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2013-04-13 04:46:41 PM  
Impressive truck for a poser.  If you buy a pickup truck you can't throw a 4x8 sheet of plywood into, you don't really need a truck.
 
2013-04-13 05:29:19 PM  
I've got an 09 Ranger with a 4cyl engine and it gets nearly as good gas milage as my hyundai accent in real life usage. farking love it. I hate huge cock replacement vehicles.

Plus when I was shopping for it, I found the perfect one for me.. no electric windows(farking hate them) or other extraneous useless bullshiat that's just going to break in the long term. Vinyl tolex like flooring and headliner(no cloth inside). shiatty radio(which I was replacing anyway). But it still had cruise control. It's the ultimate "you can get this interior as dirty as you want, and then spray it out with a hose" setup.

Plywood? fark plywood. I bought a truck because I moved 3 times in a shiatty 2 year span, and got tired of borrowing trucks, and I don't have kids to cart around, so who gives a shiat about lack of seating.
 
2013-04-13 05:33:35 PM  
If Chevy still made the S-10, I wouldn't be planning to buy a Tacoma.
 
2013-04-13 05:44:17 PM  

neongoats: Plywood? fark plywood. I bought a truck because I moved 3 times in a shiatty 2 year span


You're a moron for buying something you needed 3 days in 2 years.
 
2013-04-13 05:54:40 PM  
I don't like the look of Ford's, or any truck manufacturer these days.  Too rounded.  Bring back the Hilux's classic box shape.
 
2013-04-13 06:01:19 PM  
I have had two rangers in the past and loved them both. Once Ford discontinued them, I stopped looking at trucks. I won't pay for an F150. I'll never need that kind of truck. And I won't go buy something from GM or Toyota just because.

I have since downsized to a Mazda 2. The fuel mileage and the fold down seats accommodate my lifestyle. That being said, if they brought the Ranger back, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It's got good enough fuel economy to be a daily driver for work, but also gives me the benefits of 4WD when the snow storms come, and allows me to haul lumber for woodworking projects, or my bike if I wanna go ride some trails that are a ways down the road.

I miss my last Ranger. It was a good little pickup.
 
2013-04-13 06:25:24 PM  

jaytkay: neongoats: Plywood? fark plywood. I bought a truck because I moved 3 times in a shiatty 2 year span

You're a moron for buying something you needed 3 days in 2 years.


How is that? Am I required to drive a car instead of a truck to not be a moron?

Yeah, those 3 days are the only time I'll use it. It's my daily driver and gets nearly 30mpg city. Sure, that's not Geo Metro, electric car levels of efficient, but its still decent.

So you can eat a bag of dicks. Hopefully choke on them.
 
2013-04-13 06:27:31 PM  
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2013-04-13 06:31:05 PM  

Sgygus: Impressive truck for a poser.  If you buy a pickup truck you can't throw a 4x8 sheet of plywood into, you don't really need a truck.


I can put a 4x8 in my ranger.   Not sure what you mean by that... you thinking of another truck?
 
2013-04-13 06:38:00 PM  
Most Impressive Truck I can't have...yet:
www.flixya.com
But will it take a 4x8 sheet of plywood?
 
2013-04-13 06:42:39 PM  

Sgygus: Impressive truck for a poser.  If you buy a pickup truck you can't throw a 4x8 sheet of plywood into, you don't really need a truck.


That sentence could have been a cogent, memorable aphorism.  Too bad you didn't preview it.
 
2013-04-13 06:43:59 PM  

Johnson: Most Impressive Truck I can't have...yet:
[www.flixya.com image 500x333]
But will it take a 4x8 sheet of plywood?


pffft... more like

www.multisports.com
 
2013-04-13 06:46:35 PM  
I know at least four other guys who were anticipating buying the Mahrinda small turbodiesel pickup that was going to hit the US.  Before that whole distributor mess turned ugly.

Used Tacomas and Frontiers are *insanely* priced around here.  Trucks with 150k miles are going for 65%-70% of new.  The SUV versions (4Runner/Pathy) are actually much cheaper used if towing is a primary reason you want a truck.
 
2013-04-13 07:15:10 PM  

xiola: Sgygus: Impressive truck for a poser.  If you buy a pickup truck you can't throw a 4x8 sheet of plywood into, you don't really need a truck.

