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2013-04-13 12:49:51 PM
Jesus has been depicted in art as triumphant, gentle or suffering. Now, in a controversial new sculpture in downtown Toronto, he is shown as homeless - an outcast sleeping on a bench.

Prosperity Doctrine Jesus does not sleep on park benches.
 
2013-04-13 01:27:42 PM
Of course not. Christians think they're rich because Jesus was rich.

Jesus is too perfect to ever be destitute.
 
2013-04-13 01:52:20 PM
Wasn't being a poor outcast the whole point of Jesus?
 
2013-04-13 01:55:09 PM

Tigger: Wasn't being a poor outcast the whole point of Jesus?


It was when I went to Sunday school. I've long since recovered from religion, but have to wonder what the hell Bible people have been reading in the past couple of decades. Did they take out all of the stuff about loving your neighbor, blessed be the poor, and healing the sick?
 
2013-04-13 04:15:10 PM

buzzcut73: It was when I went to Sunday school. I've long since recovered from religion, but have to wonder what the hell Bible people have been reading


This is an assumption I wouldn't make.
 
2013-04-13 04:50:59 PM
yes, everybody knows he lived in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion in the houston suburbs.
 
2013-04-13 04:58:56 PM

FlashHarry: yes, everybody knows he lived in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion in the houston suburbs.


No, that was Jésus.
 
2013-04-13 04:58:58 PM
"It was very upsetting because the rectors liked it, but when it got to the administration, people thought it might be too controversial or vague," he says. He was told "it was not an appropriate image."

Well, it does run the risk of inadvertently teaching someone the values of humility, kindness, compassion and/or generosity.
 
2013-04-13 05:36:13 PM
Wasn't there some sort of heresy that was purged by the Inquisition many years ago regarding whether Jesus owned the ass he rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday?
 
2013-04-13 05:50:07 PM
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Maybe he's too ashamed to be seen after that terrible dragging incident.
 
2013-04-13 06:05:11 PM

show me: FlashHarry: yes, everybody knows he lived in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion in the houston suburbs.

No, that was Jésus.


Heavens no! He mows the lawn, what would something like that do to the property values?
 
2013-04-13 06:21:54 PM
They're just mad he doesn't look like Rodrigo Borgia.
 
2013-04-13 06:23:33 PM
i.newsarama.com
 
2013-04-13 06:23:55 PM
" And now, ladies and gentlemen, the sound of many panties being wadded"
 
2013-04-13 06:26:30 PM
Schmalz, 43, roots the sculpture in his experiences in Toronto, where he trained at the former Ontario College of Art. "I was totally used to stepping over people. You're not aware they are human beings. They become obstacles in the urban environment and you lose a spiritual connection to them. They become inert, an inconvenience."


Just because you callously stepped over the homeless doesn't mean the rest of us did.  Your sculpture's statement is not "look everyone, there are homeless people," it's "oh wow, I just now noticed there are homeless people around."
 
2013-04-13 06:26:43 PM
Homeless ben franklin laughs at your distaste of the homeless jesus.

i.imgur.com

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I thought ben franklin was white. But seems he is some type of copper color. Well back to study up in the whitewash history book I guess.
 
2013-04-13 06:29:27 PM

buzzcut73: Tigger: Wasn't being a poor outcast the whole point of Jesus?

It was when I went to Sunday school. I've long since recovered from religion, but have to wonder what the hell Bible people have been reading in the past couple of decades. Did they take out all of the stuff about loving your neighbor, blessed be the poor, and healing the sick?


pretty much. Now it's all abortion is murder, hate the gays, and look down on the poors.
 
2013-04-13 06:36:25 PM
Jesus didn't drive the moneylenders out of the Temple, you see; it was those dirty Occupy hippies and Jesus was really just helping the moneylenders move their things
 
2013-04-13 06:39:11 PM

quatchi: Wasn't there some sort of heresy that was purged by the Inquisition many years ago regarding whether Jesus owned the ass he rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday?


Yes. Pope Joe vs. The Cincinati Bengals. Then ten points were awarded to Griffindore.
 
