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2013-04-12 11:47:11 PM
Thank Christ! That show is awesome and I devoured it 3X over.
 
2013-04-12 11:52:08 PM
Well hurry the fark up.  Everything is due to blow up and I want to see who else gets Russo'd.

At least when Psych dropped the long due oh shiat moment on us they did so without a mid-season break so I don't have two gigantic cliffhangers over my head.
 
2013-04-13 12:20:37 AM
Awesome, can't wait!
 
2013-04-13 12:27:58 AM
I didn't know there were going to be more seasons, so I thought the ending was some artsy thing I didn't get.
 
2013-04-13 12:44:11 AM
It is shot in my neighborhood. I get bagels at the Koren place next to Zoey's apartment.
 
2013-04-13 01:39:29 AM
I'm in. It's better than 90% of the crap on networks, and to be fair, this is a good way to test this method of content distribution.
 
2013-04-13 01:50:40 AM
Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.
 
2013-04-13 01:54:10 AM

Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago
 
2013-04-13 01:55:46 AM
Right on.  Frank's downfall seems inevitable, but I really want to see him "win" by doing something that makes Russo's demise look like child's play.  There's no way in hell that Frank's character ever has a "come to Jesus" moment.  He'll most likely die by the sword, but it'd be horrifically awesome if he somehow manages to survive and prosper despite all that has gone before.

/haven't watched the BBC version, nor read the novel
 
2013-04-13 01:57:16 AM

Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


Breaking the fourth wall does not automatically equal breaking character.
 
2013-04-13 02:02:41 AM

Altair: It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago


In FBDO it works, but in House of Cards, it's just a way to narrate cynical motive into the script. It's lazy. Would Syriana be a better movie if Clooney explained why he was doing what he was doing to the camera?
 
2013-04-13 02:05:53 AM
I need to make time to see season 1
 
2013-04-13 02:10:58 AM

Sandor at the Zoo: Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.

Breaking the fourth wall does not automatically equal breaking character.


It is a tradition that goes back a long ways in theater. And politics AS theater IS sort of theme in the show. It's not lazy, it's tradition, going back to Grecian theater. It's perhaps not device that you particularly like, but it's not lazy, in many ways, it is very traditional. It allows the audience to be in on the drama, and while it breaks the fourth wall, it is a dramatic device that goes back long before Shakespeare...
 
2013-04-13 02:12:04 AM

Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


In the original BBC version, they comes off as more as Shakespearean asides (which works perfectly as Richardson plays Urquhart as a Shakespearean villain (not to mention the many parallels to MacBeth and Richard III throughout the series). It's one of a number of things things that they carried over from their source which just doesn't work as well as it did in the original (which is still on Netflix instant so if you haven't seen it I would highly recommend it)
 
2013-04-13 02:15:13 AM

Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


That's how it was in the original British version. Its one of the major story telling devices used.
 
2013-04-13 02:30:19 AM
HOC season one was great, but I'm not paying $8/month for Netflix for season two.

I can get the same Netflix content from Amazon Prime for less.  Add on the Prime benefits for content, shipping, and Kindle content.
 
2013-04-13 02:34:02 AM

roflmaonow: Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.

That's how it was in the original British version. Its one of the major story telling devices used.


It may work in the British version, but it annoys me in House of Cards. For theater, contemporaneous narration by characters may be common, but it's not for film and TV for a reason. What other TV or film drama can you name that would have been improved by it?
 
2013-04-13 02:38:26 AM

Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.



I think the breaking the fourth wall stuff with Spacey is one of the show's biggest strengths. He's letting us, the audience, in on the insider shiat going on. It's like we're the cool kids that he's letting in on what he's REALLY doing. Love it.
 
2013-04-13 02:48:38 AM

Triumph: roflmaonow: Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.

That's how it was in the original British version. Its one of the major story telling devices used.

It may work in the British version, but it annoys me in House of Cards. For theater, contemporaneous narration by characters may be common, but it's not for film and TV for a reason. What other TV or film drama can you name that would have been improved by it?


