network, too?  Because a cell phone without that is called a paperweight.
 
2013-04-14 07:53:18 PM

dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.


You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!
 
2013-04-14 07:57:36 PM

Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!


You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!
 
2013-04-14 07:58:40 PM

dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!


The Iridium satellite constellation.
 
2013-04-14 08:00:10 PM

dopirt: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

The Iridium satellite constellation.

 
Your cell phone doesn't speak to that.  Ever.  You should just say "I don't know how cell phones work" and be done with it.
 
2013-04-14 08:01:20 PM

Rent Party: dopirt: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

The Iridium satellite constellation.
 
Your cell phone doesn't speak to that.  Ever.  You should just say "I don't know how cell phones work" and be done with it.


You seem to be the only person restricting this conversation to cell phones.

As if that is the only possible way of communicating with people.
 
2013-04-14 08:02:28 PM

dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!


Are you moving the goal posts, now?  You're going to drop a sat phone for everyone?   Lets see what that does to this preposterous bit of supposition...

A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.

You should probably adjust your math now that you've adjusted the technology.
 
2013-04-14 08:04:55 PM

dave2198: Rent Party: dopirt: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

The Iridium satellite constellation.
 
Your cell phone doesn't speak to that.  Ever.  You should just say "I don't know how cell phones work" and be done with it.

You seem to be the only person restricting this conversation to cell phones.


Who wrote this?

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.

I didn't build that particular goal post, but you are the one trying to move it around.

As if that is the only possible way of communicating with people.

Well go ahead and give us your plan for dropping sat phones into NK, then.   Because I'm sure it would be completely doable and make complete and total sense.   Almost as much sense as dropping cell phones, in fact.
 
2013-04-14 08:08:05 PM

Rent Party: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

Are you moving the goal posts, now?  You're going to drop a sat phone for everyone?   Lets see what that does to this preposterous bit of supposition...

A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.

You should probably adjust your math now that you've adjusted the technology.


I never set the goalposts, because I am not the person who posted the original idea. You would know that if you could read.
 
2013-04-14 08:12:07 PM

Rent Party: dave2198: Rent Party: dopirt: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

The Iridium satellite constellation.
 
Your cell phone doesn't speak to that.  Ever.  You should just say "I don't know how cell phones work" and be done with it.

You seem to be the only person restricting this conversation to cell phones.

Who wrote this?

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.

I didn't build that particular goal post, but you are the one trying to move it around.

As if that is the only possible way of communicating with people.

Well go ahead and give us your plan for dropping sat phones into NK, then.   Because I'm sure it would be completely doable and make complete and total sense.   Almost as much sense as dropping cell phones, in fact.


I was merely pointing out that giving up on the idea of giving the NK people communication devices because they don't have cell phone service is "hrr-drr" retarded. At least try to be a little creative.

Or, you know, continue to troll on the internet and pick silly fights for no goddamned reason.

That works too.
 
2013-04-14 08:25:27 PM

Rent Party: You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!


www.iridium.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation

/although I sort of think Iridium's business  model would be stressed by a few million free phones added to the system
 
2013-04-14 08:33:02 PM
btw, Osama bin Ladin supposedly had an iridium phone.  Reported in the German press as  phone number 00873-682505331.

Wonder who has his number now
 
2013-04-14 08:33:28 PM

Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.


You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.
 
2013-04-14 08:45:38 PM

and Natasha: 1stgenwhtrash: HMS_Blinkin: VJStinger: It is not our job to liberate these people. Plain and simple. It twists my gut in knots, but you know it to be true.

Of course not.  But if Lil' Kim crosses the line, we may be forced to do so.  Honestly, all we'd have to do would be bomb military and government command and control centers.  That regime is so farking shaky.


We have to assume that the regime is shaky, and I hope more than anything that we're right. Looking at the Soviet system and its satellites before their collapse makes that system seem like a paradise compared to the ongoing conditions in Best Korea. But the Soviet collapse might not be the right comparison. If anything, North Korea is far more insulated than any other regime in recent history.

What bothers me is the possibility that the Kims have found the perfect combination of fear, isolation and oppression for their particular population. What happens if their system is something that's built to last? Reaching further back in history, there are a few examples of authoritarian regimes lasting for hundreds or thousands of years. The pharoahs in Egypt and the Spartans with their terror and domination of the Helots come to mind. Of course, these were ancient regimes, and not surrounded by nations and people with better ideas on how people should be governed. But again, we go back to how successful the Kims have been in keeping these ideas away from the people.