2013-04-13 06:39:19 PM
FEAR ART.
 
2013-04-13 06:42:20 PM
From the Man Himself:
Jesus told him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."
 
2013-04-13 06:42:49 PM
If he was depicted as a 30 year old man who still lived with his mom, would Farkers embrace him as a brother?
 
2013-04-13 06:45:36 PM

RaoulDeWondernewt: From the Man Himself:
Jesus told him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-04-13 06:45:42 PM

LDM90: If he was depicted as a 30 year old man who still lived with his mom, would Farkers embrace him as a brother?


Only his beard was primarily located on his neck and he turned water into Mountain Dew.
 
2013-04-13 06:47:45 PM

LDM90: If he was depicted as a 30 year old man who still lived with his mom, would Farkers embrace him as a brother?


Sounds pretty Jewish to me.

Or Italian.
 
2013-04-13 06:48:06 PM

FunkOut: LDM90: If he was depicted as a 30 year old man who still lived with his mom, would Farkers embrace him as a brother?

Only his beard was primarily located on his neck and he turned water into Mountain Dew.


Did he die to save us from bad DMs?
 
2013-04-13 06:52:55 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: FunkOut: LDM90: If he was depicted as a 30 year old man who still lived with his mom, would Farkers embrace him as a brother?

Only his beard was primarily located on his neck and he turned water into Mountain Dew.

Did he die to save us from bad DMs?


he took one game, cracked the DRM and transferred it to millions.
 
2013-04-13 06:53:06 PM
Thank Allah the artist didn't choose a 'realistic' depiction of Muhammad (PBUH), otherwise the artist would be a smoking stain on the sidewalk.
 
2013-04-13 06:54:16 PM

Galileo's Daughter: RaoulDeWondernewt: From the Man Himself:
Jesus told him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."

Came for this, leaving satisfied.


Ditto. Scripture pwned.
 
2013-04-13 06:54:33 PM
Jesus was homeless.

Matthew 8:19-20
19
And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
20And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
 
2013-04-13 06:56:07 PM

super_grass: Thank Allah the artist didn't choose a 'realistic' depiction of Muhammad (PBUH), otherwise the artist would be a smoking stain on the sidewalk.


Do you bigots have to infiltrate EVERY topic? Don't you have a klan rally to be at?
 
2013-04-13 06:57:29 PM

cptjeff: super_grass: Thank Allah the artist didn't choose a 'realistic' depiction of Muhammad (PBUH), otherwise the artist would be a smoking stain on the sidewalk.

Do you bigots have to infiltrate EVERY topic? Don't you have a klan rally to be at?


Besides, the Prophet Muhammed was sharp dressed guy. And he had cats. You'd have this guy in nice silk robes with really nice armchair, a cup of coffee, and a cat. But he would be invisible. But you could draw the robes and hat in.
 
2013-04-13 06:58:10 PM
Looks like a weary Dementor to me.
 
2013-04-13 07:00:04 PM
The guy was born homeless and the Fundies have been trying to rewrite history ever since.
 
2013-04-13 07:01:15 PM
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
 
2013-04-13 07:03:53 PM
I'm no biblical scholar, but I did stay at a Manger Express last night.
 
2013-04-13 07:08:37 PM

buzzcut73: Tigger: Wasn't being a poor outcast the whole point of Jesus?

It was when I went to Sunday school. I've long since recovered from religion, but have to wonder what the hell Bible people have been reading in the past couple of decades. Did they take out all of the stuff about loving your neighbor, blessed be the poor, and healing the sick?


Yes. Generally, the aim is to cut all instances of liberal bias in the Bible.

The linked site is not satire.
 
2013-04-13 07:10:23 PM

Shadi: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'


Modern evangelicals interpret that to refer only to unborn babies. Anything else is liberal bias.
 
2013-04-13 07:10:45 PM
Awesome sculpture. I would love to have it.
 
2013-04-13 07:11:38 PM
To be fair it isn't like the guy slept on bus stop benches back then. They should have had him laying on the ground next to a building or under a tree somewhere.
 
