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2013-04-13 09:35:56 AM
FTA:  [Hansen]  said he wanted to transfer what [his mother] taught him about personal responsibility and ethics and apply it to NBA ownership.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-13 09:39:35 AM
Admission to the team's games will be a six pack and a box of condoms.
 
2013-04-13 09:41:34 AM

Infobahn: Admission to the team's games will be a six pack and a box of condoms.


that better not be a six pack of beer.  you need a sixer of zima or a four pack of wine coolers.  the young chicks hate beer.
 
2013-04-13 09:47:38 AM
FTFA: In the interview, Hansen said had been deeply influenced by his mother, who also was a social worker for Catholic Community Services and the Children's Home Society. He said he wanted to transfer what she taught him about personal responsibility and ethics and apply it to NBA ownership...

How does he expect to win games when his whole team will be suspended every week?
 
2013-04-13 09:54:18 AM

A Fark Handle: Infobahn: Admission to the team's games will be a six pack and a box of condoms.

that better not be a six pack of beer.  you need a sixer of zima or a four pack of wine coolers.  the young chicks hate beer.


And a plate of cookies.
 
2013-04-13 10:05:43 AM
I heard they'll serve sweet tea and bring rod Strickland on road trips to Utah.
 
2013-04-13 10:33:21 AM
"While he acknowledged that an arena can't be a burden on taxpayers, the package is expected to include a combination of private money and tax revenues spun from the facility."

How about hedge-fund man gets that public teat outta his mouth?
 
2013-04-13 10:33:57 AM
So his mom was a no good thieving team mover like those OK Thunder bastards?
 
2013-04-13 10:49:33 AM
I'm going to hit the other side of this proposal- I'd love to see an NHL team in Seattle.  I'm sure the NHL was already thinking this when they created the new divisions with two more spots out west.
 
2013-04-13 11:01:23 AM
For some reason we can't get NHL to notice us, despite TWO minor league hockey teams that regularly draw 7,000 - 8,000 and have rowdy dedicated fan bases.

The NBA messed up the Northwest. When we had Vancouver BC they played in a different division than Seattle and Portland. Who cared about the Grizzlies in the Midwest Division? Chicago and Detroit had their rivalries, the Grizz were just the guaranteed win for both.

The Northwest has deep rivalries in every sport we have games against each other, Pac-12 football and basketball, Western League Hockey, MLS. Any time you get an Oregon team playing a Washington State team is nearly a riot, and I don't have to remind you how Vancouver feels about its hockey team. We want NHL in Portland and Seattle, and it would do great. MLS does great here because the 3 cities love the rivalries against each other. Think NFL Chicago/Green Bay/Minnesota, or NY Giants/Washington/Dallas. Thats what the Northwest is like in terms of local interest in rivalry games... but the NBA has zero eff's to give and always has hated us for some reason. He's a weaseley New York lawyer with a track record of smarm.

The NBA doesn't get Northwest and never will, Stern is playing us yet again and is only using Seattle as a bargain chip to drive up the price for Sacramento to get its new stadium. I want the NBA back, but I think Stern will have to die for that to happen. Which I'm on board with after he helped that sleazy energy company phony Clay Bennett escort the Sonics out of town, yet has bent over backwards to keep the Kings in Sac-town.
 
2013-04-13 11:17:19 AM
This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.
 
2013-04-13 11:38:45 AM

IntertubeUser: This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.


The Mariners don't draw because they stink, and have been smelling up the place for 10 years. Attendance for the Sonics was never an issue, it was all about the suckass arena the previous owner got the city to build for him that was outdated the day they opened it..

/Has tickets for tonights game.
// GO MARINERS!
 
2013-04-13 11:47:23 AM

IntertubeUser: This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.


The Mariners are 10 years into crappy front office decisions and comedically bad talent evaluation.

Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

Huskies football, Seahawks, Sounders. Sonics back when they won, back before the out of town carpetbagger bought them and gutted the team, obviously planning for a get out of dodge move.

MFAWG: Was at thursday night. Now we got no defense either.
 
2013-04-13 11:52:37 AM
Other places steal teams from Seattle? Well those places are evil and have bad culture and no morals.

Seattle steals team from other place? Well thats just good business sense and the other place deserved to lose the team.
 