Beyond Burns and Allen?  Dobie Gillis? Jack Benny? The Honeymooners? Topper? The Simpsons? Scrubs? 30 Rock? South Park?  Mary Poppins? Fiddler on the Roof? Monty Python? The Lucy Show? Bewitched? The Muppet Show? Moonlighting? It's a common device. It's not used in straight drama that often, no, but that doesn't remove it as a device that can be used to good effect. Moreover, it DOES inject a level of humor and awareness of that device. Fight Club was rife with it, because the device allowed a level of not just humor, but also an awareness that you were watching a film and drew you into the action on screen, as you were then a participant WITH the characters. That is the power of the device. It is a way to not just break out of the ordinary, but turn your audience into participants with you, and grant them greater intimacy while being fully aware that the device is obvious.
 
2013-04-13 02:50:22 AM

Triumph: Altair: It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago

In FBDO it works, but in House of Cards, it's just a way to narrate cynical motive into the script. It's lazy. Would Syriana be a better movie if Clooney explained why he was doing what he was doing to the camera?


I figured it was because it was based on a book and was a way to convey inner dialogue.
 
2013-04-13 02:51:41 AM

foo monkey: HOC season one was great, but I'm not paying $8/month for Netflix for season two.

I can get the same Netflix content from Amazon Prime for less.  Add on the Prime benefits for content, shipping, and Kindle content.


I just use both.
 
2013-04-13 02:51:52 AM

shower_in_my_socks: I think the breaking the fourth wall stuff with Spacey is one of the show's biggest strengths. He's letting us, the audience, in on the insider shiat going on. It's like we're the cool kids that he's letting in on what he's REALLY doing.


Yeah, I know. But it feels to me like it's because we're too dumb to figure that out. It's a shortcut that allows for a faster pace of storytelling. Instead of somehow showing us that some Senator is a backstabber, Spacey can just tell us in two seconds. It moves things along. I prefer a more clever way to reveal that stuff, but I understand why people like the fast pace.
 
2013-04-13 03:07:22 AM
The original was better.
 
2013-04-13 03:08:33 AM

Triumph: shower_in_my_socks: I think the breaking the fourth wall stuff with Spacey is one of the show's biggest strengths. He's letting us, the audience, in on the insider shiat going on. It's like we're the cool kids that he's letting in on what he's REALLY doing.

Yeah, I know. But it feels to me like it's because we're too dumb to figure that out. It's a shortcut that allows for a faster pace of storytelling. Instead of somehow showing us that some Senator is a backstabber, Spacey can just tell us in two seconds. It moves things along. I prefer a more clever way to reveal that stuff, but I understand why people like the fast pace.


You're free to think that.

I tend to think of it as a time honored device that brings the audience "in" on the joke, and the joke IS the politics. Which is a fair summary of the show, and thus, to me, a valid device, keeping very much in the theme of the show. Then again, I was also a Theater Arts minor, and as a Language Arts major, I spent a LOT of time digging through a LOT of books, and books break the Fourth Wall fair often as well. It's not jarring to me in the least, and has a lot of history. Then again, I really dislike The Walking Dead, and stopped watching Lost after the first episode, and none too fond of Battlestar Galactica, because of lazy scriptwriting--THOSE shows used retcon as active story device, not a go to when cast members die, get fired, or leave because of a tiff with management. Likewise, to this day, I think of HBO's Rome as the show to give to up and coming script writers to show how to do effective arcs and setting up characters and their motivations.
 
2013-04-13 03:29:15 AM

hubiestubert: You're free to think that.

I tend to think of it as a time honored device that brings the audience "in" on the joke, and the joke IS the politics. Which is a fair summary of the show, and thus, to me, a valid device, keeping very much in the theme of the show. Then again, I was also a Theater Arts minor, and as a Language Arts major, I spent a LOT of time digging through a LOT of books, and books break the Fourth Wall fair often as well. It's not jarring to me in the least, and has a lot of history. Then again, I really dislike The Walking Dead, and stopped watching Lost after the first episode, and none too fond of Battlestar Galactica, because of lazy scriptwriting--THOSE shows used retcon as active story device, not a go to when cast members die, get fired, or leave because of a tiff with management. Likewise, to this day, I think of HBO's Rome as the show to give to up and coming script writers to show how to do effective arcs and setting up characters and their motivations.


