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2013-04-12 10:04:15 AM
Cowards.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-12 10:06:01 AM
Just like with the Blacks and the Mexicans?
 
2013-04-12 10:12:48 AM
Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, quickly accused Republicans of "throwing the party's social conservatives overboard" and has since urged social conservatives to stop donating to the Republican Party.

Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?
 
2013-04-12 10:14:35 AM

scottydoesntknow: Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, quickly accused Republicans of "throwing the party's social conservatives overboard" and has since urged social conservatives to stop donating to the Republican Party.

Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?


Because two boys kissing is icky.
 
2013-04-12 10:19:30 AM
I feel loved.
 
2013-04-12 10:20:39 AM

scottydoesntknow: Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, quickly accused Republicans of "throwing the party's social conservatives overboard" and has since urged social conservatives to stop donating to the Republican Party.

Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?


Because the Republican party needs the money and votes from social conservatives?
 
2013-04-12 10:23:22 AM
As I've said plenty of times, there will be no GOP civil war.
 
2013-04-12 10:31:26 AM
The GOP will either continue their campaign of hostility towards women, gays, and minorities and thereby keep the religious right but fall ever further into minority status, or they will reach out to women, gays, and minorities, and thereby lose the religious right and fall ever further into minority status.

Either way, I hope that a new opposition party rises to take their place.  I don't want to live in a one party state.  I just hope that the new opposition party decides not to cater to the insane and stupid like the GOP does.
 
2013-04-12 10:36:51 AM

FloydA: The GOP will either continue their campaign of hostility towards women, gays, and minorities and thereby keep the religious right but fall ever further into minority status, or they will reach out to women, gays, and minorities, and thereby lose the religious right and fall ever further into minority status.

Either way, I hope that a new opposition party rises to take their place.  I don't want to live in a one party state.  I just hope that the new opposition party decides not to cater to the insane and stupid like the GOP does.


Perhaps the potential death of the modern Republican party would bring about change in the two party system?  Perhaps some sort of proportional representation with a multi-party system?

I can dream.
 
2013-04-12 10:40:24 AM

FloydA: The GOP will either continue their campaign of hostility towards women, gays, and minorities and thereby keep the religious right but fall ever further into minority status, or they will reach out to women, gays, and minorities, and thereby lose the religious right and fall ever further into minority status.

Either way, I hope that a new opposition party rises to take their place.  I don't want to live in a one party state.  I just hope that the new opposition party decides not to cater to the insane and stupid like the GOP does.


It's like the Democratic party realized during the '64 convention: you could either continue to embrace the white southern racists in your party , and piss off al the minorities in your coalition,  or you were going to have to tell the good ol boys to pound sand and make it clear they were really welcome anymore.  It Hurt the dems to be sure, but they counted noses (and perhaps consulted their consciences since I don't want to be completely cynical) and made the hard choice and forced a decisive break with that part of their constituency.

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.
 
2013-04-12 10:46:27 AM
Pandering out of both sides of their mouth.  That's nice.
 
2013-04-12 11:07:48 AM
Why is anyoen surprised?

This is the same part that ini 2010 said they wouldn't focus on social issues because it's all about the economy economy economy and then proceeded to try and introduce something like 400 bills on social issues.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-04-12 11:08:09 AM
Magorn:

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.

The problem is that they need the rednecks.  The Democrats got a lot of Liberal Republicans and Blacks after they rejected the Southern Democrats.  What will the GOP replace them with?

No matter how much money they get from the wealthy and from special interests, they still need voters.
 
2013-04-12 11:15:39 AM
Something, something, laser-like focus on jobs...
 
2013-04-12 11:21:08 AM
Cythraul:

Perhaps the potential death of the modern Republican party would bring about change in the two party system?  Perhaps some sort of proportional representation with a multi-party system?

I can dream.


That would certainly be a step in the right direction. I'd like to see "instant runoff" voting adopted around the US, as I think that's what's going to be necessary to make multiple parties viable.  The Democratic leadership don't tend to like that idea any more than the Republicans do, however, so I don't have high hopes.
 
2013-04-12 11:28:17 AM

Aarontology: Why is anyoen surprised?

This is the same part that ini 2010 said they wouldn't focus on social issues because it's all about the economy economy economy and then proceeded to try and introduce something like 400 bills on social issues.


34 failed attempts to repeal Obamacare at last count.
 
2013-04-12 11:34:35 AM

scottydoesntknow: Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?


They don't want his ooze to stain the carpet?
 
2013-04-12 11:35:08 AM

Cythraul: scottydoesntknow: Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, quickly accused Republicans of "throwing the party's social conservatives overboard" and has since urged social conservatives to stop donating to the Republican Party.

Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?

Because the Republican party needs the money and votes from social conservatives?


