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(BBC)   The latest hipster cocktail recipes in London, Stockholm and Amsterdam contain ... American craft beer   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 48
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2013-04-12 08:56:30 PM  
craft beer: yes.
bright yellow piss in a bottle: no
 
2013-04-12 09:00:16 PM  
No, this can't be true since Americans are constantly reminded by Europeans that our beer is swill, piss, rubbish, and sex in a canoe.  Welcome to the late 20th century, lads.
 
2013-04-12 09:19:04 PM  
I know a Irish gent who drinks fancy imported beer.  Budweiser.
 
2013-04-13 12:14:05 AM  
My new favorite microbrew is so exclusive you've probably never heard of it.  It's called Waggle, and you can only get it on March 8 every year in New York in Manhattan.  Peter Dinklage chews organic barley mixed with pure ethanol and then spits it in your mouth.

I'm pretty awesome, so I get it every year.
 
2013-04-13 03:31:26 AM  
Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?
 
2013-04-13 03:31:41 AM  
Sierra Nevada is not craft beer.
 
2013-04-13 03:48:22 AM  

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?


As is my ironic use of commas.

/sheesh
 
2013-04-13 03:49:07 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Sierra Nevada is not craft beer.


They sold out, before it was cool, ect?

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?


It's more of a, you like it if you have taste buds thing, you don't if you want vaguely beer flavored rice alcohol water just to get hammered thing.
 
2013-04-13 03:55:05 AM  
Cocktail recipes?
 
2013-04-13 03:55:13 AM  
Sam Smith's brews are on my recent 'must have more of' list. Their oatmeal stout is unbelievably smooth.

Whatever else those Brit's might be good at... they can turn out a wicked stout.
 
2013-04-13 03:56:28 AM  

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?


Depends if you make a show of drinking it. If you just order it and drink it quietly you are okay. It's kind of like an iPhone. If you use it for its intended purpose--you're good; if you carry it around, flash it, mention it in conversation, and just generally make sure people know you have an iPhone--you're douchey.
 
2013-04-13 03:56:42 AM  
Why is the world buying in to the American brewing revolution?

My question is, why is the world buying into the Hipster "revolution"? Other subcultures had the short lived organization that were much maligned by the majority (beatnicks, hippies, punks) or the long term organization that is holding on by the skin of it's teeth and barely resembles it's early roots (Goth), but it never had the social acceptance that Hipster seems to have. Goths and Punks may have collectively gotten a single neighborhood (Camden Town, London) or part of a street (St Marks Place, NYC or Broad Street, Philadelphia or other examples that I haven't personally experienced), but Hipsters have somehow gotten neighborhoods to gentrify towards their "unique" authenticity seeking, and then when it becomes "played out" (too popular and/or expensive - for example, the Brooklyn Hipsters are moving out to either, Upstate NY, Queens, or to small cities and suburbs in New Jersey) they move into a new area and inhabit that area and change things till the prior residents are pushed out due to higher housing values that those existing rent payers can't afford.

What makes me most confused is the parental support for these Hipsters. For Beatnicks, Hippies, Punks, Goths, Emos, ect got at most tolerated by parents, but somehow Hipsters have gotten their wealthy parents to be in awe of their "artiness" and get money for expensive housing, food, vintage clothing, vinyl records, and purchased "found art". I had to pay my own way through college when my parents didn't like the fact that I didn't want to get a business degree or an IT degree (didn't like the idea of being a cold hearted businessman and knew that outsourcing would kill my job chances with an IT degree). I am just in shock that somehow if you pretend to be artistic to your parents, these days they'll give you money and not act as if you are supposed to be admonished because of your personal choices. What changed?!
 
2013-04-13 04:15:54 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Why is the world buying in to the American brewing revolution?

My question is, why is the world buying into the Hipster "revolution"?


Irony is a defense mechanism. You have a large generation coming of age in pretty nasty times, so you either resort to cynicism or irony. To give the extreme case, you believe in nothing, or take nothing seriously, because playing it straight and approaching the world on its own terms is too painful. I tend to play it straight, but I slip into one or the other when I need relief. I don't think I'm all that exceptional in that. But given a bell curve, it shouldn't shock you to realize that there are people who will consistently react with irony (hipsters) or consistently react with cynicism.