I can put a 4x8 in my ranger.   Not sure what you mean by that... you thinking of another truck?


i don't think the suv in the pic can carry a 4'x8' plywood
 
2013-04-13 07:32:53 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-13 08:02:23 PM  
You don't need a truck to carry plywood...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-13 08:10:03 PM  
The most impressive truck that you can't have is the Toyota Hilux diesel extended cab, if you ask me.
 
2013-04-13 08:38:59 PM  
Meh pickups are great for hauling plywood if your building a doll house (i cut twice then measure), but if your a real man with a small penis like me they are for:

c3.cduniverse.ws
 
2013-04-13 08:41:15 PM  
The T6 Ranger is a joint project with Mazda and not built in North America, importing it would subject Ford to a fairly nasty tariff.  Bringing the Ranger to market in America either means retooling a factory and cutting a deal with Mazda for rights to build it in America in a Ford plant or importing it and putting a tariff markup on each unit.

Light truck sales have been declining, which is one of the reasons the Colorado was neglected for awhile, so Ford has likely figured out that:

Even though X > Y...

Profit from selling Y F150s with the Ecoboost engine option > (Profit from Selling X Rangers - Cost to Get the Ranger to North America dealers).

Plus Ford has a lot of time and money invested in convincing people that EcoBoost makes things more affordable and bringing out the Ranger undercuts the credibility of the EcoBoost option on the F150.  Ford is in spot where it is hard to win the Ranger.  If you bring it to preempt the Colorado, you just compete with a product you make (the EcoBoost F150).  If you don't bring in the Ranger and the Colorado has amazing sales, you missed the boat because everyone who wants an American pickup already has a Colorado.  Ford's pretty clearly going with the "Ecoboost solves everything" line, so I can't imagine seeing the Ranger terribly soon.

Ex:  http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2013_F150_EcoBoost.pdf


/if anything look for Fiat to start heavily pushing a Dodge badged Fiat Strada in America
//Ford likely had valid reasons for cancelling the F100
 
2013-04-13 08:41:53 PM  
Word up to the plywood in the minivan. Honda Odyssey for the win on haulin plywood.
 
2013-04-13 08:46:46 PM  
By the way, on the plywood argument in a small pickup argument.

Step 1:  find the money you saved by not buying a full sized pickup, send Thule ~600 bucks for a truck rack (you likely can go cheaper)
Step 2:  Buy rope or some other form of tie down device.
Step 3:  Attach rack to the truck bed.
Step 4:  Purchase plywood, tie it down firmly
Step 5:  Drive home at a reasonable rate of speed
Step 6:  Remove truck rack.
 
2013-04-13 09:19:19 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Ford is in spot where it is hard to win the Ranger.


I think you're right. Ford has been moving steadily towards higher average transaction prices (ATPs), no longer chasing sales numbers with lots of cash on the hood.  As a Ford vehicle owner and shareholder, I have no issue with this.

Now, that being said, I'd love to see an even smaller unibody pickup on the Transit Connect (Focus) or Fiesta platforms, with a much wider gap between that and the F-series.  In other words, do what Honda tried to do, but do it better.  Though like you said, I'm sure Ford's done the market research and trade studies to see whether it's worth it here.

I have a feeling the rumored 700-pound weight reduction target for the next-gen F-150, combined with next-generation NA and EcoBoost powerplants, will lead to better fuel economy in the light duty segment anyway.  Seeing what GM and Ram are bringing to the table already with DOD and 8-speed transmissions, the next few years should be very interesting in the truck world!

Now, the S550 Mustang...Ford really better not screw that one up!

/Unapologetic Ford fan
//Drive one!
///We drive three, soon to be five!
 
2013-04-13 10:04:03 PM  

MadManMoon: I have a feeling the rumored 700-pound weight reduction target for the next-gen F-150, combined with next-generation NA and EcoBoost powerplants, will lead to better fuel economy in the light duty segment anyway.


Do you have numbers for Ford's current EcoBoost fuel economy? I looked up both the Ford F-150 and Toyota Tacoma, the Ford gets 17/23 and the Toyota gets 21/25. I dunno if those are Ecoboost #s, it's not very clear. Thanks!
 
