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(Sun News Network)   Cutting someone into pieces, mailing the body parts to political parties, and running off to Europe to escape authorities? Yup, you're fit to stand trial   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 14
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2013-04-12 07:41:51 PM
Basically, being unfit to stand trial isn't "You're crazy, so no trial for you." (I am not a lawyer)

From what I understand, to be criminally insane, you have to be to the point where *you do not recognize that SOCIETY considers what you are doing is wrong*.

It's not just you think you're doing an OK thing, but that you havve to hide it because society is warped. You have to be so far gone that you cannot recognize that society thinks what you are doing is bad.

Generally, doing things like attempting to conceal evidence, fleeing to another country to avoid prosecution, etc are evidence that you DID know what you were doing was considered 'wrong'/illegal.
 
2013-04-12 07:44:27 PM
FTFA: Magnotta, a former small-time porn actor from Toronto, is charged with killing and dismembering Lin in May 2012.

I always wanted to be a porn star...if only I had a bigger cock.
 
2013-04-12 07:47:10 PM
Mailing bloody body parts...Spam?
 
2013-04-12 07:48:44 PM
You're right about the mental defect defense - the things he did before and after the crime would make that quite impossible methinks - but this was a pretrial motion to do away with the trial entirely because of what's wrong with him right now. The defense failed to prove that the parts missing in his head make him unable to understand the proceedings or mount a meaningful defense.

The mental defect defense hinges on his ability to prove that he had a mental disorder so profound that it stopped him from knowing that what he did was morally wrong then. And you're bang-on that the threat before the film and the flight to avoid capture are probably going to make that defense impossible.
 
2013-04-12 07:51:03 PM

Point02GPA: Mailing bloody body parts...Spam?



This is one time where all of the evidence KLIKed into place.
 
2013-04-12 07:54:28 PM

thenooch: FTFA: Magnotta, a former small-time porn actor from Toronto, is charged with killing and dismembering Lin in May 2012.

I always wanted to be a porn star...if only I had a bigger cock.


It does say he was a "small-time" porn actor so maybe he can give you some tips.
 
2013-04-12 08:18:15 PM

Flakeloaf: You're right about the mental defect defense - the things he did before and after the crime would make that quite impossible methinks - but this was a pretrial motion to do away with the trial entirely because of what's wrong with him right now. The defense failed to prove that the parts missing in his head make him unable to understand the proceedings or mount a meaningful defense.

The mental defect defense hinges on his ability to prove that he had a mental disorder so profound that it stopped him from knowing that what he did was morally wrong then. And you're bang-on that the threat before the film and the flight to avoid capture are probably going to make that defense impossible.


Yup.  This is why it's actually pretty uncommon for people to successfully plead insanity.  If you did anything at all to try to cover up the crime, the court will not find you insane.
 
2013-04-12 09:35:10 PM
I cut someone into pieces... this is my last resort.
 
2013-04-12 10:09:24 PM
Omg i watched him cut up that guy and fark the body on bestgore. Sickest shiat
 
2013-04-13 03:14:13 AM

Lachwen: Yup.  This is why it's actually pretty uncommon for people to successfully plead insanity.  If you did anything at all to try to cover up the crime, the court will not find you insane.


Which is why you can still lob off a guys head (while he's sleeping) and eat body parts all on a trip on the Greyhound bus (SFW: Wikipedia) and never be found criminally liable for your actions.
 
2013-04-13 06:32:22 AM
That's an old prank from the Bible (no joke: it's Judges 19).
 
2013-04-13 11:16:35 AM

F22raptom: Omg i watched him cut up that guy and fark the body on bestgore. Sickest shiat


Just... Why?
 
2013-04-13 12:54:31 PM
Is it just me or dose he looks like someone needs a good face punching?
 
2013-04-13 08:28:28 PM

themasterdebater: Lachwen: Yup.  This is why it's actually pretty uncommon for people to successfully plead insanity.  If you did anything at all to try to cover up the crime, the court will not find you insane.

Which is why you can still lob off a guys head (while he's sleeping) and eat body parts all on a trip on the Greyhound bus (SFW: Wikipedia) and never be found criminally liable for your actions.


"I got sick after I saw the head thing. Some people were puking, some people were crying, some people were shocked. [The attacker] just looked at us and dropped the head on the ground, totally calm."

Witness Garnet Caton said the attacker seemed oblivious to others when the stabbing occurred, adding he was struck by how calm the man was. "There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy," he said.

The bolded parts tell you why he was found not criminally responsible.  The fact remains that an insanity defense is rarely tried (less than 1% of court cases have a defendant try for an insanity plea), and even when attempted only has about a 26% success rate. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense#Usage_and_success_rate )
 
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