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(Slate)   Is the PC actually dead, or is it more likely that no one wants to deal with Windows 8?   (slate.com) divider line 307
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2013-04-12 04:20:29 PM  
Yes.
 
2013-04-12 04:22:22 PM  
^^^ What he said ^^^
 
2013-04-12 04:35:17 PM  
Windows 8 bring nothing new to the standard PC user.  It's basically for touch screens.  Most large corporations skip a generation of OS' anyway.  XP to Windows 7 is the most common upgrade path... skipping Vista and thus skipping Windows 8.
 
2013-04-12 04:44:51 PM  
I'm running Windows 8 right now.  On a 24" monitor, the metro aspect isn't too bad.  Otherwise, under the hood it seems just like Windows 7.
 
2013-04-12 04:51:08 PM  
My most recent computer purchase was a PC with Win8. I prefer XP, but I'm dealing with getting used to 8. I bought a PC over a laptop since I need not only a large monitor, which I already own (used it with the previous PC), but I also need to be able to sit closer to the monitor due to being legally blind.
 
2013-04-12 05:01:30 PM  
Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?
 
2013-04-12 05:11:21 PM  
Any new computers I buy for the office, I will be blowing away W8 and loading W7 overtop. More often than not, though, I just build my own, so that's not an issue.
 
2013-04-12 05:13:13 PM  

This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?


My dad has a chromebook that's pretty peppy, and Valve is going to release their own build of linux solely for games.  I don't think a "Windows clone" style desktop linux build will ever really get traction, but the specific use builds do.

My only real complaint with Windows 8 after two months is that the hotspots to get to the Start Menu or Charms bar are too small and take too long to come up, especially if you have multiple monitors.  I have three monitors, and my center monitor is the main one.  I can't just slap the mouse down to the left hand corner because it will run off onto the other screen, so I have to be really careful if I want to hit the right spot.  It's crazy annoying.
 
2013-04-12 05:20:05 PM  

Lsherm: This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?

My dad has a chromebook that's pretty peppy, and Valve is going to release their own build of linux solely for games.  I don't think a "Windows clone" style desktop linux build will ever really get traction, but the specific use builds do.

My only real complaint with Windows 8 after two months is that the hotspots to get to the Start Menu or Charms bar are too small and take too long to come up, especially if you have multiple monitors.  I have three monitors, and my center monitor is the main one.  I can't just slap the mouse down to the left hand corner because it will run off onto the other screen, so I have to be really careful if I want to hit the right spot.  It's crazy annoying.


What I have found is to go off the screen below not to the left or right. So When mouse over I'm about 1/4 inch away from the edge of my main screen and then down. Hits it every time and pops right up. I don't even think about it now it's so automatic. Same with the upper left corner. For some reason I can't hit the upper right as well.
 
2013-04-12 05:24:01 PM  

make me some tea: Any new computers I buy for the office, I will be blowing away W8 and loading W7 overtop. More often than not, though, I just build my own, so that's not an issue.


Startisback, Start8 or Pokki are the answers you seek.

Startisback is my personal favorite.  It gives you back the start menu as well as being able to customize easily.  You can hotkey the charms menu easily (fn-Win) and (Win) to go back.  Disable the corners if you want.  Free to try and I think it's 3 bucks for 2 licenses.
 
2013-04-12 05:26:27 PM  

This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?


The real Windows killer was the smartphone. Many people could do 90% of their day to day computing plus have a phone.
 
2013-04-12 05:43:27 PM  
Windows 8.  I'm building a new system for my senior citizen parents...and it will be Windows 7 (because it's close enough to XP where I won't have to spend a billion hours explaining what is where).  That's true with most users.

In previous versions of Windows, if they made changes to the GUI, they were gradual.  Not with Windows 8 and there's no way to revert (without purchasing additional software).

Really stupid on Microsoft's part...and Blue won't change it.
 
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2013-04-12 06:19:09 PM  

This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?


Ask all those people doing stuff on their Linux-based Android phones that they used to do on their PC.

And, since you asked, I'm typing this from a PC running Linux.

So, no?
 
2013-04-12 06:36:01 PM  
Its not that

The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games
 
2013-04-12 07:17:23 PM  
Prediction: Windows 8 SP1 will include an option to turn the "Classic Start Menu" back on, for non-touchscreen computers at least.