2013-04-13 10:18:34 PM  

StopLurkListen: Do you have numbers for Ford's current EcoBoost fuel economy? I looked up both the Ford F-150 and Toyota Tacoma, the Ford gets 17/23 and the Toyota gets 21/25. I dunno if those are Ecoboost #s, it's not very clear. Thanks!


Per fueleconomy.gov, the 3.5L EcoBoost (4WD) is 15mpg city, 21mpg highway, 17mpg combined (it's 16mpg city, 22mpg highway, and 18mpg combined for the 2WD EcoBoost).  My wife has a 2011 F-150 4X4 SuperCrew with long bed and Max Tow Package (3.73 rear axle), and we have a lifetime 18.5mpg on the truck.  About once a month she tows a fully loaded horse trailer all over the mid-Atlantic area, where she usually averages 11-12mpg.  We easily beat the 21mpg highway rating on long-distance drives at <70mph.

For the base 3.7L V6 (2WD), the rating is 17mpg city, 23mpg highway, 19mpg combined.
 
2013-04-13 10:22:11 PM  
I have an F250.  I don't really need it, but I bought because I wanted it.  And it's a great truck.

/I like that I can buy things just because I want them.
 
2013-04-13 10:27:04 PM  
What the f*ck is that.   

I expected a mini f-150; that looks like... I don't even know how to properly describe that, except stupid.
 
2013-04-13 10:43:54 PM  

jaytkay: neongoats: Plywood? fark plywood. I bought a truck because I moved 3 times in a shiatty 2 year span

You're a moron for buying something you needed 3 days in 2 years.


Have you hauled plywood more than 3 times in the last 2 years?
 
2013-04-13 10:44:19 PM  
ha-ha-guy: The T6 Ranger is a joint project with Mazda and not built in North America, importing it would subject Ford to a fairly nasty tariff.  Bringing the Ranger to market in America either means retooling a factory and cutting a deal with Mazda for rights to build it in America in a Ford plant or importing it and putting a tariff markup on each unit.

Ding ding ding!

The chicken tax is what is preventing Ford from reviving the Ranger.  The 25% tariff on imported light trucks would absolutely destroy any margin on it.  They would have to produce it in the US or use the NAFTA route by assembling it in Mexico.  I'd say they are more likely to release a smaller variant of the F150 and revive the F100 badge for it.

I would love to see the Ranger return, just without the P.O.S. Cologne V6.  A Ranger with a 4-cyl diesel would be amazing.
 
2013-04-13 11:02:01 PM  
FTA:

So far management has stuck to their guns and the Ranger is only available overseas, but I strongly believe Ford will change that - maybe as soon as this year.

...

I then expect Ford to hastily set up a press release stating plans to bring the Ranger back to the U.S. market - maybe as soon as next year.

This guy doesn't even know what he believes.
 
2013-04-13 11:06:42 PM  
Given that it's Ford, they'll give it the Eurotrash treatment - like the rest of their lineup.  However, you can get it in a variety of countries and it looks the same in all of them.

/EcoBoost is just another way to cheat people out of the cylinders they really wanted.
//Let it DIAF and the remains be nuked from orbit as a warning to not try again.
///Friends don't let friends swap cylinders for forced air.
 
2013-04-13 11:14:32 PM  

wingnut396: You don't need a truck to carry plywood...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x569]


Unless that's a Chrysler, which I highly doubt given the third-worldly looking front console, it's going to have trouble.

Propain_az: I have an F250.  I don't really need it, but I bought because I wanted it.  And it's a great truck.


Has it received the Eurotrash treatment like nearly everything else at Ford, including the F-150?   About everything during the Mulally era has changed to Third World shiatboxes that don't have any real American qualities to them.
 
2013-04-13 11:14:40 PM  
Since I can't get a Hilux on this side of the pond, a 4 cyl, 5 speed Tacoma is the best you can get.

Plenty of horses/torque (I've had 1500 in the bed, towed almost 4000, and pulled out my old boss' 4x4 Tahoe from sugar sand up to the frame more times than I'd care to admit), no problem accelerating to speed on onramps, and excellent daily-use MPG ( I can get 27-30 hwy if I watch my speed. I typically get 25-27 since I drive 75MPH a lot).