They're giving up on gays. Publicly. And there will always be a few assholes - like the more overtly racist state-level Republicans - who will say things.

However, the GOP has found a new way to go after abortion - making any facility that provides the service have to be (for all intents and purposes) a hospital. So they're giving up on their second-favorite issue, but they still have abortion and guns are now back in the #2 spot, replacing the gays.
 
2013-04-12 11:37:17 AM
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2013-04-12 11:39:43 AM

GAT_00: As I've said plenty of times, there will be no GOP civil war.


I dunno, I think it's already on. There is a scrum for cash going on right now. Someone has to win and someone has to lose.
 
2013-04-12 11:45:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: Cythraul: scottydoesntknow: Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, quickly accused Republicans of "throwing the party's social conservatives overboard" and has since urged social conservatives to stop donating to the Republican Party.

Why does anyone give this hate-monger a box to stand on?

Because the Republican party needs the money and votes from social conservatives?

They're giving up on gays. Publicly. And there will always be a few assholes - like the more overtly racist state-level Republicans - who will say things.


I have not seen much evidence that they're giving up the fight against gay rights publicly. If I'm not mistaken, it was a part of the Republican presidential platform for Romney. And the fight to 'protect marriage' was mentioned by a couple of key speakers at CPAC. Although these events may be decades ago in politics-time.

And I'm not even sure that they have the option to publicly give up on their fight against marriage equality. In the following months as SCOTUS comes closer to a decision on Prop 8 and DOMA, journalists will hound Republican leaders individually over the issue. And any negative soundbites will of course to aired as evidence of the party's position as a whole, whether true or not.

Also, they may have given up on gay marriage, but there are other gay rights issues coming down the pipe that the Republican party may want to use to empower their base, such as protection in the work place and adoption rights.

However, the GOP has found a new way to go after abortion - making any facility that provides the service have to be (for all intents and purposes) a hospital. So they're giving up on their second-favorite issue, but they still have abortion and guns are now back in the #2 spot, replacing the gays.

Although I am for a woman's right to choose, I'm so mentally exhausted of this fight I'm ready to throw up my hands and go, "Okay pro 'life' people, you win."

I wonder if it's not an effort to force the issue back to the Supreme Court again in hopes of getting a pro-life ruling.
 
2013-04-12 11:46:02 AM
One perspective, for the non-retarded socially conservative GOPer, is to consider that maybe when no one wants to represent you or your antiquated beliefs, it might be time to grow up and not be such a bigoted asshole.  But who am I kidding, you are a retard!  So, come up with your third party solutions and keep pushing yourself further into the fringe, you degenerate f*ckfaced pieces of sh*t.
 
2013-04-12 11:48:07 AM

GAT_00: As I've said plenty of times, there will be no GOP civil war.


There were two "Republican" responses to the State of the Union adress this year.
There already is a GOP civil war on.
 
2013-04-12 11:51:18 AM
Republicans are not abandoning their principles, Day insisted, they are merely communicating their values in a different way.

Please, proceed.
 
2013-04-12 11:53:56 AM

Cythraul: Although these events may be decades ago in politics-time.


Pretty much. When you have a majority of US Senators on board, including a few Republicans, the issue is Mostly Dead (the only Miracle Pill that can save it is 5 people in black dresses in DC). I think we're all surprised at how much of a watershed moment those 4 state referenda were in terms of the national conversation, but yeah - November may as well have been 1993.

Cythraul: they may have given up on gay marriage, but there are other gay rights issues coming down the pipe that the Republican party may want to use to empower their base, such as protection in the work place and adoption rights.


*sigh* Too true. I can only hope SCOTUS rules that sexual orientation is immutable, meaning a state would have to show a damn good reason for making these laws.

Cythraul: Although I am for a woman's right to choose, I'm so mentally exhausted of this fight I'm ready to throw up my hands and go, "Okay pro 'life' people, you win."

I wonder if it's not an effort to force the issue back to the Supreme Court again in hopes of getting a pro-life ruling.


Yes and yes. However, this armchair-law-following-guy doesn't think SCOTUS will reverse 40 years of precedent that frowns on such chilling-effect laws. Singling out abortion or abortion clinics as somehow special or different from the 1,001 other outpatient procedures (like getting your wisdom teeth out) may be what bites them.

// really miffed that they've got VA as the next place in their sights
 
2013-04-12 12:00:52 PM
vpb: The problem is that they need the rednecks.

Actually, the real problem is that they need *support* from the voters as a whole.  They *think* they need it from the rednecks, as you put it.

They are too stupid, or cowardly, or evil, pick your own mix of those, to see that abandoning 10 votes from a small (and shrinking) base for the sake of picking up 100 votes if they grow a spine, wise up, and serve the *country* rather than the *party* would be a long-term benefit.