That's literally all they have to do to make this problem go away. Sure, there arguably are not enough new features to warrant an entirely new operating system, but if they had just given users the ability to stay away from the New Start Menu from the start, users would have accepted the forced upgrade like they always have.
 
2013-04-12 07:18:26 PM  
I need a big monitor.
I don't see a practical method of achieving a 26" tablet.
My PC lives on.

My Win7 machine is stable and functional. Until my software won't run on it or hardware upgrades force a change, I'm not changing OS.
 
2013-04-12 07:19:13 PM  
PCs are not on the wane, but sales are because we've finally hit a point where even a 4 or 5 year old computer is still perfectly capable of getting whatever job done that is asked of it so many people have stepped off the upgrade treadmill.  In the past because of heavier software and web/browser plugins made the PCs labor like a 500 pound guy walking up a mountainside.  For the last few years though the computers everyone's been buying are actually overpowered for what they are asked to do:  Surf the web, write some emails or some documents, play videos (usually taking advantage of optimized video chipsets that offload the work from the CPU even more) and play some games.
 
2013-04-12 07:20:09 PM  
The PC will never die. 

It will just keep getting a new motherboard + powersupply + video card + hard drive every five years.
 
2013-04-12 07:20:10 PM  

cman: Its not that

The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games


but hotlinking pictures of busty redheads is such a pita on a mobile...
 
2013-04-12 07:20:31 PM  
When I was in the market for a new laptop last year, I bought an iPad...

It works for my casual purpose. I wiped my old laptop and restored to factory and reinstalled office. I use it only for writing school papers.

/vista
//could care less for upgrading
 
2013-04-12 07:21:50 PM  
Another Win8 bashing thread? Pretty soon I'm going to start pining for gun control threads.
 
2013-04-12 07:25:17 PM  
This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?

I'm a fairly big Linux user now (switched in full about 2 years ago).

I don't care what other people use. I just know the conditions that drove me to switch to Linux, and so far I've been happier with the switch.

OTOH, I'm running an version of Ubuntu from 2010 because I don't like the changes that were made in subsequent versions (and haven't had time to really play around with mint).
So basically, I can't stand Windows, OSX or the newer versions of Ubuntu.
 
2013-04-12 07:25:27 PM  
I have to do tech support for this shiat.
You have no idea how many people HATE HATE HATE Win I mean FAIL 8.
 
2013-04-12 07:26:21 PM  
Does the start screen suck? Yes

Does it really matter for most "desktop" users? No

Microsoft has been on sure-fire boy-howdy decline all the way to the bank since MS-DOS.
 
2013-04-12 07:26:38 PM  
its a combination of casuals using phones and tablets instead, win8 sucking balls, and the fact that processor and mobo features are fine for 10+ years now. how long have we been stuck at around 4ghz now? are people really needing usb3 over 2?
 
2013-04-12 07:26:53 PM  

lordargent: This About That: Is the Linux crowd exploiting this opportunity, or is it just too late for Linux?

I'm a fairly big Linux user now (switched in full about 2 years ago).

I don't care what other people use. I just know the conditions that drove me to switch to Linux, and so far I've been happier with the switch.

OTOH, I'm running an version of Ubuntu from 2010 because I don't like the changes that were made in subsequent versions (and haven't had time to really play around with mint).
So basically, I can't stand Windows, OSX or the newer versions of Ubuntu.


Its too late for Linux. It had its time to shine and it blew it.

And, curious, why do you hate OS X? If you really want to learn a lot about operating systems and how they work, might I suggest hackintoshing?
 
2013-04-12 07:28:50 PM  

cman: The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games


A few people still use a computer for work.
 
2013-04-12 07:28:51 PM  

barc0001: PCs are not on the wane, but sales are because we've finally hit a point where even a 4 or 5 year old computer is still perfectly capable of getting whatever job done that is asked of it so many people have stepped off the upgrade treadmill.  In the past because of heavier software and web/browser plugins made the PCs labor like a 500 pound guy walking up a mountainside.  For the last few years though the computers everyone's been buying are actually overpowered for what they are asked to do:  Surf the web, write some emails or some documents, play videos (usually taking advantage of optimized video chipsets that offload the work from the CPU even more) and play some games.


Don't worry, Flash is still around to bring your new i7 with 32gb of ram and raid 5 SSD disks to its knees.
 
