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2013-04-12 08:02:19 PM  
meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.
 
2013-04-12 08:42:56 PM  
You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.
 
2013-04-12 09:23:14 PM  
Harvey's son wrote the note in January.

Call me crazy, but could this have been part of a basic lesson on Benjamin Franklin at around the time of his birthday?

"Give up liberty for safety, deserve neither, etc." - Benny Frankie
 
2013-04-12 09:25:54 PM  
On the interent, the people are represented by two distinct entities.

The First is the Herpers who drool on their keyboard.
The Second is the derpers who post FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: chain emails.

These are their stories.

-DUN DUN-
 
2013-04-12 09:27:57 PM  
Dear Dad,

mommy told me you like patriot ack. dat true?
 
2013-04-12 09:29:25 PM  

xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.


Actually, you can only have both. Giving up freedom for safety usually only gives you an illusion of safety; in reality it seldom makes you any safer and often puts you in more danger than before.

And yet this is what we've been raising people to do for decades.
 
2013-04-12 09:30:26 PM  
Go to the press and present yourself  as a true American standing up for the constitution as if it's some sort of patriot act.
 
2013-04-12 09:33:49 PM  
Lemme guess which 9 amendments in the Bill of Rights the father isn't concerned about (or aware of).

/ DNRTFA
 
2013-04-12 09:33:49 PM  
Tell that to them, little biatch!
media.al.com
 
2013-04-12 09:33:58 PM  
Hes not alone. He would have fit right in during W's first term
 
2013-04-12 09:34:50 PM  
I honestly don't get it.   Is he saying it was some kind of loyalty oath?
 
2013-04-12 09:35:12 PM  

xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.


Nice.
 
2013-04-12 09:36:10 PM  
wrights.
 
2013-04-12 09:38:53 PM  

xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.



Safety for who?
 
2013-04-12 09:39:06 PM  
I'd be more concerned that the kid is in 4th grade, and still writes with crayons.
 
2013-04-12 09:40:26 PM  

Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.


With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.
 
2013-04-12 09:41:01 PM  
You know who else thought this was a good idea...
 
2013-04-12 09:45:13 PM  
xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom. You cannot have both.

Bullshiat! I have a Gun. Therefore I am Safe and I am Free.
 
2013-04-12 09:49:43 PM  

hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.


The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.
 
2013-04-12 09:58:28 PM  
I mean, I would have said the same thing in fourth grade. What constitutional rights does a fourth-grader even have, really? You don't even have free speech 'cause your darned old MOM yells at you for saying HECK!
 
2013-04-12 09:58:40 PM  
You know where I learned it, Dad?  I learned it from YOU!

"You want free room and board, a roof, and protection?  DO IT MY WAY!"
 
2013-04-12 09:59:04 PM  

TommyymmoT: hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.



A "new Pearl Harbor"... a Newtown...

What's next?
 
2013-04-12 10:00:17 PM  

TommyymmoT: hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.


Ron Paul was one of the few people who voted against it of all people, which I guess is a redeeming factor for all the politicians who voted yea.
 
2013-04-12 10:00:27 PM  
TommyymmoT:

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.


Yep, 45 days after 9/11
 
2013-04-12 10:01:15 PM  

TommyymmoT: anyone even had a chance to read it.


like Obama care. Got it.
 
2013-04-12 10:01:24 PM  
Alright, what's the kids Farker handle?

TommyymmoT: Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.


From introduction to vote, it was about a month. There was plenty of time to read it. There's plenty of excuses from the Dems on why they supported it... none really good though.

The best part of it was that it was meant to be temporary as to face the unique situation of an extra-national terrorist group that was seemingly a worldwide challenge. How'd that temporary measure work out?
 
2013-04-12 10:02:11 PM  

Millennium: Actually, you can only have both.


That's why Somalia is one of the safest and freest places on earth.

Moron
 
2013-04-12 10:03:17 PM  

swangoatman: TommyymmoT: anyone even had a chance to read it.

like Obama  Romney care. Got it.

 
2013-04-12 10:03:27 PM  
It's interesting how "The right to bear arms" is applied to today's world. When it was written, the strongest weapon was a single shot musket. In today's world, does everyone have the right to carry around nukes? No that would be ridiculous because it is too dangerous. But the right to carry assault weapons that can mow down entire crowds, now that is protected!

And that's the view from Canada...
 
2013-04-12 10:04:05 PM  

hdhale: Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced


North Carolina: "We must lift the ban on religion in public places"
 
2013-04-12 10:04:39 PM  

hdhale: chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.


and Conservatives don't down play the 1st, overplay the 2nd and 10th and ignore the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th,14th, and 24th?

