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(Salon)   Pro-life supporters wonder why no media outlets are covering Dr. Kermit Gosnell's trial, fail to notice dozens of media outlets have been covering case since 2011   (salon.com) divider line 183
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2013-04-12 02:13:20 PM  
Warning: This report contains graphic pictures and is incredibly horrific.

Grand Jury Report, PDF
 
2013-04-12 02:15:59 PM  
Yeah but they're not engaging in christian-based political nonsense, so they're doing it wrong.

I don't suppose it has dawned on these "life supporters" that this is what illegal abortions look like.
 
2013-04-12 02:16:22 PM  
If you're surprised that in the face of politicized stigma, lack of public funding or good information, and a morass of restrictive laws allegedly meant to protect women, the vacuum was filled by a monster - well, the most generous thing I can say is that you haven't been paying attention.

...an interesting Law of Supply and Demand angle on the question.
 
2013-04-12 02:17:11 PM  
The Pro Life crowd shouldn't want people to hear about this. This is the inevitable result of making safe and legal abortions difficult to obtain.
 
2013-04-12 02:18:20 PM  
When people complain about the media not covering something, what they are really complaining about is the media that they consume. So when conservative fox news hosts complain, they are really complaining about fox news's coverage about the event.
 
2013-04-12 02:20:09 PM  
It's been front page news on CNN and (ms)NBC constantly.   If there's a coverup, it's not very effective.

I think the Fox style coverage of "scandals" like BENGHAZI has seriously warped the minds of far right wingers.  They seem to legitimately believe that if someone isn't screaming about it 24-7 for weeks on end even if there's no updates/changes then the story is being buried/ignored.  There's only two ways to view a story/happening; 100 percent mind numbing outrage or covering it up, there's nothing in between.
 
2013-04-12 02:20:23 PM  
I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.
 
2013-04-12 02:21:28 PM  
Right wingers to whom the world endlessly caters complaining about an imaginary conspiracy. Must be a day
 
2013-04-12 02:22:53 PM  
Let's have a moment of silence for the Benghazi chicken, which has been clearly f***ed beyond recognition as the right wing moves on to the next one.

Good night, sweet hen.
 
2013-04-12 02:23:22 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Right wingers to whom the world endlessly caters complaining about an imaginary conspiracy. Must be a day


Or night
 
2013-04-12 02:23:54 PM  

what_now: The Pro Life crowd shouldn't want people to hear about this. This is the inevitable result of making safe and legal abortions difficult to obtain.


Exactly.

That being said, most of the outlets I have read this story in have been feminist (pro-choice) outlets, not say, USA Today or NY Times or whatever. Probably because this was happening to poor minority women, not cute blondes from the suburbs.
 
2013-04-12 02:24:18 PM  

what_now: The Pro Life crowd shouldn't want people to hear about this. This is the inevitable result of making safe and legal abortions difficult to obtain.


Not if you muddy the waters and just viscerally make this about "what abortionists do".  Not enough people will sit through the explanation that "this is what back alley abortionists do because you obsess over the number of mop sinks and whether the doctors have privileges at local hospitals, and making sure that you have to hang a mobile for 72 hours before you can have an abortion"
 
2013-04-12 02:24:20 PM  
Personally I don't consider something news until I've had a chance to hear that precocious gal Nancy Grace's fresh take on it.
 
2013-04-12 02:24:38 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.


The argument, as another Farker seriously argued in a previous discussion, is that a rejection upon a total prohibition of abortion services logically necessitates condoning and legally excusing Dr. Gosnell's actions.
 
2013-04-12 02:24:42 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.


And for making sure people who are inevitably going to fark like bunnies can easily access and use birth control.
 
2013-04-12 02:25:30 PM  

BSABSVR: what_now: The Pro Life crowd shouldn't want people to hear about this. This is the inevitable result of making safe and legal abortions difficult to obtain.

Not if you muddy the waters and just viscerally make this about "what abortionists do".  Not enough people will sit through the explanation that "this is what back alley abortionists do because you obsess over the number of mop sinks and whether the doctors have privileges at local hospitals, and making sure that you have to hang a mobile for 72 hours before you can have an abortion"


Abortion providers are required to install Islamic foot-washing basins?
 
2013-04-12 02:25:55 PM  

Lollipop165: what_now: The Pro Life crowd shouldn't want people to hear about this. This is the inevitable result of making safe and legal abortions difficult to obtain.

Exactly.

That being said, most of the outlets I have read this story in have been feminist (pro-choice) outlets, not say, USA Today or NY Times or whatever. Probably because this was happening to poor minority women, not cute blondes from the suburbs.


Just like abortions!