2013-04-12 07:32:18 PM  
jayhawk88: That's literally all they have to do to make this problem go away. Sure, there arguably are not enough new features to warrant an entirely new operating system, but if they had just given users the ability to stay away from the New Start Menu from the start, users would have accepted the forced upgrade like they always have.

You mean like how they gave users the ability to use old school menus instead of the ribbon in office :P
 
2013-04-12 07:33:20 PM  

Fano: cman: Its not that

The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games

but hotlinking pictures of busty redheads is such a pita on a mobile...


Well, they're our burdens to bear.

www.mjwarehouse.com.au

// not on mobile
 
2013-04-12 07:34:37 PM  

jayhawk88: Prediction: Windows 8 SP1 will include an option to turn the "Classic Start Menu" back on, for non-touchscreen computers at least.


Not gonna happen. Windows 8 exists for only one reason: Metro.

Microsoft wanted to copy the iPad, and they didn't want  to see their copy ignored or cast aside the way their attempt at an iPod copy was (remember the Zune?) So, they beat together the OS for it, and then strapped it to their only successful product, in an attempt to force the public to not just recognize that it existed, but in a vain attempt to have it somehow become the de facto standard.

It's basically the same stunt they pulled with Internet Explorer.
 
2013-04-12 07:35:29 PM  
cman : And, curious, why do you hate OS X? If you really want to learn a lot about operating systems and how they work, might I suggest hackintoshing?

I'm not a walled garden sort of guy.

As for hackitoshing, been there, done that, played around with OSX for a bit, didn't find anything that compelled me.

I have an OSX VM right now that I'm thinking of deleting, because I don't use it for anything and I am running low on drive space.

Run all the ^major OSes
 
2013-04-12 07:36:41 PM  
Windows 95: bad
Windows 98: good
Windows ME: bad
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: bad
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: bad
next Windows: good

That's the pattern. Every odd OS is a new design that is full of bugs and UI issues, and every even OS is a followup on that design with all the issues fixed and/or improved.
 
2013-04-12 07:39:38 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: its a combination of casuals using phones and tablets instead, win8 sucking balls, and the fact that processor and mobo features are fine for 10+ years now. how long have we been stuck at around 4ghz now? are people really needing usb3 over 2?


External HHD need to run over USB 3 or eSATA to be fast enough to play an HD video over them. But USB 3 is not really going to catch on since Thunderbolt is going to replace it and HDMI.
 
2013-04-12 07:39:47 PM  

cman: Its not that

The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games




The pc isn't going anywhere.
Alot of the people using tablets now were simply not using computers before. Alot of PC users buy tablets and other devices.

Computer literacy isn't receding with so many jobs demanding it as a basic skill. But we shouldn't read the rise of alternatives as meaning the death of anything. More people are simply getting online where they couldn't manage it before.
 
2013-04-12 07:40:46 PM  
Even though most of the hardware in my computer is four years old and running Windows 7, with the only recent change being buying speedier memory, I don't need anything new. As is my computer handles games and multimedia projects well. I could probably use this computer for another four years at least without issue. Probably the only upgrade I really want is an SSD drive.
 
2013-04-12 07:41:56 PM  
Or there's just not a huge point of getting a new computer.  Even if you're into heavy computer gaming, the need to build a new box every few years just isn't there.  Hardware has REALLY been outstripping software requirements for a good decade now.
 
2013-04-12 07:42:52 PM  
Windows 8 was doomed for failure from the start. A new look operating system designed more for touch screens/tablets + Microsoft's penchant for alternating between a good OS and a shiatty OS and Win 7 being a good OS = failure for Win 8.
 
2013-04-12 07:43:05 PM  
Windows 8 is a gem.  Great on multimonitor setups.
Windows Server 2012... I'm learning my way around some of the slight differences...

I'm sure the PC answer falls somewhere in between no money to upgrade, or go for a $300 tablet alternative that can do 95% of what needs to be done in a given day at home anyway.
 
2013-04-12 07:45:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Or there's just not a huge point of getting a new computer.  Even if you're into heavy computer gaming, the need to build a new box every few years just isn't there.  Hardware has REALLY been outstripping software requirements for a good decade now.


For gaming, we are going to see a bit of a shift now that the consoles are updating to new hardware that will use DX 11. With more game studios producing content that uses the new features we will see a push for more power on the PC side.
 