2013-04-13 11:52:49 AM

MFAWG: IntertubeUser: This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.

The Mariners don't draw because they stink, and have been smelling up the place for 10 years. Attendance for the Sonics was never an issue, it was all about the suckass arena the previous owner got the city to build for him that was outdated the day they opened it..

/Has tickets for tonights game.
// GO MARINERS!


In many other parts of the country, folks will still pack the arenas and stadiums for bad teams.  I'm a Saints fan and, those "Bagheads"...they bought tickets to wear a bag to the game.  Seattle doesn't seem like the type to support a loser.

So what happens to attendance in 2016 or so, after the reborn-Sonics have been really bad for a few years in a row?  This current Kings team sucks out loud and it will take several offseasons for them to even approach mediocrity (if they can at all).
 
2013-04-13 11:56:23 AM

mikaloyd: Other places steal teams from Seattle Baltimore? Well those places are evil and have bad culture and no morals.

Seattle Baltimore steals team from other place? Well thats just good business sense and the other place deserved to lose the team.


FTFY.
 
2013-04-13 11:57:38 AM

Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.


To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?
 
2013-04-13 12:00:48 PM

Generation_D: IntertubeUser: This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.

The Mariners are 10 years into crappy front office decisions and comedically bad talent evaluation.

Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

Huskies football, Seahawks, Sounders. Sonics back when they won, back before the out of town carpetbagger bought them and gutted the team, obviously planning for a get out of dodge move.

MFAWG: Was at thursday night. Now we got no defense either.


Was at Wednesday, and I thought they should have called boarding on the Saunders hit. (happened right in front of me. You can see me sit down as soon as he hits the fence, LOL)
 
2013-04-13 12:08:06 PM
Generation_D For some reason we can't get NHL to notice us, despite TWO minor league hockey teams that regularly draw 7,000 - 8,000 and have rowdy dedicated fan bases.

You forgot first American City to win Stanley Cup AND have a cancelled Cup Series
http://www.seattlehockey.net/Seattle_Hockey_Homepage/Metropolitans.h tm l
 
2013-04-13 12:27:49 PM

Beemer: "While he acknowledged that an arena can't be a burden on taxpayers, the package is expected to include a combination of private money and tax revenues spun from the facility."

How about hedge-fund man gets that public teat outta his mouth?


WTF are you talking about?  Both options you quote show that no extra taxes outside the actual user-base of the arena will be affected.  Hanson and his investors are picking up about 99% of the bill.  The only "public" money is coming from extra taxes on parking and tickets from the people that actually go to see games, nobody else in the surrounding areas.

The only problem now, although it seems slim because the frivolous lawsuit was dropped yesterday, was paying off the corrupt unions to stfu and go away.

Oh and uh....article is a year old.  You SUCK.
 
2013-04-13 12:43:36 PM

Generation_D: For some reason we can't get NHL to notice us, despite TWO minor league hockey teams that regularly draw 7,000 - 8,000 and have rowdy dedicated fan bases.

The NBA messed up the Northwest. When we had Vancouver BC they played in a different division than Seattle and Portland. Who cared about the Grizzlies in the Midwest Division? Chicago and Detroit had their rivalries, the Grizz were just the guaranteed win for both.

The Northwest has deep rivalries in every sport we have games against each other, Pac-12 football and basketball, Western League Hockey, MLS. Any time you get an Oregon team playing a Washington State team is nearly a riot, and I don't have to remind you how Vancouver feels about its hockey team. We want NHL in Portland and Seattle, and it would do great. MLS does great here because the 3 cities love the rivalries against each other. Think NFL Chicago/Green Bay/Minnesota, or NY Giants/Washington/Dallas. Thats what the Northwest is like in terms of local interest in rivalry games... but the NBA has zero eff's to give and always has hated us for some reason. He's a weaseley New York lawyer with a track record of smarm.

The NBA doesn't get Northwest and never will, Stern is playing us yet again and is only using Seattle as a bargain chip to drive up the price for Sacramento to get its new stadium. I want the NBA back, but I think Stern will have to die for that to happen. Which I'm on board with after he helped that sleazy energy company phony Clay Bennett escort the Sonics out of town, yet has bent over backwards to keep the Kings in Sac-town.