No one is a strict constitutionalists nor do they universally uphold the whole Constitution.

Strict constitutionalism was a conservative response of "waaaaaaa I no like Warren court! I know lets ignore the last 200 years of Judaical review by claiming it was wrong since only we know the deep dark secret of space what the founding fathers thought"
 
2013-04-12 10:04:58 PM  

TommyymmoT: hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.


Then it should have been rolled back during the following decade, as the Democrats claim to believe is proper. Gitmo should have been closed, the drones should have been grounded, and everyone wearing a homeland security shoulder patch should have been publicly flogged now that the war on terror is effectively over and won.

It won't happen because governments aren't in the habit of giving back the shiny new powers they create for themselves.
 
2013-04-12 10:05:23 PM  
If we give up our weapons (or they are taken) we will be neither safe nor free.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-12 10:07:42 PM  

TommyymmoT: hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.


Like the knee-jerk gun laws being shoved through now. In specific the NY law by Cuomo, that little coont.
/at midnight
//using a deplorable partisan tactic
 
2013-04-12 10:10:34 PM  

Mrbogey: Alright, what's the kids Farker handle?

TommyymmoT: Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.

From introduction to vote, it was about a month. There was plenty of time to read it. There's plenty of excuses from the Dems on why they supported it... none really good though.

The best part of it was that it was meant to be temporary as to face the unique situation of an extra-national terrorist group that was seemingly a worldwide challenge. How'd that temporary measure work out?


It was 342 pages long.
I've seen debates over single phrases, and paragraphs in various laws go on for weeks.
At a time when everybody was pretty well distracted, expecting another attack any day now, a month is not nearly enough time to analyse 342 pages of LAW.
It's not quite the same as having to read and submit a book report on Moby Dick.
 
2013-04-12 10:11:24 PM  
Kid's father goes nuts? Sounds like a terrist to me.
 
2013-04-12 10:11:39 PM  
Why is a 4th grader writing in crayon? In more than one color? Why does he have the penmanship of a Kindergartner?

OK maybe a 1st grader. But still, shouldn't he be printing legibly in pencil by the time he's 8 farking years old? Can he not tie his own shoes or successfully boil an egg, either?
 
2013-04-12 10:14:04 PM  

xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.


Really all you do when you trade freedom for safety is make yourself unsafe from the government.
 
2013-04-12 10:16:14 PM  

TommyymmoT: It was 342 pages long.
I've seen debates over single phrases, and paragraphs in various laws go on for weeks.
At a time when everybody was pretty well distracted, expecting another attack any day now, a month is not nearly enough time to analyse 342 pages of LAW.
It's not quite the same as having to read and submit a book report on Moby Dick.


Where have you been?

Almost every major law that gets run through is hundreds if not thousands of pages long.

gja: Like the knee-jerk gun laws being shoved through now. In specific the NY law by Cuomo, that little coont.
/at midnight
//using a deplorable partisan tactic


Yea, perfect example of a law shoved down the throat of the opposition with little to no debate. It went down so fast they've spent the last month repealing and re-issing changes because the law was so screwed up.
 
2013-04-12 10:17:07 PM  

way south: TommyymmoT: hdhale: Weaver95: meh.  authoritarians are silly people.  if this father REALLY gave a damn about government invasions of his rights, he'd vote against the GOP every chance he got.

With the understanding that the Patriot Act passed with a hell of a lot of Democrat votes, that Democrats love to pick and chose which Constitutional amendments they want enforced, find all sorts of extrapolated rights from those amendments when convenient, and defy even common sense interpretations when they don't fit their agenda.

In other words, Democrats are hypocrites.  They are all about pretending to respect liberty, then want to control everyone through a giant nanny state.  If you gave a damn about government invasions of your rights, you've vote for Libertarian candidates.  If you would rather keep slouching toward totalitarianism and eventual civil war, keep voting for the party that uses 'protecting the middle class' as a punch line for grabbing more money and more of the economy.

The Patriot Act was steamrolled through a midst the panic following 9/11.
Anyone that even dare question any part of it was accused of being an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer, and it was voted on before anyone even had a chance to read it.
I can assure you, it was written prior to 9/11 but they used the attack as an excuse to get it passed no questions asked.

Then it should have been rolled back during the following decade, as the Democrats claim to believe is proper. Gitmo should have been closed, the drones should have been grounded, and everyone wearing a homeland security shoulder patch should have been publicly flogged now that the war on terror is effectively over and won.

It won't happen because governments aren't in the habit of giving back the shiny new powers they create for themselves.