2013-04-12 07:47:21 PM  

cman: Its not that

The PC is on the wane.

The reason is simple: a lot of people dont need them.

For many people a tablet will do. All they do is surf, watch netflix, and play facebook games


Many of the people buying tablets never owned a PC to begin with. It's a cheaper alternative to one, halfway between cellphone and full desktop.

There's more than enough gamers and people who use computers for work and other things to keep the PC going. It's in no danger at all due to people who weren't interested in them before still not being interested.
 
2013-04-12 07:48:17 PM  
 
2013-04-12 07:49:01 PM  
I don't know about other people, but I'm almost sold on using a tablet exclusively. I have a fairly powerful computer, but I only use that power one the rare occasion that I play a new game release.

The Surface Tablets are becoming really enticing. The portability and ease of use of a tablet, but with the functionality of a PC just makes sense to me. I'm only holding out for slightly more powerful ones so I still have the option to play games if I feel like it. Once those hit the market, Ill probably retire my laptop.
 
2013-04-12 07:50:12 PM  
Just throwing this out there but touch screen problems give me an incredible urge to smash a small and expensive peice of technology i own to bits almost every day.

Apples 'pads' are a pita and goddamnit so much would it have killed them to put more than one button on the thing? like a set of arrow keys so i could move through documents or scroll without touching my screen? damnittheymakemeragesodamnmuch.
 
2013-04-12 07:55:10 PM  

Ishkur: Windows 95: bad
Windows 98: good
Windows ME: bad
Windows XP: good
Windows Vista: bad
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: bad
next Windows: good

That's the pattern. Every odd OS is a new design that is full of bugs and UI issues, and every even OS is a followup on that design with all the issues fixed and/or improved.


Except for the whole Windows 8 being bad.
There's nothing wrong with it. We're just experiencing a shift from a traditional PC to cellphone/tablets for most non-exacting work.

Do we really have to go from 1 MS bashing story a day to multiple?
 
2013-04-12 07:57:33 PM  
Also considering that this $1000 GPU is never in stock, anywhere, people gotta be buying stock of many, many more lesser cards as well.
 
2013-04-12 08:00:08 PM  
I just ordered a kick-ass new gaming PC. I can't wait for it to get here!

But I won't be using Windows 8 on it. Hah! Take that, Microsoft!
 
2013-04-12 08:04:08 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Except for the whole Windows 8 being bad.
There's nothing wrong with it. We're just experiencing a shift from a traditional PC to cellphone/tablets for most non-exacting work.

Do we really have to go from 1 MS bashing story a day to multiple?


Generally when I'm in the market for a new thing, if the best selling point compared to what I have now is "There's nothing wrong with it" through to "its not that bad" isn't exactly going to win me over.  Go make a better desktop experience rather then a 'not as bad as people say it is' one, microsoft shill.
 
2013-04-12 08:04:54 PM  
There's goddamn nothing wrong with goddamned Windows 8. It's the same as Windows 7, but faster, with better memory management and Direct X 11 support, and a ton of tweaks.

I've had it since launch. I haven't had to interact with Metro since the first few days. Since then I boot to my normal desktop and use a normal start menu courtesy of one of the dozens of free Windows tweaks that makes it happen.

If your only gripe is that you have to download a tiny file in order to get the same Start Menu to work with the better operating system, then you haven't used Windows much. When DIDN'T Windows need a few tweaks and downloads to get it to work how each individual prefers? Hell, don't you Windows XP luddites still have to download WinZip or 7Zip in order to even look at zipped files? Don't you need to download Flash, Java, and Acrobat Reader to get normal function with Windows XP and Vista? And you're complaining that Windows 8 (which has Flash, built-in zip handling, and built-in PDF reading) needs a tiny file to give back the Start Menu you're used to?

Boo hoo. Man up and upgrade already, you pussies.
 
2013-04-12 08:08:36 PM  
I do hate Windows 8, but the article's point is valid. Windows 8 is not keeping me from upgrading my computer, which is now three years old.

It's the fact that my computer's three year old, 3GHz quad-core processor, eight gigs of RAM, and once-upon-a-time high-end graphics card simply don't need to be replaced. I don't need more CPU power. I don't need more graphics power, at least not at 1920x1200, and I have no plans for a higher-resolution display, either.

A larger SSD is the only upgrade I'm contemplating, and I can put that off as long as I need.
 
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