Funny, the belief amongst many here is that Stern is really only paying lip service to the Sacramento efforts and would much rather have the team in Seattle, partly over "righting a wrong" from 2008.

I have not really paid much attention to the Kings for years now, rit after their contending window closed and it appeared that the Maloofs just didn't care anymore, so I guess I'm part of the problem, in a way. I'd hate to see them go, since there are so many devoted fans here and the negative impact it'd have on the area. But, there's more money in Seattle's offer, the economy is better, the owners probably like the city more, the Maloofs damn sure want to sell more to the Hansen group, seems logic points to them moving.
One fan base is happy, one is not. At least until the possibility of this Sacramento group turning thier efforts to grab some other city's team, which I've heard floated on the usual reliable forums like Internet chat rooms and talk radio, so you know it's legit.
 
2013-04-13 12:44:36 PM

IntertubeUser: Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?


I hate this argument.  Why should people support a team if they're terrible?  Youre giving the owner no incentive to improve.  if they come out when the team is mediocre, that should be enough.  if they're mediocre for too long, screw the team.  and if ownership threatens to leave b/c fans are not coming to see a perpetually terrible team, then screw them, they're more interested in taking advantage of public funds and making a profit than anything

sports teams are private businesses. theres a reponsibility on the owners to keep the interest of its customers.  its b/c of their size and ties with the community that they forget this.
 
2013-04-13 12:51:19 PM

mikaloyd: Other places steal teams from Seattle? Well those places are evil and have bad culture and no morals.

Seattle steals team from other place? Well thats just good business sense and the other place deserved to lose the team.


A whole lot of us blame the NBA in both cases: 1) allowing a phony to buy the Sonics, lying about his intention to keep team in town, when in fact it was not ever going to happen. Then 2) encouraging this sh*tty bidding war between Sac-Town and Seattle, when the obvious solution is get expansion team back up here, and put one in Vancouver BC (in same division this time) too.

Oh, and force the faker Thunder to pull down that "since 1967" bullsh*t on their banner. They are not since 1967. Unless you mean U of O football.
 
2013-04-13 12:52:14 PM

thisiszombocom: IntertubeUser: Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?

I hate this argument.  Why should people support a team if they're terrible?  Youre giving the owner no incentive to improve.  if they come out when the team is mediocre, that should be enough.  if they're mediocre for too long, screw the team.  and if ownership threatens to leave b/c fans are not coming to see a perpetually terrible team, then screw them, they're more interested in taking advantage of public funds and making a profit than anything

sports teams are private businesses. theres a reponsibility on the owners to keep the interest of its customers.  its b/c of their size and ties with the community that they forget this.


Look no further than the Chicago Cubs, sell out crowds for decades, and sucktitude for just as long if not longer.
 
2013-04-13 12:53:58 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Generation_D: For some reason we can't get NHL to notice us, despite TWO minor league hockey teams that regularly draw 7,000 - 8,000 and have rowdy dedicated fan bases.

The NBA messed up the Northwest. When we had Vancouver BC they played in a different division than Seattle and Portland. Who cared about the Grizzlies in the Midwest Division? Chicago and Detroit had their rivalries, the Grizz were just the guaranteed win for both.

The Northwest has deep rivalries in every sport we have games against each other, Pac-12 football and basketball, Western League Hockey, MLS. Any time you get an Oregon team playing a Washington State team is nearly a riot, and I don't have to remind you how Vancouver feels about its hockey team. We want NHL in Portland and Seattle, and it would do great. MLS does great here because the 3 cities love the rivalries against each other. Think NFL Chicago/Green Bay/Minnesota, or NY Giants/Washington/Dallas. Thats what the Northwest is like in terms of local interest in rivalry games... but the NBA has zero eff's to give and always has hated us for some reason. He's a weaseley New York lawyer with a track record of smarm.

The NBA doesn't get Northwest and never will, Stern is playing us yet again and is only using Seattle as a bargain chip to drive up the price for Sacramento to get its new stadium. I want the NBA back, but I think Stern will have to die for that to happen. Which I'm on board with after he helped that sleazy energy company phony Clay Bennett escort the Sonics out of town, yet has bent over backwards to keep the Kings in Sac-town.