But the Pharaohs were more than one dynasty- it's not like one family held the reigns for thousands of years, there were thirty odd dynasties, including some foreign conquerors who set up dynasties.. The last dynasty was Macedonian- Alexander the Great's general Ptolemy (and there were officially 13 of them, the dynasty lasted for just shy of 300 years- not a bad run). The Spartans, on the other hand, had to deal with pretty regular revolts from the Helots, and only held control over them for a bit better than 500 years (from at least 800 until Ep ...


I brought up the helots due to their overwhelming numbers compared to the Spartan citizens. The ritual humiliations and state sanctioned murders (helot season!) kept them in line for an amazing amount of time. I could only find one rebellion of note before the Athenians and others--as Great Porn Dragon--notes below--came on the scene. That was the Great Earthquake of 464 BC. But honestly I didn't look into it too deeply.

Regarding the Egyptians, I think my point was that the system of Pharaoh as the God King and his subjects as slaves lasted for a very long time, passing on from one dynasty to the next. Certainly there were rebellions and the chain wasn't unbroken, but the system managed to perpetuate itself.

Now we have the Kims. And barring outside interference. How long can they and/or their replacements last?
 
2013-04-14 08:51:30 PM
From Natchez to Mobile, from Memphis to St. Joe, the author's seen him some big towns, he's seen him some bad cats.
 
2013-04-14 09:02:05 PM

dave2198: Rent Party: dopirt: dave2198: Rent Party: dave2198: Mad_Radhu: Doc Lee: BSABSVR:
Money grows on trees in North Korea, and contraband and people flow freely over the border.  The average citizen is just waiting to buy cell phones and blu ray players with his or her massive surplus of funding.

After my belly is filled with the finest mud and grass, my first priority is  clearly going to be a doodad that can get me killed.

Air drop them into the NK.  A cell phone for every citizen at cost would be less than $1 billion.  That's a lot cheaper than involving ourselves in a land war in Asia...

How do you activate service? If there is even a Best Korea cell network, it is government controlled and you would have to contact them to activate the SIM and IMEI. Only the border areas would have a weak signal leaking in from China and Worst Korea.

If only we had objects floating in space that could be used to provide communications access in areas where setting up land-based communication may be difficult.

You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

You think cell phones are the only type of phone?

Lolz!

The Iridium satellite constellation.
 
Your cell phone doesn't speak to that.  Ever.  You should just say "I don't know how cell phones work" and be done with it.

You seem to be the only person restricting this conversation to cell phones.

As if that is the only possible way of communicating with people.


Well, yeah, but the North Koreans would eat carrier pigeons, so that's out.
 
2013-04-14 09:08:07 PM

Gyrfalcon: Well, yeah, but the North Koreans would eat carrier pigeons, so that's out.


Hmm, another flaw with my plan of using FidoNet....
 
2013-04-14 09:09:51 PM

Great Porn Dragon: 1stgenwhtrash:
In general, kingdoms run by self-proclaimed god-emperors (of the ilk of North Korea) have tended to fare...poorly when major famines and national bankruptcy have hit, and (either via invasion or uprising) the god-emperor-wannabes soon find they've lost the Mandate of Heaven, so to speak.

(Pretty much there were at least two major periods of collapse in Egypt's history, and they ended up being taken over first by the Greeks and later by the caliphates; Imperial-era China (which is honestly the best comparison to what's going on in North Korea, seeing as the Kims ARE pretty blatantly ripping off Korean mythology regarding the restoration of the Korean monarchy to declare themselves as god-kings) had multiple cycles of imperial collapse (some by insurrection--the "Revocation of the Mandate of Heaven" I mentioned--some by invasion, and the insurrections were often triggered by famine; there's traditions in both China and Korea that it's a Sign From The Powers That Be That It's Time For A Revolution when mass famine strikes, because Obviously The Gods No Longer Approve Of The Human In Charge).  Sparta (and the Helots) eventually got the shiat liberated out of them by an Ancient Greek City-State Coalition Of The Willing founded by Athens, and in fact Athens both during and after the Sparta

n War actively encouraged Helot rebellions.)

Kim Jong-Un may well be the self-proclaimed god-emperor of what isliterally considered to be the working model of how coercive religious groups work (yes, seriously--some of the initial studies of the sorts of thought reform used by the likes of Scientology, the Moonies, and the NARasites have stemmed from studies of "thought reform" as practiced in Best Korea) but he has forgotten one very, very important thing:

There is always--always--someone bigger than you out there.