(The cute blondes from the suburbs tend to take contraception seriously)
 
2013-04-12 02:26:09 PM  
Yes but to actually acknowledge that fact, let alone recognizes It, would not fit the established "persecution" narrative.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:28 PM  
I'm surprised the Right would come to a conclusion without the benefit of facts or evidence. I am equally surprised the Right would make a bare assertion without checking to see if said assertion is true.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:45 PM  

Lollipop165: Probably because this was happening to poor minority women, not cute blondes from the suburbs.


America in a nutshell.
 
2013-04-12 02:26:55 PM  

BunkoSquad: Let's have a moment of silence for the Benghazi chicken, which has been clearly f***ed beyond recognition as the right wing moves on to the next one.

Good night, sweet hen.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-12 02:28:43 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.


Well, no, because he was murdering babies long after abortions are legal in Pennsylvania.  Making abortions easier to get wasn't going to change the fact that he birthed live children and then killed them.
 
2013-04-12 02:29:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: It's been front page news on CNN and (ms)NBC constantly.   If there's a coverup, it's not very effective.

I think the Fox style coverage of "scandals" like BENGHAZI has seriously warped the minds of far right wingers.  They seem to legitimately believe that if someone isn't screaming about it 24-7 for weeks on end even if there's no updates/changes then the story is being buried/ignored.  There's only two ways to view a story/happening; 100 percent mind numbing outrage or covering it up, there's nothing in between.


All newspapers should be 1600 pages long and post updates to any and all minor and major news stories that have happened in the past year (in the case of minor, local stories) and 5 years in the case of national or international stories.  If this doesn't happen, then  the people running those newspapers have failed horribly as journalists and should feel bad, and it's Obama's fault.

/for younger farkers, a "newspaper" is just like a blog, only with yesterday's news and more papery
 
2013-04-12 02:31:00 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah but they're not engaging in christian-based political nonsense, so they're doing it wrong.

I don't suppose it has dawned on these "life supporters" that this is what illegal abortions look like.


I think either know and don't care or just don't care. Probably, they're going to try to flog the outrage about this one really shiatty, but particular and hopefully unique situation into a general groundswell of feeling against abortion generally.
 
2013-04-12 02:31:32 PM  

BunkoSquad: Let's have a moment of silence for the Benghazi chicken, which has been clearly f***ed beyond recognition as the right wing moves on to the next one.

Good night, sweet hen.


Well. That's the wrong thread.
 
2013-04-12 02:31:37 PM  
I accidentally a few words there. "...either THEY know..." etc.
 
2013-04-12 02:32:48 PM  

Dog Welder: All newspapers should be 1600 pages long and post updates to any and all minor and major news stories that have happened in the past year (in the case of minor, local stories) and 5 years in the case of national or international stories. If this doesn't happen, then the people running those newspapers have failed horribly as journalists and should feel bad, and it's Obama's fault.


1600 pages?

That sounds like a lot of queer ass readin' son. You ain't one o' them readers, is you?
 
2013-04-12 02:33:38 PM  

what_now: BunkoSquad: Let's have a moment of silence for the Benghazi chicken, which has been clearly f***ed beyond recognition as the right wing moves on to the next one.

Good night, sweet hen.

Well. That's the wrong thread.


can abortion have a chicken too

something something scrambled eggs
 
2013-04-12 02:35:57 PM  

DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.


And that is the rub. They like stuff like this because it creates the boogie man of abortion. So now they can make him the face of abortion whether it is legal or not. If they are arguing against legal abortion they can hold him up and say this is what abortion doctors do. If abortion is illegal they can scare women out of seeking an illegal abortion by saying because it is under ground now, this is the kind of abortion doctors that are out there.
 
2013-04-12 02:37:00 PM  

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.

Well, no, because he was murdering babies long after abortions are legal in Pennsylvania.  Making abortions easier to get wasn't going to change the fact that he birthed live children and then killed them.


Most well-to-do women don't go to places like Planned Parenthood to get abortions; they are recommended a private doctor by their gynecologists.

Young and poor women tend to go to PP as they rarely have a private gyno. PA went from 22 PP's to 13 in recent years leading women to seek alternatives. Abortions can be expensive - it is not uncommon for poor women to wait longer than recommended because they have to save up for the abortion. And Gosnell was willing to do it, so long as he got paid.  In addition, a few of his clients complained that the protesters at their local PP scared them which also led them to Gosnell.

Without safe, affordable and easy to access options, these women turned to a monster to help them. Making abortion easier would have stopped that.
 
2013-04-12 02:37:52 PM  

and Natasha: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah but they're not engaging in christian-based political nonsense, so they're doing it wrong.