That was my first thought when they proposed it. I was also appalled at even the thought of something being created called "The Department Of Homeland Security.
It gave me chills, as I immediately thought of the Reichstag fire, and Germany in the 30s.
 
2013-04-12 10:18:40 PM  
Harvey, an army veteran, said he 'believes in an "unbiased education" where freedom of thought and opinion is valued and opposes any influence from  politics or religion.'

So I'm assuming that Mr. Harvey would not be ok with Ron Paul's home school curriculum that would indoctrinate students that the constitution has been hi-jacked.   So why would this be mentioned in the article?.
 
2013-04-12 10:21:28 PM  

willfullyobscure: Why is a 4th grader writing in crayon? In more than one color? Why does he have the penmanship of a Kindergartner?

OK maybe a 1st grader. But still, shouldn't he be printing legibly in pencil by the time he's 8 farking years old? Can he not tie his own shoes or successfully boil an egg, either?


Pssst... check the tag.
 
2013-04-12 10:22:34 PM  
all your rights, are belong to U.S. government
 
2013-04-12 10:22:53 PM  
At the mention of "freedom" you people immediately start crowing GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ!!!!  GUNZ!

Did anyone mention guns? No they did not.

LOL conservatives are impressionable rubes, the NRA is very pleased at you follow instructions LOL
 
2013-04-12 10:24:22 PM  

Don't Lag Me Bro: It's interesting how "The right to bear arms" is applied to today's world. When it was written, the strongest weapon was a single shot musket. In today's world, does everyone have the right to carry around nukes? No that would be ridiculous because it is too dangerous. But the right to carry assault weapons that can mow down entire crowds, now that is protected!

And that's the view from Canada...


It's interesting how "Freedom of the Press" is applied to today's world. When it was written, the best printing press was hand powered movable type. In today's world, does everyone have the right to own a high speed printing press? No that would be ridiculous because it is too subversive. But the right to Blog and mass distribute literature that can influence millions across the globe, now that is protected!

And that's the view from the US...
 
2013-04-12 10:24:51 PM  

xanadian: You can either choose safety or freedom.  You cannot have both.


Im pretty sure it is a sliding scale.

If not, are you calling for anarchy or asking to be made a safe slave?
 
2013-04-12 10:27:34 PM  
After reading the article, I'm 90% sure this is how it went down.


Visiting Attorney:  "Class, for instance, I want you to write on a piece of paper, "I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights..."".   "You can write whatever you like, be it to be safer, or more secure even", and the little asshat took it literally and wrote it down, hence the three colors of pencil on the paper.

I'm assuming if the kid would have written" I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights for nothing less than my life", the parent wouldn't have said shiat to the media, unless precious snowflake would have been reprimanded for such.
 
2013-04-12 10:30:47 PM  

jaytkay: At the mention of "freedom" you people immediately start crowing GUNZ GUNZ GUNZ!!!!  GUNZ!

Did anyone mention guns? No they did not.

LOL conservatives are impressionable rubes, the NRA is very pleased at you follow instructions LOL


Note, the first person in this thread to mention "gun" in relation to the story in a serious manner is jaytkay.

One person mentioned Newtown in relation to 9-11 and a few others mentioned gun laws in relation to the PATRIOT Act legislative timeframe. A poster though talked derisively about the Second Amendment.

The article itself doesn't have the family mentioning guns. Nobody asserted the teacher was attacking guns in either this article or the thread.

I would ask, "do you feel stupid" but that presumes a level of self-awareness I'm not entirely sure you possess.

the person talking about how
 
2013-04-12 10:30:52 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: willfullyobscure: Why is a 4th grader writing in crayon? In more than one color? Why does he have the penmanship of a Kindergartner?

OK maybe a 1st grader. But still, shouldn't he be printing legibly in pencil by the time he's 8 farking years old? Can he not tie his own shoes or successfully boil an egg, either?

Pssst... check the tag.


That's...incredibly sad. There really is no hope, is there, we really are breeding the Morlocks into existence as we speak.
 
2013-04-12 10:37:01 PM  

willfullyobscure: BarkingUnicorn: willfullyobscure: Why is a 4th grader writing in crayon? In more than one color? Why does he have the penmanship of a Kindergartner?

OK maybe a 1st grader. But still, shouldn't he be printing legibly in pencil by the time he's 8 farking years old? Can he not tie his own shoes or successfully boil an egg, either?

Pssst... check the tag.

That's...incredibly sad. There really is no hope, is there, we really are breeding the Morlocks into existence as we speak.


The Morlocks weren't the dumb ones. They were the cruel technologically developed ones. The Eloi were the dumb ones who couldn't read or write and relied on Morlocks for food.
 
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