As has been pointed out many, many times, this is what happens when a country's educational system is methodically dismantled over generations.  Church, business, and government forces have tried, mostly successfully, to dumb down the country because they wanted easily-led techno-peasants who could keep them living a luxurious lifestyle and in power over the masses.  Now they're getting the unintended consequences - idiots electing other idiots, and the whole structure is in peril of crumbling.
 
2013-04-12 12:01:31 PM

vpb: Magorn:

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.

The problem is that they need the rednecks.  The Democrats got a lot of Liberal Republicans and Blacks after they rejected the Southern Democrats.  What will the GOP replace them with?

No matter how much money they get from the wealthy and from special interests, they still need voters.


Well that's the funny thing: Hispanics generally, and the more relgious part of the black community, are natural "cultural Republicans"  and on social issues their belief ally with the GOP's.  Its an indicator of just how badly the GOP has screwed the pooch that they can't get either group to even give them the time of day when  it comes to voting.
 
2013-04-12 12:03:11 PM
What I want to know, is why won't Tony Perkins and Rick Santorum address the rumors that they're gay lovers? Some people say that Santorum's body is so used to his position as catcher, that he can't even ejaculate from penile stimulation anymore, and that on Perkins' wedding night, they had to shave his wife's head and put her in a dark room, so he could pretend she was a man. It's also rumored that this continued for several months, so that he could gradually acclimate himself to pussy. But he still prefers Rick's sweet, sweet man ass. I've heard other things, like how Tony cums hardest when he orders Rick down on his knees, and makes him go ass to mouth. Which also, so the stories go, makes little Ricky splooge like a horse.

I think it's important that they address these rumors, as their silence only confirms everyone's belief that it's all true.
 
2013-04-12 12:04:20 PM

Magorn: vpb: Magorn:

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.

The problem is that they need the rednecks.  The Democrats got a lot of Liberal Republicans and Blacks after they rejected the Southern Democrats.  What will the GOP replace them with?

No matter how much money they get from the wealthy and from special interests, they still need voters.

Well that's the funny thing: Hispanics generally, and the more relgious part of the black community, are natural "cultural Republicans"  and on social issues their belief ally with the GOP's.  Its an indicator of just how badly the GOP has screwed the pooch that they can't get either group to even give them the time of day when  it comes to voting.


I saw on Rachel Maddow a while back that the majority Hispanics are not socially conservative.  Sorry, I don't have a citation of her sources.
 
2013-04-12 12:07:07 PM

LectertheChef: I've heard other things, like how Tony cums hardest when he orders Rick down on his knees, and makes him go ass to mouth.


ATM = Ewwwwww.....
 
2013-04-12 12:08:37 PM

Magorn: vpb: Magorn:

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.

The problem is that they need the rednecks.  The Democrats got a lot of Liberal Republicans and Blacks after they rejected the Southern Democrats.  What will the GOP replace them with?

No matter how much money they get from the wealthy and from special interests, they still need voters.

Well that's the funny thing: Hispanics generally, and the more relgious part of the black community, are natural "cultural Republicans"  and on social issues their belief ally with the GOP's.  Its an indicator of just how badly the GOP has screwed the pooch that they can't get either group to even give them the time of day when  it comes to voting.


That's actually mostly myth. Latinos are the demographic with the highest support of marriage equality. And a majority of blacks voted against Prop 8, so there goes that group too. The assumption that religious equals social conservative is a falsehood, mostly believed because evangelical loudmouths, and the Catholic leadership that sucks up to them make more noise than all the other religious people.
 
2013-04-12 12:09:19 PM

Cythraul: LectertheChef: I've heard other things, like how Tony cums hardest when he orders Rick down on his knees, and makes him go ass to mouth.

ATM = Ewwwwww.....


Hey, I'm just saying what I've heard.
 
2013-04-12 12:09:22 PM
You know, I bet the Republican leadership is secretly hoping for a SCOTUS decision that would legalize gay marriage.  This way they can go the abortion route.  They don't have to actually vote for it or have it passed by a majority.  It riles up the evangelical base with activist judge rhetoric while they quietly lay aside the issue for a few years.    The gay community high on their win will move on to other things and then the Republicans can start the incremental attacks on gay rights all over again.
 
2013-04-12 12:15:25 PM

GAT_00: As I've said plenty of times, there will be no GOP civil war.


Depends what you mean by "civil war." I'd argue it's already happening, in the internal struggle between the social conservatives, the pro-business/libertarian conservatives, and the strong defense conservatives.