In this case the big regional power happens to be China. I believe it's going to be their Mandate to Revoke, or not, in Best Korea. It's been pointed out that they don't want a unified US ally on their border. Nor do they want a famine/civil war situation on their hands. On the other hand, North Korea, as an ally, has a history of being ungrateful and difficult to manage. Kim Il Sung never once acknowledged that the Chinese 100% saved his ass during the Korean war. Some of our men were pissing in the Yalu river when the Chinese sprung their trap.
 
2013-04-14 09:12:27 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Gyrfalcon: Well, yeah, but the North Koreans would eat carrier pigeons, so that's out.

Hmm, another flaw with my plan of using FidoNet....


New plan: release packs of animals into North Korea, with little bags around their necks full of cocaine, labeled "salt," and guns strapped to their backs. I want to see NK deal with an entire population high on coke with guns.

I know, I know... that much coke is expensive.
 
2013-04-14 09:33:43 PM

rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.


Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.
 
2013-04-14 09:39:33 PM

Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.

Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.


myrescuedogrescuedme.files.wordpress.com
Was it served on a plate of tender bamboo?
 
2013-04-14 09:53:54 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.

Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.

[myrescuedogrescuedme.files.wordpress.com image 506x689]
Was it served on a plate of tender bamboo?


Just on a regular plate at a regular restaurant with regular Vietnamese eating dog at a dog restaurant like any other day. I was the only thing out of place though I'm low key and no one noticed. I'll stick to eating snake.
 
2013-04-14 10:00:47 PM

log_jammin: OK dad...


www.mst3ktemple.com

I'm your MOTHER now, Frank!
 
2013-04-14 10:07:20 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Rent Party: You tihnk your cell phone can reach a satellite?

Lolz!

[www.iridium.com image 189x99]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation

/although I sort of think Iridium's business  model would be stressed by a few million free phones added to the system


I hate repeating myself, but your cell phone, or any cell phone for that matter, will never talk to that satellite system.

Sat phones are not cell phones are not sat phones.  Repeat that until you understand you don't know how cell phones work.
 
2013-04-14 10:07:27 PM

Kevin72: Arthur Jumbles: Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.

Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.

[myrescuedogrescuedme.files.wordpress.com image 506x689]
Was it served on a plate of tender bamboo?

Just on a regular plate at a regular restaurant with regular Vietnamese eating dog at a dog restaurant like any other day. I was the only thing out of place though I'm low key and no one noticed. I'll stick to eating snake.


Meh, think dog's pretty tasty. Sounds like your guide didn't take you to a place that serves it in the traditional way--there's seven traditional Vietnamese dog dishes, none of which look like eating a chicken drumstick. I'm kind of so-so about the sausage, and hate the vertebra soup (tastes like wet dog smells), but the other traditional dog dishes are pretty decent. I particularly like roasted and thinly sliced meat, it tastes rather reminiscent of a nice roast beef.
 
2013-04-14 10:34:29 PM

rynthetyn: Kevin72: Arthur Jumbles: Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.

Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.

[myrescuedogrescuedme.files.wordpress.com image 506x689]
Was it served on a plate of tender bamboo?

Just on a regular plate at a regular restaurant with regular Vietnamese eating dog at a dog restaurant like any other day. I was the only thing out of place though I'm low key and no one noticed. I'll stick to eating snake.

Meh, think dog's pretty tasty. Sounds like your guide didn't take you to a place that serves it in the traditional way--there's seven traditional Vietnamese dog dishes, none of which look like eating a chicken drumstick. I'm kind of so-so about the sausage, and hate the vertebra soup (tastes like wet dog smells), but the other traditional dog dishes are pretty decent. I particularly like roasted and thinly sliced meat, it tastes rather reminiscent of a nice roast beef.


Sounds like he took me to the blue-collar working class dog place. If it mattered, I would look to go upscale. I did it once, will not do again. I will stick to Phô Tai and mång cut.
 
2013-04-14 10:56:56 PM
We should "bomb" NK with hundreds of thousands of radios (for propaganda broadcasts) , tens of thousands of "assault weapons", high capacity magazines, tons of ammunition, instruction manuals, maps, MRE's... and candy.

Lots and lots of candy.

Make sure they're contained within their borders until they sort out their own mess.

Once they're armed, they'll Un-do their problems quickly enough.
 