So you're saying that my point about the device only working in comedies holds because this is a black comedy. I've only watched two episodes, but I can accept that it's a black comedy. I guess I don't find the cynicism all that humorous. Now Breaking Bad, on the other hand, is genius-level black comedy to me.
 
2013-04-13 03:31:31 AM
It's a great show. And Kate Mara is such a cutie.
 
2013-04-13 04:04:23 AM
How are we all feeling about their up and coming show "Hemlock Grove"? Are we all supernaturalled out, or can we stand for a few more vampires and werewolves?
 
2013-04-13 04:23:47 AM

foo monkey: HOC season one was great, but I'm not paying $8/month for Netflix


or five bucks for some fake news site.
 
2013-04-13 06:02:33 AM
god what a great show.

/although Atlanta sure looked like downtown Baltimore ;D
 
2013-04-13 07:46:37 AM
Love,  lovethis show.

From the first episode:

"I love that woman. I love her the way sharks love blood."

Hands down, the most erotic and simultaneously  sinister line ever delivered on TV.
 
2013-04-13 08:56:27 AM
*happy dance*

Can't wait!
 
2013-04-13 09:09:15 AM

Triumph: Altair: It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago

In FBDO it works, but in House of Cards, it's just a way to narrate cynical motive into the script. It's lazy. Would Syriana be a better movie if Clooney explained why he was doing what he was doing to the camera?


I like it not because it explains scenes. I like it because it epitomizes the two-faced politician. He will say or do one thing, and then in the aside will say his true intentions and thoughts.

I think it gives the viewer an insight into the two different faces of Frank... The one he displays in public and the cynical, politically cunning one, on the inside.
 
2013-04-13 09:22:45 AM

Wolf892: How are we all feeling about their up and coming show "Hemlock Grove"? Are we all supernaturalled out, or can we stand for a few more vampires and werewolves?


Looking forward to it, but i get the vibe that it's trying to appeal to Twilight fans. Love Vampire/werewolf/etc genre otherwise.
 
2013-04-13 09:33:51 AM

cfletch13: Triumph: Altair: It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago

In FBDO it works, but in House of Cards, it's just a way to narrate cynical motive into the script. It's lazy. Would Syriana be a better movie if Clooney explained why he was doing what he was doing to the camera?

I like it not because it explains scenes. I like it because it epitomizes the two-faced politician. He will say or do one thing, and then in the aside will say his true intentions and thoughts.

I think it gives the viewer an insight into the two different faces of Frank... The one he displays in public and the cynical, politically cunning one, on the inside.


I don't get why someone might think a soliloquy is fine in the theatre, but not on television.  "Why won't this Hamlet douche shut up about 'to be or not to be' and go kill that one dude?"
 
2013-04-13 09:47:23 AM
I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.
 
2013-04-13 10:04:10 AM

Hebalo: I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.


Couldn't you just watch them once per week if you wanted to?  I personally don't need a show spoon-fed to me on someone else's schedule.
 
2013-04-13 10:34:38 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Hebalo: I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.

Couldn't you just watch them once per week if you wanted to?  I personally don't need a show spoon-fed to me on someone else's schedule.


Pretty much. The weekly release schedule is predicated upon a return on advertisement as a cash source. Netflix doesn't NEED that, and they aren't linked to "ratings" to drive their model either. Only to hook subscribers to continue to see that their content is worth the money. They FULLY realize that their users tend to watch show, after show, after show, after show, in binges. Or at odd hours that aren't reliant on scheduling. That the video on demand is exactly what they are looking for.
 
2013-04-13 10:38:44 AM

jake_lex: cfletch13: Triumph: Altair: It isn't breaking character if he talks to the camera in character...

/Sausage King of Chicago

In FBDO it works, but in House of Cards, it's just a way to narrate cynical motive into the script. It's lazy. Would Syriana be a better movie if Clooney explained why he was doing what he was doing to the camera?

I like it not because it explains scenes. I like it because it epitomizes the two-faced politician. He will say or do one thing, and then in the aside will say his true intentions and thoughts.