I don't suppose it has dawned on these "life supporters" that this is what illegal abortions look like.

I think either know and don't care or just don't care. Probably, they're going to try to flog the outrage about this one really shiatty, but particular and hopefully unique situation into a general groundswell of feeling against abortion generally.


There have been folks spamming the Facebook page of the local TV stations here and when I mention that banning abortions would result in more of these happening, I never get a response back from them.
 
2013-04-12 02:39:10 PM  

Lsherm: DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.

Well, no, because he was murdering babies long after abortions are legal in Pennsylvania.  Making abortions easier to get wasn't going to change the fact that he birthed live children and then killed them.


Yes it would. Because if you could get a safe abortion at any hospital or medical clinic, you wouldn't have to go to a sketchy guy like this.
 
2013-04-12 02:39:58 PM  
If the "pro lifers" would allow abortions to be performed in hospitals (like most civilized countries), then things like this would not happen.

If you're anti-abortion, this debacle is all your fault.
 
2013-04-12 02:40:35 PM  
this is one of the most disgusting (and that's saying something) of the rightwing propaganda techniques, "it's received no coverage, the MSM is biased" (punctuated by "where is the outrage?"). often some idiot will alert us poor brainwashed media consumers to something that's "receiving no coverage" by linking to ... an article about it.

often used on human rights organizations. "where is amnesty international when it comes to abuses committed by (your favorite rightwing bugbear here)" without checking the amnesty page where there will be a full dossier on (said bugbear).

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it makes me mad.
 
2013-04-12 02:42:19 PM  

mentula: this is one of the most disgusting (and that's saying something) of the rightwing propaganda techniques, "it's received no coverage, the MSM is biased" (punctuated by "where is the outrage?"). often some idiot will alert us poor brainwashed media consumers to something that's "receiving no coverage" by linking to ... an article about it.

often used on human rights organizations. "where is amnesty international when it comes to abuses committed by (your favorite rightwing bugbear here)" without checking the amnesty page where there will be a full dossier on (said bugbear).

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it makes me mad.


I'm trolling the people spamming the facebook pages of the local TV station by saying that using the same logic they're apparently using, banning guns in Chicago should've reduced gun violence.

I can't wait for the response.
 
2013-04-12 02:43:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If the "pro lifers" would allow abortions to be performed in hospitals (like most civilized countries), then things like this would not happen.

If you're anti-abortion, this debacle is all your fault.


I suppose if you allowed them only in hospitals and didn't allow them in private clinics, sure.  There's nothing to say this guy still wouldn't have set up shop somewhere and done the same thing under the radar for years.  Lots of unscrupulous doctors set up clinics to do illegal things ("pill mills" and the like), although most of them aren't nearly this grim.
 
2013-04-12 02:43:21 PM  

what_now: Lsherm: DamnYankees: I don't understand this story at all. Isn't the basic lesson here that making abortion hard to get leads to this kind of stuff? This is an argument for safe, legal abortion.

Well, no, because he was murdering babies long after abortions are legal in Pennsylvania.  Making abortions easier to get wasn't going to change the fact that he birthed live children and then killed them.

Yes it would. Because if you could get a safe abortion at any hospital or medical clinic, you wouldn't have to go to a sketchy guy like this.


And if contraception was provided, if sex ed was non-retarded, if we cared as much about post-birth fetuses as we do about pre-birth...

If, if if.

SSDD
 
2013-04-12 02:46:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: and Natasha: HotWingConspiracy: Yeah but they're not engaging in christian-based political nonsense, so they're doing it wrong.

I don't suppose it has dawned on these "life supporters" that this is what illegal abortions look like.

I think either know and don't care or just don't care. Probably, they're going to try to flog the outrage about this one really shiatty, but particular and hopefully unique situation into a general groundswell of feeling against abortion generally.

There have been folks spamming the Facebook page of the local TV stations here and when I mention that banning abortions would result in more of these happening, I never get a response back from them.


It's unlikely that you'll change any minds, but I hope you do. Godspeed, sir. I salute you.
 
2013-04-12 02:46:11 PM  

Lost Thought 00: When people complain about the media not covering something, what they are really complaining about is the media that they consume. So when conservative fox news hosts complain, they are really complaining about fox news's coverage about the event.



Actually, I'd say it's more like what they REALLY mean is "Why does no one think the shiat I care about is as important as I do?

It's getting the coverage, just few people are drawing the same conclusions as they are.
 
2013-04-12 02:48:26 PM  
I'm pro-choice and, to be fair, I haven't really seen much of this. Yes, some outlets have written stories, but it hasn't been a splash banner story on CNN. This is pretty farking sick. It deserves equal coverage as that freakshow in the Aurora theater. Is anyone honestly going to try to claim that this guy has been mentioned as often and conspicuously as the Aurora shooter?
 