Generational traits exist because world events and cultural trends affect our formative experiences, and when you're hitting people with a similar environment at the same stage in their lives, they're going to develop similar reactions. When a large contingent consistently come back to taking nothing seriously as a way of dealing with the world, you get hipsters.

As for your historical views on other outsider social prospectives, there's too much I would have to unpack and correct for 4AM, so I'll leave it be. I'd just say that the whole 'hipsters don't have jobs' thing is caricature, not fact.
 
2013-04-13 04:34:12 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: My question is, why is the world buying into the Hipster "revolution"?


Because what most of the Internet calls hipsters in reality they're most of the 21-35 generation regardless of how defensive people get about not being hipsters.  Hipsters are just those damned kids who are still walking across your lawn.
 
2013-04-13 04:38:14 AM  
I was a hipster before hipsters were cool. Went to a college that was overrun with people wearing thrift store clothes out of guilt for their family's wealth, we all sat around dressed poorly and listening to indie and folk music, and nothing seems to have changed with hipsters in the decade since I graduated.
 
2013-04-13 04:43:17 AM  
The blind leading the drunk, this will end well.


On a side note, an american "micro" brewery is still bigger than most normal breweries in beer-producing countries.
 
2013-04-13 04:51:26 AM  

cptjeff: HotWingAgenda: Sierra Nevada is not craft beer.

They sold out, before it was cool, ect?

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?

It's more of a, you like it if you have taste buds thing, you don't if you want vaguely beer flavored rice alcohol water just to get hammered thing.


Just shut the fark up
 
2013-04-13 04:58:32 AM  
I paid four hundred dollars to read what I already know.  What a ripoff.
 
2013-04-13 05:02:29 AM  

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?


No, that would be artisan beer.  You've probably never heard if it.
 
2013-04-13 05:07:05 AM  
I'd like to ban the word "craft."
 
2013-04-13 05:23:26 AM  
I like drinking local. In Michigan we have Bell's, Founder's, and some others that are good.
 
2013-04-13 05:24:46 AM  

swahnhennessy: Cocktail recipes?


Thank you.
 
2013-04-13 05:57:39 AM  

Marquis de Sod: I like drinking local. In Michigan we have Bell's, Founder's, and some others that are good.


There's so much good beer in this state, I love it.  It's also one of the few sectors of Michigan's economy that's showing robust growth.  According to the Detroit News, 17 new breweries opened in Michigan in 2012 and the 100+ breweries (5th most in the nation) contributed $133 million to the state's economy.
 
2013-04-13 06:05:54 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Sierra Nevada is not craft beer.


It's not about good beer, it's about using obscure beers you haven't heard of to show how worldly and cool you are. Non inBev beers in Britain are drunk by old bearded men in dark dingy bars and are in no way cool and drinking them shows how uncool you are. Complete hipster rubbish.

Proper beers never died out in Britain and every year CAMRA publishes its good beer guid that is currently thicker than a George RR Martin book.
 
2013-04-13 06:23:49 AM  
Subby fails- these are not cocktail recipes that use beer- thank god! Beer in a coctail? A waste of beer. Cocktail? A waste of alcohol.
 
2013-04-13 06:28:07 AM  
Well it's not like London, Stockholm or Amsterdam are known for having good beer
 
2013-04-13 06:51:02 AM  
Is the New Belgium line considered "craft" beer? You can get it in Sam's club now, which don't get me wrong, is awesome.,,
 
2013-04-13 07:10:53 AM  

rynthetyn: I was a hipster before hipsters were cool. Went to a college that was overrun with people wearing thrift store clothes out of guilt for their family's wealth, we all sat around dressed poorly and listening to indie and folk music, and nothing seems to have changed with hipsters in the decade since I graduated.


Yeah?! Well we all did that shiat 25 years ago.
 
2013-04-13 07:55:31 AM  

LDM90: I'd like to ban the word "craft."


This. 'Craft' should be used for ugly little items that end up on Etsy.
 
2013-04-13 08:15:41 AM  
Soon the back roads of Europe will be littered with Busch Light cans.
 
2013-04-13 08:20:16 AM  
So...."Water", then?
 
2013-04-13 08:42:19 AM  

swahnhennessy: Cocktail recipes?


Could make for a more expensive Boilermaker, or Root-Beer Bombs.