I think it gives the viewer an insight into the two different faces of Frank... The one he displays in public and the cynical, politically cunning one, on the inside.

I don't get why someone might think a soliloquy is fine in the theatre, but not on television.  "Why won't this Hamlet douche shut up about 'to be or not to be' and go kill that one dude?"


I don't have an issue with soliloquies, but I think Spacey is an actor who needs reigned in. He can joyfully chew more scenery than a man sized termite, and I've enjoyed watching him do so on occasions, but it needs to be applied sparingly.

{spoilerifics ahead!}


A lot of the show reminds me of a contemporized Shakespeare revival (revival may not be the most appropriate term I guess). I thought Russo's arc was good, but walked back and forth between foreshadow and being as obvious as a freight train coming at your house.

The acadamy reunion episode really surprised me though, and I think it added a lot to Frank's character. Is he a diagnosible secondary sociopath?  His affection seems calculated to avoid interfering with his ambition. He needs/wants love/sex, but not if it gets in the way of the big goal. His motivation for killing Russo, and the dog in the first episode, wasn't driven by rage . Russo's killing echoed some of the empathy displayed when he took the mutt out of it's misery.

I am really excited by this distribution model though. We may be seeing the end of network monopoly on the good stuff! Producers will be able to bring shows to the public without having to convince a boardroom of network executives of what we want. Shows with a small audience will have to work within the budgets they can earn of course, but the dedicated fans won't have to wait for artificial seasons, or sports interupting their release cycle. Web enabled TVs mean that we watch what we want when we want. I see an end to the cable tv market, and a reassignment of the bandwidth to web based distribution. The networks can realign to a web model, packaging for specific demographics or genres and still inserting ads for revenue if pay per play doesn't bring the revenue they need for the production costs of what they want to share. I think the soap opera genre has a chance with this model. They typically have low production costs, and can develop a very loyal core audience that would increase without requiring their fans to time shift with DVR technology.
 
2013-04-13 11:22:41 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Hebalo: I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.

Couldn't you just watch them once per week if you wanted to?  I personally don't need a show spoon-fed to me on someone else's schedule.


No. I'm a total farking moron who didn't realize that. Seriously. You missed my point entirely. Spooging all the episodes at once detracts from the buzz, the conversation, the interest gathered in the show. With the Netflix model, you get a bit of buzz the week it's released, then no one cares until the season is ready.

You lose the "weekly thread", the fanboys etc.
 
2013-04-13 11:38:43 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


I think the breaking the fourth wall stuff with Spacey is one of the show's biggest strengths. He's letting us, the audience, in on the insider shiat going on. It's like we're the cool kids that he's letting in on what he's REALLY doing. Love it.


Agreed. To me it's like Frank thinks everyone in the room is an idiot. (And most times he is right.) And the only one he thinks is smart enough to get his inside track is, us, the audience. I love it when he lets his guard down and shows what an intelligent monster he is.

shabu: Is he a diagnosible secondary sociopath? His affection seems calculated to avoid interfering with his ambition. He needs/wants love/sex, but not if it gets in the way of the big goal.


I would label him as such. He feels no guilt over whomever he steamrolls. Even if it means steamrolling people that he claims to love like his wife.
 
2013-04-13 12:02:21 PM
Hopefully for the second season, the scriptwriters try to base the plot on the way the US Congress and political parties are actually structured instead of how the UK Parliament works. The story would have made much more logical sense that way.

/the acting was good
//the plot? not so much.
 
2013-04-13 12:28:40 PM

mekki: shower_in_my_socks: Triumph: Breaking character to talk to the camera is rarely acceptable to me. In a comedy like Ferris Bueller's Day Off, it works, but for a political drama it's just seems lazy.


I think the breaking the fourth wall stuff with Spacey is one of the show's biggest strengths. He's letting us, the audience, in on the insider shiat going on. It's like we're the cool kids that he's letting in on what he's REALLY doing. Love it.