Excellent resale, excellent crash ratings. Cab is comfy for a work truck, suspension stiff and capable off-road. If HAVE to list something 'bad', it would be cab noise in the rain and a light ass-end, even for a pickup. I think this might have to do with the manual transmission and really nice power for a 4-banger....she'll hop or slide out easy if you don't know how to drive.
 
2013-04-13 11:29:12 PM  

sethstorm: wingnut396: You don't need a truck to carry plywood...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x569]

Unless that's a Chrysler, which I highly doubt given the third-worldly looking front console, it's going to have trouble.

Propain_az: I have an F250.  I don't really need it, but I bought because I wanted it.  And it's a great truck.

Has it received the Eurotrash treatment like nearly everything else at Ford, including the F-150?   About everything during the Mulally era has changed to Third World shiatboxes that don't have any real American qualities to them.


Its a Kia Sedona.  Not my picture, but I have just that thing numerous times since I've owned it.  The only trouble is taking out the middle seats before I go to the lumber store.  Of course I don't usually pickup 4x8 sheets material as an impulse buy, so its not a whole lot of trouble to be sure.
 
2013-04-14 12:18:58 AM  
Best truck:
jannigogo.com
 
2013-04-14 12:52:30 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Best truck:
[jannigogo.com image 600x372]


Is there a Hi-Lux parked behind one of those shiat-boxes?
 
2013-04-14 01:15:26 AM  
If you're worried about being able to haul a piece of plywood once a year, why not get a 5x8 trailer that you can hitch up those few times when you need it.  Thousand bucks or less.
 
2013-04-14 01:24:53 AM  
The reason there is no Ranger in the US is that there really isn't any market for it.

The Ford F150 starts at $23,955.  A revived Ranger probably wouldn't start at much below $20,000, given what people would expect from it capability-wise.  And because of those capabilities, it probably wouldn't get significantly better fuel economy than the F150.  That would result in significant overlap between mid to high end Rangers and low to mid end F150's, with people mostly siding with the more capable F150.

The Ranger works outside of North America because they are more sensitive to physical vehicle size than we are.  The fact that it is a capable yet small pickup truck is a major selling point when a half-ton pickup would be unwieldy.  For the vast majority of car buyers in the US and Canada the actual size of the automobile you're buying just doesn't matter.  Rarely ever would buyers go with a smaller vehicle because of the fact it's smaller unless you're in a place like San Francisco or New York.  When your buyers are going to ignore a major selling point of the vehicle, it's not the right product to bring to market.
 
2013-04-14 01:33:23 AM  
Still no cure for a lack of the small trucks.  The B2000, the LUV and so forth.
 
2013-04-14 01:59:21 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Still no cure for a lack of the small trucks.  The B2000, the LUV and so forth.


I am surprised with gas being high that small trucks have not made a come back.  I miss the ones a used to have, a Datsun pick up and a Jeep Comanche. Fun to drive and I could still move my stuff.
 
2013-04-14 02:01:34 AM  

Kyosuke: Have you hauled plywood more than 3 times in the last 2 years?


Yes.
 
2013-04-14 02:13:33 AM  
Only if they actually downsize them.  The Tacoma and Frontier are still too big for me to consider.  Had a 1991 Ranger and that was perfect size.

US car companies are run by some of the dumbest muthafarkers on the planet
 
2013-04-14 05:11:30 AM  

neongoats: Johnson: Most Impressive Truck I can't have...yet:
[www.flixya.com image 500x333]
But will it take a 4x8 sheet of plywood?

pffft... more like


www.bargainbinreview.com
 
2013-04-14 06:32:21 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Only if they actually downsize them.  The Tacoma and Frontier are still too big for me to consider.  Had a 1991 Ranger and that was perfect size.

US car companies are run by some of the dumbest muthafarkers on the planet


did your 91 ranger do okay with plywood?
 
2013-04-14 06:45:29 AM  
I owned one Ranger, worse experience I ever had. The engine was under powered (3.0L, wasn't paying $4k for that extra Liter) and the transmission had 3 TSB's that needed to be fixed when the transmission forgot it had a 2nd gear after 40k (and after the warranty too). At 60k I couldn't keep up with the 80mph traffic on the interstate without flooring it while on vacation. At 107k the transmission cracked in half, sold it as is and never looked back. I bought another daily driver and a real truck for the weekend hauling/fun stuff.

Anyone who owns a Ranger and points out others who own real trucks have epenis issues are just self-loathing and trying to justify otherwise.