2013-04-14 11:14:26 PM
Can we just contaminate their water supply with 'bath salts'? Give it a week or so and mop up after
 
2013-04-14 11:41:39 PM

Alebak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ

for those who never saw it, shiats crazy over there, especially the stuff in the third problem


Thanks, those were pretty good. Nothing really new, but the fine-level details were interesting.
 
2013-04-14 11:49:51 PM
Water supply? LSD.
 
2013-04-14 11:58:19 PM

Brainsick: Can we just contaminate their water supply with 'bath salts'? Give it a week or so and mop up after


They're already dosing their peasants with meth.
 
2013-04-14 11:59:20 PM

Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: Arthur Jumbles: Kevin72: rynthetyn: Kevin72: DeltaPunch: I'll take this horse.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x514]
Medium rare.
[x27.xanga.com image 491x555]

I'll take the dog. Medium rare.

You don't want medium rare dog, there's a trichinosis danger with undercooked dog.

Just kidding. I ate dog meat once in Vietnam to say I did it. Worst thing I ever did. Will never ever do it again. Felt sick physically plus the guilt of eating a Fido. Guide told me I was eating shoulder meat. In retrospect, shoulder meat, WTF?. I did not eat the thing that looked like chicken drumsticks. Because I knew it was doglegs. Gotta go hide my head in shame now after admitting this again.

[myrescuedogrescuedme.files.wordpress.com image 506x689]
Was it served on a plate of tender bamboo?

Just on a regular plate at a regular restaurant with regular Vietnamese eating dog at a dog restaurant like any other day. I was the only thing out of place though I'm low key and no one noticed. I'll stick to eating snake.

Meh, think dog's pretty tasty. Sounds like your guide didn't take you to a place that serves it in the traditional way--there's seven traditional Vietnamese dog dishes, none of which look like eating a chicken drumstick. I'm kind of so-so about the sausage, and hate the vertebra soup (tastes like wet dog smells), but the other traditional dog dishes are pretty decent. I particularly like roasted and thinly sliced meat, it tastes rather reminiscent of a nice roast beef.

Sounds like he took me to the blue-collar working class dog place. If it mattered, I would look to go upscale. I did it once, will not do again. I will stick to Phô Tai and mång cut.


The place I ate at was sitting on the floor eating from a mat, I wouldn't exactly call that "upscale".
 
2013-04-15 12:37:55 AM

Rent Party: I hate repeating myself, but your cell phone, or any cell phone for that matter, will never talk to that satellite system.

Sat phones are not cell phones are not sat phones. Repeat that until you understand you don't know how cell phones work.


You hate repeasting yourself, because it makes you look stupid over and over?

This part of the discussion was about providing NK citizens with communications devices to the outside world.  It started out as cell phones, and that term lagged around in the quoting process.  big whoop.

Regardless, Sat phones ARE a device that could be used from Best Korea, and a hand held unit CAN reach a satellite.  They would theoretically work as a way to implement the speculation.

Most sat phones have an international mobile equipment identity (IMEI) assigned just as 'regular' cell phones do. They both work by handing off connections as connections to old infrastructure transceivers fade and new ones come in range.  The fact that in one case of those the transceivers are in towers and the others in satellites is just a detail.  There are even phones that work in both modes.  like the TerreStar-GENUS

You are like the idiots in the gun threads whining "they are MAGAZINES not CLIPS!!1!" as if that added any functional information to the discussion.

Get a clue.

/let me guess, you are one of those guys in the gun threads
 
2013-04-15 01:04:22 AM

Dr.Zom: rynthetyn: The real question is why I've never seen a picture of North Korea that doesn't look to have been taken in winter?

Obama's weather machine.

My dad fought in the Korean War and he used to make fun of MASH's southern California setting as looking nothing like Korea. He said it looked more like Kansas and that shot of Un on the horse bears that out.


California looks more like Korea than it does Minnesota. As a kid I had to wonder when watching Little House on the Prairie, what part of my home state had all the tall mountains and the summers that lasted 7/8ths of the year. (Because I definitely wanted my family to move there.)

I think the most ridiculous California Doubling occurs in the original Halloween movie which features palm trees and green sunny weather in late October. (And it's supposed to take place in Illinois. I never understood that. Why not just set the story in California if the setting is so obviously California?)
 
2013-04-15 02:11:56 AM

Kittypie070: Water supply? LSD.



Add ecstasy and it's all good.


/Maybe some catnip?
 