/Only 2 I can think of that use beer
//Unless a Black and Tan counts
 
2013-04-13 08:44:57 AM  

CognaciousThunk: LDM90: I'd like to ban the word "craft."

This. 'Craft' should be used for ugly little items that end up on Etsy.


Ugly?

www.thelostogle.com

I mean, it was no "Practical Magic", but still . . .
 
2013-04-13 09:01:30 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Sierra Nevada is not craft beer.


Yes it is, stop being a pretentious douche.
 
2013-04-13 09:49:53 AM  

Thelyphthoric: I know a Irish gent who drinks fancy imported beer.  Budweiser.


Funny.  I know an American gent who drinks fancy imported beer.  Stella Artois.
 
2013-04-13 10:20:02 AM  
Well, the cocktail thing is the sidebar rather than the main article, but this is fark.

That said, Beer Advocate has been publishing beer cocktail recipes for the past few months. Haven't made any yet because we're lazy, but there are some tasty-sounding ones. There is nothing beer can't do.
 
2013-04-13 10:45:34 AM  

dforkus: Is the New Belgium line considered "craft" beer? You can get it in Sam's club now, which don't get me wrong, is awesome.,,


the brewery i work for produces around 13k bbls a year. and you can buy it in the Costco's around heee

we are able to produce for their minimum order guideline. and that is a full pallet of 60 cases. we even produce special packaging for the Costco
 
2013-04-13 10:59:08 AM  
My brother is a big craft beer trader.  He brought a bunch of it on a trip we took to Amsterdam for Queen's Day last year. Its the kind of holiday where people party all day and just invite passersby in to party with them.  He got every dutch person who came in totally hooked on American craft beer.  A year later these guys are still begging him to send them beer so local you can't buy it 50 miles away.  The shipping costs are a fortune, but they don't care.
 
2013-04-13 12:26:34 PM  

cptjeff: DarkSoulNoHope: Why is the world buying in to the American brewing revolution?

My question is, why is the world buying into the Hipster "revolution"?

Irony is a defense mechanism. You have a large generation coming of age in pretty nasty times, so you either resort to cynicism or irony. To give the extreme case, you believe in nothing, or take nothing seriously, because playing it straight and approaching the world on its own terms is too painful. I tend to play it straight, but I slip into one or the other when I need relief. I don't think I'm all that exceptional in that. But given a bell curve, it shouldn't shock you to realize that there are people who will consistently react with irony (hipsters) or consistently react with cynicism.

Generational traits exist because world events and cultural trends affect our formative experiences, and when you're hitting people with a similar environment at the same stage in their lives, they're going to develop similar reactions. When a large contingent consistently come back to taking nothing seriously as a way of dealing with the world, you get hipsters.

As for your historical views on other outsider social prospectives, there's too much I would have to unpack and correct for 4AM, so I'll leave it be. I'd just say that the whole 'hipsters don't have jobs' thing is caricature, not fact.


I never said that "Hipsters don't have jobs", in fact they seem to somehow create these small indie shops all over the places that they inhabit (including a few weeks ago prior thread describing the Hipster influx to Hastings-On-Hudson, NY) or slightly "grow out" of pure Hipsterism in order to go into marketing to sell to their fellow Hipsters. Those places they move to have expensive rent and/or alot of white people there! In fact I just found a funny response to the NY Times article http://www.blackbookmag.com/14-things-about-the-style-section-s-artic l e-on-hipsters-in-the-suburbs-that-make-me-want-to-die-1.58744 that was used for the Fark thread (not the response I mean :) Just the NY Times article) http://www.fark.com/comments/7596559/Times-trend-reporters-discover-h o t-new-trend-of-Brooklyn-creative-class-migrating-to-suburbs-of-NYC-bri nging-along-their-foodie-tastes-tattoo-art-fringe-culture-to-create-hi psturbia-link-foxed  But also the idea astounds me that pop culture seems to gravitate towards Hipsters despite being a supposed "subculture". It reminds me of my very young childhood, growing up around the New Wave teenagers, Hipsters are everywhere but much more annoying (especially with their attitudes that individuality is more a search for authenticity than the idea of "just be yourself and enjoy it").
 
2013-04-13 12:26:54 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Why is the world buying in to the American brewing revolution?

