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(MassLive)   $147M pitcher breaks clavicle after brawl. I wonder if there are any pills to help him recover   (masslive.com) divider line 38
    More: Dumbass, Zack Greinke, Padres, Dodgers, Carlos Quentin, Juan Uribe, American League, Cy Young Award, Chris Capuano  
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2013-04-12 11:03:12 AM  
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2013-04-12 11:03:49 AM  
Yeah, I know...but it was a Q&D for the other thread about the same thing.
 
2013-04-12 11:06:33 AM  
Are you sure it wasn't during?
 
2013-04-12 11:08:15 AM  
Hmmm.... why should Quentin be out as long as Greinke? Greinke didn't have to play beanball.

If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?
 
2013-04-12 11:08:49 AM  
I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.
 
2013-04-12 11:10:58 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.


And since he would've gone to first even if he avoided it (full count pitch), it would've been smarter to. Unless he wanted to act all Billy Badass because he sucks and his team sucks and they basically have nothing going for them.
 
2013-04-12 11:12:51 AM  

LesserEvil: Hmmm.... why should Quentin be out as long as Greinke? Greinke didn't have to play beanball.

If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?


"Beanball"? Dude plunks a batter on the elbow on a 3-2 count in the 6th inning of a 1 run game, and it's "Beanball"?

Have you ever watched a game of baseball before?
 
2013-04-12 11:13:53 AM  

LesserEvil: Hmmm.... why should Quentin be out as long as Greinke? Greinke didn't have to play beanball.

If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?


One run game in the sixth inning on a full count? I'm guessing he wasn't playing beanball.
 
2013-04-12 11:15:06 AM  

LesserEvil: Hmmm.... why should Quentin be out as long as Greinke? Greinke didn't have to play beanball.

If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?


The person with the most HBP charges the mound based on a shabby excuse of non-existent bad blood and breaks the pitcher's collarbone when all he had to do per his job description was walk to first base.  Given Quentin's history of leaning in and being hit by pitches, I doubt we can legitimately say Greinke was playing beanball.

He should sit until he's learned you can't just go beating up someone because of bad baseball.  Leave the punishment to the umpires if any is going to come.  Unfortunately for Greinke, it's not so simple now.
 
2013-04-12 11:16:00 AM  
Never hit the same guy three times.  And if you do, don't smart off about it.  And if you do, don't hockey check him.  And if you do, don't lead with your pitching shoulder.
 
2013-04-12 11:16:10 AM  
Quentin seems like a giant bag o' dicks.
 
2013-04-12 11:16:48 AM  

babysealclubber: LesserEvil: Hmmm.... why should Quentin be out as long as Greinke? Greinke didn't have to play beanball.

If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?

One run game in the sixth inning on a full count? I'm guessing he wasn't playing beanball.


Or, you know, when there's like 6 million games in a regular season, and they don't really mean all that much, he took a shot at trying to get into Quentin's head to fark with him a bit and back him down in future games.  It's all speculation as to what Greinke was trying to do.  I personally find it hard to believe that a guy that is that good of a pitcher lets one get that far away from him in a tight game without it being on purpose.  But maybe that's just me.
 
2013-04-12 11:17:28 AM  

drewbob21: Never hit the same guy three times.  And if you do, don't smart off about it.  And if you do, don't hockey check him.  And if you do, don't lead with your pitching shoulder.


Easier said than done considering Quentin hangs all over the plate. There's a reason he's been hit 116 times.
 
2013-04-12 11:18:19 AM  
At least Dodger fans are mild tempered and rational enough so that there won't be any issues in the stands with the padres visiting in 3 days.
 
2013-04-12 11:18:59 AM  

SubBass49: It's all speculation as to what Greinke was trying to do.


FFS the pitch was maybe 3 inches off the plate.
 
2013-04-12 11:19:57 AM  

SubBass49: Or, you know, when there's like 6 million games in a regular season, and they don't really mean all that much, he took a shot at trying to get into Quentin's head to fark with him a bit and back him down in future games. It's all speculation as to what Greinke was trying to do. I personally find it hard to believe that a guy that is that good of a pitcher lets one get that far away from him in a tight game without it being on purpose. But maybe that's just me.


Not buying it in that situation.

It doesn't help that Quentin crowds the plate and made no effort to get out of the way. He wanted to get hit and look like a badass.
 
2013-04-12 11:20:59 AM  

bangmaid: At least Dodger fans are mild tempered and rational enough so that there won't be any issues in the stands with the padres visiting in 3 days.