2013-04-13 07:13:03 PM
Not all embrace this interpretation, as Bryan Stallings and his wife Amy discovered. They run a mission in Branson, Mo., called Jesus Was Homeless.... They've been criticized for the mission's name.
"People who have issue with it are usually the staunch religious people," says Stallings, "especially those who follow prosperity teaching and doctrine that says if you are homeless or poor you don't have enough faith."



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Shadi: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'


This is one of those times it's a pity I can only click the 'smart' button one time.
 
2013-04-13 07:13:25 PM

cptjeff: super_grass: Thank Allah the artist didn't choose a 'realistic' depiction of Muhammad (PBUH), otherwise the artist would be a smoking stain on the sidewalk.

Do you bigots have to infiltrate EVERY topic? Don't you have a klan rally to be at?


bigotry = power + discrimination

Religious institutions have power, therefore it is impossible to be bigoted towards them.
 
2013-04-13 07:13:40 PM
Jesus may not have been poor, but he definitely had a quality far worse in the eyes of many, he always sided with the poor, sick and otherwise needy and saw them as equally moral to those who weren't poor, and never put blame upon the needy for their condition. And he didn't exactly like what many of those with money were doing or how they made money.
 
2013-04-13 07:13:48 PM
 
2013-04-13 07:14:24 PM

sheep snorter: Homeless ben franklin laughs at your distaste of the homeless jesus.

[i.imgur.com image 601x383]

I thought ben franklin was white. But seems he is some type of copper color. Well back to study up in the whitewash history book I guess.


There's a bible belt, predominately white and very ethnocentric city in Michigan that has this same statue.  I thought they were trying to make him look gangsta but now I understand it -- the Declaration of Independence doesn't belong to non-white statues.  Now it look likes he's dropping rhymes.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-13 07:15:08 PM
And the sculptor is just GIVING it away? Oh no? Yeah that price tag might have more to do with why it was rejected than the content of it. And a sculptor that is surprised that the first two people he tried to sell a sculpture to refused to buy? Welcome to the art industry, now you'll just have to try selling it to a thousand more people before you'll find a sucker I mean client.
 
2013-04-13 07:15:42 PM
At Emmanuel College, the educational arm of the United Church where Reynolds teaches, there is a graceful sculpture showing Jesus' suffering in a crucified woman.

Wat?
 
2013-04-13 07:18:44 PM

Sass-O-Rev: Awesome sculpture. I would love to have it.


Agreed. It *is* pretty cool.

fta: "Homeless Jesus had no home," says the artist,Timothy Schmalz, who specializes in religious sculpture. "How ironic."

[ilol'd]

Now the sculpture stands near Wellesley St. W., outside Regis College at the University of Toronto. It's a Jesuit school of theology, where priests and lay people are trained, with an emphasis on social justice.

As an atheist/recovering Catholic I gotta say the Jesuits have always impressed me as being one religious outfit that "gets" the teachings of Jesus better than many of the others.
 
2013-04-13 07:18:47 PM

detritus: sheep snorter: Homeless ben franklin laughs at your distaste of the homeless jesus.

[i.imgur.com image 601x383]

I thought ben franklin was white. But seems he is some type of copper color. Well back to study up in the whitewash history book I guess.

There's a bible belt, predominately white and very ethnocentric city in Michigan that has this same statue.  I thought they were trying to make him look gangsta but now I understand it -- the Declaration of Independence doesn't belong to non-white statues.  Now it look likes he's dropping rhymes.

[i.imgur.com image 522x390]


And the glasses, the coat, the vest, the cane, the shoes? Totally pimpin'. His hair is all rock star.
 
2013-04-13 07:19:06 PM
What do biblical scholars know about Christ anyways?

'I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' 40And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

RaoulDeWondernewt: From the Man Himself:
Jesus told him, "Foxes have dens and birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head."


And this.

Gethsemane. It's where you go to sweat buckets of blood and anguish over the sacrifices you make due to your faith.

Or you can go to Sunday School.

/"My burden is light" is Jesus' trolling
 
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