Funny, the belief amongst many here is that Stern is really only paying lip service to the Sacramento efforts and would much rather have the team in Seattle, partly over "righting a wrong" from 2008.

I have not really paid much attention to the Kings for years now, rit after their contending window closed and it appeared that the Maloofs just didn't care anymore, so I guess I'm part of ...


Interesting. This whole thing has been a stupid clusterfark, fault of the NBA. Seattle never should have lost the Sonics, Oklahoma City should have been awarded New Orleans when they had them, and Memphis should have never moved from Vancouver. And the Kings belong in Sacramento.

Miserable little criminal and full on arrogant asswit Stern is to blame, as always.
 
2013-04-13 12:54:48 PM

thisiszombocom: IntertubeUser: Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?

I hate this argument.  Why should people support a team if they're terrible?  Youre giving the owner no incentive to improve.  if they come out when the team is mediocre, that should be enough.  if they're mediocre for too long, screw the team.  and if ownership threatens to leave b/c fans are not coming to see a perpetually terrible team, then screw them, they're more interested in taking advantage of public funds and making a profit than anything

sports teams are private businesses. theres a reponsibility on the owners to keep the interest of its customers.  its b/c of their size and ties with the community that they forget this.


You're absolutely right.  But hardcore sports fans don't think like this...being all rational and all.  They think emotionally (which is what this issue really is...emotions).  They refer to the team as their team, loyalty to their team above all else, and not supporting a crappy product is being disloyal or not being a true fan.

If the new Sonics suck for more than a couple of years, the tax payers are gonna get raped.
 
2013-04-13 01:21:16 PM

IntertubeUser: thisiszombocom: IntertubeUser: Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?

I hate this argument.  Why should people support a team if they're terrible?  Youre giving the owner no incentive to improve.  if they come out when the team is mediocre, that should be enough.  if they're mediocre for too long, screw the team.  and if ownership threatens to leave b/c fans are not coming to see a perpetually terrible team, then screw them, they're more interested in taking advantage of public funds and making a profit than anything

sports teams are private businesses. theres a reponsibility on the owners to keep the interest of its customers.  its b/c of their size and ties with the community that they forget this.

You're absolutely right.  But hardcore sports fans don't think like this...being all rational and all.  They think emotionally (which is what this issue really is...emotions).  They refer to the team as their team, loyalty to their team above all else, and not supporting a crappy product is being disloyal or not being a true fan.

If the new Sonics suck for more than a couple of years, the tax payers are gonna get raped.


Perception. People supported the Hawks through many 7-9's not too long ago, because the perception was they were trying to improve. Same with the Mariners up until about 2011. Even though the FO was inept and many in the sports blogging world saw it, the casual fan still saw new faces every year and thought it meant trying to win.

The Sounders will be a test. We're off to our worst year in existence so far this year, but attendance is still not wavering. Ownership is definitely committed to winning, it just hasn't worked out yet as planned (still early).

But as a regular attendee at quite a few events here, I will assert that over all people do show up for events here, but they want the team to give a crap. Sounders definitely give a crap. Hawks give a crap and are entertaining to watch. Mariners? Have been failing for over 10 years now. People have just so far had enough.

The honeymoon with the new Sonics would last at least 10 years; new arena plan:

img.gawkerassets.com

Scary vertigo as part of the experience is sure to make for an exciting night at the game. And thats just the fans.
 
2013-04-13 01:27:52 PM
Those top circles are being called "Sonic Rings." Architecture designed to enhance and encourage crowd noise. Building off the success of Centurylink Field, and before that the rain roof shields seen at nearly every outdoor stadium around the Northwest (but not often elsewhere in the country) .. Europe has them too. Why we get accused of amplified crowd noise all the time by out of towners is literally, our stadium is a big accoustic reflector. Most stadiums in the USA don't do this, but we've had rain shields on all our stadiums for decades here, its a known feature. Husky Stadium being the famous one, but everywhere has them on down to high school.

If this NBA thing gets done I can't wait, this stadium looks stupid fun to be at. Wall of noise. Like the old Key Arena was back in the 1990s, before the sh*thead carpetbaggers from OK bought and gutted the team, fired all the front office with local ties, and then people quit going.
 