You couldn't pay me to go to that game.

/couldn't pay me to go to most baseball games anyway, but that's beside the point.
 
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2013-04-12 11:23:27 AM  
6 months from now Greinke's head will need a hat two size bigger....
 
2013-04-12 11:23:49 AM  

SubBass49: he took a shot at trying to get into Quentin's head to fark with him a bit and back him down in future games.


Oh, and BTW, pitchers are supposed to be doing this, especially with people that crowd the plate. You can't crowd the plate and then get indignant when people throw inside and hit or nearly hit you.

What's even more obnoxious about baseball is that hitters consistently crowd the plate, then complain about inside pitches and start fights, then complain about pitches off the outside corner being called strikes. You have to give the pitchers SOMEwhere that they can get a strike, FFS.
 
2013-04-12 11:24:36 AM  

KiwDaWabbit: I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.


yep.  he's a plate diver.  been hit more than any other hitter in MLB the last few years.
 
2013-04-12 11:27:00 AM  

babysealclubber: drewbob21: Never hit the same guy three times.  And if you do, don't smart off about it.  And if you do, don't hockey check him.  And if you do, don't lead with your pitching shoulder.

Easier said than done considering Quentin hangs all over the plate. There's a reason he's been hit 116 times.


/Copied from the other thread...

Quentin only has 2796 plate appearances to go with those 116 HBPs for 4.15% which leads all active players. Reed Johnson is second at 3.30%, and only a handful of active players are over 2%.

I'd day that qualifies him as being a serial plate leaner.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:55 AM  

Cheesehead_Dave: babysealclubber: drewbob21: Never hit the same guy three times.  And if you do, don't smart off about it.  And if you do, don't hockey check him.  And if you do, don't lead with your pitching shoulder.

Easier said than done considering Quentin hangs all over the plate. There's a reason he's been hit 116 times.

/Copied from the other thread...

Quentin only has 2796 plate appearances to go with those 116 HBPs for 4.15% which leads all active players. Reed Johnson is second at 3.30%, and only a handful of active players are over 2%.

I'd day that qualifies him as being a serial plate leaner.


A friend of mine called him this generations Ron Hunt
 
2013-04-12 11:30:31 AM  

LesserEvil: If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?


If it was intentional, then yes. But I also think that intentional acts of violence should be handled by the justice system like the crimes that they are. This crap doesn't belong in the game. Anyone involved in a bench clearing brawl should get an immediate 7 game suspension. If that means calling up your entire AAA team, then so be it. The same goes for all sports but hockey. :)
 
2013-04-12 11:32:10 AM  

IAmRight: KiwDaWabbit: I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.

And since he would've gone to first even if he avoided it (full count pitch), it would've been smarter to. Unless he wanted to act all Billy Badass because he sucks and his team sucks and they basically have nothing going for them.


Which is why he should be suspended for at least the length of Greinke's injury.  In fact, that's a rule I generally advocate in all sports: If another player is injured as the result of your illegal action, you're suspended for the length of their injury at a minimum. You end a guy's season on an illegal hit, you're done for the year, too. If you end a guy's career on an illegal hit, well...
 
2013-04-12 11:34:24 AM  

NewWorldDan: LesserEvil: If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?

If it was intentional, then yes. But I also think that intentional acts of violence should be handled by the justice system like the crimes that they are. This crap doesn't belong in the game. Anyone involved in a bench clearing brawl should get an immediate 7 game suspension. If that means calling up your entire AAA team, then so be it. The same goes for all sports but hockey. :)


Agreed.

I don't think beanball has any place in baseball. You can pitch inside, and let the batter whine... but hitting a batter? I think the umpire should be allowed to call a strike on a batter who crowds the plate, which would solve that problem, right?

Of course, in this case, the incident came up because the Padres threw a 'warning' pitch at a Dodger batter. The whole thing is dumb. Both teams were unsportsmanlike and stupid.
 
2013-04-12 11:54:36 AM  

IlGreven: IAmRight: KiwDaWabbit: I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.

And since he would've gone to first even if he avoided it (full count pitch), it would've been smarter to. Unless he wanted to act all Billy Badass because he sucks and his team sucks and they basically have nothing going for them.

Which is why he should be suspended for at least the length of Greinke's injury.  In fact, that's a rule I generally advocate in all sports: If another player is injured as the result of your illegal action, you're suspended for the length of their injury at a minimum. You end a guy's season on an illegal hit, you're done for the year, too. If you end a guy's career on an illegal hit, well...