2013-04-15 03:59:59 AM
Oh goody, sabre rattling in the "popular" press.  Preparing the saintly and not at all gullible citizens of the West for the next "cake walk".

Yay.

I think North Korea is a horrible place and probably would be better off as a democracy**.  But come on, how many Emmanuel Goldsteins is that in the last 10 years?

**Hard to say, who knows what brand of crazy would win a free election there right now - but probably a right wing military guy looking to start a war with someone.  Or some puppet with America or China's hand up its arse that will get overthrown in the near future, having done nothing good for the populace but a lot good for foreign business

/There's no way South Korea wants to be burdened by reunification
//That shiat will suck all the life out of their economy
 
2013-04-15 05:18:29 AM

CheapEngineer: Naw. I think it just means it's that time of the month for you.


be careful. That would mean I may attract bears!
 
2013-04-15 08:42:40 AM
Don't people EVER visit the west, then go back and say 'Maybe we're doing it wrong'?
 
2013-04-15 09:49:50 AM

if_i_really_have_to: /There's no way South Korea wants to be burdened by reunification
//That shiat will suck all the life out of their economy


Hmmm...... I wonder if there are any local countries that would benefit from seeing Korea's economic might by blunted by having to help their idiot sibling get up to speed over the next 20 years?
 
2013-04-15 12:04:48 PM

Alphax: Yeah, probably true, but the Daily Mail?  Really now.


This is actually a GODD DailyFail article, and for once there is more than 3 sentences worth of data. I'm rather impressed.
 
2013-04-15 12:08:27 PM
This was stupid though...

Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.

Yeah dude, what do you think, we all carry cell towers on our backs and NK has some kind of neutralizing field that makes radio waves stop exactly at the border? "Wow, how strange that when I get right next to the border, and stand in exactly the right spot, I get a single bar on my cellphone. That's gotta be God at work, or something."
 
2013-04-15 12:23:35 PM

Mikey1969: This was stupid though...

Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.

Yeah dude, what do you think, we all carry cell towers on our backs and NK has some kind of neutralizing field that makes radio waves stop exactly at the border? "Wow, how strange that when I get right next to the border, and stand in exactly the right spot, I get a single bar on my cellphone. That's gotta be God at work, or something."


"네가이 말을들을 수 있습니까? "

/google translate based  jokes don't always go through reverse as desired.  Its supposed to be "Can you hear me now?"
 
2013-04-15 01:28:46 PM

Shakin_Haitian: Hickory-smoked: Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?

You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.

It's sad that we now think people as fat as him are "moderately overweight,"


Shakin_Haitian: Hickory-smoked: Iczer: That poor, poor, poor horse...

/they shot it afterwards right?

You know, being moderately overweight is the least of Kim's issues.

It's sad that we now think people as fat as him are "moderately overweight,"


Yeah, the kid is fat, but he's hardly horse-killing-obese. I don't know if he'd be outside the average, if he was an American rather than the leader of a nation in famine.

My only point is exaggerating his weight seems about as relevant of making fun of Stalin for having bad breath.
 
2013-04-15 01:31:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Mikey1969: This was stupid though...

Up on a hill, by yet another Kim statue, the strangest thing happens: I pick up a phone signal from the South only a few kilometres away.

Yeah dude, what do you think, we all carry cell towers on our backs and NK has some kind of neutralizing field that makes radio waves stop exactly at the border? "Wow, how strange that when I get right next to the border, and stand in exactly the right spot, I get a single bar on my cellphone. That's gotta be God at work, or something."

"네가이 말을들을 수 있습니까? "

/google translate based  jokes don't always go through reverse as desired.  Its supposed to be "Can you hear me now?"


LOL, that's awesome.
 
2013-04-15 02:45:48 PM

HMS_Blinkin: namatad: /imagine your average starving NK who might have meat once a week to once a month going to a korean BBQ in seoul??!!!

According to some defector's accounts, during bad years they only get meat on Kim Il-Sung's birthday.  Once a week would be freaking GLORIOUS for them.


I was listening to the "dark secret place" podcast about Best Korea and he said that their Army rations used to included a tiny bit of meat every day (around 1990 I think?). The Army is now down to the same amount of meat but every week.

The army also keeps on lowering the minimum height requirements, they are now down to 4'10, which is the maximum height to be labelled a "Little Person" (Dwarf, Midget) in the US.

The WHO was allowed in to hand out vaccines and their data says the average NK eats a dangerously low-protein diet.
 
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