2013-04-13 01:32:29 PM

FlyingJ: Generation_D For some reason we can't get NHL to notice us, despite TWO minor league hockey teams that regularly draw 7,000 - 8,000 and have rowdy dedicated fan bases.

You forgot first American City to win Stanley Cup AND have a cancelled Cup Series
http://www.seattlehockey.net/Seattle_Hockey_Homepage/Metropolitans.h tm l


Didn't forget them in the least. I hope if we get NHL we'd at least consider calling them the Metropolitans, except for the fact the dumbass east coast wouldn't get the reference at all.
 
2013-04-13 01:46:04 PM

MFAWG: IntertubeUser: This week, the Mariners had games which drew fewer than 11,000.

I like Seattle, but it's NOT a sports town...at least not like I've seen in other parts of the country.  I don't understand where this enthusiasm to bring the NBA and the NHL to Seattle comes from.  I suspect that once the Sonics are back, attendance for U. of Washington sports, as well as the Seahawks and Sounders, will decrease.  And I can't imagine the Mariners staying in Seattle to play in front of single-digit thousands.

The Mariners don't draw because they stink, and have been smelling up the place for 10 years. Attendance for the Sonics was never an issue, it was all about the suckass arena the previous owner got the city to build for him that was outdated the day they opened it..

/Has tickets for tonights game.
// GO MARINERS!


One of you gets it, the other one doesn't.

/No town supports a team that willingly and intentionally puts a shiat product on the field, all the while trying to polish a turd and serve it to you as exotic, high priced cuisine
//Sonics drew just fine until that coffee fark ruined the team
 
2013-04-13 02:13:40 PM
This here Seattleite couldn't care less about basketball.  I didn't when we had a team and I won't if we do again.

NHL on the other hand, absolutely.

/Seattle Metropolitans
 
2013-04-13 02:23:12 PM

El Brujo: This here Seattleite couldn't care less about basketball.  I didn't when we had a team and I won't if we do again.

NHL on the other hand, absolutely.

/Seattle Metropolitans


In 1924 The Seattle Metropolitans folded and the PCHA ceased to operate. In the last season the team had an average of 1000 fans per game in attendance.
 
2013-04-13 02:25:03 PM

Generation_D: Scary vertigo as part of the experience is sure to make for an exciting night at the game. And thats just the fans.


Gotta love them stealing Oregons color scheme
 
2013-04-13 02:59:41 PM

mikaloyd: El Brujo: This here Seattleite couldn't care less about basketball.  I didn't when we had a team and I won't if we do again.

NHL on the other hand, absolutely.

/Seattle Metropolitans

In 1924 The Seattle Metropolitans folded and the PCHA ceased to operate. In the last season the team had an average of 1000 fans per game in attendance.


I suspect a new NHL team in Seattle would average *slightly* better numbers than that.
 
2013-04-13 03:40:32 PM
Your Average Witty Fark User:
One of you gets it, the other one doesn't.

/No town supports a team that willingly and intentionally puts a shiat product on the field, all the while trying to polish a turd and serve it to you as exotic, high priced cuisine
//Sonics drew just fine until that coffee fark ruined the team


I'm calling bullshiat.  You need to get out and visit the rest of the country.  Throughout most of the franchise's history, the New Orleans Saints have been absolutely horrid.  But they continued to sell out games no matter what.  Somebody mentioned the Cubs up above.  Another example are some of the bad Celtics teams of the last decade or so.  New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland...THOSE are sports towns.  Seattle isn't like those places (for many different reasons), not the least of which is the lesser degree of widespread support for professional sports.
 
2013-04-13 04:16:11 PM

mikaloyd: Other places steal teams from Seattle? Well those places are evil and have bad culture and no morals.

Seattle steals team from other place? Well thats just good business sense and the other place deserved to lose the team.


Other cities do steal teams from Seattle, and the transition full of lies and back hand deals and broken promises.

Chris Hansen is upfront about his plans for the team and the reasons he is buying it.  Clay Bennett, Howard Schultz, and David stern were not uprfont about their plans for the SuperSonics.
 
2013-04-13 04:57:21 PM

Generation_D: IntertubeUser: thisiszombocom: IntertubeUser: Generation_D: Seattle IS a sports town, if you put a team on the field and compete.