Will this lead to the collapse of the GOP? Of course not, it's just a struggle for control of the party's future. The leaders are trying to walk a tightrope, and present themselves as "big tent" without alienating any of the "GOP base." And it's not working, they're pissing off the social conservatives.  Luckily (?) for the GOP, the social conservatives have no where else to go. The GOP is still more friendly to them than the Democrats, and if they splinter off into their own party, they lose all of their power. So the social conservatives will end up taking a back seat in the party platform as a way to keep some degree of relevancy.
 
2013-04-12 12:16:46 PM
 
2013-04-12 12:17:46 PM

ArgusRun: You know, I bet the Republican leadership is secretly hoping for a SCOTUS decision that would legalize gay marriage.  This way they can go the abortion route.  They don't have to actually vote for it or have it passed by a majority.  It riles up the evangelical base with activist judge rhetoric while they quietly lay aside the issue for a few years.    The gay community high on their win will move on to other things and then the Republicans can start the incremental attacks on gay rights all over again.


Oh this is obvious. It's increasingly a losing issue for the GOP, and their leadership knows it. They would LOVE for this to be taken out of their hands. Then they can scream and cry about horrible "activists" judges, and move on to issues that are more politically popular.
 
2013-04-12 12:18:55 PM
Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?
 
2013-04-12 12:22:45 PM

Serious Black: Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?


Where your partner constantly f*cks you in the ass whenever the Mastercard bill comes in.
 
2013-04-12 12:23:36 PM

Serious Black: Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?


Marriages restricted to only butt-sex?
 
2013-04-12 12:30:40 PM
tinyarena: GAT_00: As I've said plenty of times, there will be no GOP civil war.

There were two "Republican" responses to the State of the Union adress this year.
There already is a GOP civil war on.

And there have been at times multiple liberal responses to the SOTU, from the Democrats and from actual liberals.

That doesn't make a civil war.
 
2013-04-12 12:31:16 PM

Serious Black: Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-12 12:33:53 PM

Serious Black: Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?


I suspect this may have to do with the RNC's failure to support Ken Cuccinelli in his war to get all sodomy outlawed in Virginia. Yes, this was intended to include oral between two consenting opposite sex married adults.
 
2013-04-12 12:36:34 PM
Tony Perkis?
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-12 01:07:03 PM
Looks so serious the local Chamber of Commerce cancelled its course for Realtors™ to brush up on helping gay couples get mortgages.
The sad thing is that no one mentioned would have a funeral worth attending, much less even knowing about.
 
2013-04-12 01:18:50 PM
Wait a second... Republicans consider themselves "making nice with gays and lesbians"? Really?
 
2013-04-12 01:20:25 PM
They only want the votes of the self loathing gays.
 
2013-04-12 01:31:30 PM

Cythraul: Magorn: vpb: Magorn:

Trying to have it both ways as the GOP is doing now is a sure recipie for disaster.  They are going to fail in their outreach efforts AND de-energize the religous zealots in one fell swoop, leaving them in an even bigger fix than they are now.

The problem is that they need the rednecks.  The Democrats got a lot of Liberal Republicans and Blacks after they rejected the Southern Democrats.  What will the GOP replace them with?

No matter how much money they get from the wealthy and from special interests, they still need voters.

Well that's the funny thing: Hispanics generally, and the more relgious part of the black community, are natural "cultural Republicans"  and on social issues their belief ally with the GOP's.  Its an indicator of just how badly the GOP has screwed the pooch that they can't get either group to even give them the time of day when  it comes to voting.

I saw on Rachel Maddow a while back that the majority Hispanics are not socially conservative.  Sorry, I don't have a citation of her sources.


I saw it too, She's been mentioning it as often as she can with graphs and everything. something like 68% of hispanics are pro-choice and 56% are pro-gay marriage.
 
2013-04-12 02:04:45 PM
We've said all along-[Priebus] has, I have-that there's nothing wrong with our message. We have a good, strong, positive message. But we need more messengers and we need more people talking about those issues in every community."

As demonstrated by the 2012 elections.
 
2013-04-12 02:07:54 PM

Supes: Serious Black: Oh man, I can't believe I didn't see this originally. Bryan Fischer tweeted yesterday: "Whether GOP even has a future at stake tomorrow. RNC expresses support for sodomy-based marriage, GOP is finished."

What the fark is a sodomy-based marriage?

I suspect this may have to do with the RNC's failure to support Ken Cuccinelli in his war to get all sodomy outlawed in Virginia. Yes, this was intended to include oral between two consenting opposite sex married adults.


Love Republicans on this issue.

"So your party thinks that the state and federal government should have the power to jail a married couple for engaging in oral sex."
 
2013-04-12 02:14:45 PM
FTFA: "...if every single one of us is strong, we're all strong."

Yes.  This is true.

And dumb.
 
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