My question is, why is the world buying into the Hipster "revolution"? Other subcultures had the short lived organization that were much maligned by the majority (beatnicks, hippies, punks) or the long term organization that is holding on by the skin of it's teeth and barely resembles it's early roots (Goth), but it never had the social acceptance that Hipster seems to have. Goths and Punks may have collectively gotten a single neighborhood (Camden Town, London) or part of a street (St Marks Place, NYC or Broad Street, Philadelphia or other examples that I haven't personally experienced), but Hipsters have somehow gotten neighborhoods to gentrify towards their "unique" authenticity seeking, and then when it becomes "played out" (too popular and/or expensive - for example, the Brooklyn Hipsters are moving out to either, Upstate NY, Queens, or to small cities and suburbs in New Jersey) they move into a new area and inhabit that area and change things till the prior residents are pushed out due to higher housing values that those existing rent payers can't afford.

What makes me most confused is the parental support for these Hipsters. For Beatnicks, Hippies, Punks, Goths, Emos, ect got at most tolerated by parents, but somehow Hipsters have gotten their wealthy parents to be in awe of their "artiness" and get money for expensive housing, food, vintage clothing, vinyl records, and purchased "found art". I had to pay my own way through college when my parents didn't like the fact that I didn't want to get a business degree or an IT degree (didn't like the idea of being a cold hearted businessman and knew that outsourcing would kill my job chances with an IT degree). I am just in shock that somehow if you pretend to be artistic to your parents, these days they'll give you money and not act as if you are supposed to be admonished because of your personal choices. What changed?!


For Beatnicks, Hippies, Punks, Goths, Emos, ect
what's an ect? your college didn't offer latin I gather. go write another check to your alma mater. windbag
 
2013-04-13 12:36:59 PM  

bigbobowski: what's an ect? your college didn't offer latin I gather. go write another check to your alma mater. windbag


Electro Compulsive Therapy. Which you should get for going apeshait over a typo!
 
2013-04-13 12:38:29 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: bigbobowski: what's an ect? your college didn't offer latin I gather. go write another check to your alma mater. windbag

Electro Compulsive Therapy. Which you should get for going apeshait over a typo!


And another typo, Electroconclusive Therapy... I am in typo heaven! I should of just said "electroshock"!
 
2013-04-13 12:51:25 PM  
"Authenticity" is sort of a buzzword and often misunderstood by outsiders and "hipsters" alike, but there is some merit in the values that hipsters are looking for. Basically industrial capitalism has sort of been perfected (for rich Americans) in the sense that it's capable of filling all our needs. But there's the sense of a faceless machine behind it all. So the focus shifts to things the machine still can't provide very well, like certain styles of beer. Budweiser may be fine as such and is certainly popular, but if you just love Budweiser there isn't anything left for a beer drinker to care about except the advertising.
 
2013-04-13 01:19:23 PM  

cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?


Reminds me of this girl I went out.  I told her I was taking her to a steakhouse for her birthday.

I got her a nice table at The Sizzler, then ordered a skirt steak well done with extra ketchup.  But that wasn't good enough for little miss hipster douchebagette.
 
2013-04-13 01:34:00 PM  

Sgt Otter: cygnusx13: Isn't "craft beer" in, and of itself, hipster douchey?

Reminds me of this girl I went out.  I told her I was taking her to a steakhouse for her birthday.

I got her a nice table at The Sizzler, then ordered a skirt steak well done with extra ketchup.  But that wasn't good enough for little miss hipster douchebagette.


i.qkme.me

:)
 
2013-04-13 07:20:54 PM  
I heard a rumour that a dissident splinter group of CAMRA tried to blow up the BrewDog brewery. Not sure if it's true though.
 
2013-04-13 10:50:21 PM  
Why do you believe everything, that is written in the internet and is quoted as beeing true ?

Good god you people.
In this case neither was true, the news nor the source.
It was the bloody BBC, FFS.

And ease up on the "craft-beer revolution"...
 
2013-04-13 11:31:42 PM  

Tunney: I heard a rumour that a dissident splinter group of CAMRA tried to blow up the BrewDog brewery. Not sure if it's true though.


See, Brew Dog make some nice beers; but their "we're anti-marketing punks!" marketing makes me want to find the people responsible, ram bottles up their arses and then stamp on their pelvises until their rectums are filled with broken glass.

...all the while shouting, "I'm a pacifist!"
 
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