2013-04-12 02:48:27 PM  

Aarontology: Dog Welder: All newspapers should be 1600 pages long and post updates to any and all minor and major news stories that have happened in the past year (in the case of minor, local stories) and 5 years in the case of national or international stories. If this doesn't happen, then the people running those newspapers have failed horribly as journalists and should feel bad, and it's Obama's fault.

1600 pages?

That sounds like a lot of queer ass readin' son. You ain't one o' them readers, is you?


Didn't say people should READ those things, just that they should be 1600 pages long and cover all the angles no matter how obscure or outdated.
 
2013-04-12 02:48:32 PM  

Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: If the "pro lifers" would allow abortions to be performed in hospitals (like most civilized countries), then things like this would not happen.

If you're anti-abortion, this debacle is all your fault.

I suppose if you allowed them only in hospitals and didn't allow them in private clinics, sure.  There's nothing to say this guy still wouldn't have set up shop somewhere and done the same thing under the radar for years.  Lots of unscrupulous doctors set up clinics to do illegal things ("pill mills" and the like), although most of them aren't nearly this grim.


If they were safe and legal, there would be no need to visit some sketchy quack in the run down part of town.  Not saying they wouldn't be out there, but right now a sketchy doctor is the only avenue left.  All thanks to the crazed anti-abortion crowd.
 
2013-04-12 02:48:53 PM  

mongbiohazard: Lost Thought 00: When people complain about the media not covering something, what they are really complaining about is the media that they consume. So when conservative fox news hosts complain, they are really complaining about fox news's coverage about the event.


Actually, I'd say it's more like what they REALLY mean is "Why does no one think the shiat I care about is as important as I do?

It's getting the coverage, just few people are drawing the same conclusions as they are.


Exactly. It's getting coverage as a crime story, like any crime story involving inner city poor people - i.e., not much. Conservatives are upset that this crime story is not being specifically elevated to a political story, and as far as I can tell, without any basis.
 
2013-04-12 02:49:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: This is pretty farking sick. It deserves equal coverage as that freakshow in the Aurora theater. Is anyone honestly going to try to claim that this guy has been mentioned as often and conspicuously as the Aurora shooter?


No, but how often are murders of inner city poor people mentioned as often and conspiciously as mass killings? Answer: pretty much never.
 
2013-04-12 02:50:38 PM  

Tommy Moo: but it hasn't been a splash banner story on CNN.


CNN: 6 segments
Fox News: 3 segments
CBS: 2 segments
ABC: 1
NBC News: 0

Link
 
2013-04-12 02:53:01 PM  

Dr Dreidel: And if contraception was provided


Contraception education and supplies should be mandatory and provided by the government.  I realize that will never happen, but it would cut out a lot of this nonsense.

what_now: Yes it would. Because if you could get a safe abortion at any hospital or medical clinic, you wouldn't have to go to a sketchy guy like this.


It would help the women who had otherwise legal abortions and, by all accounts, got reprehensible service.  But it wouldn't help those that were getting them after 24 weeks.
 
2013-04-12 02:53:11 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nabb1: Marcus Aurelius: If the "pro lifers" would allow abortions to be performed in hospitals (like most civilized countries), then things like this would not happen.

If you're anti-abortion, this debacle is all your fault.

I suppose if you allowed them only in hospitals and didn't allow them in private clinics, sure.  There's nothing to say this guy still wouldn't have set up shop somewhere and done the same thing under the radar for years.  Lots of unscrupulous doctors set up clinics to do illegal things ("pill mills" and the like), although most of them aren't nearly this grim.

If they were safe and legal, there would be no need to visit some sketchy quack in the run down part of town.  Not saying they wouldn't be out there, but right now a sketchy doctor is the only avenue left.  All thanks to the crazed anti-abortion crowd.


Abortions are not legal in Philadelphia?
 
2013-04-12 02:53:32 PM  
Oh goddammit. If there was any f*cking lack of coverage it was from right leaning sources to begin with.

Also, bet y'all they knew it. Just like everyone has remarked upon concerning this story is that THIS is exactly what happens when you make legal abortion harder to obtain.

Motherf*ckers.
 
2013-04-12 02:54:18 PM  
CNN Headline covers the Arias trial almost 24/7 while this one barely gets a mention.
 
2013-04-12 02:56:15 PM  

bulok: CNN Headline covers the Arias trial almost 24/7 while this one barely gets a mention.


HLN stopped being a news channel a long time ago.
 
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