//drives a Jeep Cherokee nowadays
 
2013-04-14 07:19:08 AM  

RabidJade: I owned one Ranger, worse experience I ever had. The engine was under powered (3.0L, wasn't paying $4k for that extra Liter) and the transmission had 3 TSB's that needed to be fixed when the transmission forgot it had a 2nd gear after 40k (and after the warranty too). At 60k I couldn't keep up with the 80mph traffic on the interstate without flooring it while on vacation. At 107k the transmission cracked in half, sold it as is and never looked back. I bought another daily driver and a real truck for the weekend hauling/fun stuff.


I've got a 96' B3000 (which has an identical drivetrain to the Ranger) with a V6. None of those light pickups are really sporty in the sense of high top speed or quick acceleration. In your particular case, it sounds like you paid for an underpowered engine and got exactly that. Your engine was smaller, yet because it's in a truck they likely give you a higher axle gearing ratio so as to not sacrifice towing capacity, and a higher gear ratio can majorly depress your top-end speeds without sufficient horsepower. It also sounds like you were driving it way wrong, which probably explains why you had so many mechanical problems with it.

I know in my truck I don't like to push it past 55-60mph, at this point the RPMs shoot up and the engine really starts to whine. That's because my truck isn't really designed to do more than that, and I don't ask it to. We're just getting up to 100K miles on this 17 year old truck and it's just had it's first mechanical problem ever (a coolant valve is leaking).
 
2013-04-14 08:09:44 AM  
I had an '02 Ranger - I can't complain.  It did everything I expected from a truck with no real problems.

I was renovating a house at the time, so I needed to haul stuff but I felt like a small truck was all I needed.  I had the bed that looked like this:
carphotos.cardomain.com

When I needed to haul drywall or plywood home - I had a few 2x4s and (for dry wall) a sheet of 4x8 plywood.  So I'd spend 5-10 minutes setting it up and I could lay the drywall down flat without any trouble.

It was a good little truck, though, like others have mentioned, I didn't like going past 60-65mph in it.
 
2013-04-14 08:22:12 AM  

MadManMoon: I'd love to see an even smaller unibody pickup on the Transit Connect (Focus) or Fiesta platforms, with a much wider gap between that and the F-series.


Better not have the problem transmission that's in my 2012 Ford Focus.  Ford has admitted they don't know how to fix it.
 
2013-04-14 09:04:48 AM  
Haul plywood once or twice a year? Just rent a damn truck from Home Destruct or Lowes for $20-40. Problem solved.

/would like a used Toyota Tacoma or Chevy Colorado with decent miles and 5-speed
//am a poor
 
2013-04-14 11:34:50 AM  
My dads '84 ranger had a long bed on it - could easily swallow 4x8's even with the toolboxes on the sides.  It was a pretty decent truck, red vinyl seats would literally burn your thighs in the summer though.  He got rid of his 94ish (he got it used in 2000) about two years ago because it was simply getting to unreliable.  Now that he's no longer in the trades (carpenter) he has a subaru outback which he uses to haul around his kayak and fishing gear (for the guy above, you could easily tie a 4x8 sheet of plywood to the roof rails).

I had to drive a mid 2000's 4 cyl AT ranger for work at one point in my life.  That thing was terrible, put more than a few hundred lbs in it and the transmission couldn't maintain 70 mph in top gear.
 
2013-04-14 12:43:18 PM  

Ethertap: I had to drive a mid 2000's 4 cyl AT ranger for work at one point in my life.  That thing was terrible, put more than a few hundred lbs in it and the transmission couldn't maintain 70 mph in top gear.


Yes, the automatic transmissions were absolutely junk in those things, especially when mated to the 4 cylinder engines.  The 4 cylinders, both the old Pinto I-4 and new Duratec I-4 are quite capable engines when you have the manual transmission, but you do have to shift a good bit to keep it in their power range. The same cannot be said of the 2.9L Cologne V6 which was just an awful piece of junk and the 3.0L Vulcan V6 never should have been put in a truck.  The standard 4.0L Cologne V6 was pretty good if thirsty, but the high-output SOHC variant was an engineering disaster to be avoided at all costs.  Three timing chains, with the one hidden behind the engine and prone to lubrication failure!
 
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