Agreed. To me it's like Frank thinks everyone in the room is an idiot. (And most times he is right.) And the only one he thinks is smart enough to get his inside track is, us, the audience. I love it when he lets his guard down and shows what an intelligent monster he is.

shabu: Is he a diagnosible secondary sociopath? His affection seems calculated to avoid interfering with his ambition. He needs/wants love/sex, but not if it gets in the way of the big goal.

I would label him as such. He feels no guilt over whomever he steamrolls. Even if it means steamrolling people that he claims to love like his wife.




I'm torn. His psychopathic security guy, the one that shot down a dark, public street, throws it off for me. Do sociopaths work well with psychopaths?
 
2013-04-13 01:02:04 PM

Hebalo: You lose the "weekly thread", the fanboys etc.


You "lose" them in the sense that you never intended to attract them, yeah.  Thankfully.  The hype-ramping industry in TV is killing it, not helping it.  We've now moved to the "split final season in half to give us more time to hype" model with shows like Breaking Bad, and it's a cheap, irritating gimmick.  If a show can't survive unless it's artificially dangled just out of reach for weeks or months at a time, it doesn't deserve to survive.
 
2013-04-13 01:28:48 PM

Hebalo: I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.


I couldn't possibly disagree more.
 
2013-04-13 01:30:21 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Hebalo: You lose the "weekly thread", the fanboys etc.

You "lose" them in the sense that you never intended to attract them, yeah.  Thankfully.  The hype-ramping industry in TV is killing it, not helping it.  We've now moved to the "split final season in half to give us more time to hype" model with shows like Breaking Bad, and it's a cheap, irritating gimmick.  If a show can't survive unless it's artificially dangled just out of reach for weeks or months at a time, it doesn't deserve to survive.


the weekly thread point is valid, but lots of folks don't access Netflix consistently, so this distribution model may make more sense for them. Giving viewers the opportunity to dive in with marathon viewing, even if for only a few episodes, makes them invested in the show and watching one episode may not. They may not go to netflix for weeks, and then decide not to view the second episode when they're presented with so many other options simultaneously.
 
2013-04-13 01:33:06 PM
I'm at episode 8 in the season and love this show. Season 2 sounds good.
 
2013-04-13 03:34:45 PM

Hebalo: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Hebalo: I still think they do themselves a disservice by releasing the entire season at once. HoC was awesome, but it would be more awesome if it was released weekly, and allowed people a chance to digest, discuss etc.

Couldn't you just watch them once per week if you wanted to?  I personally don't need a show spoon-fed to me on someone else's schedule.

No. I'm a total farking moron who didn't realize that. Seriously. You missed my point entirely. Spooging all the episodes at once detracts from the buzz, the conversation, the interest gathered in the show. With the Netflix model, you get a bit of buzz the week it's released, then no one cares until the season is ready.

You lose the "weekly thread", the fanboys etc.


Actually that's EXACTLY why I like releasing the whole season at once. It removes the "rent on of the week" possibility entirely, and lets the show stand on its own merits. The buzz is as folks turn friends onto it. It takes out the circus element.
 
2013-04-13 04:39:40 PM
I adore the original House of Cards, but I can't be the only person who was really disappointed by the remake, can I?

Compared to the original I just thought it dragged. . .and dragged. . . and dragged on.  So much padding. All I kept thinking was that this Underwood fellow seems to be taking forever, Urquhart would have had this sorted out by now. I dunno, the original just felt tighter. To be fair though they to tell the story in four hours.

And what the hell happened at the end there? Not a single van was destroyed.  Disappointing.
 
2013-04-13 04:51:01 PM

ruetheday69: Wolf892: How are we all feeling about their up and coming show "Hemlock Grove"? Are we all supernaturalled out, or can we stand for a few more vampires and werewolves?

Looking forward to it, but i get the vibe that it's trying to appeal to Twilight fans. Love Vampire/werewolf/etc genre otherwise.


I really hope not. I think it's time to get back to good story telling, dig deep into the mythos and really tear up the screen with some good ol fashion horror....if it ends up being another twilight then I'll be so very disappointed...but, we will see...
 
2013-04-13 05:37:22 PM
The ONLY thing I don't like about this show is the overly-long, bordering-on-pretentious opening credits.

Other than that, big fan!
 
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