To me, that's the definition of being a bandwagon town, NOT a sports town.

Again, what happens when the new Sonics have been bad for several consecutive seasons?

I hate this argument.  Why should people support a team if they're terrible?  Youre giving the owner no incentive to improve.  if they come out when the team is mediocre, that should be enough.  if they're mediocre for too long, screw the team.  and if ownership threatens to leave b/c fans are not coming to see a perpetually terrible team, then screw them, they're more interested in taking advantage of public funds and making a profit than anything

sports teams are private businesses. theres a reponsibility on the owners to keep the interest of its customers.  its b/c of their size and ties with the community that they forget this.

You're absolutely right.  But hardcore sports fans don't think like this...being all rational and all.  They think emotionally (which is what this issue really is...emotions).  They refer to the team as their team, loyalty to their team above all else, and not supporting a crappy product is being disloyal or not being a true fan.

If the new Sonics suck for more than a couple of years, the tax payers are gonna get raped.

Perception. People supported the Hawks through many 7-9's not too long ago, because the perception was they were trying to improve. Same with the Mariners up until about 2011. Even though the FO was inept and many in the sports blogging world saw it, the casual fan still saw new faces every year and thought it meant trying to win.

The Sounders will be a test. We're off to our worst year in existence so far this year, but attendance is still not wavering. Ownership is definitely committed to winning, it just hasn't worked out yet as planned (still early).

But as a regular attendee at quite a few events here, I will assert th ...


Do we really want to give people who doesn`t know how many minutes are in an NBA quarter an NBA franchise?
 
2013-04-13 06:42:24 PM

mikaloyd: Generation_D: Scary vertigo as part of the experience is sure to make for an exciting night at the game. And thats just the fans.

Gotta love them stealing Oregons color scheme


Sonics have had green and gold since 1967. So yeah, if you want to go back that far, they used green and gold. Oregon has so many colors I don't think they get to claim any 2 any more.
 
2013-04-13 11:26:50 PM

IntertubeUser: Your Average Witty Fark User:
One of you gets it, the other one doesn't.

/No town supports a team that willingly and intentionally puts a shiat product on the field, all the while trying to polish a turd and serve it to you as exotic, high priced cuisine
//Sonics drew just fine until that coffee fark ruined the team

I'm calling bullshiat.  You need to get out and visit the rest of the country.  Throughout most of the franchise's history, the New Orleans Saints have been absolutely horrid.  But they continued to sell out games no matter what.  Somebody mentioned the Cubs up above.  Another example are some of the bad Celtics teams of the last decade or so.  New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland...THOSE are sports towns.  Seattle isn't like those places (for many different reasons), not the least of which is the lesser degree of widespread support for professional sports.


So, in your opinion, every sports franchise not located in New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, or Cleveland should fold.

You're a goddamned moron.
 
2013-04-13 11:47:52 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: IntertubeUser: Your Average Witty Fark User:
One of you gets it, the other one doesn't.

/No town supports a team that willingly and intentionally puts a shiat product on the field, all the while trying to polish a turd and serve it to you as exotic, high priced cuisine
//Sonics drew just fine until that coffee fark ruined the team

I'm calling bullshiat.  You need to get out and visit the rest of the country.  Throughout most of the franchise's history, the New Orleans Saints have been absolutely horrid.  But they continued to sell out games no matter what.  Somebody mentioned the Cubs up above.  Another example are some of the bad Celtics teams of the last decade or so.  New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland...THOSE are sports towns.  Seattle isn't like those places (for many different reasons), not the least of which is the lesser degree of widespread support for professional sports.

So, in your opinion, every sports franchise not located in New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, or Cleveland should fold.

You're a goddamned moron.


But at least I understand economics and understand that professional sports have a horrible return on investment for taxpayers.  I understand that an NBA arena and a team in it will create very few jobs outside of typically low-paying service industry occupations and, even in my examples above, taxpayers sometimes have to cough up money.

Want to see what a good return on taxpayer investment looks like?  Research what the State of Derpistan Texas did to bring Samsung to the Round Rock/Austin area.  Rick Perry may be a complete and utter dumbass, but I wish our political critters had pursued something similar instead of pro sports (for about the same amount of money).

But you keep being blinded by the male soap opera of pro sports.
 
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