That's a big no-can-do. Star player injures a scrub on a rival? Sit the scrub forever with "lingering issues". Bye bye star.
 
2013-04-12 11:58:16 AM  

Decillion: IlGreven: IAmRight: KiwDaWabbit: I'm no expert, but it looked like the batter could have avoided that pitch with relative ease.

And since he would've gone to first even if he avoided it (full count pitch), it would've been smarter to. Unless he wanted to act all Billy Badass because he sucks and his team sucks and they basically have nothing going for them.

Which is why he should be suspended for at least the length of Greinke's injury.  In fact, that's a rule I generally advocate in all sports: If another player is injured as the result of your illegal action, you're suspended for the length of their injury at a minimum. You end a guy's season on an illegal hit, you're done for the year, too. If you end a guy's career on an illegal hit, well...

That's a big no-can-do. Star player injures a scrub on a rival? Sit the scrub forever with "lingering issues". Bye bye star.


Well, then, a couple of caveats: the first is that the suspension lasts until a doctor clears a player to practice, and two: no injury-related suspension lasts longer than one calendar year.

On the other hand, if your star player is making illegal hits on scrub players just 'cuz he can, he deserves that year off.
 
2013-04-12 12:07:14 PM  

NewWorldDan: LesserEvil: If Greinke put Quentin out of action with a beanball, would Mattingly want Greinke to sit out until Quentin came back?

If it was intentional, then yes. But I also think that intentional acts of violence should be handled by the justice system like the crimes that they are. This crap doesn't belong in the game. Anyone involved in a bench clearing brawl should get an immediate 7 game suspension. If that means calling up your entire AAA team, then so be it. The same goes for all sports but hockey. :)


Let's put soccer in the mix, too. Encouraging some sort of activity on the pitch is always good. Hey, then we could have penalty boxes, too...
 
2013-04-12 12:20:32 PM  
IlGreven:
Which is why he should be suspended for at least the length of Greinke's injury.  In fact, that's a rule I generally advocate in all sports: If another player is injured as the result of your illegal action, you're suspended for the length of their injury at a minimum. You end a guy's season on an illegal hit, you're done for the year, too. If you end a guy's career on an illegal hit, well...

You're not a Red's fan, are you?
 
2013-04-12 12:21:46 PM  

cbecker333: You're not a Red's Reds fan, are you?


Damnit
 
2013-04-12 12:27:08 PM  

cbecker333: cbecker333: You're not a Red's Reds fan, are you?

Damnit


Johnny Cueto's kicking like a little biatch back in the 2010 Reds/Cardinal brawl is still funny. I'm sure ending Jason LaRue's career was well worth it.
 
2013-04-12 12:29:44 PM  

mjohnson71: cbecker333: cbecker333: You're not a Red's Reds fan, are you?

Damnit

Johnny Cueto's kicking like a little biatch back in the 2010 Reds/Cardinal brawl is still funny. I'm sure ending Jason LaRue's career was well worth it.


Damn...you beat me to it.

Go Cards!
 
2013-04-12 12:39:37 PM  
I hope Quentin gets his head taken off in the next game.  Apparently you don't stop being a biatch when you leave the White Sox.
 
2013-04-12 12:42:32 PM  
BAH GAWD KING! THAT MAN HAS A FAMILY TO FEED!
 
2013-04-12 12:44:01 PM  
What the hell, man? The dude is a diver, a 3-2 count, a one run game... the Padres have NOTHING to back this up. MLB should do Quinten a favor and suspend him through the three game set in LA. Otherwise LAPD should charge the Padres for all the extra overtime protection the Padres team bus will need.
 
2013-04-12 12:54:34 PM  
Greinke really shouldn't have lowered his shoulder when Quentin came charging at him. He should have gone for the hip toss or stepped aside or maybe put a leg out to send Q to the mat.

/you're not playing football, idiot
 
2013-04-13 12:28:13 AM  

regindyn: I hope Quentin gets his head taken off in the next game.  Apparently you don't stop being a biatch when you leave the White Sox.


Sure, and enjoy the lifetime ban that comes with it.  You think anything will be tolerated happening in the next game?  Not likely.  While hockey fans eat this shiat up (I should know, I'm one of 'em), MLB sees this as a black eye for the sport.  They want their squeaky clean image restored.  Any headhunting against Quentin will likely be dealt with very heavily.
 
2013-04-13 12:29:49 AM  
On the upside, this actually has made baseball outside of the World Series interesting for once...
 
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